An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by John (here)
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This too shall pass

It has happened before it will most likely happen again.

As predicted - groups will split and reform.

It is a gradual and natural process.

People grouping into clusters of like mindedness and vibration. Same in forums as in real life.

There are no clear winners today, no clear losers.

We are just individuals at play in our roles, just people being part of the one infinite creator doing its through the great illusion of third density - an illusion that wanes for us, some days more than others.

Final thought for this rough day: "What is done in the dark, will be shown in the light"

John..

It is one of the cycles of life.
We can't stay with the same people our whole lives, but it is how we depart that shows who and what we are.

[Shairia]

No your wrong about that Lord Sith/Charles/Atticus, it's how we treat people along the way that really shows who we are.

[Teakai]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Maybe a good thrashing with some rhubarb, but banning? No.
Hang on, you might like the rhubarb thrashing.
Ok, I shall ponder this.

Hmmmmm, first threats with carrots, and now with rhubarb - there's something not very fishy about this.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Can somebody please PM me the "forum next door" Richard speaks of in his final message. Thank you.

[Shairia]

Posted by John (here)
.........


This too shall pass

It has happened before it will most likely happen again.

As predicted - groups will split and reform.

It is a gradual and natural process.

People grouping into clusters of like mindedness and vibration. Same in forums as in real life.

There are no clear winners today, no clear losers.

We are just individuals at play in our roles, just people being part of the one infinite creator doing its through the great illusion of third density - an illusion that wanes for us, some days more than others.

Final thought for this rough day: "What is done in the dark, will be shown in the light"

John..

Yes John some of us always knew your role, didn't we????

[Inanna]

Seems to me (but I'm a newbie here) that there are a lot of members here with way too much free time on their hands...

[Shairia]

Maybe you lost your way and should be logged in at the other forum.

[write4change]

Modwiz.

I am going to take a ritual bath now. I just spent a lot of time posting to the thread that got closed. I thought it was very reflective and raised the right questions. I wanted you and told you I was interested in your answers. If you think it is a valid post. Please repost it here so we can see what others think too.

[Isthatso]

Posted by John (here)
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People grouping into clusters of like mindedness and vibration.

John..

Yes......I agree and can feel it.

Warm wishes...

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Shairia (here)
No your wrong about that Lord Sith/Charles/Atticus, it's how we treat people along the way that really shows who we are.

That is also correct.
By the way, why do you make this insinuation that I am Charles?
That shows us more about you than me.
I am not Charles/Atticus.
Why are you determined to keep the flames going?
Why can't we just drop this and move on?

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Maybe a good thrashing with some rhubarb, but banning? No.
Hang on, you might like the rhubarb thrashing.
Ok, I shall ponder this.

Hmmmmm, first threats with carrots, and now with rhubarb - there's something not very fishy about this.

Nope, not fishy, makes too much mess and smell.

[Gone002]

I would love to see a rhubarb thrashing

lets all chill, sidious any subjects you would like covered. i enjoyed your thread on the Nazis and the occult.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

thanks for the pm.s I will take a look. Cant see me leaving avalon however.

[Icecold]

This thread is starting to wilt....

Spook

[Helvetic]

Time to move on and focus on more important things. There is always change, it's a natural process.  

[doodah]

Bill, THANK YOU for finally giving us the facts! It has been fairly unbearable to read these threads with all the vague accusations which Celine would not clarify even though she was asked to many times. It was amazing to see so many people jumping into the fray with NO FACTS, no way of understanding what all the fuss was about.

This thread got all the way to page 28 before the facts were laid out. If that was the earliest possible opportunity to do so, so be it, but the sooner we know the issues, the better. Probably none of this should ever have been made public but since Celine made it public, a public clarification was needed to lay things to rest. No one but Bill and the mods and Celine and whoever else was involved can argue the facts. But for the rest of us, we could finally understand why Celine was upset -- a thing that was a mystery for far too long.

On the whole I don't know what has been accomplished here, but I do agree that all of the strife originates at other levels and we need to raise our conscious awareness about that. It probably behooves us to automatically look FIRST to those other levels. Maybe we should remember to think about those interdimensional beings who just love to feed on our anger and discord. We take back our own power if we consciously decide whether we want to feed them or not, but first we have to remember that they are there.

Namaste to everyone, and I thank many of you for your wonderful posts.

[ponda]

What is happening now might be a good chance for everyone to watch their thoughts and reactions closely and learn from the experience.There definitely seems to be a wave of disruptive negativity passing by us.I suspect that it will soon pass and things will settle down peacefully and normalize again.The good thing is that we can learn from this and it will most likely pass again so next time we will be better prepared for it.


cheers

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by ponda (here)
What is happening now might be a good chance for everyone to watch their thoughts and reactions closely and learn from the experience.There definitely seems to be a wave of disruptive negativity passing by us.I suspect that it will soon pass and things will settle down peacefully and normalize again.The good thing is that we can learn from this and it will most likely pass again so next time we will be better prepared for it.


cheers

Priceless advice. Let us not waste this whole thing by not learning the lesson/s that it contains.
Let us all, those still here and those not, extract something positive we can use to advance us one more step on that loooooooooooong road.

