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    This is one of the craters caused by bombs dropped by Israelis to commit the new Mawasi refugee camp massacre.

    5 bunker buster USA made bombs were dropped over the "safe-zone" tent city in Mawassi in south Gaza, Palestine.

    Craters as deep as 10 meters stand where 50 tents stood & their inhabitants slept.

    Nothing recognizable can be found. Tents were buried 10 meters deep.

    Entire Palestinian families have been wiped out.

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    This WAS a shelter for displaced Palestinian civilians that had atleast 20 TENTS in Al Mawasi, Khan Yonis.

    It was a “designated SAFE ZONE”.

    Israel bombed it using 2000 pounds American MK bombs.

    Everything is gone, leaving behind only 10 meter deep craters.

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    BREAKING: HAMAS OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON HORRIFIC MAWASI MASSACRE

    "The occupation commits the most heinous massacres against the tents of the displaced in Mawasi Khan Younis, a brutal war of extermination.

    The occupation's allegations of the presence of resistance fighters are a blatant lie

    A new horrific massacre committed by the Zionist occupation army in Mawasi Khan Younis, by targeting the tents of the displaced with heavy missiles launched by its warplanes, which resulted in the martyrdom of dozens of unarmed civilians, most of whom were children and women,

    This brutal targeting of unarmed civilians, women, children and elderly, in an area that the occupation army had declared safe; is a confirmation of the Nazi occupation government's continuation of the war of extermination against our Palestinian people, and its deliberate commission of heinous massacres against them, disregarding international or humanitarian law, or the resolutions calling for an end to the aggression, with full cover from the American administration, a partner in the aggression against our people.

    We confirm that the claims of the fascist occupation army of the presence of resistance elements in the targeted area; It is a blatant lie, through which it seeks to justify these heinous crimes. The resistance has repeatedly confirmed its denial of the presence of any of its elements among civilian gatherings, or the use of these places for military purposes.

    In light of these repeated brutal massacres against civilians and displaced persons in tents, schools and shelters, the international community, the United Nations and all political, humanitarian and judicial institutions are required today to leave the square of silence and helplessness, and assume their responsibility to stop this holocaust that has been ongoing for eleven months, and work to stop this savage aggression, and take the necessary measures to bring the Zionist war criminals to the International Criminal Court, and hold them accountable for these heinous crimes."

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    Pictures: Nablus mourns American activist Aysenur Ezgi Eygi, killed by Israel
    September 9, 2024

    Occupied West Bank (Quds News Network)- Residents of Nablus in the occupied West Bank held a solemn funeral on Monday for American activist Aysenur Ezgi Egi, who was fatally sniped by Israeli forces during a peaceful protest last Friday. Egi’s death has triggered widespread condemnation, as she was participating in a nonviolent demonstration opposing Israeli settlement expansion in the town of Beita, south of Nablus.

    The funeral prayer took place after her body was released from Rafidia Governmental Hospital in the afternoon. Local authorities, led by Nablus Governor Ghassan Daghlas, along with representatives from civil society, gathered to honor her memory. The Palestinian security forces organized an official convoy, underscoring the significant impact of her death on the community.

    Following the funeral, Egi’s body is expected to be transferred to Turkey, according to the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. A spokesperson from the ministry confirmed that Turkey is working to expedite the return of her remains, following her family’s request.

    Aysenur was killed by an Israeli sniper while she was attending a peaceful demonstration against the expansion of illegal Israeli settlements. According to the forensic report, she was struck by a single bullet to the head, fired by an Israeli sniper targeting the unarmed protesters.

    Her death has caused outrage in both Turkey and the United States. Her family has called for an independent investigation into the unlawful killing, urging US President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and Secretary of State Antony Blinken to ensure full accountability for those responsible. The Israeli military has claimed it is investigating the incident, but human rights groups remain skeptical, citing a longstanding pattern of impunity surrounding Israeli forces’ actions in the West Bank.

