Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

[Mike]

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

To summarize:

1. The woke support Palestine because they view Palestinians as "people of color" and Jews as whites.

Mike that is quite an interesting idea right there. Do you have any proof to back it up? Any statement from "the woke" or tracts they have written? Any proof that these ideas have transferred from one "woke" person and become popular? You are making quite a generalization here, and much of your argument follows from that statement.

Of course it is a well known fact that Israeli Jews are both Ashkenazy (from Poland & Germany) and Sephardic (from the Middle East, Northern Africa and Spain). There are even Ethiopian Jews and Palestinian Jews whose ancestry traces itself back for millenia in the area that is Israel/Palestine.

Just wondering if these is some idea you came up with or if there is documentable, provable evidence that this is a central idea on college campuses?

It's a good question...

In the hierarchy of intersectional woke politics, race sits atop the heap and will earn you the most victim points, followed closely by trans.

In that same hierarchy, whites are always the biggest villain - in particular straight, white males.

It's provable and documentable in just about everything the woke say and do. It provides the impetus for all their actions and utterances. Why would it suddenly be different for this situation in Gaza?

What you've stated about the Jews ancestry may seem obvious to you and the members here, but I think you'd be surprised to discover that most people are ignorant of that, not just the woke. I myself knew there were different tribes, so to speak, but I couldn't have given you that information off the top of my head. I don't think it's well known at all. Fact is, most Americans view Jews as white, the woke included.

Also - and I'm embarrassed I've forgotten to mention this because it might be the most important point - Israel is, symbolically anyway, the west to the woke. Taking down Israel would be an enormous victory symbolically for them, and they wouldn't stop there. They'd ride that momentum right back home to the US, and attempt to use it to finish what they started here.

[Mike]

Posted by Kryztian (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
Chris, haven't you read any of the 8 trillion threads I've written about "woke" and "woke" related topics here? I've defined woke more times than I can count, including at least once here in this thread!

Mike, I've read a lot of your quotes and have found some great observations and also things to disagree with, and while you it is always an enjoyable experience having a debate with you, I also haven't always had the time, energy or clarity of mind. I have also contributed to some of your 8 trillion threads as you may have noticed.

Let's just say I have my own thoughts about what "woke" is. Just a few bullet points on them, which I don't have time to defend, but here are some idea as to where I am coming from:

• "Woke" means a lot of things to people. One could say that the slogan "All Live Matter" that appears in the masthead at the top of this page is "woke". I think having compassion for all people is generally a good idea. I would call this "good woke". I am loathe to use the word "woke" by itself as a negative. But I do think there is truly something I call "problematic woke", where an excessive amount of caring about one problem and lead to a blindness to other problems in the world.
  
  
• "Problematic woke" is a very different problem at different times, whether you are talking about Evergreen University, Minneapolis, Portland. I have lots of thought about the time I spent working in the "woke" Episcopal church and am still trying to pinpoint what the problem is. It is easy to come up with theories about people, but to accurately describe them and their motivations is a lot more difficult.
  
  
• I don't think woke is anything new. But I do think these ideas are being used to manipulate people, and that manipulation occurs on both sides of the woke fence. Best way to escape is to take a chill pill.
  
  
• I don't think I see Marxism/Communism as the basis for what is going on at college campuses at all, however, I did walk around the perimeter of Columbia University and ran into a small brigade of self proclaimed communists and spoke to them briefly.

Posted by Kryztian (here)

The communist protest. If you are under 70 years of age, you get to carry the banners.

I will just say they extremely nice and a few of them looked quite frail, and as best I could tell, there main motivation for being there was because of human decency and outrage at what is happening in Gaza, not because they expected they were going to get commie converts. Didn't talk to them, but they reminded me of my friend Dorothy who died last year at age 92, who had a large marble bust of Lenin in her living room. She was an activist and on rare occasion would spout out some communist jargon, but for the most part, she was active in campaigning against the war in Iraq, against the big developers in our county that were taking away homes from people by eminent domain and against corporations that were polluting the environment and not cleaning it up. If any of those causes are communist then get me a Che Guevara T-shirt.

