Is it all just EGO, "Team" and Tribe?

[thepainterdoug]

One of the most perplexing things I have been confronted with in my adult life is this present insane division among people of truly common interests.

Is it Ego? The need to be right? To have your team, tribe, its reputation protected?

Its beyond me! Nothing at all seems to end this vicious devision.

I recently met a neighbor, female, nice looking gal who we both had some initial attraction to until the vote came up.
She knew I voted for DJT and said to me , " ya know, you can tell a lot about a person by who they voted for"
Ok so now what?What did that mean? I guess that meant to me, were not on the same team, her Harris, , myself Trump Which was correct. Were not.
But that says nothing about our daily lives, who we are, how we live and what we need and value.

She had never seen my Art web page and so I sent it to her.
I thought this without verbal explanation would be a best (in short fashion), way to give her an idea of who I am and for things I stand for.

Not so. she has no interest in my Art activism, such as, truth and inquiry / my whistleblowers,/ or my care and interest for the burn community, their plight as well as all our plights by way of the discriminatory ways we treat people based on their exterior.
And my surreal portraits displaying the oneness of all things

Gee, these things sound like "liberal" things to me. No?

So I am soiled by my connection to Trump, the big bad "anti war, anti big government", pro rule of law by way of the constitution, and making America a great place again person.
Yuk!

What is this? Cannot even discuss. its all taboo, its all to hard and frustrating.

Is it EGO? TRIBE? TEAM?

Or is its something more sinister such as an op, mind control, vaccine madness, and programming?

I don't know. But I do know that many a good and sane soul will miss the opportunity to friend others of similar lives because of this scourge

thoughts?
pd

[Mark]

I think it is all of the above. Tribe, mind control, to generalize.

One on one, people are people. But when we get in groups together, something else happens, especially to those who are not free thinkers.

I think it has always been this way. In times when the human population was not so large and folks lived in isolated and coterminous communities, groupthink was a basic survival mechanism. That is programmed into us genetically, going back to our creation.

Overcoming that is seeking knowledge of Self and the realization that we are truly one family.

A difficult thing to overcome and many people don't think it should be overcome. Becoming a planetary society and, from that, an interplanetary and galactic society is a difficult leap and must occur from the level of the individual to group, from group to tribe.

When we see our enemies as those who live next door to us, it is just more of an indication that we have a long way to go.

What can change that? To me, only an energetic shift at the solar systemic and galactic level, which we just so happen to be experiencing right this moment.

We'll see where it leads. But wherever it is, will be better for the human race's future as a whole. Those of us who reside on this planet, at least.

[Open Minded Dude]

Over-identification with a 'side' (political, or whatever) is not just "tribe". I would call it a CULT.

[Delight]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Or is its something more sinister such as an op, mind control, vaccine madness, and programming?

because I have never met anyone who was passionate about hating Trump who did not watch TV, IMO there is a real connection there between TV and a particular peculiar POV. I say it IS peculiar because as you sort of pointed out, the concrete activities such as your art projects supporting the address of real issues means nothing.

My peculiar experience before election was when my SIL (married to brother) became enraged when I told her I was not sure I would even be voting as IMO there is an element of the Bird with two wings red and blue and the bird flying us into the abyss. She could only fume and rage that IF I did not vote Dem, I was responsible for fascism, etc. etc. and Maybe should be KILLED if Trump won! SERIOUSLY!!! She was quite intoxicated at the time and I do not think she remembered her statement. I have not spoken to her since.

This amount of spite and spitting hatred is NOT REASONABLE and says to me it is a program. She watches TV and all who have this extreme feeling watch TV in my experience.

[shaberon]

It's kind of true, the sad part is that "teams" or "tribes" might be represented by American politics.

The "alternative" is other political and economic systems, not whose greedy hands this one lands in.

If I were to "group" with like-minded individuals, it wouldn't be anyone striving to project will through foreign interference, or, almost anything else coming out in these discussions, so, as someone who is "not on a side" because I find nothing appropriate, I am sure the whole thing can be ignored.

[T Smith]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)

Or is its something more sinister such as an op, mind control, vaccine madness, and programming?

Yes, yes, yes, and yes... among other things, with an emphasis on the last, YES (programming)...

This was posted in the 2024 Election thread--if you haven't stumbled on it, it does provide some insight into all your questions.

