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    Russia Repels ‘Fool’s Crusade’ in Kursk Region as Ukraine Redeploys Troops to Donbass
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    One security analyst commented on Moscow’s discipline in maintaining “operational silence” as it moves to eject Ukrainian troops from its territory.

    Volodymyr Zelensky surprised observers in early August when he announced that Ukraine had launched a risky incursion into Russia’ Kursk region.
    The maneuver began on August 6 when at least 1,000 Ukrainian troops attacked the Russian border using tanks and armored vehicles. Coming amid discussion among Ukraine’s Western allies of allowing the country to launch strikes deep within Russian territory, the audacious operation briefly created favorable headlines for the Kiev regime after months of steady losses as Russia continued to push westward towards the Dnepr River.
    But the incursion may have been designed simply for political consumption in the West rather than as a legitimate attempt to turn the tables in the Russo-Ukraine conflict, suggest some observers, with Kiev sacrificing valuable troops and equipment in its struggle to control a tiny patch of Russian territory. Security analyst Mark Sleboda joined Sputnik’s Fault Lines program Wednesday to discuss Ukraine’s presence in the Kursk region, which Moscow has significantly repelled in recent days.

    “Russia has evidently, very quietly, in the last three days – we're going on the fourth day now – begun at last a major counteroffensive in the Kursk region,” said the international relations expert. “The Kiev regime… weren't talking about this at all because they don't like the results. And Russia, they often keep operational quiet. We've known that, right?”

    The security expert has previously commented on Moscow’s discipline in maintaining “operational silence,” which it demonstrated during its liberation of the important city of Avdeyevka earlier this year. The Russian Ministry of Defense studiously avoided commenting on events in the city as Russian troops executed their successful operation, taking care not to give Kiev and its Western backers any information about what was in store.

    Ukraine has often taken a very different approach, Sleboda noted, such as during 2023’s failed counteroffensive which was followed by eight months of hype in Western media. The country released “movie-quality trailers,” the analyst noted, attempting to build excitement for the operation in the Western press.
    The unusual strategy suggests the importance of Kiev’s propaganda war alongside its conventional one: politicians have struggled to make the political case for continuing to fuel the proxy conflict as polling shows the Western public has increasingly turned sour on the idea. Anti-establishment parties across the ideological spectrum have meanwhile seen a surge in support across Europe – most recently in Germany – as voters question the wisdom of continued economic and military backing for Ukraine.

    “[Russia] have already recovered 10 settlements,” Sleboda reported. “Roughly in terms of the number of settlements and the area recovered, about 10% of the total Kursk incursion just went away in the last three days. We didn't even know it happened until it had already happened. And, of course, by all accounts it's still extending on.”

    “The Kiev regime has begun withdrawing forces from Kursk [region] in the last week and sending them back to the Donbass, sending them to, in particular, Pokrovsk and Selidovo out of panic. So Russia says, ‘well, we've gotten all we really need out of this,’” Sleboda noted. “[Ukraine] don't have any more Western vehicles for us to destroy, and they're pulling troops out. Time to wrap this baby up. And that appears to be what they're doing.”

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    An important new statement by Putin, just a few hours ago.

    Simply put, without the diplomatic niceties: if Ukraine is assisted by NATO to launch missiles deep into Russia, Russia will be at war with NATO.

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    PUTIN: THE FULL STATEMENT

    The FULL Statement on the "permission" by US and UK for long range Western missiles attacking the territory of the Russian Federation:

    "There is an attempt to substitute concepts. Because we are not talking about allowing or prohibiting the Kiev regime to strike at Russian territory. It is already striking with the help of unmanned aerial vehicles and other means.
    But when it comes to using high–precision long-range Western-made weapons, it's a completely different story. The fact is that, as I have already said, and any experts will confirm this (both here and in the West), the Ukrainian army is not able to strike with modern high-precision long-range systems of Western production. It can't do that. This is possible only with the use of satellite data, which Ukraine does not have — this is data only from satellites of either the European Union or the United States, in general, from NATO satellites. This is the first one.
    The second, and very important, perhaps key, is that flight missions to these missile systems can, in fact, only be carried out by military personnel of NATO countries. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this. And therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not to allow it. It's about deciding whether NATO countries are directly involved in a military conflict or not.
    If this decision is made, it will mean nothing more than the direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, and European countries in the war in Ukraine. This is their direct involvement. And this, of course, significantly changes the very essence, the very nature of the conflict. This will mean that NATO countries, the United States, and European countries are at war with Russia. And if this is the case, then, bearing in mind the change in the very essence of this conflict, we will make appropriate decisions based on the threats that will be created to us."