• Some other "-isms" one might see at work in the student protests are anti-authoritarianism, anarchism, anti-racism (against an Israeli government that takes away land and humans rights from one ethnic group and gives them to another.) I don't think the vast majority of why students are protesting can be boiled down to any one thing except perhaps human decency, and the concern that other people be treated decently. I just don't see how this all boils down to "communism". Perhaps I need to dig out the "Karl Marx Reader" I skimmed over in college.

I've always enjoyed debating with you too

The word "woke" was co-opted by what we currently call the woke. That's typically what Marxists do - they co-opt words, change their meanings, and the general public is none the wiser. That's how they can get away with censoring people, by calling any speech that deviates from the ideology "hate" and "violence". When the average person is presented with those words, or they see them on yahoo news article titles, they're thinking all these poor trans people are enduring hate and violence all the time. They're not - it's just people pushing back against woke activists. Those are just a couple examples of language manipulation and how the woke fool the general public.

But yes, "woke" once meant something else; it was a movement that appeared to genuinely loathe injustice and desire true equality. To be "woke" meant to possess the vision to see these injustices. The word still means that, superficially anyway, but the injustices are largely contrived or at least grossly exaggerated.

Chris, I don't know how you can read this thread and not see Marxism in woke! Members seem to be struggling with that, and it all seems very straightforward to me. Then again, I have to keep reminding myself that I've been a million miles down some rabbit holes that not everyone else has. As I've already said here, the students (most of them anyway) are not aware that they're acting out Marxist ideals. That's the grand deception. The woke mantra - diversity, equity and inclusion - is Marxism by another name. That's how it gets smuggled in.

[Mike]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

• My personal (highly biased) observation that are just my perspectives/experiences with the woke culture:

The same people that insist they are defined by certain new labels (like: "WOKE") THEY created ... are the same people that get "upset" when you ask for more clarification ... Then they act as if you should know "all about it" and not ask "silly questions" nor "having certain assumptions" MEANWHILE they are full of it themselves >>> having unchecked & unchallenged assumptions 24/7

If anyone describes wokism or "woke movement" (a.o. having ties with neo-marxism!) the correct way and is much closer to the truth how they behave/act/think/reason/judge, you will notice they do not like that at all >>> and make it deliberately VAGUE again "acting stupid" ... You are not supposed to "own" their made-up language they control of how language is FLUIDLY used that benefits their agenda, not yours ... So of course they LOVE to change the meaning of words many times over ... then laugh at you if you "feel confused".

So in short: they play the "victim card" when exposed then accuse you of being a: .... <<< fill in the blanks here, mostly accusatory words that ends with "phobe".

Wikipedia quote:

"Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights".

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• Why does wikipedia forget to mention that "climate hysteria" is also part of the woke culture?

quote: "Once this revision within Marxism is understood, understanding Woke ideology becomes easier. The Woke insistence that all political opponents are ultimately fascist, the Woke insistence that their movement is revolutionary and liberationist – especially toward scapegoated minority groups – and the Woke opposition to capitalism reveals its intellectual basis in the neo-Marxism of the post-WWII world.

In the here and now, Woke ideology looks to dismantle all the structures of “hierarchy and power” within the developed capitalist world in order to prevent the rise of militant fascism. The elimination of the hierarchies and power of capitalism, which will fuel the rise of a neo-fascism as capitalism collapses under the weight of its own contradictions and oppression, is the purpose of revolutionary politics. Revolutionary socialist and liberationist politics aims at dismantling all the forces and institutions which would otherwise be used to advance fascism and fascist propaganda". unquote

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Most who are part of the woke-culture have NO CLUE what Neo-Marxism really is but are conditioned to use similar tactics Neo-Marxists have used >>> similar rethoric & group behaviour (collectivism) etc. ... Some of the leading woke-organizers openly promoted (Neo)-Marxism ... That does not mean everybody "must" be neo-Marxists.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Thanks John! You've nailed it there!