[Mike]

Posted by Mark (here)
I think it is all of the above. Tribe, mind control, to generalize.

One on one, people are people. But when we get in groups together, something else happens, especially to those who are not free thinkers.

I think it has always been this way. In times when the human population was not so large and folks lived in isolated and coterminous communities, groupthink was a basic survival mechanism. That is programmed into us genetically, going back to our creation.

Overcoming that is seeking knowledge of Self and the realization that we are truly one family.

A difficult thing to overcome and many people don't think it should be overcome. Becoming a planetary society and, from that, an interplanetary and galactic society is a difficult leap and must occur from the level of the individual to group, from group to tribe.

When we see our enemies as those who live next door to us, it is just more of an indication that we have a long way to go.

What can change that? To me, only an energetic shift at the solar systemic and galactic level, which we just so happen to be experiencing right this moment.

We'll see where it leads. But wherever it is, will be better for the human race's future as a whole. Those of us who reside on this planet, at least.

This reminds me of something I was listening to a few days ago, where Gad Saad was talking about the role of evolutionary biology in all this stuff.

He explains that much of the madness we're seeing now is attributable to biological impulses run amok, or "misfiring" as he says.

Groupthink and tribalism impulses are built into the system because of how they were once necessary for survival, as Mark points out; what we're seeing now with identity politics and pro Trump vs anti Trump etc is groupthink and tribalism run amok, like a corrupted program. And that might be a good way to describe all this strange behavior: biological programs that were once useful becoming corrupted and distorted.

Another example he gives is the empathy impulse. Empathy, he says, has now been distorted into what he calls "suicidal empathy". Examples include prioritizing illegal immigrants over our own poor, starving, and dispossessed. And prioritizing trans men over women when it comes to women's spaces etc

There are loads of examples like this. But basically these histrionics are often the misfiring of biological impulses that were once useful in our past or still are useful currently but in much lower doses.

He talks in length about this on his podcast but here's just a little sampler on Rogan, starting around the 6:35 mark:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QhQCUQlcUZU

[thepainterdoug]

Mike Thanks , this Rogan clip has a good summary, one i have often used on my own with questions like, why do you lock your doors? lock your car? have cameras around your house and property . Why dont you have an illegal living in your spare room? on your spacious property? You have borders. From small to large we all do.
This so called parasitic empathy I also explained as blind hypocrisy .Hypocrisy and virtue signaling.
Its so damn obvious its vexing. But what the true reason for it is out for debate.
i think it is a form of guilt for having things good, yet not making good of the good things you have

[Dennis Leahy]

It's all "framing", specifically character assassination framing. Doug, I'll bet you that woman couldn't talk intelligently about any of the issues, she's been steeping in negative emotion black magic stew, and can not form logic-based thoughts. I still haven't met a Democrat that could list anything negative, any policy or action, of Trump's 2016-2019 term, or his current policy proposals. She has no idea what fascism is, or she would know that the USA is fascist right now (Mussolini's definition of fascism.) And "tyrant"! WTF does she think the Biden clown party was in coercing/mandating poison injections and destroying free speech on major social media! Democrats don't even get that their DNC election process is anything but democratic, and that they have become the more bloodthirsty warmongers.

It's all a spell - a spell cast by the poison pen sloganeers and jingoists of the DNC cabal, multiplied by a million by the Democrat billionaire affiliated mainscream media. Logic bounces off. You're lucky she didn't spit on you.

[dim]

Stereotype: expecting a member of a group to have certain characteristics without having actual information about that individual.
Implicit stereotype: the underlying attitudes and stereotypes that people unconsciously attribute to another person or group of people that affect how they understand and engage with them.

List of cognitive biases

[Delight]

The OP " Is it all just EGO, "Team" and Tribe?

We are living in a moment that is IMO very extraordinary because one can see very clearly how PREDATION of our minds is driving humanity. We have absolutely been farmed, been made into just FOOD by a force. In a very strange way, it is POSSIBLE that we are in a whirl pool of force that we actually created. What IF, life force is already being harvested PERSON to PERSON and has been since we fell into EGO. We saw in the pandemic, how EGO drove the drama. A level of EGO (as an egregore of desire to separate and be GOD) has manufactured the whole inversion? The inversion denies any SOURCE beyond the mind. As a "tribe" we absolutely believe certain fundamentals such AS we must EARN the right to exist by conforming to the SYSTEM, No Matter What it presents to be followed.

