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    Borrell: it's pointless to send humanitarian aid to those who will be killed tomorrow Today



    Borrell: it's pointless to send humanitarian aid to those who will be killed tomorrow

    The head of Eurodiplomacy and the champion of the "blooming European garden" made a bloodthirsty statement at a press conference in Barcelona. Borrell commented on the situation in the Gaza Strip and the need to continue humanitarian supplies even amid the IDF's plans to resume military action.

    "We must alleviate the suffering of the civilian population. And to do that, we need to increase humanitarian aid.... But it is pointless to give food to someone who will be killed the next day," the euro-diplomat said.

    Borrel, like many of his Western colleagues, has a hard time keeping his mask on, not showing on camera the true face of a murderous militarist who dreams of the death of all Russians, Palestinians and other nations that prevent NATO and its overseas master from dictating over the world. But sometimes the tongue is faster than the brain, and then another Western politician makes bloodthirsty revelations.

    https://pravda-en.com/world/2023/11/28/200756.html

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    War Is Not Abstracted Anymore

    Pentagon contractor Elon Musk and war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu had a conversation that they broadcast on Twitter during Musk’s apology pilgrimage to Israel in a desperate bid to salvage his public image amid costly accusations of antisemitism.

    The “conversation” was really more of a monologue, with the Israeli leader droning on in his conspicuously American accent while Musk meekly agreed with him on every point. During his lecture, Bibi said something worth highlighting while complaining about the worldwide pro-Palestine protests that have been underway since the beginning of Israel’s ongoing Gaza massacre.

    “We have mass demonstrations,” Netanyahu said at around the 15:55 mark. “Where were these demonstrations when over a million Arabs and Muslims were killed in Syria, in Yemen, many of them starving to death, those who didn’t die in explosions. Where were the demonstrations in London? In Paris? In San Francisco? In Washington? Where are they?”

    “The answer is they don’t care about the Palestinians, they hate Israel,” Netanyahu said. “And they hate Israel because they hate America.”

    You hear this “where were the protests over Yemen and Syria?” talking point over and over again from Israel apologists, the argument essentially being that because few people protested the mass killings in those countries then Israel should get to do a little genocide of its own, as a treat.

    This talking point is stupid for a few reasons, including the way it tends to avoid the inconvenient fact that the bloodshed in both Yemen and Syria was facilitated by US interventionism, just like the bloodshed in Gaza is. The civil war in Syria was only able to occur because the western alliance and its regional partners flooded the nation with weapons given to extremist factions in the hope of toppling Damascus, and Saudi Arabia’s war crimes in Yemen were fully backed by the US and its allies.

    The talking point is also stupid because there are many entirely legitimate reasons the Gaza massacre is getting special attention. In a recent New York Times article titled “Gaza Civilians, Under Israeli Barrage, Are Being Killed at Historic Pace,” Lauren Leatherby explains that Israel’s actions in Gaza are actually quite different from other conflicts this century, killing far more civilians far more rapidly than the wars in places like Syria and Ukraine. Last week the UN’s emergency relief coordinator Martin Griffiths said during a CNN interview that Gaza is the worst humanitarian crisis he’s ever seen, even worse than the Killing Fields in Cambodia. This conflict is being treated differently because it is different.

    Another reason this specific bombing campaign is getting so much more public backlash than others is because the pro-Palestine movement has had generations to build, whereas when the west lays waste to a country using military explosives it’s normally a fast ordeal which moves from manufacturing consent to execution very quickly. By the time people figure out they were lied to about the justifications for a depraved war the empire is usually two or three new wars down the track. The Israel-Palestine issue has been just sitting there for decades, so there’s been time to accumulate popular opposition. Once someone learns about the realities of the Palestinian plight they very seldom abandon their support for it, so every newly-opened pair of eyes stays open on this issue for a lifetime.

    But perhaps the dumbest thing about this talking point is the fact that it ultimately works against the agendas of the people saying it. Israel apologists keep asking “Where were the protests over Yemen and Syria,” and gradually the millions of people who are beginning to wake up to the criminality of the US-centralized power alliance as a result of the Gaza massacre are going to start asking themselves the same question.