    Egi’s killing highlights the increasing dangers faced by international activists and Palestinian protesters opposing Israeli settlements. Despite their nonviolent efforts, they are frequently met with deadly force from Israeli soldiers. Human rights organizations have condemned the killing and are demanding accountability and transparency.
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    US not probing killing of its citizen Aysenur Eygi in West Bank: Officials
    US spokesperson warns against ‘conflating’ killing of American-Israeli captive in Gaza with shooting of Aysenur Ezgi Eygi.

    Officials in the United States have said that Washington still does not “know with full certainty what transpired” when a US citizen was killed by Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank last week, stressing that they were waiting for the findings of an Israeli investigation.

    The US on Monday also appeared to reject calls for an independent investigation into the fatal shooting of Aysenur Ezgi Eygi. State Department spokesperson Vedant Patel declined to acknowledge that Eygi was killed by an Israeli soldier, but he called for the process to “play out and for the facts to be gathered”.

    He also urged Israel to “quickly and robustly conduct” its probe and make the findings public but confirmed the administration is not planning to independently investigate the killing — as Eygi’s family requested.

    “We are working closely to ascertain the facts, but there is not a State Department-led investigation that is going on,” Patel said at a press briefing on Monday.

    Eygi, 26, was shot in the head by an Israeli sniper on Friday while attending a demonstration against the expansion of illegal Israeli settlements in Beita, south of Nablus. Israeli forces fired live ammunition, stun grenades and tear gas at demonstrators, with eyewitnesses saying Eygi was intentionally targeted even as she posed no threat.

    Palestinian rights advocates and Eygi’s loved ones have been calling for accountability for her killing.

    Earlier this month, following the killing in Gaza of US-Israeli captive Hersh Goldberg-Polin, the US Department of Justice quickly announced it was investigating his killing “and each and every one of Hamas’s brutal murders of Americans”.

    Pressed on the double standard on Monday, Patel sought to differentiate Goldberg-Polin’s killing from the shooting of Eygi.

    “Let’s make sure we are not conflating the direct murder of American-Israeli citizens, hostages, being held by a terrorist group,” he told reporters.

    “Each circumstance is unique and different,” he added.

    The department did not immediately answer a request by Al Jazeera to elaborate on that comment.

    Patel also did not directly answer questions about how Eygi’s family and those of others killed by Israel could trust an investigation process handled by the perpetrators of their killings.

    No US investigation

    After the White House said on Friday that it was “deeply disturbed” by the killing and that it had requested Israel to conduct an investigation, Eygi’s family pushed back and called for an independent one. “We welcome the White House’s statement of condolences, but given the circumstances of Aysenur’s killing, an Israeli investigation is not adequate,” they said in a statement.

    A spokesperson for the White House said on Monday that US President Joe Biden had not yet spoken to the family.

    Ahmad Abuznaid, the executive director of the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights (USPCR), dismissed the US call for Israel to investigate its own forces. Israeli authorities rarely ever prosecute troops for abuses in the occupied Palestinian territories despite reports of rampant rights violations against Palestinians.

    “The first investigation should be into how the State Department continues to arm the state of Israel as it’s killed several US citizens and tens of thousands of Palestinians in the last year alone. That’s the primary investigation we’re waiting on the results for,” Abuznaid told Al Jazeera.

    Margaret DeReus, executive director of the Institute for Middle East Understanding, also described the US call for an Israeli investigation as “wholly insufficient”.

    “Israel doesn’t conduct transparent investigations and neither Israel nor the US hold the perpetrators of these killings accountable. You don’t rely on the criminal to investigate his crime,” DeReus told Al Jazeera.

    “Over the past nearly 11 months, President Biden has shown daily which lives he values and which lives he deems dispensable. He cannot place his allegiance to this genocidal regime over the lives of his own citizens,” she added.

    ‘Cover-ups’

    Israeli forces have killed several US citizens in recent years, but the Biden administration has consistently rejected calls for independent investigations into those incidents as well.

