Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Sirus (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.

Well, one issue is that most of the Gazans had no idea Hamas was going to do this, and had they known they might well not have approved. Most Palestinians living there are just like you and me.

What's your view of 70% of Palestinians allegedly voting and supporting Hamas, Bill? I'm sure that we can apply nuance to the statistic but I'd be interested to know your thoughts?
Also worth noting that the Palestinian authority are said to still pay money to the families of any Hamas fighters killed.

1. I'd like to see a source for that statistic (70%), though of course it might be correct. (But we should all note that 'supporting Hamas' doesn't necessarily mean supporting the extreme Hamas actions of 7 October.)
   HOWEVER—>
   
2. Does the proportion of Palestinians supporting Hamas (whatever the number is) include the million children in Gaza?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Why don't we Canadians surprise attack the Americans and kill a few thousands of them in their beds.
Then cry to the world to not let the US destroy us.

To leave Hamas intact is a deriliction of Israel's defense force.
Leave them be and let them do it again in another ten years? No.
They have to be dismantled at any cost.

Just like all the illegal immigrants all over the western world. They must br rounded up and sent back to their country of origin.

[gini]

i asked google ;Does Palestine have a democracy?
The Palestinian Authority is an authoritarian regime that has not held elections in over 15 years; it has been criticized for human rights abuses, including cracking down on journalists, human rights activists, and dissent against its rule.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... in the smog of war category:

Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says

Firsthand account from a woman who was held hostage by Hamas gunmen differs markedly from the official version of events. Yasmin Porat says her captors treated her ‘humanely’ and that they did not execute hostages. They were only killed when the IDF opened fire

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3cPeRSVgUpQ

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fghF54maONw

Source [includes English translated transcript]

[Bruce G Charlton]

Apparently, from the mainstream media, Biden will visit the war-zone tomorrow. Sounds like a very bad idea, highly risky, and something that could not possibly accomplish any US foreign policy goals...

Unless, maybe, somehow Biden got attacked or even killed.

In which case (obviously!) the US would have No Alternative but to go to war against... whoever they say is responsible.


When it comes to detecting false flags; forewarned is forearmed.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Sirus (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.

Well, one issue is that most of the Gazans had no idea Hamas was going to do this, and had they known they might well not have approved. Most Palestinians living there are just like you and me.

What's your view of 70% of Palestinians allegedly voting and supporting Hamas, Bill? I'm sure that we can apply nuance to the statistic but I'd be interested to know your thoughts?
Also worth noting that the Palestinian authority are said to still pay money to the families of any Hamas fighters killed.

1. I'd like to see a source for that statistic (70%), though of course it might be correct. (But we should all note that 'supporting Hamas' doesn't necessarily mean supporting the extreme Hamas actions of 7 October.)
   HOWEVER—>
   
2. Does the proportion of Palestinians supporting Hamas (whatever the number is) include the million children in Gaza?

I would "guess" that 70% is rather accurate and even possibly a conservative estimate. Not so much for 100% supporting Hamas, but for the supporting the same type of ideology to a large degree that fuels Hamas.
Their children are indoctrinated, brainwashed, conditioned, or whatever you want to call it to hate and kill the jews. Then they grow up and become jew hating adults, it's an ugly cycle.

We are seeing a similar stage/type of hate being indoctrinated/conditioned/pounded into the minds of the children/young here in the US (and elsewhere in the west); to hate and want their ideologies to rule supreme and want all others silenced or even in some instances, eliminated.

Everyone must choose a side or else seems to be the theme of the century! It's been going on forever to some degree, but now it is escalating beyond belief.

The mixing of cultures and such extreme differing ideologies in the last decade or so was a really bad idea in my opinion and it will NOT turn out good. We are seeing it more and more every day that this whole ridiculous migration experiment is coming unglued and exploding.

The whole Israeli/Palestinian ordeal is just the tip of the iceberg, we are about to see this clash of ideologies and culture go bloody on a global scale.

Just as the Palestinians and Israelis say now, that they have no place to go, that's what people will be saying on a global scale soon. It's not going to turn out good for anyone.

ADDED: Planet is Earth is quickly becoming a huge insane asylum!

[Ernie Nemeth]

It is called victim mentality.

You know, the kind that allowed George Floyd protestors to burn down cities and still to this day occupy parts of downtowns in cities near you.

[Bruce G Charlton]

"Everyone must choose a side or else seems to be the theme of the century! It's been going on forever to some degree, but now it is escalating beyond belief."

Indeed!

In this case (and unlike the NATO v Russia war), IMO neither side is overall on the side of good (as I understand good).

Indeed in this current conflict there are not even two sides - since the initial triggering event seems very likely to be a collusion between elements of both 'sides' - presumably operating under ultimate influence from those of global Establishment who plainly desire maximum escalation of the situation to an international, and far more destructive, war.

