Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[ExomatrixTV]

• Netanyahu & Biden Invoke Post-9/11 Framework to Advocate New War:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ckRx-IrquXU

• linktr.ee/systemupdate_

[Michel Leclerc]

Replying to your moving stamp and coin Bill.

To all members: have you noticed that the word, the name “Palestine” is there in three languages: in English, in Hebrew, in Arabic (or rather in Arabic, in Hebrew for the right-to-left Semitic readers) on the stamp — in Arabic, English and Hebrew on the coin? The name of the country in Hebrew is Falastinah, not Israel.. ! ..although behind the full name in Hebrew that reads Falastinah, there is a small addition between brackets, which seems be a kind of compressed, seal-like compound set of letters, which may make up the name “Isra’el”.. Maybe the Hebrew-speaking or reading members of PA may be able to clarify what this addition stands for.

Another hint. For my Philosophy and Letters master in the 70s I studied Franz Kafka. During the last 6-7 years of his life (1917-1924) Kafka dreamed of emigrating to.. Palestine, as many of his fellow Jewish friends were doing. In not one of his writings, letters etc. is there a hint of “bringing civilisation to the savages”, let alone conquering the country etc. His, and his friends’ intent was only to get away from what they felt to be a doomed Europe – doomed because it had sent most youngsters of their generation to die amidst mud, rats and gas.

[grapevine]

SLAUGHTERHOUSE 5 - MOATS with George Galloway Ep 283

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HGNbkzhaZq8

Scott Ritter presenting the MOATS show tonight with the emphasis on Palestine.

[norman]

Photojournalist Motaz Azaiza posted these just moments ago, from within Gaza:

https://t.me/georgenews/7421




Jordan's King Abdullah ll on Palestinian refugees:

"I think I can quite strongly speak on behalf of not only Jordan as a nation but of our friends in Egypt: That is a red line, because I think that is the plan by certain of the usual suspects to try and create de facto issues on the ground. No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt."

https://t.me/LauraAbolichannel/47907



BERLIN – Violent clashes broke out tonight during a pro-Palestine protest.

https://t.me/WW3INFO/25898





Moments ago, Hamas targets Tel Aviv

https://t.me/WW3INFO/25897





NEW – Thousands of pro-Palestine protesters outside United States Capitol right now as hundreds gather inside, being arrested.

https://t.me/WW3INFO/25895





https://t.me/WW3INFO/25887

[Sirus]

Where's the protests calling for Hamas to release the hostages? Disgusting and one sided. Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Kuwait kicked many of the Palestinians out of their countries for supposedly causing trouble. Perhaps they can take them back, or at least help the women and children.

The hospital bombing said to have been caused by the IDF turned out to be false at the worst and unverified at best.

The alleged attack on the convoy evacuating North Gaza was also disinformation.

I wonder what else people will choose to believe so long as it fits their anti-Isreal narrative?

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Sirus (here)
Where's the protests calling for Hamas to release the hostages? Disgusting and one sided. Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and Kuwait kicked many of the Palestinians out of their countries for supposedly causing trouble. Perhaps they can take them back, or at least help the women and children.

The hospital bombing said to have been caused by the IDF turned out to be false at the worst and unverified at best.

The alleged attack on the convoy evacuating North Gaza was also disinformation.

I wonder what else people will choose to believe so long as it fits their anti-Isreal narrative?

I'll probably get criticized for saying this, but, so be it.

I don't think many people other than the Israeli population and most of their troops really give a damn about the hostages or even those Israelis that got slaughtered on Oct. 7th. There are some good people across the globe that also care, but many that don't. I'm sure many really do care, but I am so disgusted about all of this it's hard to be positive about anything lately. What I see happening around the globe though really gives me the sense that many don't seem to care about the hostages or the dead from Oct. 7th. More seem now to only just care to what's happening in Gaza.

The upper echelon of the Israeli Gov don't seem to care as they are bombing the hell out of Gaza not knowing if they are collapsing tunnels on hostages or blowing them to bit and pieces.

What's happening in Gaza is horrible, what happened on Oct 7th is horrible, no two sides about it, it's all the same thing....just seen from different perspectives falsely having two meanings.

[ExomatrixTV]

• "This Is Genocide": FULL Interview with Palestine's Ambassador on Israel & Gaza:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qq-VguwZApQ

Independent journalist Richard Medhurst Interviews Salah Abdel Shafi, Ambassador of Palestine to Austria, Slovenia, Croatia and Permanent Observer of the State of Palestine to the UN in Vienna.