    For example, in 2022, Washington resisted demands for a US-led probe into the killing of Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh by the Israeli military in the West Bank, urging Israel to conduct its own probe instead.

    Israeli authorities eventually dismissed the fatal shooting as an “accident” and refused to pursue criminal charges in the case.

    Israeli and US media outlets reported months after the killing of Abu Akleh that the US Justice Department opened a probe into the shooting. But US officials have not publicly confirmed the existence of the investigation, whose findings remain unknown.

    Families of the victims have condemned the decision to once again allow Israel to investigate a killing by its own forces.

    “Israel does not do investigations; they do cover-ups,” Cindy Corrie, Rachel Corrie’s mother, told Democracy Now on Monday. An Israeli soldier crushed Rachel Corrie to death with a bulldozer in Rafah in 2003. Her family spent years lobbying multiple administrations to launch an independent, US-led probe — to no avail.

    “Our family worked for an investigation into Rachel’s killing, and we wanted some consequences out of that. And we hoped — even though we didn’t know the names of the people that would be killed in the future, we hoped that that would stop and it would not happen,” Cindy Corrie said.

    Some advocates have argued that even a US-led investigation would not suffice. “An international investigation, ideally by the ICC, must commence because Israeli authorities cannot be trusted to credibly investigate the killings of American citizens, and the US government is unwilling to hold Israel accountable,” human rights lawyer Jamil Dakwar, who co-represented the Corrie family in their civil case in Israeli courts, told Al Jazeera.

    Eygi, who was born in Antalya, Turkey but grew up in Seattle, Washington in the US, had recently graduated from the University of Washington, where she had participated in campus protests against US support for Israel’s war on Gaza. She was a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), a pro-Palestinian organisation.

    In recent years, Beita has been the site of weekly demonstrations against the construction of new illegal Israeli outposts. Before Eygi, 17 Palestinian protesters were killed there since 2020, according to the group.
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    ---22 min--6 Sept 2024 #TheJimmyDoreShow
    'A clip from an English-language Israeli podcast showing hosts Naor Meningher and Eytan Weinstein discussing the idea of eradicating all Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza has gone viral online.
    Youtube is filled with over hyped headlines, but the title here "This is Incredibly Sick" is completely accurate if you can say those words in the most disgusted tone of voice accurately describes how I feel about watching these two "Nice Jewish Boys" talk about how much they would like to exterminate every Palestinian in Gaza. The money quote from their interview is:

    Quote If you gave me a button to just erase Gaza, every single living being in Gaza would no longer be living tomorrow. I would press it in a second.”
    But just reading the quote does not accurately reveal the level of horror on display here, you have to listen to the video and hear Eytan Weinstein say those words and listen to how normal he makes it sound, how he can really say those words and come across as a "Nice Jewish Boy". One can imagine him say him saying these words or genocide in that tone of voice at a cocktail party or family gathering in Israel and some little old grandmothers looking at him saying "isn't he a nice Jewish boy?" as of that is just what should be said in polite society in Tel Aviv these days.

    And while Weinstein receives an "F" in my book on "being a Mensch", he should be commended for his attempt at honesty. He says that most Israelis feel exactly as he does and he seems quite believable and sincere when he says this. I have to wonder how many people in Israel would gleefully "press the genocide button" like Eytan would. 20 percent? 50 percent? 80 percent? I really don't know, but it is certainly clearly the social construct know as "Israel" contains a large number of psychopaths. In most societies, psychopathy occurs at the rate of about 1%, and most psychopaths have to be very discreet about how much they enjoy violence and killing. But it seems Israel society has been breeding them in large numbers and is now harvesting its crop, with people like Eytan joyfully laughing about genociding children and doing so proudly on Youtube for the whole world to see.