Particularly with your second paragraph. When Marxists are directly busted by someone who knows their sh!t, they will often play dumb. When it comes to language for example, they'll revert back to common language if they have to - to mislead the normies or to avoid detection from someone who is on to them - and then go right back to woke'ing the language when it's convenient.

"Defund the police" is one such example. When George Floyd died it was shouted from the rooftops. But when it became a very unpopular slogan, they claimed it was a mostly symbolic sentiment.

Another example: BLM leaders were open Marxists. They also wanted to end the nuclear family. This was all stated on the website in very direct language. When it became unpopular and inconvenient politically, they deleted all that from the website. When the social climate changes, they'll be very open about it once again

Most will deny that "equity" is Marxism, when they damn well know it is. Endless examples..

[Mike]

Folks this is a 30 minute video, explaining why woke is Marxism, by James Lindsay...who far as I'm concerned is the anti-woke Neo. It may be helpful.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y6rk1mYiOAw

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Mike (here)
Folks this is a 30 minute video, explaining why woke is Marxism, by James Lindsay...who far as I'm concerned is the anti-woke Neo. It may be helpful.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y6rk1mYiOAw

already seen it, but:

• Dr. James Lindsay on (Neo)Marxism

"Woke, a Culture War Against Europe"
this conference was organized by the "Identity and Democracy Foundation"
id-foundation.eu and MEP Tom Vandendriessche
at the European Parliament on the 30th of March 2023

00:00 The definition of Equity - "Woke is Maoism with western characteristics". Woke culture's goal of advancing equity in Europe aligns with socialism's definition of equity, which involves administering an economy to equalize shares.
01:11 Woke ideology parallels Maoism, with the belief that it's a form of Marxism, despite arguments claiming otherwise.
02:10 Marxism is a genus of ideological thought, with many different species in this genus
bound together by intersectionality, but the logic is Marxist
03:39 Marxism aims to seize the means of production not just for economic gains but also to shape human identity and societal structures.
04:35 Society produces man = inversion of praxis
08:00 Take out class, put in race: CRT falls out of the hat.
08:33 Critical race theory's call to abolish whiteness parallels Marx's call to abolish private property, seeing whiteness as a form of cultural capital.
10:37 Critical race theory seeks to label and challenge anything deemed racist until control is achieved, much like Marxism's approach to bourgeois control.
11:00 How's Queer Theory Marxist?
11:03 Queer Theory critiques norms established by heterosexuals, aiming to redefine societal norms and identities, aligning with Marxist principles.
12:26 Post-colonial Theory views the West as oppressors and advocates for decolonization, akin to Marxist ideology of overthrowing oppressive systems.
14:03 Cultural Marxism appears (or Western Marxism)
16:25 Herbert Marcuse said the working class is no longer base of the revolution, abandons tje working class and focuses on race, sexuality and culture.
17:34 Marxist thinkers evolved into cultural Marxists, focusing on infiltrating cultural institutions to promote socialist ideals, leading to the emergence of woke ideology.
19:00 They see themselves as nations, evolved to attack the west.
20:07 Mao's tactics of using identity politics, especially among youth, to radicalize and control society mirror modern woke movements' methods.
21:03 'Being white is bad, being white is oppressive'.
22:02 The European Cultural Revolution to destroy western civilization from within
22:25 Woke ideology, influenced by Maoist strategies, aims to dismantle Western civilization from within, leveraging identity-based conflicts and societal vulnerabilities.
24:00 Woke is Marxism evolved to attack the West, Europe is at great risk.
25:42 Europe faces the choice of either giving in to woke provocations or risking overreaction, both of which play into the hands of the ideologues, requiring a principled yet strategic response.
25:56 Woke is an evolved form of Marxism targeting the West, aiming to conquer Europe and impose a future devoid of freedom under the guise of "global citizenship."
26:20 The Goal is to make us global citizens: 17 sustainable goals (SDG) of UN = slavery.
26:53 The concept of "global citizenship" is tied to supporting UN's sustainable development goals, emphasizing responsibilities over rights, akin to a form of slavery.
27:21 The model promoted by woke ideology mirrors China's social credit system and oppression, signaling a future of authoritarian control if not countered effectively.
28:00 I have come to name the enemy!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