    Because the assault on Gaza is so uniquely horrific and is being broadcast onto people’s social media feeds in real time, millions of people around the world are being snapped out of the propaganda-induced coma that has had them consenting to evil war after evil war over the years. People are starting to realize they’ve been deceived about the Israel-Palestine conflict, and they’re starting to wonder what else they’ve been deceived about. Keep asking them “Where were the protests over Yemen and Syria,” and eventually they’re going to start researching those conflicts and learning about their own government’s role in them, and from there it’s only a matter of time before they start asking, “Hey yeah! Where WERE the protests over Yemen and Syria??”

    In a new article for The Guardian titled “The war in Gaza has been an intense lesson in western hypocrisy. It won’t be forgotten,” Nesrine Malik writes that “for the first time that I can think of, western powers are unable to credibly pretend that there is some global system of rules that they uphold. They seem to simply say: there are exceptions, and that’s just the way it is. No, it can’t be explained and yes, it will carry on until it doesn’t at some point, which seems to be when Israeli authorities feel like it.”

    “Part of that inability to reach for convincing narratives about why so many innocent people must die is that events escalated so quickly,” Malik adds. “There was no time to set the pace of the attacks on Gaza, prepare justifications and hope that eventually, when it was all over, time and short attention spans would cover up the toll. Gaza has been a uniquely, inconveniently, intense conflict… The area is so densely populated that the toll of civilians is too high, and evidence for having undermined Hamas’s capabilities, the only possible justification for the casualties, is too low.”

    This is the sort of political moment in which newly-formed critics of the western war machine are being asked to think carefully about why there hasn’t been a robust resistance to their governments’ other criminal actions. Which looks like a nightmare waiting to happen for the propagandists whose job is to manufacture consent for depraved acts of war.

    One thing the empire is about to realize is that the western public has lost all its appetite for war. All the careful sanitising, video-gamifying and propagandizing that has been put in place since Vietnam in order to build a platform of consent for “humanitarian” wars has cratered into nothing over the course of mere weeks.

    You can’t have an up close and personal relationship with the reality of bombs and all the things they do to human flesh and then go back to the way you were ever again. Millions of western eyes have been changed forever.

    “War” is not abstracted any more.

    https://x.com/caitoz/status/1729501437627920417



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    Israeli Tank Gunners Were Ordered To Open Indiscriminate Fire In Kibbutz 28.11.2023

    More and more disclosures indicate that many Israelis who died on October 7 were killed by the Israeli military. Interview with Israeli tank operators revealed orders to open indiscriminate fire in Israeli kibbutz which came under attack by Palestinian militants on October 7.

    The 20-year-old captain, identified only as ‘Karni’, member of the all-female Israeli tank company, told that she was ordered by a “panicked” soldier to open fire on homes in the Holit kibbutz whether they contained civilians or not.

    “The soldier points and tells me, “shoot there — the terrorists are there,”” the captain told, noting that when she asked “are there civilians there?,” her compatriot simply replied, “I don’t know,” and ordered her to “just shoot” a tank round into the buildings anyway. “I fired with my machine gun at a house.”

    According to Israeli reports, ten Israelis were killed in Holit on October 7. The victims did not include children.

    According to the soldiers interviewed, others killed by the tank company in question include supposed Palestinian militants whom they say they crushed to death with their vehicle.

    “My driver spots two terrorists on the road and reports it,” the captain tells her N12 interviewer. When “I tell her to run them over, she simply runs over the terrorists and moves on.”

    Brigadier General Raviv Mahmia admitted that fighting in Kibbutz Holit was a “very complex” task for which the young tankers were “in many ways…not trained to fight.”

    https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-conten...11/isr.mp4?_=1

    https://southfront.press/israeli-tan...-into-kibbutz/

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    Some very terrible statistics.

    Civilian to Combatant Death Ratio in Gaza Higher than Any War EVER


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    I've noticed a lot of ads on Youtube from Zionists, claiming that they are the sole victims in this conflict.

    Last night I took a walk in New York City (the Garment District of Manhattan) and noticed a billboard at street level



    and large banner (about 30 feet high) hanging on the side of a building



    I feel truly sorry for these children and their families, but I also wonder how large a billboard would have to be to show the more than 3000 children killed by the IDF. If the pictures of the children were the same size, it would wrap around the block several times. And unlike the hostage children, the Gazan children are never coming home to their families again.