    I know many would compare Israel to Nazi Germany and I would have strongly disagree. Germany carried out genocide in places where most Germans could not see what happened, in extermination camps in Poland. When some Germans knew about it, they kept the matter secret, whether they approved or not but were afraid to tell the trugh. But most pro-genocide Nazis knew that if Germans knew about the genocide, it would destabilize their society. Meanwhile in current day Israel, genocide is now becoming a central value that their society is based on.

    I think Eytan and his fellow genocide loving Israelis are more akin to people in colonial societies with a slave based economy, where the prevailing opinion was that some people should live their life in chains, with whipping, rape, and other forms of violence inflicted them, because of their skin color, or to the United States during the "Jim Crow" years, when the Ku Klux Klan and other masonic societies tormented African Americans with violence, and frequently performed public lynchings where ordinary towns folk would promenade with their children to see the corpses of black and Mexican men hanging from trees. Over many decades, Americans managed to kill about 4000 men by lynching. Of course, that's small potatoes next to how many Gazans have been genocided in less that a year, and that number isn't enough to satisfy "Nice Jewish Boys" like Eytan.

    What ever the number of Jews in Israel is who would agree with Eytan Weinstein's fondness for a Palestinian genocide, there are certainly a great number of them who are repulsed by this idea and would still believe in a civil society with human rights for all. Unfortunately, hundred of thousands of Jews (if not a million of them) have left Israel since last October and I think many of them are the ones that are repulsed by the values of people like Eytan. It is unfortunate, because if there is going to be a Jewish presence in the Middle East inside of a stable and just society, these are the people who could build a peaceful society.

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    Quote Posted by Kryztian (here)
    I think Eytan and his fellow genocide loving Israelis are more akin to people in colonial societies with a slave based economy, where the prevailing opinion was that some people should live their life in chains, with whipping, rape, and other forms of violence inflicted them, because of their skin color, or to the United States during the "Jim Crow" years, when the Ku Klux Klan and other masonic societies tormented African Americans with violence, and frequently performed public lynchings where ordinary towns folk would promenade with their children to see the corpses of black and Mexican men hanging from trees. Over many decades, Americans managed to kill about 4000 men by lynching.

    This vision of America is a bit over-played and rather misleading.

    Is it partly true? Yes, of course.

    Is it mostly backwards? Yes, of course.

    You go out and spend $50 on an African, but an Irishman is $5, who do you think will be treated better?

    I don't think people understand "slavery" and it is just an emotional buzzword that makes you go "Noooooooo!!!"

    There are limited examples that really match the Zionist hate doctrine, one of them being a Euro-American attitude towards Arabs in general, and, well, towards others. We can find these things and force them into view, and, the more you do this, ordinary slave holders look better, and the "experts" are heavily soiled. "Eugenics" comes from the Ivy League, no?

    Israel compares to nothing, since "colonies" were under the direction of, and for the benefit of, their mother state; a "vampire colony" for the benefit of "its own special people" is hard to find.

    Today, I don't have a message that is against any kind of person because of how they were born, however, I do have one that is against the things many of them choose to say. It may be against their religion and politics. I find it unacceptable. So, there is no tolerance for the legal entity, Zion. If one wishes to believe that Palestinians are to be exterminated like pests, you need to be placed in Canada, and indoctrinate to your heart's content where you will never affect anything.

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    “sacrificing their foreskins to the vengeful god who feeds on them and, if not fed foreskins, would make his furnace eat them whole"?

    This is one of the main reasons the Mandeans deny Moses and Judaism.

    Hence, one might think these laws were "introduced" to *some* Semites in a not-so-distant era, and, I guess we see who agreed to it.


    This works:

    Quote I have recently started refer to Zionism as “antisemitic Zionism"..


    I don't think that Palestinian Semites are out of line for resisting a 1920s invasion.

    Considering that, let's say, "someone's" ancestors used to live there, they got kicked out by the Romans. And I saw something in a speech a month or so ago that I did not understand, and what it turns out to be is the story of Khaybar 628, which is a rallying cry in several languages, such as:



    Khaybar, Khaybar, Ô Juifs, l'armée de Mohammad va revenir.