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    Putin Meets Lieutenant Colonel Who Risked His Life to Save His Soldiers in Kursk Region

    Alexander Danilov commanded the battalion from the first days of the Ukrainian Armed Forces invasion. He led more than 30 wounded soldiers and civilians out of encirclement, returned and called enemy artillery fire on himself. As a result of the shelling, the man was injured.

    At the same time, Danilov’s unit managed to destroy up to 8 reconnaissance groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and take a Ukrainian prisoner

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    Lavrov -
    Kiev was allowed to use long-range weapons against Russia long ago:

    We have no doubt that the decision to lift restrictions on the use of long-range weapons to attack the territory of the Russian Federation was taken long ago, and now they are trying to make it look prettier and more respectable in the public space. We understand perfectly well that the West has called this war against Russia an existential war. The goal is to inflict a strategic defeat on us, but once again, I would like to remind you that other great figures in the history of international relations, including Napoleon and Hitler, had the same goals, and it is not for nothing that many foreign politicians who remain reasonable periodically remind their more zealous colleagues that it is disastrous for them to forget these lessons of history.

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    The Ukrainian Armed Forces are experiencing a shortage of modern vehicles to form new brigades – Forbes

    According to the publication, last fall Ukraine began to form the first of 11 units, which after six months of preparation were supposed to be at the front. However, the process was slowed down due to an acute shortage of modern weapons.

    The 154th Mechanized Brigade is cited as an example, which still uses BMP-1s from the 1960s, as well as French and American armored personnel carriers from the 1970s and 90s.

    The article states that since the summer of 2023, deliveries of Western armored vehicles to Ukraine have slowed down significantly.

    NATO demilitarization is not a myth.

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    🇵🇱👤 Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski stated that the European Union should stop providing benefits to Ukrainian refugees, as these payments diminish Ukraine's mobilization potential.

    Ukrainian refugees under EU protection receive 200 euros per month for each child in the family. <...> This creates financial barriers for young people who should return home to defend their country. Europe should not subsidize disobedience,
    Sikorski stated.

    As Mr. Zelensky said in 2022: "I am very grateful to my Polish brothers and sisters who support us."

    Keep informed https://t.me/EastCalling

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    The Ukrainian Armed Forces created concentration camp - like entities for civilians in the Kursk region , according to a report by the Russian Foreign Ministry on the Kiev regime's terrorist attack in the Kursk region. Civilians who did not want or were unable to leave the territory were forcibly driven into them.

    In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces could have used Kursk residents for filming propaganda stories by foreign journalists.

    📍The information comes from numerous data provided by witnesses and collected by the headquarters of the Russian Red Cross in Kursk, where relatives of missing residents contacted, RIA Novosti reports, citing a report.

    Source: Zvezda

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡- Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelenskyi, finally publicly acknowledged Russia's forward-operations in the Kursk region, saying "Russians have launched counteroffensive actions in the Kursk region, everything is going according to our plan".

    The current situation in Kursk (shown on the map), Russian forces, in 72 hours, have recaptured 13 towns and 221 sqkm.
    - Rerum Novarum

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    ❗️Frontline Update for the Evening of 12.09 at 21:30.

    Here’s what’s known so far:

    Zelensky has claimed that Russia’s counteroffensive in the Kursk region is part of Ukraine’s plan, as we had previously reported.

    ▪️ After the partial collapse of the western flank of the Kursk salient, Ukrainian forces attempted to attack the Glushkovsky district from Sumy Oblast.

    ▪️ Meanwhile, Russian marines and paratroopers continue pushing in the direction of Lyubimovka and Tolstoy Lug, liberating Russian land from Ukrainian control.

    ▪️ A video has surfaced from the village of Krasnooktyabrskoe in the Kursk region, which was liberated by servicemen from the 106th Airborne Division.

    ▪️ The Russian Aerospace Forces are also fulfilling Ukraine’s supposed plan by reducing the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ numbers through airstrikes in the Kursk region.

