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    https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1823444960517218700



    Kyle Becker
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    Nation's Best Hackers Tell Americans What They Already Know: Our Voting Machines Are Not Secure

    "Some of the best hackers in the world gathered in Las Vegas over the weekend to try to break into voting machines that will be used in this year’s election — all with an eye to helping officials identify and fix vulnerabilities," Politico has reported.

    "The problem? Their findings will likely come too late to make any fixes before Nov. 5."

    Isn't that convenient?

    Harri Hursti, co-founder of the Voting Village group that runs the white hat hacker forum, has found security flaws with voting machines every year for the last decade. Hursti is expected to publish a report on the vulnerabilities, which runs “multiple pages” and are consistent with past findings.

    One of the presidential candidates, Kamala Harris, when she was a senator in 2019, summed up the problems with the nation's voting machines well.

    "Paper ballots are the smartest, safest way to ensure your vote is secure against attacks by foreign actors," she said. "Russia can’t hack a piece of paper like they can a computer. We introduced the Secure Elections Act to ensure our elections are safeguarded. We must be ready."

    On the Senate floor, Kamala Harris has lambasted electronic voting machines.

    "We held a demonstration for my colleagues here at the capitol, where we brought in folks who before our eyes hacked election machines," she said.

    The 2024 election is shaping up to be one of the most pivotal elections in American history. And regardless of the outcome, U.S. voters will not be able to fully trust the results.

    Why? Because the country's elites are well aware of the problems with electronic voting machines, mass mail-in ballots, no voter IDs, and weeks of early voting. But they refuse to fix these problems.


    We can only conclude that insecure elections are not a "bug" but a "feature."
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    copying here

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    https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1824439565685231811




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    President Trump’s lawyers have asked Judge Juan Merchan to postpone President Trump’s sentencing date till after the 2024 election.

    The letter cites how the Judge’s daughter, Loren Merchan, and her business Partner
    @MikeNellis have worked for @KamalaHarris and are engaging in partisan activities to get her elected.

    Nice to see the Trump legal team reading all of my reporting into Mike Nellis and Authentic Campaigns.

    @CcpSkipTracer and I still are not done exposing Mike and Loren this election season. More to come!



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    https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1824501403982741675



    Clandestine
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    It feels like we are in a stalemate.

    95% of voters have already decided who they are voting for, and the opposing sides are just hurling **** at each other until Election Day.

    Anyone still committed to the Dems at this point, will not be woken up with logic or reason. The remaining sheep will need some sort of massive event to jar them out of their deep psychosis.

    It feels like the pool of wake-able normies has depleted, and all that remain are the heavily brainwashed that do not want to be unplugged from the matrix.
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    not verified but interesting... if true, could signal a significant role in a new Trump admin, I suspect.

    https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1824770650742927602




    update - did not take long to find additional confirmation

    https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1824688296011714856




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    Per the New York Times, President Trump has brought in Tulsi Gabbard for Kamala Harris Debate prep. Tulsi single-handedly ended Kamala’s first presidential run in this clip.
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    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1825189760178249878



    We are now at 61,001 foreign antifa and over 27,012 domestic antifa in the Chicago area! (Overlay = device was present at 3 or more antifa protests/riots.)

    The average antifa ‘soldier’ comes from white, wealthy, globalist elite families based in Europe and the U.S., the top 1% of the 1%ers, most from straight up globalist families.

    — Tony Seruga (@TonySeruga) August 18, 2024

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    154 of these devices linked to 10 or more antifa protests/riots have also visited keycard required FBI/DOJ parking garages in Washington, DC. in the past 6 months. Additionally, 9 were also present at 2 or more “Patriot Front” marches.

    https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1825110394966286824





    https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1824691815632502934



    🚨 Chicago businesses are going into full-on LOCKDOWN and boarding up prior to the Democratic National Convention next week

    Lots of “mostly peaceful protests” are expected.

    Why didn’t they do this during the RNC? Oh that’s right: Republicans don’t loot.

    — Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) August 17, 2024

    added later

    https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1825233198366052403

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    Default Re: The 2024 US POTUS Election - and now the aftermath

    Just a bookmark.

    Remember this, posted on The Remote Viewing Data Dump thread back in early June:


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    ZH coverage

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...n-shutdown-dnc

    "Make It Great Like '68": Chicago Businesses Board Up As Protesters Threaten To Shut Down DNC

    by Tyler Durden
    Sunday, Aug 18, 2024 - 12:15 PM
    Tens of thousands of protesters are expected to descend near the Democratic National Convention in downtown Chicago in the coming days. Local media reports that shops have already boarded up doors and windows with plywood ahead of what could be a chaotic week.

