Is CIVIL WAR in America coming?

[ZenBaller]

Genuine realistic question: what does civil war mean practically for you? Apart from a few thousand unorganized preppers here and there, a small number of extremists, a few thousands actual soldiers and people from the lowest social classes who are marginally socialized in each city, no one else is able to make war.

We are living in an extremely soft period regarding physical violence. The vast majority of people watch TV, argue online in comments, are obese and are completely alienated from any form of war, apart from what they see in movies.

The "civil war" concept which comes from the early history of the USA is no longer applicable. It's more of a illusion of a time that is long gone. The battle now is all about mental, emotional, energetic manipulation. Physicality will only be needed in small altercations that will end in a matter of days at most.

[Michel Leclerc]

Posted by Lilyofthestars (here)

Such "films” are part of predictive programming and as such part of propaganda. Propaganda compels to believe in lies, to aspire to evil and to admire ugliness.

Yes, partially, and sometimes they're honest considerations of an accumulation of decades of observations regarding the cultural condition of human beings, in this case particularity in America. I just said I didn't take it entirely seriously.

I did say what I do take seriously is a lifetime of visions which predates the "predicative programming" infiltrating our media. My visions came before I had ever seen such a film or read such a conspiracy theory in my life. I have a right to take them seriously whether they are funny, foolish, or nonsense to those ignorant souls around me.

I have met many people exactly like the country types depicted in this film. By the 100's. In fact there are millions of American men right now stock piling guns and preparing for civil war. They were doing it before the fancy War films about civil war in America were being released left and right. They have never trusted our government and yes, they are prepared.

With all due respect, I have lived amongst all types of people as an American and have observed much regarding the cultural state of things. Have you lived here?

Thank you Lilyofthestars. (Just to make sure we understand each other: I did not state that they are “in part” propaganda, I said or implied that they are entirely (part of) propaganda. I.e. the Evil Ugly Liars use films as propaganda tools.)

Films are not art because most of the time they use storylines. For thirty forty years we have been bombarded with the story meme. Those who know the corporate world and are not that young anymore will remember how suddenly there was this idea that company policies should be phrased as stories. The modern variant of it is "narrative”. Wars are won when a narrative has won (which is not true, but the meta propaganda that it IS true is the narrative that has won). As Bruce explained elsewhere on PA: in stories there is the hero who wins and the villain who loses. Or: there is somebody who wins/survives and that is the hero – and there is somebody who loses/dies and that is the villain. Paradoxical variants abound. (The story that it is not a story is a story.) But the story is NOT reality. In reality there are people who die and are heroes, cowards and “psychopaths” who win. Processes are not resolved in a victory and a defeat, victory and defeat are rather concurrent and never-ending.

Art, real art, as I said, is about reality. There are of course films that are real art. But the typical big-audience gigantic-budget films are just and only propaganda. Rather than learning from their "artsiness", we might learn from studying in which way they are propaganda – or predictive programming.

A big-budget film about "civil war” makes palatable to what extent the type of civil war the Ugly Evil Liars want to happen is effectively propagandised.

But.

Your, our own anticipations, visions, dreams, deep-rooted feelings etc. are NOT propaganda. They rather hone our, your capacity for discerning the propaganda aspect of big-budget “art”.

You write: “I have met many people exactly like the country types depicted in this film.” Is this not proof to the effectiveness of the propaganda? (That is also your point, of course.) When I was a kid in the 50s/60s movie theatres in Europe were bombarded with American Westerns. Cowboy/Indians. Replayed everywhere by kids. That was propaganda from A until Z. “We, the White, are heroes.” The shallowness of Americans nowadays (reality) shows how effective the propaganda was. Those films did not depict, they incited.