[sandy]

Dear Bill,

Thank you for sharing your truth and take on all that has happened. I can hear your pain, and weariness and do have compassion for how misunderstood, and battered you feel.

However, I believe that a sore has been festering for a long time here at Avalon and to be blunt it is like a boil. The plug has been expelled but not all the goo...................................too be less graphic

Your long disclosure was enlightening re: your and others actions and it depicts understanding of how things went down. I also understand that the others are experiencing their truth as to how it went down. The old saying goes as you know...Three sides to every story....your, mine and the Truth.

The truth can only be truly arrived at when individuals are courageous enough to take an honest look at their ego and it's hidden agenda's and in My perception I don't see much of this happening................................as there are many hidden agenda through out all of this. I believe your concepts of letting things fall out have created what has fallen out. I wonder why with all your experience and wisdom at knowing what would happen for Avalon once you introduced Charles (as you previously stated) you wouldn't be as firm then in taking charge to ensure the team was prepared instead you chose to sit back to watch the outcome. Run away train..............yes!!!!

But who was the Conductor???? I keep waiting for you to take some ownership in this and not just deflect, justify and rationalize your own behavior. I understand you were feeling undermined and rightly so, but have you asked yourself why you may have been persecuted..................... You explained how you will always fight for the underdog and in this do not seem to understand that that is your choice and there are consequences that come with choice. Especially when fighting for the underdog means often, to rescue someone you deem is persecuted. I posted once before about the Victim/Rescuer/Persecutor paradigm.

I also don't understand how you can"t seem to or won't piece together where this all started. At least in my perception, your need to support Charles has created a team to establish HIS HIDDEN AGENDA and what ever yours was may now have disintegrated somewhat. Your choice.

You say things are in constant flux to paraphrase and Avalon will move on with the changes. I say Avalon may appear to move on with the changes but I'm not sure that it will not again meet the same problem down the road. When one can so easily discard people as casualties along the fallout and transition of change, it would appear that moving forward with agendas is the priority and not moving with the people; thus will Chaos not happen again.

This is a public forum and true lasting growth can only happen when there is true transparency. There has been no real understanding of what introducing the material and Charles to Avalon was about or what purpose or value it has, still to this day. Where is the transparency in this. We are asked to trust and be patient and I believe most of us have. We are going into our 3rd month and still no clarity or transparency. Do you think people are beginning to feel paranoid due to all the hidden agenda's they perceive may be going on.

Don't you think we have enough of this kind of B.S. going on all over the world??? Do you think that no light on these matters adds to the paranoia and mistrust?? You may be a Super Human Being, but many of us, me included are not there yet. Many of us suffer too and keep it to ourselves, but come here to feel the love and support so many are willing to freely give, you included.

It is not easy to let down your guard and trust freely for those who don't trust themselves (higher self) as yet and play wait and see games for lengthy time periods. People in general don't like to feel hung up for too long. That has been happening here far to long IMHO.

If Avalon is to be a safe place, a place of enlightenment and for people to learn from those espousing it, then one must not forget this. I will use a Metaphor...................If you want to be there and truly help a homeless person, you must go to their spot on the street, hold their hand, share and walk with them until they walk across the street with you and not think that they will take the leap of faith and coming running to you just because you said you will help.

There is much preaching to the gospel here at Avalon. Walk with me, talk with me, and please don't talk AT me. Don't tell me, show me. All the Masters of the World walked their talk.

Bill I respect all your hard work and your loving heart, but you like all of us have weaknesses. I know that I am at my truest and strongest self when I have the courage to say I'm scared, lost, alone, hurt, and vulnerable. I respect and honor all who do this as it is a real sign of strength and courage. It takes this same strength and courage to say I made a mistake, I wasn't truly aware of my deepest need or intention and my self integrity was not investigated to it's fullest, I was wrong etc. In this is the real lesson and the Lord knows how many times I have to learn this lesson. Damn Ego!!

Anyway Bill, I hope that trust can be rebuilt soon and that you find some peace in your choices.

[ponda]

Lord Sidious said:

Priceless advice. Let us not waste this whole thing by not learning the lesson/s that it contains.
Let us all, those still here and those not, extract something positive we can use to advance us one more step on that loooooooooooong road.

So true.

There has to be a positive way of looking at this and learning from it.


cheers

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by ponda (here)

Lord Sidious said:

Priceless advice. Let us not waste this whole thing by not learning the lesson/s that it contains.
Let us all, those still here and those not, extract something positive we can use to advance us one more step on that loooooooooooong road.

So true.

There has to be a positive way of looking at this and learning from it.


cheers

If we don't, then we WILL repeat the cycle.
And we can't do that, there is a shortage of carrots now, due to the nuggetry displayed here and all over.
I am thinking of using cactus instead.