    It has already been recycled one time:

    Medieval Muslim conquerors of north India named Khyber Pass after Khaybar, signifying Muslim conquest of lands inhabited by ancient Hindus. This also symbolised Muslim aspiration of conquering entire India after Khyber Pass; just as the Conquest of Mecca followed the Muslim success at the Battle of Khaybar.


    Apparently the very beginning was a bit of a crisis:

    Quote Amidst the rise of Islam in the Hejaz, the Muslim community feared that the Jews—who had recently been attacked and expelled from Medina after Muhammad, on the basis of a divine revelation, alleged that they had been plotting to assassinate him—were forging alliances with a number of non-Muslim Arabian tribes.


    That's something to think about. Does Islam simply begin in a direct fight with Diaspora Jews?

    The battle is the precedent for the practice of charging higher taxes to non-Muslims.

    This is what they still dwell on, it's how they think. This is a situation where it's easy to "blame the Jews", and say, well, you caused problems for the Romans, and then for the Arabs, so tough luck. Or you go the other way and say they were unfairly persecuted and deserve sympathy. As an outsider, I'm not sure how to take it.

    I deny any type of doctrine of revenge based on the Mughals wiping out Buddhist India.

    But that sort of thing seems to get built in when it comes to tenancy of parts of the Middle East.

    "Khaybar" is definitely in a revival as "anti-Zionism", and I have no idea if there is anything more to be understood by it.
    Thank you Shaberon.

    To clarify my post a little: my "foreskin statement" about the link between circumcision and worship of a “god” who is NOT “Love” is not meant as a statement belonging to religion studies but rather as one belonging to (cultural) anthropology. The phenomenon exists on all continents but is more or less absent in the “Nostratic" world (with notable exceptions Bible fundamentalist Christianity and Semitic cultures), East and South Asia and Native Indian worlds. Anthropologically then, the real "originator cultures" are tribal cultures in Africa (where it was passed on to Pharaonic Egypt and from there to Semitic cultures) and Oceania – and the practice revolves around the central idea of the sacrifice of male (sexual) pleasure on the altar of reproduction and expansion of the tribe – in which tribal cultures it also goes hand in hand, “si j’ose dire”, with the correlative sexual mutilation of women. The central criticism of this practice is that the "excision" or "circumcision" – in short the "cision" – of bodily bliss generates a psychosis (unhappiness with life, self-hatred, suppression of suppression etc.) that systematises cruelty (against Self and Other) and collapses the personal goal of immortality (or eternal bliss) into a tribal goal of expansion over time and space. It is not difficult to see to what extent these two points are at work in the genocidal psychosis of Zionism (which is not at all a phenomenon of "mass psychosis" but rather a phenomenon of generalisation of individual madness or personal psychosis) – but also in the development of a "reality" that the “Deep State Monsters“ want to impose upon us and reduce us to.

    Second point. Your “Khaybar” remark is highly interesting. I plan to delve a bit into it and will come back to it/you later.

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    (...)

    I know many would compare Israel to Nazi Germany and I would have strongly disagree. Germany carried out genocide in places where most Germans could not see what happened, in extermination camps in Poland. When some Germans knew about it, they kept the matter secret, whether they approved or not but were afraid to tell the trugh. But most pro-genocide Nazis knew that if Germans knew about the genocide, it would destabilize their society. Meanwhile in current day Israel, genocide is now becoming a central value that their society is based on.

    (...)
    I agree with you, Kryztian, on this, and hence am strongly opposed to the "meme" launched by Daniel Goldhagen in his 1996 Hitler’s Willing Executioners. I recommend to all PA members and readers to read the Wikipedia entry on this “doctoral thesis” – some well-known events of the last decade or two may very well show their ugly head here and there.