About Richard Medhurst: #RichardMedhurst is an independent journalist and commentator. Regular live streams and interviews with popular guests from the Left such as Glenn Greenwald, Mike Figueredo (Humanist Report) and Max Blumenthal (Grayzone). Fluent in English, Arabic, French, German, and having grown up across several continents, Medhurst’s show aims to provide a critical analysis of electoral politics and international affairs from an anti-imperialist viewpoint.

[Bill Ryan]

From The Moon of Alabama, several hours ago:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/wests-pro-israel-position-accelerates-its-loss-of-power.html#more

West's Pro-Israel Position Accelerates its Loss of Power

Western media start to note how their politicians' unwavering support for Israel and Ukraine is diminishing their countries' global standing.

At Naked Capitalism Yves Smith notes the devastating political effects of the Gaza bombing on Biden's foreign policies:

Biden Gets Zelensky Treatment in Middle East as Israel Tries to Escalate

The US, in a continued demonstration of the degree of enbubblement of what passes for its leadership, seems to believe it still has the force and soft power to be able to bully talk its way out of its geopolitical messes. Yet this week we have stunning examples of how critical players in the rest to the world no longer buy what the US is selling. The gap between the American establishment’s connection to reality and facts on the ground has opened up to a yawning chasm as the Arab world, as Jordan cancelled a Biden summit with its King Abduallah II plus PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi in response to Israel’s shelling of Al-Ahli Arab hospital. Not only are they rejecting the attempt to shift blame for the attack to Hamas (we’ll soon address the “rogue shell” claim), but also the bigger pretense behind that, that the US is incapable of, as opposed to unwilling to, applying the choke chain to Israel. Even the Western media are not much on board with the Israeli and Biden Administration pretense that somehow Hamas dunnit, when Israel has been trying to herd Palestinians out of northern Gaza and specifically attempted to order the evacuation of the hospital. Oh, and this follows Israel ordering the UN to evacuate from Gaza in 24 hours and then shelling its warehouse there: ...

Israel bombed, probably with a U.S. made Hellfire missile, the courtyard of the Baptist al-Ahli Arab hospital where thousands had sought refuge. A short video of the immediate aftermath shows several dozens if not hundreds of dead and wounded. Doctors later held a press conference while standing among some of the casualties.

Like other hospitals al-Ahli Arab had been told by Israel to evacuate but could not do so as there are no other places where the sick and wounded, including many intensive care cases, could be cared for.

Three days earlier, notes the UN, the same hospital had, like others, already been bombed:

14 October 2023: In Gaza city city and governorate, Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by Israeli airstrikes, partially damaging two floors and damaging the ultrasound and mammography room. Four people were injured. Sources: Al Jazeera V and Personal Communication

To then claim, as Biden did, that 'the other team' was responsible for the attack is unfathomable.

It was also way too late says a RUSI fellow:

Going to repeat this as the situation has moved more in the past 16 hours than in the previous week. The plates have shifted, radically. The window for Israeli operations has shrunk from more than a month, to a few days...if at all.
That is now the reality of where we stand.

No country besides the U.S. and a few Europeans will ever defend such barbarity. They will simply stop listen to what the 'west' has to say.

The Financial Times quotes a G7-official who struggles with this global divide:

Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine (archived)

Western support for Israel’s assault on Gaza has poisoned efforts to build consensus with significant developing countries on condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine, officials and diplomats have warned. The reaction to the October 7 attack on Israel by Islamist militant group Hamas and to Israel’s vow to hit back against Gaza has undone months of work to paint Moscow as a global pariah for breaching international law, they said, exposing the US, EU and their allies to charges of hypocrisy.
In the flurry of emergency diplomatic visits, video conferences and calls, western officials have been accused of failing to defend the interests of 2.3mn Palestinians in their rush to condemn the Hamas attack and support Israel.
...
The backlash had solidified entrenched positions in the developing world on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, officials said. They warned that this could derail future diplomatic efforts on Ukraine.
“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”
...
Some American diplomats are privately concerned that the Biden administration’s response has failed to acknowledge how its broad support of Israel can alienate much of the Global South.

