WW3? Ukraine/US vs. Donbass/Russia

[Ravenlocke]

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https://x.com/MayadeenEnglish/status...71206134214841

[Vicus]

To Be or Not to Be: Daria Dugina’s Vision of the Apocalypse


Daria Aleksandrovna Dugina (15 Dec 1992- 20 Aug 2022)

Dugina spoke of a “sharp apocalyptic feeling of an approaching end,” and she referred to our age as the Kali-Yuga, the final “dark age” in the Hindu cycle.5 When an audience member asked what dissidents could draw from modern culture, Dugina quipped sceptically: “Through modern culture? Which one? Through the culture of object-oriented ontology, cyborgs, and mutants?”

In another talk on post-feminist philosophy, Dugina spoke of the need to “save humankind from approaching death,” and she proceeded to warn of the consequences of the advent of Transhumanism in no uncertain terms: “When the feminine and the masculine are finally abolished and replaced by cyborgs, it will signal the End of the World… Together with the loss of man and women, we will lose being itself.”

In other words, the young woman whose life was heinously taken while driving home one night saw her life – and all of ours – as facing an apocalyptic dusk on the eve of a doomsday-midnight.

According to Daria, the end rushing towards us entails none other than the end of humanity, of humankind as such. The most glaring aspect of this end is the rise of an omnipotent technological matrix in which, in her words, “modern man finds himself under the destructive influence of matter, under the clichés of the consumer society, under the proliferating pressure of technology, which represses him and dictates to him the need to follow its intrusive, alienating algorithms.

The human of the “high-tech” 21st century is a creature that finds itself “thrown into a space in which technology and matter essentially destroy him, in which he loses his axis of rebellion and sovereignty in the face of materiality and illusoriness.

Dugina spent her time thinking with the likes of Negarestani and Morton because she believed – or rather knew – that they represent the thinking and way of (not-)being behind the technological, Transhumanist, “object-oriented” dystopia into which we are dragging and (not-)thinking ourselves into. For probing this territory and philosophical “no-man’s-land,” for naming names and exposing certain ideas, Daria’s philosophical activism posed a real threat.

In a time when we are fixated on screens, plugged into so-called ‘social media’, and bound (“connected”) to forces and signals beyond our wanting and doing, Dugina says there is only one way out for the conscientious human being, the dissident, the authentic thinker: accept the challenge – the fate – of living, thinking, and speaking out, here and now, at this point in time. By so doing, our being reflects and attunes to the same stream of dissidents and thinking in societies, systems, and situations before and elsewhere; we are profoundly human at this last moment when emasculated, thoughtless, clicking-and-scrolling human entities are slated for “troubleshooting.”

Dugina offers a simple but brutal truth as the starting point: “Everyone has their own place in the world, their spiritual Homeland… What is certain is that wherever we find ourselves in the modern world, we are in the centre of hell. It is difficult to see authenticity anywhere. We are cursed. But this is no reason not to rush toward salvation.

We are challenged to seize the opportunity to be radicals in an age of machines, bots, algorithms, and the rise of the non-human and the inhumane.

Vicus comment:

Just a resume from this very interesting post:

https://www.newdawnmagazine.com/arti...the-apocalypse

[Jaak]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
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During a summit on Ukraine, Finland's president complained that Russia had 'invaded' his country during the Second World War and taken 10 per cent of its territory.

Just to remind you, Finland was Hitler's ally in the Second World War, and Russia returned the previously seized territories.

Russia occupied big part of Karelia and i dont think they gave anything back. And that happened before Hitler and Stalin went to war with each other and were pretty much allies during first soviet invasion to Finland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia
Stalin wanted to take over whole Finland and install a puppet government in there.
British and allies were helping Stalin to destroy Finland . What other allies were left for them to fight off extermination ?
Many scandinavians and Estonians helped Finland to fight off the soviet invasion not because they were big fans of fascism or national socialism and wanted to spread it to others in a non-peaceful way but because Stalin was worse than Hitler.
Also Estonians had a defensive pact with Finland .Thats why many fins later went to Estonia to help fight Stalin.