Furthermore; the fact that this issue divides even the mainstream of socio-politics (e.g. in the UK, major newspaper headlines are divided in their apparent sympathies) is evidence that this conflict may lead not only to between-nations war, but to within-nation violent civil conflict, maybe even something like civil wars?

I am increasingly convinced that sheer, spiteful, human-hating destruction is becoming the primary goal of the most powerful current rulers of this world.

[ExomatrixTV]

• Leaked Footage of PM Netanyahu Encouraging Israeli Settlers to Create Fear:

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v3m9jhz/?pub=ir01b

[Ernie Nemeth]

One last one then I'll let it be.

Palestinians want their own homeland.
But the western countries should not enjoy the same? We have to be inundated by fireignors we have nothing in common with? It could even be argued that western countries were established for the direct purpose of keeping certain types out for various reasons.

[Inversion]

Juan O Savin points the finger at the UK, the bankers and bloodlines in Europe for the actions in the Middle East. He said, "Who stands to gain?" He also said, "What is the largest country in the world?" The answer is the British Commonwealth.

The Rumble video can't be located on their site which is a reoccurring theme with some of her videos. I can't get the video code, so here's the link to Kerry's site: video running time 14:39

Update: see post#577 for a link to the full video.

[Sirus]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Sirus (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Hamas attacked civilians directly.
Killing hundreds of citizens.
gunned down in their homes
in their cars
while dancing
while klinging to their children
hundreds taken back to Gaza as human shields

The Gazans chose their lot.

Well, one issue is that most of the Gazans had no idea Hamas was going to do this, and had they known they might well not have approved. Most Palestinians living there are just like you and me.

What's your view of 70% of Palestinians allegedly voting and supporting Hamas, Bill? I'm sure that we can apply nuance to the statistic but I'd be interested to know your thoughts?
Also worth noting that the Palestinian authority are said to still pay money to the families of any Hamas fighters killed.

1. I'd like to see a source for that statistic (70%), though of course it might be correct. (But we should all note that 'supporting Hamas' doesn't necessarily mean supporting the extreme Hamas actions of 7 October.)
   HOWEVER—>
   
2. Does the proportion of Palestinians supporting Hamas (whatever the number is) include the million children in Gaza?

Thanks for the swift response Bill.
1. Two notable statistics I'd found was that :"...86% of Palestinians endorsed violence against Israelis and support for Hamas had risen to 17%"

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...page&q&f=false
P.105

And that they got 46% of the vote when they were elected 2006. (Quite a big drop form the 70% I mentioned above and have seen posted about online..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006...ative_election

I can imagine that support has changed since Hamas was kicked out of the West Bank and I hope and pray that the Gazans have seen sense and dropped their support completely.

2. Absolutely not. The children always pay for the sins of the older generations and it needs to stop.
I've been so angry since this all kicked off and find myself torn between wanting an immediate ceasefire but the angry part of me knows that Hamas must be killed. Every soldier should be executed and what happened last week should never happen again.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... much less what one sees... the foke of war:

Is Israel's Iron Dome Defense System a hoax? You may be surprised what you discover in this video. Again, as always, look closely and do not accept what any government or parasite media outlet is telling you. (14 minutes, 52 seconds)

https://t.me/davidavocadowolfe/109793

What's documented in the video is exactly the first impression I got when watching the alleged Hamas' rocket attacks coupled with control demolitions of buildings from other times and places: dull fireworks duds!

[syrwong]

I am surprised that both 911 and this "Israel's 911" are both obvious false flags but the responses of the alternative media are so different . This is even bigger as it will lead to war with all Islamic nations. While 22 years ago the alternative cry of conspiracy was very loud, and well made documentaries like "Loose change" and written articles on the internet were so abundant and powerful, this false flag appeared to be much more successful with only little resistance from the "alternative media". I see no well argued videos or articles giving convincing arguments that the "official/main stream story" must be a lie. Only in a few interviews that the interviewees gave some good points. In other words I could not easily collect the arguments that it must be a conspiracy, if not a false flag. This shows the control of media is getting perfect for the cabals, fewer people are willing to speak the truth, and most people in the world accept the narratives more absurd than 911.

Silence appears to be the word for the tribulations to come. Silent victims and silent media.

[meat suit]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
Apparently, from the mainstream media, Biden will visit the war-zone tomorrow. Sounds like a very bad idea, highly risky, and something that could not possibly accomplish any US foreign policy goals...

Unless, maybe, somehow Biden got attacked or even killed.

In which case (obviously!) the US would have No Alternative but to go to war against... whoever they say is responsible.


When it comes to detecting false flags; forewarned is forearmed.

This is spinning me out... Jeez , what if they have kept Biden in the game for exactly that reason....
The mind boggles ...

