The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism

[Carmody]

My comment about the complex chemical stew in processed foods and the bad aspects of eating farmed meats is about getting that out of one's system..in order to get to the higher vibrational states. That was the point behind that comment. To remove the lower vibrations with regard to their entry to your given system. Balloons can't float of you drag them down with rocks. It really is that simple, IMO and IME.

[Rayne T.]

Posted by chelmostef (here)
Earthlings trailer, can you make the connection?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yW3gunMSCu4

Sick of vegans?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=q9qdPbmQZb0

Round and round we go!

The Earthlings trailer I like, the other video is complete B.S. She's full of nothing but opinions and misinformation about meat- all of the bad health effects of meat for example, that she mentions are about cooked meat only. She knows nothing about the health giving and healing effects of raw meat. Then, all of her other information is based on the cruelty and pollution and waste that occurs with factory farming- something that I, as a meat eater, am against. She's of the opinion that some giant "we" must come up with some sustainable solution to the world's food problem. She's completely against and can't concieve of the idea of personal responsibility. Not to mention, that the arrogant, self-righteous and judgemental attitude of that girl ought to be a clear indicator that she's full of it.

[Limor Wolf]

Janos originally posted:

Re: The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism
Originally Posted by LIMOR
(shortened for brevity by Janos)

i am a family member of a holocaust survivors and those that did not survive.my mother was hiding under a false identity in a village in belgium Among strangers who agreed to take her in exchange for money,her father was murdered by gas at the 'Auschwitz' concentration camp...

But there is one atrocity that is never ending,and that is the animals concetration camp,and trilions of them that are being slaughterd everyday,As if they were objects without a soul.i am not willing to live my life contributing to any of it.my grandfather with other milions was put to death by gas and experienced extremely difficult conditions the months prior to this.

i would not hesitate to say that cows,chicken,lambs,fish are going through the same suffering everyday,without much hope


You are actually seriously comparing the holocaust to killing an animal for food, or even domestic meat production?

I know how commercial meat is raised, and it's barbaric. But the practice of eating meat doesn't have to be barbaric. Animals raised for consumption and properly handled have a much swifter, cleaner, and more painless death than any of us dare hope to have when we pass on. Nor does it make someone barbaric because they choose to eat meat, and in some cases, it's a life or death situation for them.

Rare indeed is the individual that says they'd rather die than eat something that can help them. I find those folks a bit odd, but hey, whatever floats their boat.

I'm pretty sure we all didn't incarnate here to die pointlessly from eating toxins in our food and water.

You can't harm anything anyway. (imho) Either it is an immortal soul, or it isn't. If a shark ate my wife, I'd be very sad, but I wouldn't be mad at the shark for being a shark. I'd say that she shouldn't have gone swimming where sharks were known to be!

What's that term that references how many posts/pages that it takes for any discussion on the internet on ANY subject to eventually reference Nazis, Hitler, or the Holocaust? Can't think of it offhand, but... Yea...

No offense LIMOR, but ye are WAY off base here with those comments.

Stable, rational people do not compare the atrocities of the Nazis in WWII with their neighbor, say, eating a chicken that they've humanely raised for that express purpose.

I'm sure glad human activists don't do the same things that animal activists do.

Hey there Janos,

The odd one,unstable,unrational here :)

(i am just kidding, dont worry)

i would like to try and bring yet another perspective wich might be even more off base to some of you and very real and acute to others.and even though it will seem to belong to many of the other threads concerning extraterrestriel reality in our world, i leave it to you to make the comparison and the insight to what is being said here.

i will bring some information from "The Allies of humanity" second book by Marshal vian summers.i will only quote some pharagraphs from "what they want" chapter since i know there is a copy material issue on the forum.i will ask the MODS to please delete this post if they think there is law violation in here.