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    What exactly makes certain prominent people, like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr, Elon Musk suddenly turn around and profess strong condemnation of Hamas and total support for Isreal, even in the face of the numerous and monstrous crimes against humanity Isreal commits on an on-going basis in Palestine. Is it a particularly insidious form of mind-control? Or is it that they can't yet face the fact that the west, in particular USA, are run by Isreali-controlled governments that actively work against their own people? Or because of some severe threats made by Isreal? Blackmail? All of the above?

    Another question is the rumours about the NWO having selected Jerusalem as the upcoming headquarters of world control. If there's any truth to that, why Jerusalem?

    Last question, which I don't like at all to mention, is that Isreal has agreed to release Palestinian prisoners because they plan to soon kill them all in their continued genocidal bombing of Palestinians. (But first Isreal just want their own hostages back.) Will neighbouring muslim countries stop them?

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    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    What exactly makes certain prominent people, like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr, Elon Musk suddenly turn around and profess strong condemnation of Hamas and total support for Israel, even in the face of the numerous and monstrous crimes against humanity Israel commits on an on-going basis in Palestine. Is it a particularly insidious form of mind-control?
    Yes, I do think it may be.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Rizotto (here)
    What exactly makes certain prominent people, like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr, Elon Musk suddenly turn around and profess strong condemnation of Hamas and total support for Israel, even in the face of the numerous and monstrous crimes against humanity Israel commits on an on-going basis in Palestine. Is it a particularly insidious form of mind-control?
    Yes, I do think it may be.
    They never turned around. You are not witnessing an about face by these people. What you see and hear is who they are and have always been.

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    At the very start of this new interview by Judge Napolitano with Col. Douglas Macgregor, Macgregor reports that there's a flotilla of 1000 (a thousand!) Turkish ships on its way to Gaza right now — unarmed, and loaded with humanitarian aid supplies.

    I'd not heard that anywhere else. Can anyone provide more details?
    I found this report in The Times of Israel:
    1,000 boats said set to leave Turkey for Gaza waters in new ‘Freedom Flotilla’

    Reminiscent of infamous 2010 Mavi Marmara protest, large maritime convoy plans to remain in international waters off Ashdod and disrupt sea trade route to Israel

    Approximately 1,000 boats will gather in Turkey on Wednesday before heading toward Gaza in an attempt to break the Israeli blockade and disrupt maritime trade coming into Israel during the war with Hamas, in an apparent repeat of similar attempts from over a decade ago.

    In an interview with Turkish news website Haber7, Volkan Okçu, one of the organizers of the protest, indicated the boats will carry 4,500 people from 40 countries, “including anti-Zionist Jews.”

    Among the 1,000 vessels would be 313 boats filled with Russian activists, and 104 filled with Spanish activists, he said. Only 12 Turkish vessels will join the flotilla, he told Haber7.

    Approximately 1,000 boats will gather in Turkey on Wednesday before heading toward Gaza in an attempt to break the Israeli blockade and disrupt maritime trade coming into Israel during the war with Hamas, in an apparent repeat of similar attempts from over a decade ago.

    In an interview with Turkish news website Haber7, Volkan Okçu, one of the organizers of the protest, indicated the boats will carry 4,500 people from 40 countries, “including anti-Zionist Jews.”

    Among the 1,000 vessels would be 313 boats filled with Russian activists, and 104 filled with Spanish activists, he said. Only 12 Turkish vessels will join the flotilla, he told Haber7.

    Okçu said that the main objective of the operation would be to cause disruption in international waters off the Israeli coast to the maritime trade heading for the port of Ashdod, in order to interrupt the supply of goods to Israel for a week or even up to 10 days.

    The protest action is reminiscent of the attempt by the so-called “Gaza Freedom Flotilla” in May 2010, which tried to breach the maritime blockade on the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, but was intercepted by the Israeli Navy.

    After the convoy refused Israeli Navy orders to reroute to Ashdod, Israeli commandos boarded one of the ships, the Mavi Marmara, which was carrying over 600 passengers. After being met with violent resistance the commandos opened fire, killing 10 Turkish activists. Ten Israeli soldiers were wounded during the attack.

    Following the Mavi Marmara incident, several other flotillas to Gaza were attempted, but largely foiled by Israeli military and diplomatic activities.

    “The Zionist regime seems to have no chance to repeat the Mavi Marmara incident,” the Turkish activist said. “The vessels sail under flags of the US, the UK, Luxembourg, Russian, Germany, Spain, Poland, and many other countries.” The activist noted that luxury boats will also join the flotilla and that participants from Europe and the USA will spend an average of $14,000 to join.