    Yet, I think that the genuinely telling comparison to be made is not with German society in the 30s, but with German, and French, and British... and/and European... and American (!)... and now that we are there... with Japanese, or Indian, societies today – and how public sentiments about migration take on strange forms corresponding to what Zionist circles have always considered “Israel’s resolve against its predicament” – which "one day Europe’s pampered citizenry would wake up to”. Of course these sentiments are heavily manipulated by present-day agendas.. and politicians, or “Monsters”, who may have drawn lessons from Goldhagen.. "You know, Goldhagen with his thesis of endemic German antisemitism... se non è vero, è ben trovato.. Let’s try and make our societies “endemically” anti-Arab "ex post", "in hindsight"..!”

    And alas, that is working.
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    A powerful interview with Ralph Nader (yes, THE Ralph Nader, says his host Judge Napolitano), who is 90 — ninety! — years old.

    Despite his years, he knocked me back in my seat with his forceful damnation of the Israeli genocide. Respect.

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    Yes, he told Judge Napolitano (and wrote in his new article here: https://capitolhillcitizen.com/wp-co...024WEB2_01.pdf) that he estimates the true current death toll in Gaza to be in the order of 300,000 — and might be double that soon.

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    ...the link between circumcision and worship of a “god” who is NOT “Love” is not meant as a statement belonging to religion studies but rather as one belonging to (cultural) anthropology. The phenomenon exists on all continents...

    "Mandean" is similar. Let's say it means "the Semites". Why? Being primarily northern (Harran and Turkish border area) and for speaking a form of Aramaic. I would suggest this is representative of a larger area and population prior to the advent of "Hebrew". Moreover, although it does carry a religious connotation, "Mandean" turns out to be the term for a householder, not a priest. Non-violence being one of their prime directives, circumcision is seen as an act of violence, which is why they would not be interested in the Laws of Moses.

    For victims such as myself, I think I carry it as a traumatic memory lodged in the subconscious that I cannot really "see", perhaps because my brain refuses to think of it.

    We were told it was for "cleanliness", and I just chalk it up to a series of routines that doctors automatically started doing in the twentieth century.

    But this, among many other things, I would have to say is a military tactic used against a civilian populace.

    It perhaps may be culturally different in other places. Here, the tincture of Zionism seems rather widespread. Difficult to sort it from the way of thinking that went on in those times.

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    Quote Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
    ...the link between circumcision and worship of a “god” who is NOT “Love” is not meant as a statement belonging to religion studies but rather as one belonging to (cultural) anthropology. The phenomenon exists on all continents...

    "Mandean" is similar. Let's say it means "the Semites". Why? Being primarily northern (Harran and Turkish border area) and for speaking a form of Aramaic. I would suggest this is representative of a larger area and population prior to the advent of "Hebrew". Moreover, although it does carry a religious connotation, "Mandean" turns out to be the term for a householder, not a priest. Non-violence being one of their prime directives, circumcision is seen as an act of violence, which is why they would not be interested in the Laws of Moses.

    For victims such as myself, I think I carry it as a traumatic memory lodged in the subconscious that I cannot really "see", perhaps because my brain refuses to think of it.

    We were told it was for "cleanliness", and I just chalk it up to a series of routines that doctors automatically started doing in the twentieth century.

    But this, among many other things, I would have to say is a military tactic used against a civilian populace.

    It perhaps may be culturally different in other places. Here, the tincture of Zionism seems rather widespread. Difficult to sort it from the way of thinking that went on in those times.
    Thank you Shaberon – for the points you are making and the personal honesty. Yes, the Mandean's:“circumcision is seen as an act of violence”. It is an act of violence. “Why “correct” what God/Nature has so well provided for?

    (Whenever we sever the link between Beauty and Sexuality we get sick – as persons and as societies. As I contended elsewhere, I deeply feel/believe that our “job” here is not escaping in rapture but incarnating better. Hence love for all Nature’s forms, and in the first place our own. John Paul II on Adam and Eve (quoting from (bad) memory): “They were nude but unashamed. The nude body is beautiful.” Is the most beautiful, I would say. All concepts of artistic beauty are derived from Nature’s, i.e. bodily, beauty. (That is the profound justification of Aristotle’s mimesis theory about art imitating nature. Because Plato’s Ideas, i.e. the Eternals, the Divine, are the Ones who love to incarnate the most. That’s why Jesus chose to stay instead of being napped away by angels.)