This part of the book (channeled) talks about alien intervention on earth.it relates to specific ET species.the point is not if this information is true or not,but its importance is by giving us a distinctive feeling how it is to be on the 'other side'.(by the way,i believe this material very close to the truth) here it is :

************************************************

"As we have said,those who are intervining in your world today want to gain control of this world for obvious reasons and for reasons that are not so obvious.
They see this world as a great prize.rich in resources,governed by a race that they believe is unruly and unworthy to be the stewards of such a wondrous place.They also value your world,as we have said,beacuse of its strategic importance and because of the hidden depositories that exist in many parts of the world"

"...in order to acomplish and to maintain this,however,they will have to establish a very deep network of deception that we have been describing all along.
here you must understand that ther regard you as a resource as well.they do not consider you to be their equals.they do not value your religions,your cultures or your customs.they see you primarily as one of the resources of the world.as such,they seek to take advantage of you in all the ways that they can that they deem to be profitable and valuable to their interests."

"To them,you are a potential asset.as an asset you are valued only in what you are worth to them,how you may assist them and what you may be worth as an entity and as a resource in and of yourself.you must stop to consider what this really means.it means that they consider you to be a biological resource,part of a network of resources that exists within this world.in this,they view you much the same way that you view domesticated animals that you use as a resource."

"you use these animals for a variety of reasons,we understand.and this is commom in the greater community in worlds where such animals can be used as food resources.we understand that you use your animals in many different ways,to provide many different kind of benefits and substances and so forth."

"perhaps this is shocking,but you can understand this,for this is how you treat your animals as biological resources-to be used for food,for closing,for medicines,for fuel.in the greater community,biological resources are very valuable because they can be used and altered for a variety of purposes as we have mentioned-for medicinal purposes,for life support purposes and for the breeding of generation of new species."

"This is why many of your animals are taken.they are not simply taken to provide blood products for the interbreeding program.they are taken because these blood products themselves are highly valuable and can be traded very successfully."


So,while the visitors want the mineral resources of your world,they also want things that are much more elemental to the need of life.they need water.they need oxygen.they need blood.they need the resistance factors in blood.they need plasma.they need the biological elements that constitute life and that are fundamental to life everywhere.
this means that they need you as a biological resource.it is one thing to consider that your world will be used to serve other powers.But the idea that you will be used to serve other powers is another matter altogether and represents a further violation of your fundamental rights."

"As resource,you will be used,and when your usefulness is over,you will be discarded.this is how resources are used.some are preserved.some are used up.just the way that you use resources in your daily life."

"The visitors are here to do business.you are part of the business.your hands.your eyes.your reproductive organs.your blood.your plasma.your biochemistry,This is all part of their business.to them,you are like inteligent live-stock- useful,interesting and commercially important."

"They want to use every part of the world.and they want to use every part of you.just like you would want to use every part of the cow or the sheep or any other domesticated animal that you breed for your own purposes."

"The visitors do not "hate" humanity.They are not cruel and murderous in the sense that you might think.They just view you as a resource the way you view your animals as a resource.To them,though you have inteligence,they consider that you are irredeemably chaotic and unruly,and they do not understand your deeper motivations.they see your technology as being in a rather adolscent phase,and they look at your destructive behaviours with concern,anxiety and repulsion.Being without knowledge,the spiritual foundation,they do not see that what they are prepetrating upon your world is ethically or morally reprehensible.it is merely an opportunity to fullfil their practical neccessities."

"We have been reluctant to tell you certain things because we do not want to lose your attention.we do not want you to turn away in denial,thinking that you cannot face those matters.so we have tried to be extremely carefull in the way that we have presented the situation.but in spite of this,there are certain things you must know and that you cannot readily see from your vantage point."

"Resources are precious in the universe-mineral resources,water resources,biological resources,food resources.large technological societies such as the collectives have an enormous need for resources for their own maintenance.Their commerce is based upon the acquisition of all those things and on the exploration for new sources.This,of course,makes them primarily interested in emerging worlds such as your own,wich are emerging within regions where they have influence and power.

Consider our words.Now we will tell you what you must do."

[Rayne T.]

Posted by LIMOR (here)

Janos originally posted:

Re: The Raw Primal Diet vs Vegetarianism
Originally Posted by LIMOR
(shortened for brevity by Janos)

i am a family member of a holocaust survivors and those that did not survive.my mother was hiding under a false identity in a village in belgium Among strangers who agreed to take her in exchange for money,her father was murdered by gas at the 'Auschwitz' concentration camp...