Looking at the current BRI anniversary meeting of some 140 states in Beijing, the New York Times voices similar concerns:

New Global Divisions on View as Biden Goes to Israel and Putin to China

Russia and China are siding with a Palestinian people seeking liberation and self-determination, while in Washington’s eyes, they themselves deny those same possibilities to the Ukrainians, the Tibetans, the Uyghurs and even to the Taiwanese. But in their reluctance to blame Hamas and effort to associate themselves with the Palestinian cause, both Russia and China are appealing to a wider sentiment in the so-called Global South — and in large parts of Europe, too. For them, it is Israel that is conducting a colonialist policy by its occupation of the West Bank, its encouragement of Jewish settlers on Palestinian land and its isolation of the 2.3 million people of Gaza, who are subjected even in normal times to sharp restrictions on their freedoms.
The Global South, a term for developing nations, is a vital area of the new competition between the West and the Chinese-Russian alternative, said Hanna Notte, the director of a Eurasia program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies.
From the point of view of many in the Global South, she said, “the United States fights Russia, the occupier of Ukraine, but when it comes to Israel, the U.S. is on the side of the occupier, and Russia taps into that.”

The editorial board of the Washington Post also declares the failure of U.S. policies:

It would be a moral and strategic mistake to ignore Gaza’s plight

Still, the plight of Gazans has been treated by the United States and the wider international community as a sad but immutable fact in an irresolvable conflict. This was a moral and strategic error, helping promote the instability that has, for now, wrecked efforts on the part of Israel, the United States and Arab states to build a durable diplomatic settlement among the region’s big players.

The Carnegie Council explains how the global rift necessitates a change in western policies. It especially sees a need to ditch the so called "value-" or "rules-based-order" policies:

A Requiem for the Rules-Based Order

The Case for Value-Neutral Ethics in International Relations

Regardless of how it eventually concludes, the Russo-Ukrainian War represents a seismic event signaling profound changes in the global landscape. The unipolar era is at its end, major countries are more concerned with their cultural sovereignty and strategic autonomy than they have been in decades, and it seems inevitable that the once-dominant Western hegemony must gradually yield to a more diverse and multipolar system. The period following World War II witnessed the ascendancy of the United States and its allies as architects of a new international order premised on the institutionalization of Western values such as democracy and human rights. This Western-centric approach to global governance—known as the “rules-based order”—has encountered mounting challenges. China's rise, Russia's geopolitical subversiveness, and the growing assertiveness of emerging powers from the Global South have eroded Western dominance. The outcome is a more diverse world, characterized by multiple centers of power coexisting, challenging any single ideology or set of substantive values.
...
Our particular sense of morality in the West should not stop us from aspiring to pursue what’s both wise and right. The evolving international order, characterized by polycentrism and multipolarity, challenges the conventional Western-dominated “rules-based” order. Drawing from Nietzsche's perspective on values, we recognize that values are context-dependent rather than innate, timeless, or universal. Similarly, the decline of our ancien regime does not spell the end of international ethics. If the current transition is understood correctly, it could promise the birth of a new normative system based on a functional, value-neutral, situational, and diplomatic ethic that has its primary concern in managing reciprocal relations between world powers.
Instead of attempting to impose our values on others (no matter how good or true we think they are), we in the West should prioritize engagement with other major powers based on common interests and shared objectives. ...
...
In sum, within the intellectual framework offered by cultural realism, we need an alternative instrumentalist and pragmatic ethic that 1) accepts the realities of power politics and spheres of interest without moralizing and projecting a Manichaean mentality upon the world, and 2) is grounded in principles that are conducive to a pluralist modus vivendi, including mutual and equal recognition, statesmanship, non-interference, humility, strategic empathy, and open dialogue.

Some might say that the west will never change its behavior but I do not believe that.

The west WILL HAVE TO change its behavior or it will go down into history's graveyard. There is no longer an alternative as the 'rules based order' has proven to be an unsellable dead end.

[Bill Ryan]

I found this interesting. The short video below (18 seconds) compares the hospital bomb with the audio and video of a known JDAM bomb. As best as I can see, any of the relatively small Hamas rockets could NOT have done this. I'm no munitions expert, but many others with expert knowledge seem to be saying the same thing.

HOWEVER — as I posted a few hours ago, it doesn't really matter. The damage is done, literally and figuratively. The extremely extensive, diverse, and potentially powerful Arab world is now united against Israel and the US. That's quite something to have been achieved, however it happened.

The focus now, I think and feel, is on geopolitical response, possible further escalation, the huge dangers that lie like hidden traps everywhere, Biden's awful and embarrassing stumbling and bumbling, and the earnest efforts of Russia, China, Brazil and the UAE for the UN Security Council to formally mandate a ceasefire. And, of course, what's happening to those civilians who are caught up in all this and who are young and/or otherwise completely innocent victims.

Here's the video:

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83947

The text:

No matter how the Israeli side tries to lie about the strike on the hospital, they can no longer hide the facts.
Compare in the video the characteristic sound from the arrival of the American bomb with the JDAM complex.

[Rizotto]

Were there not reports of TWO separate attacks on the Gaza hospital? That might have left two different sets of debris fields/damage/craters?