What I see in Europe (where I live) is endless and bottomless cowardice. The "collaborationist” mindset, if "collaboration” in its specific sense ("working with the Nazis”) is understandable. Cowardice is hardly better than readily mustered physical violence. This collaborationist attitude I recognise as the result of decennia of political propaganda – relived and justified and passed on by the world of the “selfish family”. In Europe there won’t be a civil war: there will be, or rather, there is, deeply rooted willingness to hurt one’s neighbour – when it is convenient.

[shaberon]

This is not terribly far off:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The only way to 'Take America Back" will be at the state level. The signs of a coming civil war will be the governors of more and more red states pushing back hard against the US federal government.

Ideas of war aside, the only way to do anything is state level. For example, due to the "Civil War", my state and several others were compelled to amend our Constitutions with a "will not secede" clause...in 1971.

The state already has a Constitution, it *is* a country, that's what "state" means". Each can choose to ratify or withdraw from whatever.

Exactly what "pushing back" at the federal government would be, I have no idea. The question is, why would I want to be party to "your" Constitution?

Part of the original, rushed answer, was because it was believed the British might counter attack again, which they did, largely because of The Bank.

My state can defeat the United Kingdom easily.

Therefor, like NATO, the unification is obsolete. Then the United States is in a "collective security agreement" with this country we supposedly gained independence from.

The US is more of a Corporation than a Country. "Diversity is our Strength" is a communist ideology.
The primary conflict (both in the world and in the US) is Globalism vs Nationalism.
China (where he lives and speaks fluent Chinese) isn't communist. It's far more nationalist or fascist. But there's more genuine freedom of speech in China regarding issues such as gender, race, color, and other topics that are verboten in the US. Strong family values in China are also very important (Regarding political discussion in China, however, David says one has to be careful.)

This is true in several ways.

The political "-isms" have no real existence outside of the sphere of their creation. You can't project "communism" onto a Chinese and ever get the truth out of him, because you are not really communicating with him. You don't understand him. So our definitions of political theories are almost useless; no need to get into whether something was "real Leninism" or whatever.

If there was, comparatively, a more meaningful "-ism", you might be able to place on one side:


Globalism --> Economics --> Capitalism, which does not claim to be a "true political theory", but is, rather, a hocus pocus of fiction invented in a newspaper editorial, from which, the class in question has voluntarily taken the name and applied it to themselves.

In this sense, China and Russia both say they are "not Capitalists".

Because they have rejected an English term that they have studied, this is more meaningful than whether a projected theory applies to them.



The U. S. is, of course, in that way "communistic" because of its broadscale systems.

At the same time, it maintains a core thread of Nationalism, for which we should be able to serry and rank them as "true or false".

A Nation is not a state or political system, it is a culture.

An American Nationalist hasn't really got a culture. He has switched the meaning of the word because he means "State". Chinese is a culture, which is part of why it is hard to understand.

It works very differently, as for example you never really own a house or anything else there. Most of the urban areas are owned by the State, and most of the rural areas are owned by a local collective. You couldn't for example own something like Trump Towers--you might be able to get a long lease for forty or sixty years.

Places like China and Japan are very Nationalistic in terms of being avid about their own culture. I am not sure "fascist" would necessarily fit, but, similar traits, that might be thought of as conservative, highly defensive, and so forth, might be appropriate.


That kind of Nationalism is "more true" and probably mankind's only defense against "One World Government".

American Nationalism is closer to the belief that the Constitution comes from God.

Those people are, however, "prepped". In the event of a crisis, "the American people" won't be able to do anything useful, but, my current estimate if the Nationalists near me were to become a "suppressed rebellion", it would take a force of probably around 100,000 to effectively contain them.

Because I know those people have corrupted a name, and, this lair is basically identical to the hive of Zionism, it is more accurate to call them Zionists. There may be a few exceptions, but it is usually the same.

There are, of course, many Zionists in the Internationalist group, but, there are more exceptions.

Is there a huge ideological clash before us, yes, this much seems inarguable.

We have something like an axle of fascism with a wheel of communism going around it.