[pyrangello]

All those who question the unimaginable savagery of the Hamas attack against Israel must read the words of these forensic scientists struggling to identify the 297 bodies so brutalised as to be unrecognisable

Bodies are being identified at Israel's National Centre of Forensic Medicine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fy-bodies.html

I didnt know if this got posted yet on this topic, very tough read , from 2002 to 2012 I managed repossessed homes, It awakened me to the fact that there are those that dont deserve to have a house, pets or children as they lived liked total pigs and cared for nothing . It was a small percentage of homes like that but still. After reading this article it awakened those thoughts and moved right straight to the bottom of the gates of hell. There are beings here on earth that should not be here period. I pray for those lost and pray for these people who are the caretakers of the lost......................... Nothing else to be said

[SilentFeathers]

Biden to visit Israel as Gaza humanitarian crisis worsens
U.S. President Joe Biden will visit Israel on Wednesday to show support for its war on Hamas

This really has me scratching my head....

Why would this be announced worldwide that the President of the US is flying in to such a tense, dangerous, and unpredictable hot war zone? This makes no sense and is rather stupid in my opinion.

What purpose does this serve for him to even go there? They say he's also going to Jordan but I think everyone has pretty much made their case for where they stand on this issue. I think it's a bit late to even try to bribe or threaten the King of Jordan.

This could be a huge mistake for Biden's handlers to allow this visit; especially if Biden mumbles and stumbles like he normally does. (he's going to be pretty tired and worn out after that long plane trip!)

Yet, nothing is as it seems to be....

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by pyrangello (here)
All those who question the unimaginable savagery of the Hamas attack against Israel must read the words of these forensic scientists struggling to identify the 297 bodies so brutalised as to be unrecognisable

Bodies are being identified at Israel's National Centre of Forensic Medicine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fy-bodies.html

I didnt know if this got posted yet on this topic, very tough read , from 2002 to 2012 I managed repossessed homes, It awakened me to the fact that there are those that dont deserve to have a house, pets or children as they lived liked total pigs and cared for nothing . It was a small percentage of homes like that but still. After reading this article it awakened those thoughts and moved right straight to the bottom of the gates of hell. There are beings here on earth that should not be here period. I pray for those lost and pray for these people who are the caretakers of the lost......................... Nothing else to be said

I’m beginning to think Hamas was created by Israel…

The rest you can connect the dots…

Eric J

[Sue (Ayt)]

Posted by meat suit (here)

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
Apparently, from the mainstream media, Biden will visit the war-zone tomorrow. Sounds like a very bad idea, highly risky, and something that could not possibly accomplish any US foreign policy goals...

Unless, maybe, somehow Biden got attacked or even killed.

In which case (obviously!) the US would have No Alternative but to go to war against... whoever they say is responsible.


When it comes to detecting false flags; forewarned is forearmed.

This is spinning me out... Jeez , what if they have kept Biden in the game for exactly that reason....
The mind boggles ...

That was the very first thought that popped into my mind when I heard that Biden was heading over.
ugh

[FractalEnergy]

Posted by syrwong (here)
I am surprised that both 911 and this "Israel's 911" are both obvious false flags but the responses of the alternative media are so different . This is even bigger as it will lead to war with all Islamic nations. While 22 years ago the alternative cry of conspiracy was very loud, and well made documentaries like "Loose change" and written articles on the internet were so abundant and powerful, this false flag appeared to be much more successful with only little resistance from the "alternative media". I see no well argued videos or articles giving convincing arguments that the "official/main stream story" must be a lie. Only in a few interviews that the interviewees gave some good points. In other words I could not easily collect the arguments that it must be a conspiracy, if not a false flag. This shows the control of media is getting perfect for the cabals, fewer people are willing to speak the truth, and most people in the world accept the narratives more absurd than 911.

Silence appear to be the word for the tribulations to come. Silent victims and mute media.

Very true. Since 9/11, most are now familiar with what a false flag is, and we have now seen it played out many times even prior to 9/11. It's the playbook that they use time and time again.
Redacted reported yesterday that in a 2006 interview with 60 Minutes (which has been removed from YouTube), Netanyahu claimed that the Israeli military were capable of having aircraft in the air in 90 seconds as a response to any attacks. And Israel is about the size of New Jersey (U.S.) It would have taken no time to reach these partygoers, yet hours went by? This is just one of many strange things that happened that day that should give everyone pause, yet if you verbalize it like Charlie Kirk did (who is a staunch pro-Zionist), you get called a holocaust denier. That is also their playbook. Isn't it strange that we can question the U.S. government (rightfully so), yet we cannot question the Israeli government? I see so much talk these days about the cabal's plan to wipe us out because of their belief in eugenics, yet these same people who oppose the idea of eugenics also believe that one group is superior to all others and have a right to torture their neighbor for over 70 years without any repercussions. These Zionist supporters have absolutely no empathy for the Palestinian people. It baffles the mind. I am thankful for voices like Miko Peled, Max Blumenthal, Norman Finklestein, Dan Cohen and Gabor and Aaron Mate, along with many others, who see the truth regardless of their religious roots, and share it with the world. We should always question EVERYTHING and be OK with that.