The reality is, that Isreal has the motivation and a good deal of practice in carrying out attacks that they try to blame on others. Remember the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, and the 9/11 Dancing Israelis Mossad agents. Even Netanyhu himself charmingly admitted that 9/11 was good for Isreal. Who doubts that they had a heavy involvement in 9/11?

The IDF certainly has the technology to drop specialized bombs that may explode above the target, etc. etc. And it's now obvious that the IDF had stand down orders on October 7.

The most worrying aspect is the USA air carrier ships now stationed near Isreal. One of them had been stationed there for a while, as if they had already been anticipating an all-out war in the region. They want war, even as the USA itself is falling apart, a indication they don't care about people, or that the more populations that die the better. Isn't obvious by now that's their end goal. I'll never ceased to be amazed at the servicemen carrying out such orders. Like the Israeli pilots in 1967 who knew very well they were killing USA servicemen of the USS Liberty.

[shaberon]

Posted by Sirus (here)
I don't understand your answer.

Not sure I understand the question:

Why would Hamas tell the truth?


Anglo-Zionism is a lie from the beginning.

That does not put the lie to Arabs or Palestinians.

An event cannot happen these days without numerous English opinions, versions, arguments, and so on. The Islamic sphere is pretty united in one message, at least on this subject. I would say that when the Syrian situation hit, I shut out the Anglo sources, permanently. I have followed what comes from the sources in these foreign countries. I have not found an issue of deceit present there. Instead, most everything English is brain damaging.

I would suggest that because it is possible to quote Sun Tzu, that sometimes Israel confesses deceit, and sometimes false flags are used, that does not determine every single action or statement in the world.

Nor does initial investment in something like Hamas, Taliban, or African state governments, carry any guarantee that they will continue to follow the anticipated return on that investment. They may simply steal it. They may have deceived American politicians in that way.


Jordanians translate to English for us:





Real Jews occupy US Congressional office:





"Palestinian people are not only numbers. It’s time for you to wake up Europe, don’t teach us about human rights," 19-year-old Egyptian student Mahmoud Atif says.



As to our system:

Billionaire venture capitalist and conservative political donor Peter Thiel once famously opined that “capitalist democracy,” is an “oxymoron,” voicing support for neoliberal economic policy at the expense of notions of democracy.


As the United States continues to experience a major institutional crisis, a new survey shows declining support for concepts often claimed to be fundamental values of the country.

The new poll, released this month, shows almost a third of former US President Donald Trump’s supporters agree with the statement that “democracy is no longer a viable system” within the intensely polarized country, and that “America should explore alternative forms of government to ensure stability and progress.” Almost a quarter of President Joe Biden’s supporters endorsed the statement.

47% of Trump supporters think the Democratic Party is “a threat to the American way of life,” while 52% of Biden supporters believe Republicans are. Many Americans (38% of Trump backers and 41% of Biden supporters) even endorsed the long-stigmatized idea of political violence as an acceptable response to prevent supporters of the opposing party from “achieving their goals.”

On the issue of freedom of expression, large numbers of supporters of each candidate also support the regulation or restriction of “views considered discriminatory or offensive:” 47% of Biden supporters think the government should be tasked with this duty, and 35% of Trump supporters do.

I have no idea who those people are. They are stuck in a rut of supporting either one.


Hamas vows to provide proof that Israel struck hospital in Gaza Strip.

Remembering Bill's remark, he said that even if Hamas hit the hospital, it doesn't matter.

Not in terms of the current reputation of the regimes. That already went splat.

The fact of neighbor states telling the Gazans to stay home leaves two possibilities. They are exterminated, in which case US--Israel will be cast off by the world. Or, Israel will be defeated, in which case they will be cast off from the world.


Another example could perhaps be getting arrested. If you cooperate, you will be treated better. If they think you are lying, you will be paved. One time I committed such a heinous felony that the house could have simply been confiscated. I got a ticket. It was a split second decision against attacking the person that approached me, followed by truthful cooperation. It was backed up by SWAT and I could have easily gotten killed. Diplomacy is like that.

Presuming Hamas to be lying for the express purpose of exterminating that population they consist of, is a bit far-reaching, but we can keep this as a technical possibility as the events unfold.

[Paul D.]

This is a screenshot from a twitter thread from Jeff Berwick .He explains in the text .
It's far from the first time The Economist have been used like this as well.