    Crews with Chicago Board Up Services told WGN-TV that at least a dozen shops around the West Loop, downtown, and Daley Plaza have been completely boarded up. They expect additional businesses to do the same.

    https://x.com/K1erry/status/1824573064207532171




    Scott Schapiro, the owner of Syd Jerome, a menswear shop at 20 N. Clark St., told NBC Chicago that he is no stranger to smash-and-grab and looting in the metro area and decided to take extra precautions, such as boarding up doors and windows ahead of the convention - where thousands of protesters are expected.

    ...



    "You get that phone call in the middle of the night and your heart jumps out of your chest," Schapiro told the local media outlet.

    He continued, "We want to sleep a little more soundly at night, and this gives us a little security, and we hope that there isn't any incident obviously, but in the event there is, we want to have maximum protection."

    Protest organizers told NBC News that 20,000 demonstrators from several states will take over downtown streets in an approved protest area near the Democratic National Convention.

    "The 264 protest groups that have said they will participate are primarily focused on Palestinian rights, ending the war in Gaza and reducing US aid to Israel," NBC said, adding, "Others represent a patchwork of left-leaning causes: climate activists, socialists, anti-racist organizations, queer and trans rights groups."

    Mayor Brandon Johnson informed business owners and residents last week that the metro area is well prepared for social unrest. He reiterated that Chicago's police force has worked with the Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies.

    Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker brushed off fears that next week's Democratic National Convention could erupt into the same kind of violence experienced during the 1968 convention.

    Other local media outlets predict a much larger crowd size, upwards of 100,000 pro-Palestinian protesters.

    One protest organization, Behind Enemy Lines, has called for "Make it Great like '68," referring to the riots at the 1968 Democratic Convention.



    "We're not calling for violence or planning on anything illegal, but we think that there's ways for people to protest that do go beyond business as usual," the group spokesperson said, who asked not to be named and quoted by WBEZ Chicago.

    The media outlet explained, "Behind Enemy Lines has opened a temporary office on Chicago's Northwest Side, decorated with posters bearing slogans such as "Stop Killer Kamala" and "Fight Back for Gaza!""

    Any outbreak of civil disobedience could ignite a wave of bad press for VP Harris and the Democrats.

    VP Harris is already coming off a week of terrible headlines after debuting her first economic policies, including communist-style price controls.

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    Mayor Brandon Johnson informed business owners and residents last week that the metro area is well prepared for social unrest. He reiterated that Chicago's police force has worked with the Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies.

    Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker brushed off fears that next week's Democratic National Convention could erupt into the same kind of violence experienced during the 1968 convention.

    Other local media outlets predict a much larger crowd size, upwards of 100,000 pro-Palestinian protesters.

    One protest organization, Behind Enemy Lines, has called for "Make it Great like '68," referring to the riots at the 1968 Democratic Convention.
    It appears they are bracing for a catastrophe of rioting and violence.

    The Democrats are the party of peaceful protests and tolerance, so therefore they will tolerate they peaceful protestors brutalizing and killing innocent people and burning down Chicago.
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    If someone thinks a separate thread for the Democrat convention is warranted, we can move/copy these posts there.

    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1825400473446473822



    TRUE. Department of Defense is Preparing for a Possible Bio-Chemical Attack at the DNC, Funded De-Contamination Rooms at Local Hospitals https://t.co/itksD7Lxab

    — Tony Seruga (@TonySeruga) August 19, 2024


    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1825397941517099281



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    “DNC Go Home! Or We’re Gonna Bring the War Home!” – Pro-Hamas Protestors Flood Downtown Chicago Ahead of DNC Convention (VIDEO)

    https://thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08...ring-war-home/
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    https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1825193498556969194



    BREAKING.🚨

    Michelle Obama will address the Democratic National Convention in
    Chicago on Tuesday.

    The former First Lady is one of the most popular Democratic figures. Howver, she has repeatedly dismissed suggestions that she would run for president.

    Kamala Harris will not be the official presidential nominee until the delegates vote at the DNC.

    While Harris’ polling initially surged, her campaign is stalling in part due to the rollout of economic peoposals, which garnered blistering criticism at legacy media outlets like CNN and the Washington Post.

    There have been many political observers, as well as elected officials like Senator Ted Cruz, who believe that Michelle Obama could be the ‘surprise’ pick at the DNC.

    The Democratic National Convention is sure to be one of the most highly watched political events in modern history.
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    Maianne created thread for the Democratic National Convention here.
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    copying here

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    I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. - Robert Anton Wilson

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    https://x.com/bpcostello/status/1825924100520554556




    End Tribalism in Politics
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    RFK’s VP Nicole Shanahan says they are debating whether to stay in the race or drop out and join forces with Trump:

    “There’s two options that we're looking at and one is staying in, forming that new party, but we run the risk of a Kamala Harris and Waltz presidency because we draw more votes from Trump.