    Back to the topic of its link with the Zionist madness. It needs to be explained with what goes beyond what you call “Hebrew”, certainly, and beyond Semitic: it is anthropology that shows us the links really clearly: it is about tribal insistence on giving up personal happiness for the expansion (not the survival: the expansion) of the tribe. Africa, to a large extent, and Oceania, to a large extent. And "out of Africa”: Egypt and then the Semitic world. Although.. it is little known, but the Qur'an does not require circumcision. It has become more or less compulsory in the Islamic world as the “Imitation of the Beloved” (i.e. Muhammad) is very important and Muhammad was circumcised. Speaking with my Muslim acquaintances about such matters: the general non-violent (i.e. non-literalist and non-fundamentalist) opinion is that it is not required if one wishes to convert. Conversion to Judaism is practically impossible without it (because of the link with what I call the "enslavement to the divine” (the tribal god of the Old Testament)).

    A book that should be read by who is interested by the "history of our sexual unhappiness" was written in the 60s by Jos Van Ussel, the Belgian sociologist who taught at Nijmegen (or Utrecht? I am hesitating) University in the Netherlands. Its title is "History of the Sexual Problem” (Geschiedenis van het seksuele probleem) and essentially locates its inception in the mid-19th century in the British Empire. It was there that a cruel and all-pervading "War on Masturbation" was started, which involved the creation of the weirdest imaginable apparatuses that pubescent boys had to (be) put on in order to prevent hem from getting a little too distracted when the glory of the Empire was sung again in order to prepare them for the First World War slaughter. The "before" that event is sung in Walt Whitman’s Leaves of Grass and by all romantic poets (Keats, Shelley, Byron, Wordsworth, to quote just the British ones – and Blake as their precursor). Thereafter streamlining maleness was te paramount objective — and I formulate here a bold hypothesis about the “how come” of that streamlining: because (1) weird practices (strange, and often more cruel, variants of the “classical” Semitic circumcision) were being encountered by British explorers the world over and understood by them in their role as a tool of "expansion of the tribe” and hence as examples to be imitated, and because (2) the influence of Jewish politicians on British politics became stronger (the consequences of which have been amply documented) as the mores of Judaism were (secretly) seen by many as superior.

    The truth is that the Divine does not require such “sacrifices” or rather requires us not to make them. I occasionally tease (half-tease and half-punish) my Jewish acquaintances with the parallel of "divine circumcision" with the Aztec practice of tearing hearts out of people’s chests. Because both justified cruelty as a sacrifice to be made to the gods. Millennia after the “Real Flood” (the “Greenland catastrophe”) different people were reacting differently. Some became and remained slaves of their gods and were ready to self-mutilate and mutilate to placate their gods. In other cultures the Gods were seen to be kinder (maybe because Nature was understood to be kinder?). Comparing certain Biblical passages with Vedic Hymns is quite an eye-opener.

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    Just to add a thought: please consider what I have written about "divine circumcision" as a system of "human cruelty in order to avoid divine cruelty” with this odd “slip of Desire" formulated by one of the Adorably Sweet Jewish Boys: not only should the Arab prisoners be “raped” but they should be anally tortured by inserting a “dildo” adorned with all kinds of sharp and cutting edges.

    In a culture that destroys sexuality in order to placate a psychotic god it is the most telling “Wiederkehr des Verdrängten” ("return of the suppressed") that males are tortured at the precise spot where a lovingly penetrating penis would bestow a "prostata orgasm" to the penetrated one, which is superior to penile orgasm and quite frequently creates the latter in its wake.

    The French secret services did not forget to make that point either when Mu'ammar Khaddhafi was mortally wounded with a bayonet.
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