    At the same time, mobilization in Ukraine is impacting more and more cities—people are being beaten, humiliated, and abducted, only to be sent to the frontlines as cannon fodder in a few weeks.

    ▪️ The Dmitrovsky Bridge between Pokrovsk and Mirnograd was destroyed, complicating enemy logistics.

    ▪️ In the town of Ukrainksk, assault groups advanced to the south and east. The situation remains tense for the Ukrainian forces there. There is also minor progress toward Lysovka from Novogrodovka.

    ▪️ Reports indicate that on the Kurakhovka front, Russian forces managed to advance and secure positions in the settlement of Ostre.

    ▪️ In recent days, significant progress has been made in the so-called pocket between Krasnogorovka and Galitsynovka, with Russian fighters capturing tree lines and strongholds.

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    🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦 Footage from the Glushkovsky district, where the enemy is trying to break through to strike the flank of the advancing troops
    ▪️Our soldiers have repelled numerous attacks by the occupiers in the direction of the village of Glushkovo in two days, who are desperately trying to prevent our counteroffensive in the Korenevsky and Sudzhansky districts.
    ▪️The enemy cannot achieve success and is conducting indiscriminate shelling from tanks at the houses of civilians in the border area.
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    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Chronicle of a special military operation
    for September 12, 2024

    Russian troops launched another series of strikes on enemy targets in various regions of the so-called Ukraine. One of the strikes hit the 330 kV Konotop substation, causing temporary problems with the power supply in the settlement of the same name.

    In turn, Ukrainian formations again launched drones at the Murmansk region. Russian anti-aircraft gunners intercepted enemy drones in the Olenegorsk area, seven kilometers from the Olenya airfield.

    In the Kursk direction, Russian troops are advancing in the Korenevsky and Sudzhansky districts: during the fighting over the past 24 hours, several populated areas have been liberated.

    In the Kupyansko-Svatovsky direction, units of the Russian Armed Forces expanded the control zone north of Peschanoye, occupying one of the forest belts.

    In the Pokrovsk direction, Ukrainian formations carried out a counterattack northeast of Novogrodovka, landing troops in the Orlovka area.

    In the Donetsk direction, successes of the Russian Armed Forces are being recorded to the west of Krasnogorovka in the direction of Ostrom.

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    [B]West colonial pride don't recognize any red lines on land or sea around the globe.


    On paper, it is the absurd Truman Doctrine, a re-launch of the sidelined ideas from the Coolidge and Harding Administrations of the 1920s. Brought to you by Fascism under any name. Homegrown laboratory. Sorry to have to say it. But it won't go away on its own. Might have seemed a bit purposeless and quiet at the end of the Cold War, so, here we are in another dedicated re-vamping, which in itself proves the architects were always Liars.
    Indeed,then Nuclear War...is the only way?


    Let's see. It comes on the heels of the United States using atomic weapons on the civilians of two Japanese cities. The "reason" they did this was a Lie. Soldiers were told it was necessary, because every Japanese civilian would fight to the death, and we would have to invade the Japanese mainland with millions of troops.

    From what I can tell, it was really a Message to the U. S. S. R. -- here we come, look what we've got.

    The doctrine itself is more like a marriage of Insane British Russophobia to Insane American Sinophobia. John Birch has been terrified of China since the 1850s, for the corresponding reason -- they're about to invade the U. S. mainland with millions of troops. This concern was eventually followed by the Office of Naval Intelligence, whose task was to determine a solution for the American Navy to have been found lesser and weaker than that of Chile.

    In that sense, no, nothing nuclear has anything to do with the doctrine, which is more like racism with window-dressing.

    I am still not sure what to think about the supposition of a Total War faction, and/or involving the use of nuclear weapons. Part of that can be mitigated, because Russia can destroy installations with conventional weaponry. However, as they have made clear they *do* support nuclear First Strike as a deterrent if they feel it necessary, then, I don't really have a name or word for trivializing this or acting like it is something you can play around with.

    Up to that level, no, there is not much limit to the forms of madness to be unleashed. I'd suggest a Peak Oil concept, as if our extremist faction can't proceed with Infinite Growth, then it will go into Diminishing Returns. I think it will dissipate its energy and get smaller and smaller. It could actually become more dangerous while this is going on. Forward placement of long-range and nuclear-capable weaponry would be a symptom of this. That's a bad idea for anyone--ok, now you're a Target.

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