But there is one atrocity that is never ending,and that is the animals concetration camp,and trilions of them that are being slaughterd everyday,As if they were objects without a soul.i am not willing to live my life contributing to any of it.my grandfather with other milions was put to death by gas and experienced extremely difficult conditions the months prior to this.

i would not hesitate to say that cows,chicken,lambs,fish are going through the same suffering everyday,without much hope


You are actually seriously comparing the holocaust to killing an animal for food, or even domestic meat production?

I know how commercial meat is raised, and it's barbaric. But the practice of eating meat doesn't have to be barbaric. Animals raised for consumption and properly handled have a much swifter, cleaner, and more painless death than any of us dare hope to have when we pass on. Nor does it make someone barbaric because they choose to eat meat, and in some cases, it's a life or death situation for them.

Rare indeed is the individual that says they'd rather die than eat something that can help them. I find those folks a bit odd, but hey, whatever floats their boat.

I'm pretty sure we all didn't incarnate here to die pointlessly from eating toxins in our food and water.

You can't harm anything anyway. (imho) Either it is an immortal soul, or it isn't. If a shark ate my wife, I'd be very sad, but I wouldn't be mad at the shark for being a shark. I'd say that she shouldn't have gone swimming where sharks were known to be!

What's that term that references how many posts/pages that it takes for any discussion on the internet on ANY subject to eventually reference Nazis, Hitler, or the Holocaust? Can't think of it offhand, but... Yea...

No offense LIMOR, but ye are WAY off base here with those comments.

Stable, rational people do not compare the atrocities of the Nazis in WWII with their neighbor, say, eating a chicken that they've humanely raised for that express purpose.

I'm sure glad human activists don't do the same things that animal activists do.

Hey there Janos,

The odd one,unstable,unrational here

(i am just kidding, dont worry)

i would like to try and bring yet another perspective wich might be even more off base to some of you and very real and acute to others.and even though it will seem to belong to many of the other threads concerning extraterrestriel reality in our world, i leave it to you to make the comparison and the insight to what is being said here.

i will bring some information from "The Allies of humanity" second book by Marshal vian summers.i will only quote some pharagraphs from "what they want" chapter since i know there is a copy material issue on the forum.i will ask the MODS to please delete this post if they think there is law violation in here.

This part of the book (channeled) talks about alien intervention on earth.it relates to specific ET species.the point is not if this information is true or not,but its importance is by giving us a distinctive feeling how it is to be on the 'other side'.(by the way,i believe this material very close to the truth) here it is :

************************************************

"As we have said,those who are intervining in your world today want to gain control of this world for obvious reasons and for reasons that are not so obvious.
They see this world as a great prize.rich in resources,governed by a race that they believe is unruly and unworthy to be the stewards of such a wondrous place.They also value your world,as we have said,beacuse of its strategic importance and because of the hidden depositories that exist in many parts of the world"

"...in order to acomplish and to maintain this,however,they will have to establish a very deep network of deception that we have been describing all along.
here you must understand that ther regard you as a resource as well.they do not consider you to be their equals.they do not value your religions,your cultures or your customs.they see you primarily as one of the resources of the world.as such,they seek to take advantage of you in all the ways that they can that they deem to be profitable and valuable to their interests."

"To them,you are a potential asset.as an asset you are valued only in what you are worth to them,how you may assist them and what you may be worth as an entity and as a resource in and of yourself.you must stop to consider what this really means.it means that they consider you to be a biological resource,part of a network of resources that exists within this world.in this,they view you much the same way that you view domesticated animals that you use as a resource."

"you use these animals for a variety of reasons,we understand.and this is commom in the greater community in worlds where such animals can be used as food resources.we understand that you use your animals in many different ways,to provide many different kind of benefits and substances and so forth."

"perhaps this is shocking,but you can understand this,for this is how you treat your animals as biological resources-to be used for food,for closing,for medicines,for fuel.in the greater community,biological resources are very valuable because they can be used and altered for a variety of purposes as we have mentioned-for medicinal purposes,for life support purposes and for the breeding of generation of new species."

"This is why many of your animals are taken.they are not simply taken to provide blood products for the interbreeding program.they are taken because these blood products themselves are highly valuable and can be traded very successfully."