Germans helped private business and private households prosper while under Stalin you were put to massgrave or gulag for having such things. For which side you would fight ?
Sadly too many still believe the zionist version of history that allies were the good guys...
http://www.mourningtheancient.com/index1.htm

[Vicus]

Russia vs. Ukraine...and the Anglo-Americans

In a series of essays written in 2022,

Terry M. Boardman revealed the deeper background

to the Ukraine conflict, which he argues

is actually a proxy war, an episode in a

much longer-lasting war that the West,

or more specifically, the 'Anglosphere',

has been waging against Russia for about 200 years

for both exoteric and esoteric reasons.



The following extract from his new book

"Western Hostility to Russia - The hidden Background to War in Ukraine",

looks at the all-important

spiritual/esoteric dimension of the conflict...


This esoteric aspect has to do with ensuring that the Slavic peoples, and especially the Russians, will not fulfill their potential to become the world's 'vanguard culture' from the mid-fourth millennium onwards, but instead will come under the domination of the English-speaking peoples, whose current 'vanguard' status - which has become overwhelmingly driven by materialistic concerns and ambitions - would otherwise come to an end in the mid-fourth millennium (the end of the Age of Pisces).



What does it mean that the Slavic peoples have the potential to become the world's 'vanguard culture' from the mid-fourth millennium onwards...?

It means that in what Rudolf Steiner called the Age of the Spirit-Self (the Age of Aquarius), which, according to Steiner, will follow the Age of the Consciousness Soul (the Age of Pisces), the human 'I' (the essential self, the spiritual kernel of the human being), in large numbers of individuals, will have learned to see itself and other I's as spiritual beings.

These spiritualized I's will then seek to form new communities on the basis not of the old blood ties or traditional religions but out of their own insight.



The Age of the Spirit-Self (the Age of Aquarius) will be a new age of community, based on empathy for others, an age of brother-and-sisterhood that we in the West today can hardly even conceive of, just as people in Ancient Greece and Rome would hardly have been able to conceive of our modern Western individualist culture.

But we can see foreshadowings of this future today in the remaining traditional communal behaviors of non-Western cultures, although such behavior is instinctive and collective, based on blood ties, whereas in the future (Slavic) epoch of the Spirit-Self it will be based on the moral individualism that will have been won as a result of our current (Germanic) Age of the Consciousness Soul.

The seed of this new impulse to new community, new fraternity, Steiner described, is already there in the Slavic peoples, who not only have the impulse to community - which all eastern peoples too have to a greater or lesser degree in comparison with the more individualistic westerners - but the Slavs also have a Christian culture.



The native Slavic sense of community has been infused with over 1,000 years of an empathic Christian sensibility, which one can see especially in the unfolding, for example, of village life in Russia, the nature of the mir, a word which translates variously as,

community, peace, village, world, cosmos...

Russian and Slavic literature is permeated with this empathic sensibility.

The English-speaking peoples are a branch of the larger Germanic group of peoples that originated in northern Europe (Scandinavia).

From the late fifteenth century onwards, these Germanic peoples gradually replaced the peoples of southern Europe as the arbiters of the destiny of the West.
The southern Europeans of the Greco-Roman or Mediterranean region had been those arbiters since the eighth century BC (the Age of Aries) when Greek culture began to flourish and Rome was founded, but, from the fifteenth century AD onwards, the military, cultural and economic power of the Italian states, Iberia and France (France straddles both south and north) gave way, chronologically, to that of Switzerland, the Netherlands, Sweden and eventually England...

In the following Age of Pisces, from the fifteenth century, the Germanic or northern European epoch, the focus of development is on the individual human will - how human thinking applies the human will and, essentially, how the individual will becomes morally informed and directed by the human 'I'.

This is a very dangerous phase of development, in some ways rather akin to adolescence in an individual's development, because its early stage is usually one of considerable confusion, egocentricity and selfishness as well as materialism, a view of life that results from feeling alienated, to a greater or lesser degree, as an individual from the rest of life and the cosmos.