• FULL TRANSCRIPT HERE

[Matthew]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by ozmirage (here)
WHAT HAS PALESTINIANS GIVEN TO THE WORLD?
More Palestinians.

What is becoming clear to me is that this is an anti-Israel forum. Hamas are not nice; why isn't that represented more? I don't relate to this thread any more, but I used to.

Matthew, surely you're not saying you support the kind of sentiment expressed there, and had you been a moderator, allowed it to stand?

It raises my eyebrows reading star star star off yes. Not sure about 'letting it stand', it depends on the history of the person. In your case, it's exceptional. Eyebrows still raised. I'm looking in on this, making sense of 'bought in bias'. You're too close to it, it looks like you're not able to detach from the propaganda. It's not a crime, but it is unusual in your case in my individual opinion. Where's the sympathy for Israel? Or are they simply beyond any sympathy? Readers might think I'm taking sides. That's not my intension. Where's the panned out view? What was the intension when they re-invented Isreal? How is their intension unfolding?

[Matthew]

Posted by Mike (here)
...
Sigh...I give up

Please don't be disheartened by my own sigh I give up. Mike, I'm sorry to make you groan. I'm missing detachment from the issues, but I understand - I often get attached to 'one side', but the 'all on the same page', and star star off are warning signs. I'm disheartened, I should probably keep my mouth shut - Please take my words with a pinch of salt, and sorry for bringing the thread down oops

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
...
Sigh...I give up

Please don't be disheartened by my own sigh I give up. Mike, I'm sorry to make you groan. I'm missing detachment from the issues, but I understand - I often get attached to 'one side', but the 'all on the same page', and star star off are warning signs. I'm disheartened, I should probably keep my mouth shut - Please take my words with a pinch of salt, and sorry for bringing the thread down oops

Or you have some fanatic tribalistic side of issues PERCEIVING anything coming from the more centered Avalonians as "extreme" .... just like how radical NeoCons & radical NeoLibs combined perceive anyone who is a Classical Liberal or a Centrist-Conservative as "Far Right".

• I could be wrong here, but it may have some similarities with certain perceptions issues of things we assume to know.
• Again it is just my personal take on it, and I am far from being "flawless".

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Matthew]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
...
Sigh...I give up

Please don't be disheartened by my own sigh I give up. Mike, I'm sorry to make you groan. I'm missing detachment from the issues, but I understand - I often get attached to 'one side', but the 'all on the same page', and star star off are warning signs. I'm disheartened, I should probably keep my mouth shut - Please take my words with a pinch of salt, and sorry for bringing the thread down oops

Or you have some fanatic tribalistic side of issues PERCEIVING anything coming from the more centered Avalonians as "extreme" .... just like how radical NeoCons & radical NeoLibs combined perceive anyone who is a Classical Liberal or a Centrist-Conservative as "Far Right".

• I could be wrong here, but it may have some similarities with certain perceptions issues of things we assume to know.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Awesome, thank you. This is why I love you so much.

But I am keeping better distance than many here

[ExomatrixTV]

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
...
Sigh...I give up

Please don't be disheartened by my own sigh I give up. Mike, I'm sorry to make you groan. I'm missing detachment from the issues, but I understand - I often get attached to 'one side', but the 'all on the same page', and star star off are warning signs. I'm disheartened, I should probably keep my mouth shut - Please take my words with a pinch of salt, and sorry for bringing the thread down oops

Or you have some fanatic tribalistic side of issues PERCEIVING anything coming from the more centered Avalonians as "extreme" .... just like how radical NeoCons & radical NeoLibs combined perceive anyone who is a Classical Liberal or a Centrist-Conservative as "Far Right".