    Okçu vowed that protesters would “strictly follow international rules” and would not carry any weapons, “not even a pocket knife,” so as not to give Israel any “excuse” to intervene.

    Approximately 1,000 boats will gather in Turkey on Wednesday before heading toward Gaza in an attempt to break the Israeli blockade and disrupt maritime trade coming into Israel during the war with Hamas, in an apparent repeat of similar attempts from over a decade ago.

    In an interview with Turkish news website Haber7, Volkan Okçu, one of the organizers of the protest, indicated the boats will carry 4,500 people from 40 countries, “including anti-Zionist Jews.”

    Among the 1,000 vessels would be 313 boats filled with Russian activists, and 104 filled with Spanish activists, he said. Only 12 Turkish vessels will join the flotilla, he told Haber7.

    However, Okçu said in a later tweet that he expected the number of Turkish vessels to be much higher, at least 1,000, and insisted that the initiative is not associated with the Turkish government. He did not explain the discrepancy in numbers.

    The activist indicated to Haber7 that the flotilla is scheduled to leave Turkish coasts on Thursday. The maritime convoy is set to make a first stop in Cyprus before continuing toward the Israeli port of Ashdod. Some participants in the flotilla will also reportedly take their spouses and children on board.

    Okçu said that the main objective of the operation would be to cause disruption in international waters off the Israeli coast to the maritime trade heading for the port of Ashdod, in order to interrupt the supply of goods to Israel for a week or even up to 10 days.

    The protest action is reminiscent of the attempt by the so-called “Gaza Freedom Flotilla” in May 2010, which tried to breach the maritime blockade on the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, but was intercepted by the Israeli Navy.

    After the convoy refused Israeli Navy orders to reroute to Ashdod, Israeli commandos boarded one of the ships, the Mavi Marmara, which was carrying over 600 passengers. After being met with violent resistance the commandos opened fire, killing 10 Turkish activists. Ten Israeli soldiers were wounded during the attack.

    Following the Mavi Marmara incident, several other flotillas to Gaza were attempted, but largely foiled by Israeli military and diplomatic activities.

    “The Zionist regime seems to have no chance to repeat the Mavi Marmara incident,” the Turkish activist said. “The vessels sail under flags of the US, the UK, Luxembourg, Russian, Germany, Spain, Poland, and many other countries.” The activist noted that luxury boats will also join the flotilla and that participants from Europe and the USA will spend an average of $14,000 to join.

    Okçu vowed that protesters would “strictly follow international rules” and would not carry any weapons, “not even a pocket knife,” so as not to give Israel any “excuse” to intervene.

    “The moment we enter Gaza’s territorial waters, [Israeli forces] can only search us,” the activist said, “or tow us to their ports, and impose fines,” but will not be allowed by international law to raid the convoy in international waters, the way they assaulted the Mavi Marmara in 2010. “[Israel] would pay a heavy price for attempting any crazy action against such a large international peace fleet.”
    ~~~

    An update on this, which could be very important. Apparently the flotilla is preparing to set sail from Turkey tomorrow (Wednesday, 29 November). It seems self-evident that this is clearly defiant (and likely provocative) of Israel, which is in a no-win situation here.

    Israel will face a storm of criticism if they try to stop or take military action against the flotilla, which would be pretty hard to do anyway if there really are 1000 ships. And assuming those ships reach Gaza, they have to be carrying a very large amount of aid — presumably medical supplies, fuel, food and water. It's potentially all a major development.
    ~~~

    And another update. It seems that both the size and imminent departure of the flotilla may have been significantly exaggerated. (I do hope that's not the case. I'm simply reporting this Sputnik article, that was published 5 hours ago.)

    I've emphasized the key parts in red.
    New Gaza Aid Flotilla Attempts to Break Israeli Siege

    The US has backed Israel to the hilt in its latest conflict with the occupied Palestinian population, with arms supplies and direct support from its armed forces. Medea Benjamin, co-founder of the women's peace campaign Code Pink, said Washington only paid lip-service to the Middle East peace process.

    A veteran US peace campaigner has told of the latest attempt by citizens to break the Israeli siege of the Gaza Strip.

    The four-day ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinian Hamas movement, brokered by Qatar, was extended for two more days on Monday.