We are only 600 years into this Germanic or northern European epoch, the Age of the Consciousness Soul, as Rudolf Steiner called it, with its American and Australasian offshoots, and though there have been positive signs of growing human maturity over the past 60 years or so, there is still plenty of evidence of a thoroughly egocentric and competitive, materialistic culture in the West, especially in economic life.

continue: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/s.../russia382.htm

[BMJ]

Just a comment on this the most obvious reason for this would be war with Russia via Ukraine or China via Taiwan ?

But the other factor that needs to be considered and another possibility is that this is due to the COVID jab injures & consequential discharges, retirements due to refusal to take the jab and also the current rainbow recruitment advertisements putting people off joining the US military, thereby leaving the US military undermanned. Time will tell.


BREAKING: House of Representatives Passes Bill for Mandatory Military Registration of Young Men Between 18 and 26

Link: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ill-automatic/

[shaberon]

Posted by Miller (here)
¨Russia is in war with 35 countries¨
This is not strictly true is it? Should be: "Russia is at war with the leaders of 35 countries who don't give a rat's arse about their own countries, let alone any civilians in the world"
What really gets my goat is that they're doing it with our taxes, without our permission and we're powerless to stop them. Voting them out just replenishes the pot and makes no difference. I've never felt more like a Useless Eater than I do now.

With leaders and no shortage of volunteer goons.

So, of course, our psyche is rigged to sneer at you when you realize such Uselessness.

Supremacy insults you every time it breathes.

Not only does the "system" not respond to any moral compass, it inherently "others" and degrades you. My philosophy for quite some time has been, well, there just shouldn't be any such pot where we pretend to choose the hands that stir.


In terms of NATO, no, the Article Five doesn't mean anything specific. This is like saying a country can send you a pile of used tires, and its commitment is fulfilled.

If I understand correctly, in order for it to take any actions, it does so by a Council that is unanimous. It has a general from each of the countries who is sitting in an appointed office. This is unanswerable to anybody.

When the Hive Mind says "Go" then the forces are under an individual Supreme Commander. I believe he has been elected from within and by members of the appointed offices. I am not sure. But it is not quite a case where an attack happens and there is an automatic boomerang of some fielded army.




I notice Stoltenberg calls this a "game" while the indications from Russia is that there may be no such thing as "Ukraine" all the way to Poland. You ought to consider this a negative clock, a timer that you don't know how much is on it, and so if there is realistically any interest in a rump state, you better come up with it quick.

Again, that's giving you a chance to avoid the dire fate, like there was a chance to mend the bruise from the expansion of NATO in the 90s. This stuff is absolutely inexcusable and it's all public.

[shaberon]

Posted by Vicus (here)
“When the feminine and the masculine are finally abolished and replaced by cyborgs, it will signal the End of the World… Together with the loss of man and women, we will lose being itself.”

Interesting that this view was just called "post-feminism".

It's difficult not to agree more. But we should know that English Eugenics specifically blames Industrialization for the un-fitness on young men in 1906. And what we have done is made a big screaming advertisement for it, that disturbs people around the world, and they see through it.

One needs to calibrate one's exposure, put it that way. Losing touch with one's organic being is about like losing the soul.

I tend to take this quite seriously:

Dugina offers a simple but brutal truth as the starting point: “Everyone has their own place in the world, their spiritual Homeland… What is certain is that wherever we find ourselves in the modern world, we are in the centre of hell. It is difficult to see authenticity anywhere. We are cursed. But this is no reason not to rush toward salvation.

I tend to think that "I" don't have an opinion. On most of these matters you can ask either of the Dugins and 90% of whatever it is will be the same. I more or less just forward whatever that may be.

Similarly I saw another journalist use the phrase "It doesn't work". Is he quoting me? I have been saying this ever since Syria. Who is this guy? Interviewing someone else and that is the conclusion they reach?

I don't think it came from "me", and I'm not sure that's an "opinion" either. When you look at what this is, it doesn't work. I think a human being can understand this from a tender age of like five years. I still can't understand the repetition of whatever the G7 is saying, because it doesn't mean anything.

The article on Germanic--Slavic rivalry was pretty similar. This bit is only partially correct:

The English-speaking peoples are a branch of the larger Germanic group of peoples that originated in northern Europe (Scandinavia).