• I could be wrong here, but it may have some similarities with certain perceptions issues of things we assume to know.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

Awesome, thank you. This is why I love you so much.

But I am keeping better distance than many here

No "distance" needed if you are genuinely concerned >>> but being on any (quality) public platform it is obvious you can learn new inisghts that can/may lower your anxiety issues of any kind not only for you but all readers who have similar concerns.

• Have you taken the time to carefully study this 30 min excellent. most brilliant video with James Lindsay? ... It really helps understanding our side much better.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Matthew (here)
Not sure about 'letting it stand', it depends on the history of the person.

ozmirage was also the author of the thread Pardon me, but - - - Ukraine isn't NAZI. One of the other mods was so incensed by this that they petitioned for him to be banned from the forum then and there.

I stood in his defense, explaining my view that if this was indeed a silly statement, then fact-based rebuttals would soon be posted, all good for free speech on the forum — which we do absolutely support. And all the fact-based rebuttals came thick and fast.

The problem is not about a member misunderstanding (or not understanding) what's really happening in the world. That can be forgiven easily and sincerely.

The problem really begins when it's clear that ingrained hatred (that word, which is hard to use as it's been so politicized) is evident. I made the decision myself to ban him because his view was supremacist, dismissive, ugly, anti-human, unChristian and repugnant. I did not want that person in this very sensitive and thoughtful community any more, and I make no apology.

We have two other threads which you might care to contribute to. (I myself decided quite a while back to sit on my hands as best I could, and now barely ever post on them. My own emotions — which are NOT hate-based — are so strong on this matter that I have to control myself very carefully so as not to overly affect or influence others.)

• What is the basis of the Anti-Israel sentiment?
• Should Christians support Israeli military action?

The latter I found particularly interesting, as it had me diving into what Orthodox Judaism really formally stated. (I learned things I hadn't known, and I was shocked. As a Christian yourself, you might be too.)

[Matthew]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
...My own emotions — which are NOT hate-based — are so strong on this matter that I have to control myself very carefully so as not to overly affect or influence others....

I haven't seen you like this. You are influencing others, with 'all on the same page' and star star off. That is not typical. Not sure how the "Pardon me, but - - - Ukraine isn't NAZI." thread is related? I don't really care that he's banned, I'm sure it's the right call.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
...My own emotions — which are NOT hate-based — are so strong on this matter that I have to control myself very carefully so as not to overly affect or influence others....

I haven't seen you like this. You are influencing others, with 'all on the same page' and star star off. That is not typical.

I understand and agree. All I can share, very personally here, is that I'm wrestling with this every day. It's not at all like me (usually!) — but also not like me is that I have literally had several sleepless nights because I've been so aghast and horrified at what is happening.

Normally I'm able to maintain a very high-altitude view about global events. But with many of the political and military actions taken by Israel, I've simply not been able to.

Posted by Matthew (here)
Not sure how the "Pardon me, but - - - Ukraine isn't NAZI." thread is related?

The thread is not related, but you referred to ozmirage's history. I also wanted to share how (a) I'd defended his right to post the thread, as what he presented could be easily refuted, and (b) the mods always try their best to draw a distinction between misunderstandings or incorrect understandings, and aggressive, fixed (yet inappropriate) positions.

Posted by Matthew (here)
But I am keeping better distance than many here

You are indeed, and I do commend you for it.