[shaberon]

Posted by ZenBaller (here)
Genuine realistic question: what does civil war mean practically for you? Apart from a few thousand unorganized preppers here and there, a small number of extremists, a few thousands actual soldiers and people from the lowest social classes who are marginally socialized in each city, no one else is able to make war.

The Nationalists I am talking about *are* the ones who own the businesses, the farms, construction companies, they are the fire department and the teachers.

Nothing disorganized about it.

Fore example, I am in a cluster of probably more that fifty miles of Sheriff departments who refused to comply with some Covid mandates, such as masking. There is a big blob of these, and patches of them here and there. It is the same militia from the 1700s.

The "civil war" concept which comes from the early history of the USA is no longer applicable. It's more of a illusion of a time that is long gone. The battle now is all about mental, emotional, energetic manipulation. Physicality will only be needed in small altercations that will end in a matter of days at most.

The "civil war" concept took over twenty years to develop publicly; that is what schools were for.

I insist it is the same issue, whether to ratify "your" Constitution, or to attest the sovereignty of the State by having it choose its own alliances.

It was expected, and, indeed, hoped, the "small altercation" at Fort Sumter would solve the issue in a matter of days.

From what I can tell, we continue to suffer from the same problems that occupy all of recorded history. I don't quite understand how human times could be "gone" in the sense of irrelevant.

[palehorse]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by ZenBaller (here)
Genuine realistic question: what does civil war mean practically for you? Apart from a few thousand unorganized preppers here and there, a small number of extremists, a few thousands actual soldiers and people from the lowest social classes who are marginally socialized in each city, no one else is able to make war.

The Nationalists I am talking about *are* the ones who own the businesses, the farms, construction companies, they are the fire department and the teachers.

Nothing disorganized about it.

Fore example, I am in a cluster of probably more that fifty miles of Sheriff departments who refused to comply with some Covid mandates, such as masking. There is a big blob of these, and patches of them here and there. It is the same militia from the 1700s.

Hi Shaberon, I absolutely agree with that, you put that fragment of truth very well.

But here are the odds, because the (evil ones) knows about it and they are trying as hard as possible to "buy & corrupt" as much as possible into their side. I was listening to an old discourse of the parasite Luiz Inacio Lula da Silve (current president of Brazil), where he was saying exactly that, and how their efforts were increased into buying and corrupting as much as possible into their sides, so at some point we will have a lot of double agents or wolves in sheep cloths hanging around and infiltrated, sabotage at all levels.

Not saying the Brazilian president will succeed in the end, but looking at current situation of Brazil and actually elsewhere to be frank, we can practically assume they are carrying on with their plans.

I am sure, at some point people can't take anymore and then all hell break lose, the militias will take care of their own peculiar area, and things will have to reorganize once again, but there is 1 important point to take into consideration, nowadays we have DEW and a lot of technology that can make a place go away in a matter of hours. (e.g. Rio Grande do Sul - Brazil, Acapulco - Mexico, Lahaina - Hawaii, etc)

[Bill Ryan]

This new report from Redacted left me a little shocked. (Clayton Morris, the host, was clearly shocked as well.) There's strong evidence here to suggest that the coming 'civil war' will (at least) be between unified, aligned, well-armed American city communities, and illegal immigrants — as in a war repelling an invasion. This report looks at Chicago as a 'ground zero' case study of what might happen VERY soon.

It's powerfully presented, and I'd suggest that every American reader here might take the 20 minutes to watch this... you might feel shocked too.

"THIS is where War in America will start... right here."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nYSWTrgo974

[shaberon]

Posted by palehorse (here)
But here are the odds, because the (evil ones) knows about it and they are trying as hard as possible to "buy & corrupt" as much as possible into their side. I was listening to an old discourse of the parasite Luiz Inacio Lula da Silve (current president of Brazil), where he was saying exactly that, and how their efforts were increased into buying and corrupting as much as possible into their sides, so at some point we will have a lot of double agents or wolves in sheep cloths hanging around and infiltrated, sabotage at all levels.