The English language derives from Danish, from the Angles, but the inhabitants of Britain are not themselves originally Germanic. In fact, they were very different.

The main thing that characterizes Germanic culture is belief in the Divine Right of Kings.

That means by birth and through bloodlines, in an absolutist condition. This is the opposite of what I personally perceive the role of a King to be, and, the first English systems were based on an elected monarch. As soon as this turned into a bloodline dispute, the country was seized by the Normans. The alternate claimant was Norwegian. They let a powerful office go up for grabs due to personal relationships.


On a mental basis, the Transhumanism, Neo-Nazism, etc., seem to assert themselves as if by Divine Right.

Diametric opposite of the way it should go.

[Bruce G Charlton]

My take on things, wrt The West's deliberate and sustained strategy of repeatedly crossing Russia's Red Lines.

As usual, I emphasize that it only takes one side to make a war: it only takes The West to make WWIII - because The West can (on its own) create a situation (indeed, already has done so) where Russia's only alternative to war with NATO is to accept its own cultural and religious genocide.

Which so far Russia will not accept. But whether Russia accept genocide or choose war, there are Western leaders who will get what they want from red-line transgression.

I think the Red Line escalations have several layers of justification; and that in particular the (invisible, "occult") highest level of policy control has a different agenda from the middle managers of "geopolitics" who are the national (and UN, EU etc) leaders of whom we are most aware.

The middle managers believe that - rather than engaging in an all-out war with NATO - Russia will sooner or later cave-in to continuing relentless escalations, and will submit to Western takeover.

The occult top-level policy leaders believe that Russia will NOT cave-in and submit, but will go to war to defend their culture and religion. And the top-level people want WWIII, and are actively working to promote it on multiple fronts.

This difference in the meaning of red-line escalation relates to different goals wrt the West based globalist middle manager class. Those who believe that Russia will eventually submit to the New World Order are operating on the basis of their own perceived best self-interest - they want to control the world.

But those who believe Russia will eventually go to war with NATO have an agenda of destruction. Ultimately, they wish to destroy all that is good; but en route they wish to destroy The West, and this is why they are engineering The West into a war, without making any significant preparations for fighting that war - they want NATO to lose. They also want Russia to lose and be destroyed; but the destruction of The West comes first - as we can see from the "Sanctions" which have been and are damaging The West primarily, and keep being increased.

My take-home message (!) is that there are powerful motivations among the Western leadership class that are driving the Ukraine war - and all of these point to continuing the strategy of continual and incremental esccalation with the deliberate crossing of red lines.

Naturally, the Western Globalists care nothing for the Ukraine except as a disposable tool to pursue their agenda (either of totalitarian control or of spiritual-cultural-material destruction), and this attitude applies to all nations.

The destruction of Ukr has already happened, and this annihilation of a large nation is perceived by the Western leadership as a success in its own right, and step in the direction they wish to take; which is why They have no intention of stopping the war - and every intention of sustaining and escalating it.

[Tintin]

New York Times publish Istanbul draft peace treaty (2022) - June 15th 2024

Well, here it is, annotated, although one may prefer to see it in its original form. I'm pretty certain they've not manipulated the text - it appears to be authentic on spec.

Sputnik story: https://sputnikglobe.com/20240615/ny...118975487.html

Library link: https://avalonlibrary.net/Ukraine/20...compressed.pdf

[Jaak]

Russian Nuclear Submarine Detected Near UK Coast Sparks Emergency Meeting

A Russian nuclear submarine was recently spotted off the coast of the United Kingdom, prompting an emergency defense meeting. The incident comes amid escalating tensions between Russia and the West, particularly over the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

The submarine, identified as the Kazan, is a state-of-the-art Yasen-class vessel, capable of carrying cruise missiles and torpedoes. It was detected after an RAF Poseidon P8 anti-submarine aircraft dropped sonar buoys to detect subsurface activity at depth.

The submarine's presence near the UK coast has raised alarm bells among NATO leaders, who fear that it may be probing for weaknesses in the alliance's perimeter. The UK's Permanent Joint Headquarters in Northwood was immediately informed of the situation, and both the Prime Minister and Defence Secretary were briefed on the matter.