Here's an interesting reference, which I shared on The Support Thread back in December. I'll copy the whole thing. (If Mashika, wherever she is and if she's still alive, happens to see this now-public post, I'd be very happy indeed. )

~~~

Dear Friends, I don't need support: I'm strong, grounded, stable, self-sufficient, and in good shape, and I have zero personal problems in my simple and healthy life here.

But I felt this might be the best thread to share how I've just now found myself feeling, both last night and early this morning.

I'm angry — angrier than I've been for as long as I can remember — and disturbed. I just posted this on the Israel vs Hamas thread. I had trouble getting to sleep, and got up at 1 am. It's 4 am here now.

Something has changed in my worldview. It feels like a definite shift. I feel I'm no longer a spectator, a dispassionate observer of distant events which I fully understand are real and terrible but which don't affect me personally.

Now I feel involved.

I may have to be careful what I wish for. Not for myself, but for others in the world. It's [probably!] utterly delusional to dare to imagine that I could manifest events elsewhere. But just in case I might accidentally, somehow, do that, I have to sit tightly on my spiritual hands not to wreak a great deal of destruction myself on doubtlessly innocent people.

It's possible that few if any readers might fully comprehend that. But I know that Mashika, if she were here, and who I know has been through and witnessed more hell than she ever shared on the forum, would absolutely understand.

[Harmony]

I don't post on these thread usually because I don't have the background and research on the history it requires, but I watch what I see as things unfold.

What comes to mind is that some members are speaking about different aspects of what they think of as Israel government policies and people born in Israel that are just good people and care about everyone else too. They may believe they would want to protect anyone that is good no matter where they were born or live, just like good people anywhere in the world. They would not want labelling of any kind to put another good person in some kind of lower position.

Others, I thnk are just speaking of the manipulative dark Government practices that are likely a deep dark global entity that hijacks any country or people they wish to for their own benefit. I think some members don’t post in these kind of threads because they feel for all the world populations that get labelled and used as fodder by the manipulators.

People often may be speaking with different difinitions for the words and terms they use. It’s important in my opinion to try and support each others learning, not create division, but come away with a larger view or understanding of how perceptions were made and on what basis.

It seems that most people, like Bill too, see how dreadfully horrific it is to violently hurt others just because they can, with no empathy for the pain and suffering it causes and the consequences will last for many more generations. How is it in this day and age that this is still happening? This is why Project Avalon has been trying to bring to light on many levels what is really going on, otherwise those energy dynamics just keep repeating themselves in different places with a different set of people and the exteme destruction and devolution is the result because the hidden hand is just working several steps ahead of what we perceive. This seems to be all done for the purpose of the few.

It can be so complex, but ultimately the underlying dynamics probably are not. I just don’t want to become like “them”. I wish peace and respect to everyone

[Mike]

Posted by Matthew (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
...
Sigh...I give up

Please don't be disheartened by my own sigh I give up. Mike, I'm sorry to make you groan. I'm missing detachment from the issues, but I understand - I often get attached to 'one side', but the 'all on the same page', and star star off are warning signs. I'm disheartened, I should probably keep my mouth shut - Please take my words with a pinch of salt, and sorry for bringing the thread down oops

No worries Matthew! It's all good.

I was being a little tongue in cheek with my sigh there.

This stuff is a slog. And it can be confusing. I get it. However, once you understand the language these people speak, and their general M.O., it all becomes pretty clear. It just requires a little work in the beginning. And I know that type of work doesn't interest everybody. And I don't blame them! It's mostly unpleasant. I'm a weirdo...I'm never really comfortable unless I'm sufficiently annoyed! So this sort of stuff appeals to a freak like me

@John: thanks for breaking down that Lindsay video! I really should have done that

[Lilyofthestars]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ie3InYIVXF8

I'll just leave this here.. Great interview, very insightful and truthful perspective from a Brown University professor of Holocaust and genocide studies.. I cannot even believe what should be common sense to the entire world, isn't.