    The death toll in the tiny Palestinian enclave after almost two months of Israeli bombing and ground incursions has reached 16,000, according to the Palestinian Authority, with 35,000 wounded and 6,000 still missing under the rubble. Gaza's 2.3 million inhabitants have been subjected to a total siege by Israel, which has cut off supplies of electricity, running water, food, fuel and medicine.

    Code Pink co-founder Medea Benjamin told Sputnik that media reports of a flotilla of 1,000 small craft heading from Turkiye to Gaza were exaggerated.
    "I wish there were a thousand boats ready to try to break the siege," Benjamin said, explaining that she had just returned from a meeting in Istanbul of a new group called the International Campaign to Save Gaza. "It includes people who have been involved in these Freedom Flotillas for years, both from Europe, the United States, as well as the Mavi Marmara people."
    The Turkish passenger ship MV Mavi Marmara was part of the original Gaza Freedom Flotilla in May 2010 which attempted to deliver aid to the strip, 16 months after Israel's Operation Cast Lead bombing and ground invasion. Israeli commandos on helicopters forcibly boarded the vessel and others, shooting dead nine people on board and fatally wounding a tenth.

    "There is now a Mavi Marmara Foundation run by the sons of some of the people who were murdered on that ship, and they're part of this coalition," Benjamin explained. "The idea is to have two large cargo ships and then some passenger ships. And we're even talking about maybe a women's boat."

    She said the new flotilla would set sail as soon as the organizers could raise enough funds, which she expected to take one or two months.

    The aim of the voyage would be not only to deliver large quantities of humanitarian aid, but also to show that "Israel should not be allowed to control Gaza by land, by air and by sea."

    The peace activist lamented that US leaders were eager to support Israel in any conflict with its neighbors while only paying lip-service to the peace process with Palestine.
    "Our politicians keep talking about 'two-state solution'," Benjamin said. But "Not only do they allow for Israel to continue with the constant settlements that make the land unavailable in the West Bank, but also they refuse to have Gaza have any control or any of this infrastructure... that would be absolutely critical for any kind of state to exist."

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    https://x.com/MayadeenEnglish/status...23216061112555



    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/...e-east-buildup

    Pentagon admits it has no funds left for Middle East buildup

    Since the United States has been aiding "Israel" in its relentless manic aggression on Gaza after October 7, the Defense Department has dispatched an extra aircraft carrier strike group, air defenses, fighter jets, and hundreds of troops to the Middle East in an effort to prevent the situation from escalating into a regional war. However, according to Politico, the main problem in this framework is congressional dysfunction, which means that the Pentagon is unable to fund the buildup.

    The federal government's temporary financing happens to include the military as well, and this freezes expenditure at the same levels as the previous year. Because the personnel transfers in the Middle East were unplanned, the Pentagon was forced to draw funds from existing operations and maintenance accounts, according to DOD spokesperson Chris Sherwood. President Joe Biden approved a temporary bill last month to keep the government operational until the end of the fiscal year.

    According to Sherwood, this means drills and deployments scheduled for the year will have less funding, and some contractual payments may be delayed.

    He detailed that “neither the basic budget proposal nor the fiscal year 2024 supplemental request contained financing for US-Israel missions," adding, "We're taking it out of hide."

    The buildup has included prolonging the presence of the Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group off the coast of "Israel" and has forced military departments and US Central Command to reassess the requirements for current and future operations based on the developing conflict, he added.

    Read more: US Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group enter Gulf waters: CENTCOM

    As of Tuesday afternoon, the Department of Defense stated that it was still working on issuing an estimate of the entire cost of US support for "Israel's" war on Gaza.

    Every year, Pentagon officials warn about the impact of temporary budget measures on military preparedness. Operating under a temporary measure restricts the agency from initiating new programs or spending more than the previous year's budget.

    The DOD is extra strained now with the US funding two wars at once. Ukraine's and "Israel's".

    During a Washington event, Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks expressed that this comes with "significant consequence", saying, "[You] can't buy back the time. You just can't."

    Congress faces hurdles in push for aid package to Ukraine, 'Israel'

    Congress is working toward passing a foreign aid package by the year's end to provide essential assistance to key US proxies, including "Israel" and Ukraine, according to lawmakers.

    With only three weeks left on the legislative calendar to craft a bipartisan deal, many question the members' capacity to achieve their goal.

    In the past, President Joe Biden's emergency request for foreign aid has encountered obstacles in the House and Senate regarding how to proceed.