So,while the visitors want the mineral resources of your world,they also want things that are much more elemental to the need of life.they need water.they need oxygen.they need blood.they need the resistance factors in blood.they need plasma.they need the biological elements that constitute life and that are fundamental to life everywhere.
this means that they need you as a biological resource.it is one thing to consider that your world will be used to serve other powers.But the idea that you will be used to serve other powers is another matter altogether and represents a further violation of your fundamental rights."

"As resource,you will be used,and when your usefulness is over,you will be discarded.this is how resources are used.some are preserved.some are used up.just the way that you use resources in your daily life."

"The visitors are here to do business.you are part of the business.your hands.your eyes.your reproductive organs.your blood.your plasma.your biochemistry,This is all part of their business.to them,you are like inteligent live-stock- useful,interesting and commercially important."

"They want to use every part of the world.and they want to use every part of you.just like you would want to use every part of the cow or the sheep or any other domesticated animal that you breed for your own purposes."

"The visitors do not "hate" humanity.They are not cruel and murderous in the sense that you might think.They just view you as a resource the way you view your animals as a resource.To them,though you have inteligence,they consider that you are irredeemably chaotic and unruly,and they do not understand your deeper motivations.they see your technology as being in a rather adolscent phase,and they look at your destructive behaviours with concern,anxiety and repulsion.Being without knowledge,the spiritual foundation,they do not see that what they are prepetrating upon your world is ethically or morally reprehensible.it is merely an opportunity to fullfil their practical neccessities."

"We have been reluctant to tell you certain things because we do not want to lose your attention.we do not want you to turn away in denial,thinking that you cannot face those matters.so we have tried to be extremely carefull in the way that we have presented the situation.but in spite of this,there are certain things you must know and that you cannot readily see from your vantage point."

"Resources are precious in the universe-mineral resources,water resources,biological resources,food resources.large technological societies such as the collectives have an enormous need for resources for their own maintenance.Their commerce is based upon the acquisition of all those things and on the exploration for new sources.This,of course,makes them primarily interested in emerging worlds such as your own,wich are emerging within regions where they have influence and power.

Consider our words.Now we will tell you what you must do."

That's easy...

We don't eat factory farmed meat, and we stop abusing animals. One does not have to participate in animal abuse in order to eat meat.

It's a preditory universe.

Carlos Castaneda says that a warrior doesn't leave himself standing in the middle of the road to be run over. I agree.

We don't have to be victims to anything, even those alien predators you are talking about.

Survival of the fittest is a good thing. Be a warrior.

Love and Light, Rayne

[Limor Wolf]

Rayne.T originally posted:

"thats easy..."

"Survival of the fittest is a good thing"

Is it? ----------------












Love &light
Limor

[9eagle9]

With the qualifier that fitness isn't just about physical health and fitness. That mind, body and spirit are as balanced as possible. One's state of physical fitness doesn't automatically dictate their emotional or mental state are fit.... However it's much easier to achieve a balanced mind and spirit place, if one's body isn't suffering. Some folks can't achieve this optimal balance if their minds are holding on to things that are not serving them. Conversely one's spiritual and mental state can cause conflict in the body. So that's why all three in balance and not resisting each other is important for optimal fitness.

Rayne you noted way up thread that you had some spiritual and emotional energetic work done prior to trying the raw meat-food. Did that help you to find any emotional trauma that may have triggered your body's reaction to a more conventional diet? You don't have to answer if it's too personal.

[9eagle9]

Limor, some people are quite correctly not allowing themselves to attach into to other peoples inner landscape drama.s. I. You are emotionally identifying with these photos, and their subjects, and attempting to emotionally manipulate us by exposing them to things YOU are emotionally identified with. Because some of us don't have the same wounds you do we aren't triggered by such manipulations. Its not that we are callous, we just have a different level of knowing. If you feel we don't take you seriously its not that at all. Its just we aren't going to climb in your wound with you. That would be doing YOU a great disservice to stir up your pain body more than its already and obviously stirred up.

Posted by LIMOR (here)

Rayne.T originally posted:

"thats easy..."