I will not have sympathy for a nation that has been keeping over 2 million people essentially in an open air prison for the last few decades; restricting their movements, their travel, their educational opportunities, their ability to do much of anything at all as if they were all criminals who need to monitored.. Nor will I have "sympathy" for a government who knew Oct 7th was going to happen months in advance yet chose to not lift a pinkie finger in order to protect their own people that day. They allowed this to happen in order to have an excuse to begin the ethnic destruction and elimination of an entire culture. I am not scared to say the obvious, I'm sorry everyone else here is.

I will also not have sympathy for a nation that lies, lies, and lies, and which weaponizes Antisemitism and the holocaust in order to maintain control, power, and influence within the international community. A nation who is in bed with the the most corruptible dark cabal forces on earth and has been for a very long time now.

I MIGHT feel sorry for the people of Israel, to be distinguished separate from the genocidal Netanyahu, concerning their loses from 7 months ago IF I hadn't seen so many 100's of pieces of footage of Israeli people saying hideous disgusting things about innocent Palestinians to the point of spitting on anyone who's against this genocide and calling for an end to it. Call it was it is. It is genocide. Anyone who denies that needs to get their head checked. I never knew Israel could be capable of precisely what Hitler did, but here we are. And there are still MILLIONS of people worldwide defending it... Yes, even in Israel. And the US just keeps sending money/weapons.

I hope they enjoy their new port they're currently building where AI-Targeted families, homes, and businesses use to be. It's simply beautiful and so very humane. If they were so interested in "sending aid" they wouldn't be destroying all attempts at it each time it arrives. This port is not about aid and never was.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TUiu6mcgk88

Lastly, Matthew wants to talk about people here "Believing the propaganda"..

Go ahead, call the following facts below propaganda. Meanwhile, I'll just keep laughing, and crying at those who continue to turn the other cheek smugly..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SRgrrYXH4xQ

I also want to say.. All this "Woke" discussion - who honestly cares? [I just realized that was a trick question, apparently every one does]. Woke - not woke. Screw the woke debate. We are all human. To me, regardless of any sociological cultural historical "lessons" on the term (I never really relied on those for truth), I see "woke" as to have one's eyes opened within one's spirit. Does that mean I am "woke" according to society's petty cultural definitions of it? No. Within my own heart on my own terms? Sure.

I never really appreciated the cultural formula of "Well, if you believe this then you must believe that. And if you support this, then you must support that". You (a collective you, not pointing the finger at anyone here) can't expect those you childishly label and attribute "woke" to, to do everything you want them to do because it's "out of character" from what you expected of them. Do people really think they're that masterful at judging the hearts of others? I guess so. It's equally childish/foolish to claim that if "they" follow their own intuition about what is right from wrong, they're merely victims of consuming propaganda and have no idea what's really truthful. The term indeed holds different meaning to everyone... You cannot just white wash an entire group of people into a single label. We are all various shades of light and dark... To me, to be truly awakened is to come to the light fully and stop believing in all the propaganda which constantly divides people.

I remember when the LGBT+ crew in Australia were the first to begin marching against the genocide in Gaza many many months ago. The first thing I saw was all the "Anti woke" mob screaming/yelling that they were full of sh** and were just trying to be "cool" within the "woke" ideological setting of supporting minorities and "brown people". Hogwash. When will human suffering be enough to bring people from the opposing illusory sides, together? The answer appears to be never.

When people transcend the petty "woke" debates and begin looking to their own HEARTS for truth is when they'll truly be "awakened".

[Lilyofthestars]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rv4D7NYg9eo

Equally important update I thought was worth sharing..

[Mike]

Lilyofthestars,

Woke Neo-Marxism is an existential threat. It has worldwide implications. It's foundation is the ideology that created Mao, Stalin. It's responsible for something like 100,000,000 deaths - far more than the one's we currently see in Gaza. It'll recreate the entire catastrophe all over again if it's not stopped. It'll make the current conflict in Gaza look like a tea party.

That's why you and everyone else should care.

It's an ideology that's infiltrated our governments, legacy media, social media, academia, industry, entertainment, and even affinity groups. We're on the precipice of a disaster that very few of us can even imagine.