This incident comes on the heels of Russian President Vladimir Putin's promise to "punish" the West for providing long-term missiles and a £40 billion loan to Ukraine using frozen Russian assets. The US NATO Ambassador, Julianne Smith, has also indicated a potential policy shift that could allow the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) to target Russian mainland sites.

The Russian submarine's detection near the UK coast has sparked concerns about the potential for a nuclear confrontation between Russia and the West.

[grapevine]

Posted by Tintin (here)
New York Times publish Istanbul draft peace treaty (2022) - June 15th 2024

Well, here it is, annotated, although one may prefer to see it in its original form. I'm pretty certain they've not manipulated the text - it appears to be authentic on spec.

Sputnik story: https://sputnikglobe.com/20240615/ny...118975487.html

Library link: https://avalonlibrary.net/Ukraine/20...compressed.pdf

There's a 404 Not Found on the Library link Tintin

Mod note from Bill:
Many thanks — Library links fixed in this post and the original.

[Vicus]

Work on Kharkov Buffer Zone to Continue Until Russian Regions Safe From Shelling 38 minutes ago

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Work on establishing a buffer zone in the Kharkov region will continue until Russia ensures the safety of its regions from shelling by Ukraine, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Sunday.

"Work is underway to establish a buffer zone, a sanitary zone in the Kharkov region. This work will continue until we secure [the town of] Shebekino, the Belgorod Region, and our other areas from such barbaric shelling. Of course, this work will not stop," Peskov told Rossiya 1 reporter Pavel Zarubin.
Peskov added that Russian President Vladimir Putin's peace initiative would be given due consideration.

"There will be no talk of peace at the Swiss conference itself. There will be no search for a peaceful resolution considering the interests of all parties. Peace will not be discussed there. That is the point. Here, the focus is on President Putin's peace initiative. I have no doubt that it will be given very careful consideration," Peskov said.

Despite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's dismissal of the initiative, there are likely to be "more sober heads who will think twice if it is worth waiting for conditions to deteriorate even further," the Kremlin spokesman said.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240616/wo...118986444.html

Vicus comment:

Why in Creator name still continue to call that jester "President"? don't got the memo? jester mandate has expired!

[Vicus]

BRICS Members Reject Joint Declaration at Swiss Ukraine Conference 3 minutes ago



MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The BRICS countries, as well as several other states that attended the Swiss-hosted summit on Ukraine did not sign a joint declaration on the results of the talks on Sunday, according to the signatory list.

Earlier in the day, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said that the text of the declaration had been finalized and that Kiev's positions had been taken into account.
The list of countries that signed the final declaration was displayed by the organizers on the screens of the press center at the Buergenstock resort where the summit was held. The document was signed by 80 countries out of 91 present, but Armenia, Bahrain, Brazil, the Holy See, India, Indonesia, Libya, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Slovakia, South Africa, Switzerland, Thailand and the United Arab Emirates did not sign it.

The Ukraine conference is taking place this weekend at the Bürgenstock resort near Lucerne. It includes 92 countries and 55 heads of state, as well as eight organizations, including the EU, the Council of Europe, and the UN. However, US President Joe Biden, Chinese President Xi Jinping, Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and leaders of many other countries did not attend. Some participants, such as US Vice President Kamala Harris and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, left early.
Russia was not invited to the summit. The Kremlin commented that trying to find solutions to the Ukrainian conflict without Moscow's involvement is completely illogical and unpromising.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240616/br...118987508.html

[Vicus]

Ukrainian Command Post Erased by Russian Airstrike 1 hour ago

Ukrainian troop positions and military facilities getting “courtesy calls” from Russian combat aircraft has become increasingly commonplace in recent months.