    Both houses are currently entangled in disputes over matters such as "Israel's" war on Gaza, identifying funding sources for the requested aid, and addressing immigration reform. A clear path to an agreement has yet to emerge.

    "These are very tough and delicate negotiations," Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Fla., a senior member of the House Appropriations Committee, told reporters on Nov. 15 before the House went home for the Thanksgiving holiday. Diaz-Balart acknowledged the existence of "bipartisan support" for certain aspects of Biden's request but emphasized that "the devil's in the details."

    A bipartisan bill focused solely on aid for "Israel" has come to a standstill, in part owing to the inclusion of an offset provision by House Republicans, led by Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., which proposes funding the assistance by making cuts to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) budget - a proposition met with resistance from Democrats.

    On the other hand, assistance to Ukraine has experienced waning support among Republicans. Several GOP lawmakers have tied aid to Ukraine to the issue of immigration reform, a longstanding policy challenge that Congress has grappled with for over a decade. The White House maintains that addressing immigration reform should be handled through standalone legislation.

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    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/...from-israeli-p

    Palestinian Resistance liberates 30 prisoners from Israeli prisons

    This comes after al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the Hamas Resistance movement, and al-Quds Brigades, the military wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad movement, revealed Tuesday that they handed over a new batch of Israeli captives in Gaza to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

    The original agreement stipulated the liberation of 150 Palestinians in exchange for the Resistance releasing 50 Israeli captives.

    Meanwhile, the entity continues its aggression campaign against the families of the released prisoners amid Israeli reports that the truce represents a failure to the occupation and an achievement for the Resistance, storming their homes and preventing them from celebrating the return of their loved ones, in addition to threatening them against showing any signs of festivities.

    Israeli media reported that as the truce continues, there are talks that it might be upheld for a couple extra days.

    Israeli Channel security affairs correspondent Amir Bar Shalom said there were talks about extending the truce for two more days, for a total of eight, with speculation that it might be extended for another two, for a grand total of 10 days.

    "Israeli officials speculate the truce might be extended for two more days" so that more captives would be released, "and the fighting will resume on the weekend," Israeli media said.

    "There is pressure from Qatar to go ahead with a large-scale, comprehensive prisoner swap for a long-term ceasefire and a postponement of a maneuver south of Wadi Gaza," the media reports added.

    However, a truce does not mean a complete cessation of hostilities, at least not for the Israeli occupation forces. Israeli forces targeted a group of civilians on the first day of the humanitarian ceasefire as they attempted to return from the southern to the northern Gaza Strip, resulting in the martyrdom of two and the injury of others.

    In a press release, the Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS) reported that Israeli occupation forces attacked two farmers who were working on their land east of the al-Maghazi camp. This incident led to the martyrdom of one farmer and the injury of the other.

    On the third day of the temporary ceasefire, seven Palestinians were injured by Israeli occupation forces' gunfire in the vicinity of the al-Quds Hospital in Tel Al-Hawa, west of Gaza City, and the Indonesian Hospital in Beit Lahia, north of the Gaza Strip.

    Numerous violations, according to Hamas top official Osama Hamdan, came in the form of the Israeli occupation going against stipulations regarding the truce, the prisoner swap, and the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza.

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    Reuters captured drone footage over #Gaza before and after "Israel's" aggression on the Strip, revealing a bustling urban scene with children playing and residents going about their daily tasks. Later, the footage depicted a haunting landscape of collapsed buildings and extensive piles of rubble spanning numerous city blocks.

    The pictures filmed before the Israeli aggression show schools, mosques, and churches.

    People are walking in the streets or driving along a tree-lined boulevard. One scene shows people having fun at a water park.

    However, drone footage after the start of the Israeli bombardments shows widespread destruction, with smoking craters and flattened buildings.

    #PalestineGenocide
    #GazaUnderAttack

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    30 Palestinians will embrace freedom today.

    15 #Palestinian women and 15 Palestinian children will be able to see and hug their parents tonight. This is the fifth batch of the prisoners-captives exchange since the truce went into effect on Friday.

    An agreement to extend the truce for two more days was reached yesterday.

    #Palestine
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    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/...--drowns-in-ai

    US announces minimal relief to Gaza as 'Israel' drowns in aid

    The United States announced the sending of 3 planes to Egypt to bring humanitarian aid into Gaza amid the implemented truce.