We IMO have only one fundamental remedy. That is by disconnecting from the TEAM which gives the rules to us THROUGH the mind. IF we at some point with our power of imagination created the whole Astral realm, THAT might be the trick. STOP believing the mind. Play with your own imagination coming from within. The connection we have to our heart where we connect with that which is NOT of the mind is our salvation IMO. IF we belong in BELIEF to any faction of the mental stratification of the world, we are caught and cannot deviate from its proscriptions. That is how mind works... it creates what we believe and there we are.

IMO this is always how it has been but it is intensifying to a climax?

At the same time, some people enter a new world they CHOOSE deliberately, others will be completely caught up in mental systems they have adopted.

How to deal with normies is going to be intense. The best way to interact is IMO not to expect they will be any different or change due to my words. They will feel our love and compassion when it is genuine. It WILL be genuine because YOU have all you need and generosity is just extending the flow that is always there.

I have cast MY lot with a single belief. I believe we each have a spirit rope in which we will thrive because we are IN this connection. It is so easy to feel compassion for those who believe in the world as cause. IMO at this moment in "reality" we are each faced with a stretching of "what exists" AND the need to stay IN our center with plasma Sentience which is beyond all but personal AND me. I am in a tuition with Source and with MY mother/father Godness. The polarity made me and I am. JUST LIKE YOU, I am a spirit having an experience in a world BUT NOT OF the world.

Try this: be here in this moment without past or future. In this space with no past or future, GOD IS, YOU ARE and then wonder How GOOD COULD IT GET?

IMO there is a shift and many factions trying to delude our minds so we will be disconnected from what IS and LOVES us. I am a fractal of God and have the right to LIFE and just only need to disavow the power of the world. We must KNOW we have energy and may intend GOOD!
The social landscape is the effect and cannot change unless we can change our attention.

A couple of videos... one about Whitley Strieber's interaction with NHI. I think we should decline to interact until we have developed our own state of being to 100% connection to Source.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3Naa4vZ-4e4

The other is actually along the lines of what I imagine, we lay new tracks as we focus on the connection with "God, How Good Can It get?"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Om6KIGTmUDE

[shaberon]

Posted by Mike (here)
Groupthink and tribalism impulses are built into the system because of how they were once necessary for survival, as Mark points out; what we're seeing now with identity politics and pro Trump vs anti Trump etc is groupthink and tribalism run amok, like a corrupted program. And that might be a good way to describe all this strange behavior: biological programs that were once useful becoming corrupted and distorted.

The human organism is a quite unusual creature because:


It gestates for nine months in order to produce a being that is helplessly dependent for years.


From that point, I rapidly form the conclusion that housing and a food supply are worth working for. I respect those stone age survivors who never changed, and, I'm not recommending for myself or others that is the way we must be. I'm willing to trade some amount of "freedom" for the benefits of collective work.

It appears to me to be exploited and grossly mismanaged, for an end product that is not particularly impressive.

If instinctual energy is not channeled properly, delusion results.

The fact that it is physically "guided" makes it easy to do so mentally. In my view, once we establish a certain level of common good, it should have been directed in very different ways. The creatures appear imprisoned by devices of their own making.

[Delight]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
Groupthink and tribalism impulses are built into the system because of how they were once necessary for survival, as Mark points out; what we're seeing now with identity politics and pro Trump vs anti Trump etc is groupthink and tribalism run amok, like a corrupted program. And that might be a good way to describe all this strange behavior: biological programs that were once useful becoming corrupted and distorted.

The human organism is a quite unusual creature because:


It gestates for nine months in order to produce a being that is helplessly dependent for years.


From that point, I rapidly form the conclusion that housing and a food supply are worth working for. I respect those stone age survivors who never changed, and, I'm not recommending for myself or others that is the way we must be. I'm willing to trade some amount of "freedom" for the benefits of collective work.

It appears to me to be exploited and grossly mismanaged, for an end product that is not particularly impressive.

If instinctual energy is not channeled properly, delusion results.

The fact that it is physically "guided" makes it easy to do so mentally. In my view, once we establish a certain level of common good, it should have been directed in very different ways. The creatures appear imprisoned by devices of their own making.