That is roughly the "schism" that I think people are reacting to as potential "war" inside this country.

One rough approximation is the way that, instead of the federal Department of Education, when we gave out free/mandatory schooling, then, certain publishing companies moved their editorial agenda forward by nesting in all the states individually.

Although I do not agree with the church people, they are very resolute in slamming the door to fear and evil. So they say. In their particular way, they keep corruptive influences flushed. The status quo of South America is not as readily possible here. We might say it almost was, once, which led to the formation of Labor Unions. Industrialists of the 1800s had not many qualms about grinding a human being to bits. Since then, I would say the Science of Economics:


Moves the violence down the street so you don't see it.


Here, you're selling the Image, whereas the brand has its hands in some situation like African coltan, or, say, your school investing in Israeli military industries.

We also have the thing that is very popular with the Nationalists, the AR-15 rifle, which usually boasts a "Made in America" slogan everywhere around it. Presuming the factory here to be "typical", it is called a "Mexican sweatshop" that hires about sixty people. Once a year or so, ICE raids it, and they just stop production for a while and hire new staff.

I personally consider the Mexicans far more "native" than me.

In areas where Nationalists are fewer, you will get a different answer. Something like, yes, this tempest in a teapot could be stirred.

Did anyone ever say Chicago was a nice place? I come from Little Chicago and it wasn't nice. I was told to stay out of Baltimore. Places like that are very different, I am kind of surprised they have lasted this long without some horrendous slaughter. In simple terms, a lot of them are very racist, which is not something that can be verbally reasoned out too well. Doesn't have a good working solution.

I don't know how normal it is for most readers to walk around town and hear shootings, at any time, such as four in the morning, being automatic machine gun fire. For me, it was usually pretty far away, but you can't miss it. I would say the cities are constantly simmering like this on a small scale, almost everything being personal/petty crimes, which is why I would say the neighbors, or, "we the public" are extremely dangerous.

I traded that for the opportunity to be beside a secret military base, so, at least I know it's a shooting range. It is something like a School of Americas co-intel training about the disruption of "a South American country". Sometimes the helicopters rattle my teeth. It's hard to ignore the associated ideas.

[Antagenet]

War is never "civil" what a bizarre name, another inversion from the controllers. The collective murders as I see it will happen like this: criminal, unwanted degenerates along with foreign military operatives now invading USA will be so hated for the $ the US Gov is pouring into them that US Citizens will start a purge, which is just want the controllers want, a useful way to get rid of the world's degenerates. The chinese military plants will hide out and not participate. Then when enough Americans and invaders are disposed of, they. will come out and take control by wearing UN garb and promise order, while dispersing a genetic weapon that kills every race except their own, and oh yes, of course it won't kill jews either.

[Bill Ryan]

Copying this new post from Houman on his thread. Jonathan Pollard, in this Jewish podcast, "doesn't believe for a moment that the United States can stay together", and argues that there are many signs that the US is being "prepared for the inevitability of a Civil War", that "the only thing holding the United States together is the marketplace", and that "there are thousands of illegal migrants that are bent on anarchy". There's a fairly strong anti-Islamic shade to the presentation, but it's hard to disagree with many of the opinions shared.

Posted by Houman (here)

Jonathan Pollard: Civil War Soon To Break Out In America

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=56kbbm6ssGA

[Denise/Dizi]

Let the traitors have their convention in Chicago, PLEASE have your convention in Chicago. I would love for nothing more than the Democrats arriving there, and having to deal with those that are being displaced, as we ALL are dealing with fall out of these policies, and the social injustices being imposed upon those American citizens whose homes and rights are being taken away from them, and being bestowed upon illegals.

People have a misconception that Americans aren't tolerant of immigration. Not true, our country became what it is as a direct result of such things. But it requires a process in which those coming here, follow the rules we all live by. These individuals are not going through this process, and are just being given anything they want, at the expense of the Americans being pushed out. If they're going to allow illegals to come in and not be accountable to the same things we are? it's going to be a free for all, and we are quickly getting there.