    The relief comes 52 days too late and is the first of its kind to reach Gaza by the US since the outset of Israeli bombardment that began right after October 7, in which over 15,000 Palestinians were killed.

    US President Joe Biden has claimed that he would use the truce to bring more relief into the Strip and the US Agency for International Development announced that with 1.7 million people displaced and 2.2 million in need of help, "increased humanitarian supplies are essential to saving lives and alleviating suffering for the most vulnerable."

    An additional two planes are scheduled to arrive in the next few days.

    An agreement to extend the truce agreement in return for a prisoner exchange between the Palestinian Resistance and the Israeli occupation, which Egypt and Qatar mediated, was officially reached on Monday evening, Resistance party Hamas said in a statement.

    Chairman of the Egyptian State Information Service, Diaa Rashwan, said today, Tuesday, that 2,812 tons of medical aid 11,427 tons of food, 8,583 tons of water, and 1,048 tons of fuel have entered the Gaza Strip since the onset of the truce.

    However, the current aid being delivered to Gaza is insufficient to make up for the deep deprivation caused by the Israeli blockade on the Strip, UNRWA chief Philippe Lazzarini said on Sunday.

    Earlier, the executive director of the WFP, Cindy McCain, warned that the people of Gaza are face to face with starvation as water and food are “practically non-existent”.

    On Tuesday, the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) Spokesperson James Elder told a press briefing that the entirety of the aid for a population like Gaza's was "not even enough for triage" and urged that the aid needed to multiply.

    Although Washington has rushed to deliver additional American taxpayer dollars to fund "Israel's" genocide campaign in Gaza, it has not used any military equipment to allow aid to flow into Gaza.

    While it fostered the idea that "Israel" was free to "defend itself" by murdering over 6,000 children and killing more than 15,000 Palestinians in total, it was not concerned with their necessary humanitarian aid or beyond harsh living conditions in the least.

    As a matter of fact, an Intercept report revealed that the White House had demanded all limits on weapons and ammunition permissible to "Israel" from US stockpiles be lifted in order to allow it to access even more dangerous weapons to use against Palestinians.

    Not only this, but Biden himself defied staff advice to avoid spreading unconfirmed accusations that Hamas beheaded babies on October 7 during Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, purporting Israeli lies that have led to the targeted hate crimes against Palestinians on his own country's soil.

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    https://qudsnen.co/decomposing-nicu-...cuation-order/

    Decomposing NICU babies found: Red Cross left Gaza babies to die following Israeli evacuation order

    Gaza (QNN)- New footage, released by Al Mashad showed horrible scenes of NICU babies, who were left at Al Naser Hospital in northern Gaza to die following a promise by the Red Cross to evacuate them.

    The horrible scenes show decomposing dead bodies of NICU babies. The dead bodies stayed at the hospital after Israel’s military refused to allow their burial.

    The horrible crime was committed when Israel’s military ordered the evacuation of Al Naser Hospital. The Red Cross promised to evacuate the babies as soon as all patients and displaced citizens leave the hospital.

    “You will watch now horrible scenes in this hospital, showing incubator babies, whom the Israeli military refused to evacuate”, Al Mashhad journalist, Muhammad Baloushah, says in the report.

    “The parents of the babies, according to their testimonies, found themselves obliged to say goodbye to their babies and leave”, he adds.

    The Red Cross promised the families that they would evacuate the babies. However, the Israeli military prevented the evacuation.

    Israel’s military targeted Al Naser Pediatric Hospital two weeks ago and forced all patients, medical crews, and displaced civilians to leave it. The evacuation followed days of direct bombarding of the hospital.

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    BREAKING: As part of the ongoing raid in Jenin, the occupying Israeli army is blocking the entrances to the city's three main hospitals: Jenin Public Hospital, Al-Razi and Ibn Sina hospitals.

    At least one wounded individual has reportedly been arrested as soon as the ambulance transporting him arrived in the entrance to the Jenin Public Hospital, according to witnesses. #WestBank
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    What strikes me is that the inquiry into the nature of the “Hamas killing spree” among “Israeli citizens” is receding from the focus of interest of everybody (the awakening vocal majorities in the West as well as the well-aware critical minorities) in parallel with the turn-around of “key progressives” like Musk and Kennedy Jr. A generation ago, something similar happened with 9/11.