With the greatest respect, I don't think you understand the threat. I can't make you or anyone else do the deep dive I've done, I can only keep presenting the information and hoping you do. If you or anyone else are interested, I'd suggest starting with the James Lindsay video I've posted and go from there.

[Lilyofthestars]

Posted by Mike (here)
Lilyofthestars,

Woke Neo-Marxism is an existential threat. It has worldwide implications. It's foundation is the ideology that created Mao, Stalin. It's responsible for something like 100,000,000 deaths - far more than the one's we currently see in Gaza. It'll recreate the entire catastrophe all over again if it's not stopped. It'll make the current conflict in Gaza look like a tea party.

That's why you and everyone else should care.

It's an ideology that's infiltrated our governments, legacy media, social media, academia, industry, entertainment, and even affinity groups. We're on the precipice of a disaster that very few of us can even imagine.

With the greatest respect, I don't think you understand the threat. I can't make you or anyone else do the deep dive I've done, I can only keep presenting the information and hoping you do. If you or anyone else are interested, I'd suggest starting with the James Lindsay video I've posted and go from there.

I understand the view point (or rather, that very truthful reality) - I really do Mike. But I also refuse to keep my mind or soul in that box. Everyone should seek to break out of it too or else humanity will never get to the next stage of evolution (in fact I'm certain 95% of it won't in the times ahead). I choose to think larger than that, spiritually. Yes, that dirty word "spirit". But I appreciate you pressing the politics of it all home again and again and again throughout the thread.

This is precisely the problem in my view - breaking everything down into "woke" and "not woke" is the problem. Breaking people into "woke" and "not woke" is too easy.. People's souls are more complex than this. it's this sort of refrained thinking that keeps us all divided. In fact, you just proved my point..

I am grateful for all your perspectives and have said what needed to be said. Whether anyone thinks more deeply on those previous words is up to them, but I won't be defending anything I wrote. I'll let it stand as is. Thanks for being here on Avalon partaking in this discussion. I'm glad we're friends.

[Mike]

Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
Lilyofthestars,

Woke Neo-Marxism is an existential threat. It has worldwide implications. It's foundation is the ideology that created Mao, Stalin. It's responsible for something like 100,000,000 deaths - far more than the one's we currently see in Gaza. It'll recreate the entire catastrophe all over again if it's not stopped. It'll make the current conflict in Gaza look like a tea party.

That's why you and everyone else should care.

It's an ideology that's infiltrated our governments, legacy media, social media, academia, industry, entertainment, and even affinity groups. We're on the precipice of a disaster that very few of us can even imagine.

With the greatest respect, I don't think you understand the threat. I can't make you or anyone else do the deep dive I've done, I can only keep presenting the information and hoping you do. If you or anyone else are interested, I'd suggest starting with the James Lindsay video I've posted and go from there.

I understand the view point - I really do Mike. But I also refuse to keep my mind or soul in that box. Everyone should seek to break out of it too or else humanity will never get to the next stage of evolution (in fact I'm certain 95% of it won't in the times ahead). I choose to think larger than that, spiritually. Yes, that dirty word "spirit". But I appreciate you pressing the politics of it all home again and again and again throughout the thread. This is precisely the problem in my view - it's this sort of refrained thinking that keeps us all divided. In fact, you just proved my point..

I am grateful for all your perspectives and have said what needed to be said. Whether anyone thinks more deeply on those previous words is up to them, but I won't be defending anything I wrote. I'll let it stand as is. Thanks for being here on Avalon partaking in this discussion. I'm glad we're friends.

I think it's a spiritual battle for sure! We're in total agreement on that

I haven't said much about that here because the material is dense and confusing enough, ya know?

It's been nice connecting with you here. I'm glad we're friends too!

As far as the material here: I'd never want anyone to get too bogged down in it, and remain in that box as you put it. These issues are so layered, and a thread can't be about everything all at once. The details have to be sort of picked apart in isolation. The danger of course is that you remain isolated and trapped in that box.

But yeah, I'm far more interested in the spiritual stuff actually. I just think it's important, on a practical level, that everyone know the game that's being played down here in 3D