And the rules do not apply to them. These individuals have no desire to conform to the American way of life, but intend to bring their ways with them. The same ways they are hoping to escape.

The tides have to change and change quickly... And it will be a violent conflict. Not only will we be fighting for our land but we will also be fighting those traitors from within. It won't be pretty.

The military should be at our border at this point.. In full force, but the same traitors from within are making sure that doesn't happen... But it's time. Even our local police are suggesting people "conceal carry" privately at this point, they know what's going on... And that's no joke.

What we need to know, is who will have power over the military when the bullets start flying... Because that will determine the outcome.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Not civil war exactly; which implies two similar sides; but maybe one sided (de facto, engineered but denied) genocide of the native european-descended population, enabled at a federal level (like summer 2020 on steroids).

And many local tribal and gang wars.

Or all these, but in context of chaotic civilizational collapse and apocalypse.

And not just the US, but the entire West, maybe the world.

That's the Plan, of one major faction, at any rate.

[T Smith]

Posted by Denise/Dizi (here)

People have a misconception that Americans aren't tolerant of immigration.

That misconception is a fantastic and overwhelmingly impressive trick, really. In reality, America is synonymous with immigration. America and Immigration are virtually interchangeable words, such that the country could well be called the Immigration States of America. The fact is, there is no other country on earth whose population is more reflective of diverse immigration from all corners of the earth than the USA. All those peoples -- who legally immigrate -- jump into a great melting pot of the world to be Americans.... which means something other that transcends heritage.

The dilemma, as i see it, is the conflict between a new brand of identity politics emerging in the USA vs. traditional American cultural values (the ladder transcends identity, sex, race, sexual orientation, and individual identity, in favor of assimilating under a unifying umbrella of culture founded on inalienable rights granted to all by a power greater than any government authority. The former, in contrast, lobbies and seizes government, not only to categorize peoples by identity to curry societal status, but to advance identity designation at the expense of their neighbor's identity status, thus creating an anti-American governmental structure founded on division, resentment, and competing factions within the melting pot. Welcome to America circa 2024.

Simply put, there is a color revolution afoot right here in America, waged by the same intelligence agencies and social engineers that have caused havoc and overthrown duly elected governments around the world, which may well result in Civil War right here in America if We the People don't wake up to it and just so no.

[Denise/Dizi]

Posted by T Smith (here)

The dilemma, as i see it, is the conflict between a new brand of identity politics emerging in the USA vs. traditional American cultural values (the ladder transcends identity, sex, race, sexual orientation, and individual identity, in favor of assimilating under a unifying umbrella of culture founded on inalienable rights granted to all by a power greater than any government authority.

The former, in contrast, lobbies and seizes government, not only to categorize peoples by identity to curry societal status, but to advance identity designation at the expense of their neighbor's identity status, thus creating an anti-American governmental structure founded on division, resentment, and competing factions within the melting pot. Welcome to America circa 2024.

Simply put, there is a color revolution afoot right here in America, waged by the same intelligence agencies and social engineers that have caused havoc and overthrown duly elected governments around the world, with may well result in Civil War right here in America if We the People don't wake up to it and just so no.

I couldn't agree more..

[DNA]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Copying this new post from Houman on his thread. Jonathan Pollard, in this Jewish podcast, "doesn't believe for a moment that the United States can stay together", and argues that there are many signs that the US is being "prepared for the inevitability of a Civil War", that "the only thing holding the United States together is the marketplace", and that "there are thousands of illegal migrants that are bent on anarchy". There's a fairly strong anti-Islamic shade to the presentation, but it's hard to disagree with many of the opinions shared.