"Survival of the fittest is a good thing"

Is it? ----------------

[Limor Wolf]

Hi 9eagle9,thank you for your response.i am emotionally identifying with the people in this photos and the situations they are in,very true.
i am not manipulating,i do not attach drama to my life.i do not take others emotions upon myself,but i do recognize.and recognision in others has some value.
no worries,i do not feel that you dont take me seriously.this thread is being read by many silent readers,so maybe some of the angles i presented here will be more beneficial to them.

one last thing.sometimes pain has a purpose in our life.it shows us that something is not quite right and it points to the problem,If we are attentive enough to listen.i am not one to turn my head to the other direction in denial.i believe people want a happy outcome.people want to avoid conflict and challenge.people do not want to change,necessarily.but change is coming to our world today nevertheless.this change in perceptions will come from a deeper understanding.today there is a lot of confusion and ambivalence towords many issues,like the one that we are talking about here.

i read a nice sentence today that i think will be suitable to our 'to eat or not to eat meat' correspondence as well:

"It is not information you need as much as perspective.if you cannot see the situation clearly,what good is having more information? if you cannot know the truth in your own heart,what the information provide for you? you need a little information.you need a lot of perspective.and you need a lot of courage."

only my POV

only the best to us all
~*&^~*&^~*&^&~*

Limor

[9eagle9]

Then pray tell why are you posting them if not to elicit an emotional response? Which is nearly always a prelude to a drama. Which is manipulation. Some people call it guilt tripping.

I dare say you aren't quite sure why you are doing it. And I realize that.

[Limor Wolf]

9eagle9 originally posted:
"I dare say you aren't quite sure why you are doing it. And I realize that"

GOOD FOR YOU!

blessings,
Limor

[9eagle9]

With that understanding please explain why pain is necessary to purpose when most pain is self created? An old Judeo-Christian precept, correct?

A rather bit in opposition this belief (s) that suffering is okay for humans but animals needn't suffer? Two opposing core beliefs. If one accepts the suffering of humans serves a purpose one would have to reasonably acknowledge the suffering and pain of animals serves a purpose as well?

[Limor Wolf]

Dont be ofended dear 9,i think i put all i wanted in here.the table is set and everyone can help themselves to whatever they like and leave the rest that they dont find appetizing.i think we did a good job in presenting both sides of this issue,and i especially thank you for raising your voice as you did...i think you are doing an excelent job...

Limor

[9eagle9]

.....so you percieve me as suffering now?

hmmm,,,,,,

[Lettherebelight]

Survival of the fittest is a natural law of this material world we inhabit. One living entity is food for another.

Emotions are important...empathy, compassion...if sincerely felt with intelligence, they can lead us to higher realms of consciousness.

In the human form we have the opportunity to choose how/what we eat according to our nature, it is an individual choice.

I think the title of this thread of 'one vs the other' is antagonistic.
Thoughtful people, like those here, have very strong convictions about how they
maintain their body, so there's bound to be conflict.

No one will convince me to change something I've found to be true for me, and I can't convince another against their truth.
I hope it doesn't sound wishy washy, but I hear both sides here, loud and clear.

We're lucky we have the luxury to discuss what type of food we eat at all,
So many go without.

[Limor Wolf]

9eagle9 said:

.....so you percieve me as suffering now?

hmmm,,,,,,

ha,ha where does this head of yours take you?

:-)

Bless your heart!

[9eagle9]

Limor

YOU were the one assumed I was offended. Offense being a form of suffering. I asked you a question. You responded with the following implying I was offended.

Your quote: (not mine btw)

""Dont be ofended dear 9,i think i put all i wanted in here.the table is set and everyone can help themselves to whatever they like and leave the rest that they dont find appetizing.i think we did a good job in presenting both sides of this issue,and i especially thank you for raising your voice as you did...i think you are doing an excelent job...""

Limor

[Limor Wolf]

O.k,got you. lets shake hands an move on.I feel a little uncomfortable from Ryne.T that we are off-topicing her thread.
nice join date you have.

[9eagle9]

No wait! It's a dream come true. I've always wanted someone other than myself to be responsible for my moods! To do otherwise means I"M responsible for them!

[Limor Wolf]

:-)

may all your dreams come true!!

[9eagle9]

Are you sure? That I won't mess up my purpose of suffering as a human by making all my dreams come true? I mean none of my dreams involve suffering. This sounds pretty important and I wouldn't want to get it wrong.