    Or we walk away right now and join forces with with Donald Trump and explain to our base why we're making this decision.”

    Brian Costello
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    Props to @RobertKennedyJr and @NicoleShanahan for their transparency. Supporting Trump is a no-brainer. If @KamalaHarris wins, the establishment will stop at nothing to crush both a third party and even the second. Staying in just because it provides some resources to build a new party will be a bridge to nowhere.


    ////////////////////////

    updated with ZH coverage here

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...alz-presidency

    by Tyler Durden
    Tuesday, Aug 20, 2024 - 01:05 PM

    Just days after refuting reports that RFK Jr approached Harris for a cabinet position, his running mate, Nicole Shanahan just dropped a bombshell during a podcast that could change the race considerably.



    Appearing on the 'Impact Theory' podcast (that was filmed yesterday), Shanahan said they are debating whether to stay in the race or drop out and join forces with Trump:

    “There’s two options that we're looking at...

    ...and one is staying in, forming that new party, but we run the risk of a Kamala Harris and Waltz presidency because we draw more votes from Trump.

    Or we walk away right now and join forces with with Donald Trump and explain to our base why we're making this decision.”

    Shanahan is clearly disillusioned at the anti-democratic methods that the Democratic Party have pulled to stall RFK Jr's progress:

    "...the DNC made it impossible for us...

    ...they have banned us, shadow-banned us. kept us off stages. manipulated polls. used lawfare against us. sued us in every possible State. They've even planted insiders into our campaign to disrupt it, and to create actual legal issues for us.

    I mean the extent by which the sabotage they've unleashed upon us is mindblowing.

    I mean we're still learning new ways that they have sabotaged us.

    I really wanted a fair shot at this election and I believed in the America that I a little girl pledged an allegiance to..."

    The full podcast is viewable here...




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    RFK Jr will receive a huge MAGA welcome.

    @realDonaldTrump needs to secure:

    UFC fans
    Joe Rogan followers
    Crypto Bros
    Home Schooling zealots
    Anti-Covid Vaccine pure bloods
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    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1825951828628160754



    For those in the cheap seats, this election is really Trump versus Obama.

    The last 3 1/2 years has been 💯 Barack Hussein Obama II executing his long term plan to destroy America.

    — Tony Seruga (@TonySeruga) August 20, 2024
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    https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1825981439256441258



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    As a Libertarian who supports Trump, much of my efforts have been aimed at trying to convince other Libertarians, moderates, centrists, etc., to jump aboard the Trump train.

    With allies like Vivek, Elon, Tulsi, and now potentially RFK Jr., the sell is getting easier. Then when you add in the variables like Kamala and the Dems going full Mao Zedong, WW3, failing economy, etc., the choice should be pretty clear for any sane voter.

    If RFK Jr. joins Trump, Trump will win over a sizable chunk of RFK Jr.’s support, and the ticket will look much more appealing to the center, giving Trump more votes in an election where the plan is to outvote voter fraud. It would be a galvanizing and unifying moment.

    Given the stakes of this election, this is the only logical conclusion for Trump, RFK Jr., and the American People.

    MAKE IT HAPPEN!
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    Don't know if all this is true but what a tangled web!

    (I thought a call between RFK Jr and Trump was not leaked, rather RFK Jr had interview cameras running during the call? Or perhaps my memory in error - not looking up now.)

    https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1826021359899783199



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    Now I’m hearing RFK Jr’s CIA daughter-in-law/campaign manager is using this threat in an attempt to pressure the Kamala Harris Campaign into bringing RFK Jr. onboard. WTF?! If true, did @RobertKennedyJr
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    Understand, the leviathan/deep state was on DEFCON 1 when they learned of a potential Trump/Kennedy alliance. That would simply NOT stand!

    President Trump was working on negotiating RFK JR, ending his campaign and endorsing Trump and offering RFK JR a position in Trump’s administration, then this call was leaked by RFK JR’s son, Conor Kennedy, causing Trump’s campaign to recoil. No one needs another repeat of the den of vipers leaking and sabotaging like in Trump’s first term.

    The deep state was 💯 behind the leak and has been manipulating and using Conor for almost two decades. He even secretly ‘fought’ in Ukraine, but was actually gathering intel for the CIA. Introduced his then girlfriend, Taylor Swift to his sister-in-law and RFK JR’s current campaign manger, former clandestine CIA officer Amaryllis Fox Kennedy. No doubt Conor’s deep state handlers befriended Swift.
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    My hunch is team RFK will eventually drop out and endorse Trump. Establishing a third party is tempting, but I think both he and Nicole Shanahan both understand how high the stakes are here.