Posted by Houman (here)

Jonathan Pollard: Civil War Soon To Break Out In America

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=56kbbm6ssGA

Indeed civil war is coming.
Probably in the aftermath of the coming election which will be stolen again by the
Democrats...
And although I sympathize with the plight of Muslims around the world for the viscous and sadistic acts of war, regime change and stolen statehood inflicted by the west...

The fact remains that there is a blood thirsty desire for revenge in this population and moving them into the homelands of the countries responsible for said atrocities is a recipe for disaster.

[palehorse]

There is one thing American people has on their side, you got a Sheriff on every county in the country, this guy is elected by the people of the county (as far as I know), they are unlikely to have strings attached to NWO or whatever, so it strengths the local community as a whole, how many times we heard local sheriffs not complying with federal orders? In other words they do their own thing, their own way mostly, I am not saying there isn't bad apples in the basket, sure there is.

When the hell break lose, I see many of these sheriffs taking matters with their own hands and with the "militia" they can form on every county, this is one beautiful way to put all these migrants to run over the border of Canada, Mexico, and to the sea, but as in every situation people only take action when things get real bad, so it remain to see, but I believe most of these migrants will be exterminated by angry American people. Godspeed.

Here on this video, Santenello speaks with a local Sheriff, he asked many questions about the migrants, he also interviewed people on gas stations, grocery stores.. it worth watch to get a feeling of people on the ground on this area in the border with Canada.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mXdu8gkNLTk

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this thread.

Back in December 2023, I found myself writing:

Trump will be able to run for the US presidency. There will be court cases right up to the last moment. Trump will be elected, but this will result in something close to civil war (but not a shooting war).

The transition from Biden to Trump seemed to go far more quietly and smoothly than I or anyone else had expected, and so I grew to believe that I was quite wrong about there being "something close to civil war".

But now I'm not so sure. It feels like the unrest in the US is growing (in Canada too), there are deep divisions in beliefs and attitudes (a few of which we've seen signs of here on the forum), and with the recent Tesla 'protests', targeted violence is on the rise.

Chris Martenson today devoted most of an hour and 20 minutes to this. It's instructive, and because it's quite hard-hitting in places, some of it is even a little hard to watch.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QdaUPICGXsg

[Ratszinger]

I get the impression more and more that what is coming to the world is the NEW WORLD ORDER and something a friend of mine said keeps ringing in my ears because this man is Jewish man in Chicago, he always votes Republican and among his fellow Jews he is the minority here of course but his take on Trump was rather surprising this time around for his second term compared to the first term. He was against Trump last time we spoke. I figured he'd be all for it as much as Trump appears to be "Helping'' the Israeli's but apparently not.
His take is that Trump is just one of them playing the public taking them for a ride for the Zionists which he is by the way. (His words) and he says Trump has one job to do while in this time and beside what he'll do for them he is also to bring the USA to it's knees to the NWO can be initiated. Harry says to the Zionists the USA as a tool has about used up it's purpose and is now or will very shortly be in the way of the NWO taking place. In order for the NWO to happen then the USA must fall and lose it's power and standing world wide. Now keep in mind Harry said this to me over a year ago now. I was amazed to discover how long it had been since that call but its date and time are in my phone. It sure looks like he knew something I don't know about you guys.

[Bill Ryan]

[abmqa]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

You've read my mind mate. Things are not looking good at the moment and I can't see how it gets any better in the future. 😥

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by abmqa (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

You've read my mind mate. Things are not looking good at the moment and I can't see how it gets any better in the future. 😥

Yes, there's thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens in all these mostly democrat sanctuary cities (and other towns) all across this nation that I'm sure many of them will do what those in LA are doing right now. It's actually starting to happen in many cities now.

Many have nothing to lose and will fight ICE and other law enforcement to stay in this country. The fuse has been lit.

In my opinion these illegals have the numbers to quickly overwhelm law enforcement in every city to where sending in the national guard and military will be absolutely necessary.

I think LA is showing us right now pretty much what most cities across this nation may look like in the very near future (if this continues to escalate) which I think it will.