    When a sizeable minority was aware of the fact that it was a false flag the flattening of Iraq was already well under way. As this “Hamas massacre” is a compressed version of 9/11, and because Gaza is smaller than Iraq, the “depth” of the obliteration of the "enemy” can be ascertained more “successfully”.

    The participants in the “Israelical” Wannseekonferenz can be counted on to have 10/7’s false flag nature forgotten soon enough: yes, people are awakening from their dreams when they see real-time Tik-Toks from Gaza, but why would they continue watching those – after all, they were not particularly or lastingly alarmed either when the shredded bodies of Ukraine soldiers were being shown.

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    This is a pretty good 15-minute analysis of Elon Musk's rather worrying trip to Israel, which — OF COURSE — was all about Israel taking steps to reverse their severe losses in the global propaganda war, in which Twitter/X features significantly.

    And if Elon can't see this is why he was invited to Israel, he's not as bright as I thought. But clearly he was emotionally 'softened up' very considerably by all the Israeli propaganda he was shown. He'll get enormous pushback about this, and it'll be important to see if Twitter/X now starts to censor what they may categorize as 'Anti-Israel hate speech'.

    Elon Musk: Propaganda must Stop, Palestinians must be Reeducated to Accept Occupation



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    What's the answer? - what's going to stop them ? ..... I honestly don't know

    The rest of the world.

    It's not going to take World Government, or One World Currency either.

    Some seem to maintain a view that says any and every government is a part of this plan, but I don't believe you can make any kind of a case for that.

    It would be accurate to say it is about a hundred years old and primarily foisted by French and German business magnates, and yes, the fairly new principle was they were not real nationalists, they did not care for borders, preferring internationalism, i. e. the European Union.

    What they were doing was reveling in the breakup of Austria-Hungary.

    Woodrow Wilson insisted it be ruptured, and forbid the Anschluss meaning the union of Austria and Germany. You can remember him for three things, Zionism, the Federal Reserve, and Austria.

    Germany then performed the Anschluss primarily by hiring radicals to blow stuff up.

    Then with respect to Europe, America is more or less replacing Austria.

    That worked, but, whatever may have been the future of it as a hegemon, is finished.

    I would not be too surprised if we go through an equally long period of being the weird, foreign Atlantis that everyone is wary of. For those of us in these countries, I don't really know what to say, but no I don't think world government is going to slip into the hands of those who claimed it would.

    Seeing as how Argentina was crucial for that:

    Javier Milei has decided to convert from Catholicism to Judaism.

    Milei has repeatedly said that he has no intention of boosting relations with Brazil, China and Russia as he does not agree with their policies. However, he also claims that he will not prevent private companies from doing business with these countries. Milei views Israel and the US as Argentina’s priority allies.



    These kinds of handshakes are probably not going to stop, but overall it has reached a glass ceiling.

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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    "To Druid thinkers, whether of ancient times, or modern times, the whole notion of anti-Semitism would have been a logical oxymoron: the Semite is etymologically the one who listens, the people who hear – and Phoenicians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Phoenicians, Hebrews and Arabs were all from this conglomeration of tribal peoples. Their complex ancient mythological stories, partly inherited from their mysterious Sumerian cultural progenitors, in many ways echo the complex pantheons and legends of the Celts and their Druids. Future transpersonal historians will probably discover that Indo-European languages, with all their mythological complexities, and Semitic languages and their own mythological pantheons, are all interconnected and can be jointly traced back to far more ancient Asian, European, Egyptian and African common ancestries - Dr Thomas Clough Daffern, 11th Mount Haemus lecture (2015)

    There are some other examples out there but difficult to find easily

    Yes again in the current example we could say the port cities of Gaza and Eilat were linked since probably at least 2,000 B. C. E. and particularly from Eilat, coastal traders continued at least as far as Kerala, India. It seems to me that King Solomon's "Ships of Tarshish" were a technological upgrade, i. e. large enough to cross the Indian Ocean, which the Indians themselves were doing by 1,200 B. C. E.. And so for example in African Swahili genetics, one can trace an influx of Arab and Indian DNA in this era. The environment in Solomon's time must have been massive.

    It is understandable astrology would become the first science.

    Most of the myth cycles have common elements along with astrology. The Greek ones are at least somewhat identical to Indian. Greek would be native European, like the Druids, and others, yet we find these unnaturally stamped out and replaced by one book. Right now we are reaping a consequence of it.

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