    Actually, the best thing for RFK to do--and if anybody's monitoring this consider the advise free--is get behind the Trump ticket and run as a moderate-centrist leaning Republican in 2028. The radical woke agenda has dragged the entire political continuum so far left, even those with some sensible leftist positions appear right.

    I know I, for one, could probably get behind an RFK/ Gabbard ticket

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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    My hunch is team RFK will eventually drop out and endorse Trump. Establishing a third party is tempting, but I think both he and Nicole Shanahan both understand how high the stakes are here.

    Actually, the best thing for RFK to do--and if anybody's monitoring this consider the advise free--is get behind the Trump ticket and run as a moderate-centrist leaning Republican in 2028. The radical woke agenda has dragged the entire political continuum so far left, even those with some sensible leftist positions appear right.

    I know I, for one, could probably get behind an RFK/ Gabbard ticket

    I'll be deeply disappointed in RFK if he doesn't do that. I'd seriously question his judgement and motivations. He knows he can't win. But he can set his ego aside and be a major force for good here by dropping out and endorsing Trump.

    I won't be holding my breath though. I've seen him kind of poo-pah the danger of a Harris presidency. His attitude is that if we just hold the line for the next 4 years we can regroup and give it a shot in 2028. I don't think he has any idea what's at stake here. And I feel that he feels like an endorsement for Trump will perhaps ruin his chances for a 2028 run (especially if Trump loses).

    And in discussion with Jordan Peterson, when he was asked "when does the left go too far?", he refused to answer. He would not discuss the trans lunacy or any other "woke" stuff, explaining he didn't want to be "divisive". He completely lost my support there.

    Here's the thing: I want to like him! He's impressive in many ways, and I find myself agreeing with him on a number of things. But the things he refuses to take a stand on are far too important for me to ignore.

    It's my hope that Joe Rogan will drop the neutral act and get behind Trump too. There's no time to be f#cking around and playing coy about things. This is it for us here in the U.S. We're playin for all the marbles here. He needs to step up. He's been allergic to even having Trump on his podcast though, so his endorsement is unlikely. But he knows what's at stake, and I believe he has a responsibility to get involved. If he doesn't, I'll regard it as shameful.
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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    My hunch is team RFK will eventually drop out and endorse Trump. Establishing a third party is tempting, but I think both he and Nicole Shanahan both understand how high the stakes are here.

    Actually, the best thing for RFK to do--and if anybody's monitoring this consider the advise free--is get behind the Trump ticket and run as a moderate-centrist leaning Republican in 2028. The radical woke agenda has dragged the entire political continuum so far left, even those with some sensible leftist positions appear right.

    I know I, for one, could probably get behind an RFK/ Gabbard ticket

    I'll be deeply disappointed in RFK if he doesn't do that. I'd seriously question his judgement and motivations. He knows he can't win. But he can set his ego aside and be a major force for good here by dropping out and endorsing Trump.

    I won't be holding my breath though. I've seen him kind of poo-pah the danger of a Harris presidency. His attitude is that if we just hold the line for the next 4 years we can regroup and give it a shot in 2028. I don't think he has any idea what's at stake here. And I feel that he feels like an endorsement for Trump will perhaps ruin his chances for a 2028 run (especially if Trump loses).

    And in discussion with Jordan Peterson, when he was asked "when does the left go too far?", he refused to answer. He would not discuss the trans lunacy or any other "woke" stuff, explaining he didn't want to be "divisive". He completely lost my support there.

    Heres the thing: I want to like him! He's impressive in many ways, and I find myself agreeing with him on a number of things. But the things he refuses to take a stand on are far too important for me to ignore.

    It's my hope that Joe Rogan will drop the neutral act and get behind Trump too. There's no time to be f#cking around and playing coy about things. This is it for us here in the U.S. We're playin for all the marbles here. He needs to step up. He's been allergic to even having Trump in his podcast though, so his endorsement is unlikely. But he knows what's at stake, and I believe he has a responsibility to get involved. If he doesn't, I'll regard it a shameful.

    m not convinced he knows what's at stake.
    I agree with you 100%. I've also seen the noncommittal act out of RFK, which is disappointing--and I'm not sure if you watched the Nicole Shanahan interview mountain_jim posted above (I didn't watch the entire thing) but the parts I did see were impressive. One of the points she makes is if she and RFK can pull off 5% of the vote, they qualify to form a 3rd-party, which would be the objective of staying in the race and only reason not to drop out and get behind Trump. She also seems less politically motivated with safe responses and more committed to just saying it like it is. I got the feeling she we was telling us, the audience, the things RFK might be more reluctant to say (that it may be more important for Trump to win than anything elese) even if they don't formally endorse him.

    But I, like you, reserve judgement. I want to like RFK, but let's see how it all plays out.
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