Sorry it's not the sharpest of pictures ,it needs 'clicking on' . I think the main points can be seen though.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... about that disputed rocket/missile, here is some more relevant points:

'Israel' plans on using mass-killing new bombs on Gaza: Hersh

By Al Mayadeen English
Source: Agencies
15 Oct 2023 12:01

Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh claims that a bombing using upgraded JDAMS is planned to occur on Sunday or Monday.

The Israeli occupation is planning an aggression on Gaza using a new version of Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) bombs capable of killing all people within "one-half mile" from the dropping site, US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said on Sunday, citing sources.

Comment:

RockFall · about 4 hours ago

I posted this link two days before the hospital bombing. [Link]
It seems that Mr. Seymour Hersh was right.

Additionally, based on the speed, angle of entry, and the type of explosion, it's known what kind of missile was fired from an aircraft, along with many image comparisons confirm it was a USA-manufactured JDAM. There's no doubt that Israel did it, but they have the audacity and arrogance to accuse the Palestinians of doing it and the presumption that the rest of the world is as foolish and gullible as to believe them. It's what makes you believe you are the supreme race in the known universe

This implies U.S. involvement, which will lead to an escalation throughout the region.

Here's another article about how many international laws Israel has violated. [Link]

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1714816126897598680

https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1714703128564531268

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1714817903088771265

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status...94116628840696

https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status...13044591673603

https://x.com/ArthurM40330824/status...17414829875302

[Paul D.]

A 5 min 54 secs vid. with a weapons expert adding more evidence to the claim that it was a deliberate I.D.F. strike.

US WEAPONS EXPERT DEBUNKS ISRAEL’S DENIAL OF GAZA HOSPITAL MASSACRE

Dylan Griffith, a US Army veteran, contested Israel's assertion that a Palestinian 'misfired rocket' hit the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital, using visual evidence to challenge their account.

[Ravenlocke]

Text:
🇮🇱🇲🇦🇪🇬 Israel evacuated its diplomatic missions from Morocco and Egypt

The Israeli Foreign Ministry evacuated staff from the Israeli embassy in Cairo, Egypt, and from the liaison office in Rabat, Morocco, on October 18 due to protests in support of Palestinians amid the Israel-Hamas war.

Protests have taken place outside of the Israeli missions in Cairo, Rabat, and Amman, Jordan, as well as at other Israeli embassies worldwide.

The demonstrations also denounce the explosion at the Al-Ahli al-Arabi Hospital in Gaza, which killed at least 471 people and wounded 314 others. Palestinian authorities attributed the blast to an Israeli airstrike, which Israeli officials have denied. Investigations of the incident are ongoing.

Israeli authorities have increased security measures at diplomatic missions globally. The evacuation of remaining Israeli diplomatic missions throughout the MENA region is possible in the coming days.

africaintel

https://x.com/dana916/status/1714826778676498886

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Were there not reports of TWO separate attacks on the Gaza hospital? That might have left two different sets of debris fields/damage/craters?

The reality is, that Isreal has the motivation and a good deal of practice in carrying out attacks that they try to blame on others. Remember the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, and the 9/11 Dancing Israelis Mossad agents. Even Netanyhu himself charmingly admitted that 9/11 was good for Isreal. Who doubts that they had a heavy involvement in 9/11?

The IDF certainly has the technology to drop specialized bombs that may explode above the target, etc. etc. And it's now obvious that the IDF had stand down orders on October 7.

The most worrying aspect is the USA air carrier ships now stationed near Isreal. One of them had been stationed there for a while, as if they had already been anticipating an all-out war in the region. They want war, even as the USA itself is falling apart, a indication they don't care about people, or that the more populations that die the better. Isn't obvious by now that's their end goal. I'll never ceased to be amazed at the servicemen carrying out such orders. Like the Israeli pilots in 1967 who knew very well they were killing USA servicemen of the USS Liberty.

The Gaza bombing doesn't matter anymore, "they" told us who did it. Tomorrow something else will happen to shift the focus from it. It's almost always the ones who wrote the script and the director that control the theater.

It's always about the money, humans are expendable. It's looking more and more like the US is desperately trying to keep the dollar propped up. Unfortunately, war seems to be the fastest way to get dollars into circulation and to give the economy, stock market etc. a shot of adrenalin so to speak. I believe the FED is about to start those printing machines up again and put them in overdrive!

My theory, (one of them). If the dollar fails, the US fails, or at best becomes a third world nation. If the US fails who will have Israels back? No one....Without the US military might to back Israel, Israel will likely be annihilated. This one theory of mine alone gives the US and Israel the motive to have orchestrated this whole ordeal to create war. Ugly theory but nothing would surprise me anymore.

[Ravenlocke]

https://x.com/dana916/status/1714818006654530023