This week, a wing of Russian Su-34 fighter-bomber aircraft hit a Kiev regime forces’ command post in the Ukrainian conflict zone.
The attack was performed using free-fall bombs outfitted with a universal gliding and correction module (a kit that turns an ordinary bomb into a precision-guided munition), while an Su-35S fighter jet provided cover.
The planes performed their bombing run without entering the range of Ukrainian air defenses and managed to return to base without a scratch.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240616/uk...collaboration2

[Vicus]

Zelensky Not Person to Sign Agreements on Ukraine With, It Would Be Illegitimate - Kremlin 3 hours ago



On Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Russia would immediately cease fire and declare its readiness for negotiations with Ukraine after Kiev withdraws troops from the territory of new regions of Russia.

Volodymyr Zelensky is not the right person with whom to fix agreements on Ukraine in writing, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

"This is not the person with whom you can fix agreements in writing, because de jure the agreement would be illegitimate," he said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is not rejecting the possibility of negotiations with Ukraine and notes the legitimate authorities there, Peskov added.

Zelensky came to power in Ukraine under the flag of peace, after the peace initiatives of Russian President Vladimir Putin it will become clear whether Zelensky is ready for anything not to further aggravate the situation, Peskov said.
Peskov said that the situation for the Kiev regime on the front is getting worse.

"Probably, a politician who puts the interests of the homeland above his own, and even above his masters, would think about such a proposal," Peskov said, commenting on the Ukrainian authorities' reaction to Putin's proposal.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240616/ze...collaboration2

[ExomatrixTV]

"If Russia doesn’t agree to our terms we will force them to surrender" Georgia Meloni

Paying attention yet?

[Bill Ryan]

80 countries out of 92 participating agreed to sign the final declaration of the summit in Switzerland.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/113506



Those in attendance not signing the declaration:

• Armenia
• Brazil
• Iran
• India
• Indonesia
• Saudi Arabia
• UAE
• Mexico
• Thailand
• ... and the UN and the Pope.

[Bill Ryan]

I find it almost impossible to believe that Dmitry Medvedev actually said this, but even if it's fake it's great fun to read.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/113496

“This Swiss "livestock yard" is pure surrealism. Kafka and Orwell nervously smoke on the sidelines.

None of the participants of this "peace forum" know what they are doing there or what their role is. After all, for the "resolution of conflict," the cunning Swiss shepherds have only invited trusted animals: a swaggering, sexually aroused mad little boar with his constant companion, a herd of blissfully bleating dim-witted Western Alpine sheep dreaming about peace, and a pack of European guard dogs to protect the herd.

The dogs bark, spitting poisoned saliva in all directions, and maintain order. And it's necessary to watch over them: the sheep often bleat aimlessly and get tangled up in rehearsed formulas.

Invisibly at the head of the flock is an elderly mentally feeble owner, long disconnected from reality, who constantly freezes while staring into the sky with a detachedly idiotic expression on his face. His family didn't let him go due to advancing dementia, sending a deputy into the mountains instead, who appeared briefly on the green lawn, recited a rehearsed phrase, and quickly bolted home.

In general, Alpine livestock grazing is just dismal crap, ruthlessly burning through the taxpayers' money.

Or, as Schwonder used to say, "it's some kind of disgrace"..."

[Bill Ryan]

There was a fairly major prison hostage incident in Rostov (adjoining Donbass), which was quickly ended by Russian forces. There are numerous videos of the entire thing circulating on Telegram and Twitter/X.

ISIS Terrorists Killed After Holding Hostages In Russia's Rostov-On-Don Prison

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=imZ6ZztefYg

[Jim_Duyer]

Well, it's way past time to start walking. Long walks to build stamina - no matter your age or condition. And practice periods of many hours without internet, tv, radio or other distractions - except reading or crafts. Take one weekend each month and go camping in the woods or wilderness or the closest you have to it. Drop liquor and cigarettes, if you still do those, for this weekend. The stress of boredom and depression of having the material goods removed will kill more than the Covid shots should we get a WWIII. People need to begin now to harden themselves - otherwise they will be like the vast majority - two days without electric or three without water and they will sell their children to anyone who promises something like they lost.
This is not just me - any survivalist will tell you the same things.
Throw the junk out of one or two rooms - the stuff that won't work after an EMP and start moving your families into it - time to ring the wagons, to the extent that we can without getting radical.
Remember, anything you stockpile now can be used later to reduce your monthly food bills should nothing happen. But something sure seems to be coming.