I have recently ben listening to different kinds of podcasts and documentaries and one was with Lee Merritt who describes the symbols of Phrygia and Etruscan/Roman usage like the bundle of fascies which symbolized being a protector of a particular faction of power. I will lnk the video at the end. It represents the idea that through our known history THE SAME tribe of CRIMINALS has ruled by subterfuge and cunning evil actions. I listened to a VERY TALANTED man's deathbed confession. he was IN on the contemporary mob/gov/? collusion and shows some of the way it works. These people are IMO thrilled by the criminality of the lives they choose.

This particular man sounds to be brilliant and spirited in his actions. He was allowed in criminal underworld networks to have an exciting, dangerous and secret kind of life. It strikes me that always, the flower of our human clan is snatched up and used by evil inversion of what I call the GOOD. IMO the beurocracy of the world and the SYSTEM that enslaves our minds present no particularly attractive GOOD that is MORE appealing than crime? Crime comes in all kinds of form but it always involves getting over on another (power OVER) and ability to bend others to one's will. A lowlevel minion weilds the power of the BOSS but experiencies the thrill of overpowering another.

IMO Religion has been the single worst psyop because it disconnects us from authentically GOOD power OF THE INEFFABLE DIVINE, connected to our I am. Connection leads to great mystery and adventure which can make life so meaningfull that one would not trade in EVIL. Once in acertain direction, the only way back is repenting and claiming oneself as greater than any aspect of how we live. It takes a willingness to not BE GOD, but WITH GOD.

Trauma shame and guilt oppress the Spirit. We truly may forgive what we have contributed to OUR own life and take a new path.

MO the Cathars who called themselves the Good People created a culture that was SO meaningful and satisfying in a material way and yet was GOOD in all the ways MY heart knows this energy. OK, so they were destroyed but the SPIRIT of that is all around us. It seems to be looking for us and "I one was lost but now I am found... was Blind but now I see." This is a COMPELLING antidote to EVIL lures.

I am feeling so compassionate about how the best and brightest of all generations are thwarted by the SYSTEM, their minds bewildered and God cut off. I observe it may BE that some genuinely LOVE EVIL and some may learn to LOVE evil because it seems to provide what one might desire to experience? I harp on it but we MUST each reach in and grab God.

Otherwise we are beset by EVIL. Everything looks to be dying. Trading in evil gives whatever is WORTH WHILE in us to DEATH! The world sets us up to destroy and be destroyed. Perhaps EVIL is
OUR unrecognized self HATE. Man's self hate projected into an Egregore that must MURDER what seems the source of shame? The GAME of Death (?) gets so deep!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3z5MgCG4COY

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v5opuqk/?pub=mpxgj

[shaberon]

Posted by Delight (here)
It represents the idea that through our known history THE SAME tribe of CRIMINALS has ruled by subterfuge and cunning evil actions.

Can you be more specific about this?

I might agree that a similar mentality has attempted to "take over" many times, but history is the story of rebuking it. Being actually "ruled" by one dynasty seems to be a bit of a reach. For instance, if we suggest the Cathars represent "a different way", weren't they relatively autonomous in southern France prior to Crusades being waged on them?

To criticize "religion", then, I will use the Pillar of Ashoka to define the diametric opposite of "religion" and deny its effect has been universal.

I, personally, find it is the doctrine of "Covenant" that underlies "religion" arising as the manipulative and restrictive force as described. In fact, I can find it rather concretely expressed that way in the English language in the 1500s. But it is a groundless superstition. Nor does it fully explain "rulership", though I think it may cover a lot of distance in terms of "psyop".

[Delight]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Delight (here)
It represents the idea that through our known history THE SAME tribe of CRIMINALS has ruled by subterfuge and cunning evil actions.

Can you be more specific about this?

Who are the Elite of the Elite? They are not "like us" IMO.

Why is the Phrygian cap a symbol? Maybe they came from Anatolia and have influenced all of the world with their culture using us as food and slaves? In this model, blood matters and people must be severely compromised to be given a "place" because it is a sacrifice SYSTEM.


Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v59pz62/?pub=mpxgj

[shaberon]

Posted by Delight (here)
Why is the Phrygian cap a symbol? Maybe they came from Anatolia and have influenced all of the world with their culture using us as food and slaves?

This has already been met by the counter-claim that Phrygia is Indian Bhrgu, and is an Indian colony from 11,000 B. C. E..


Neither one seems to be quite the case.

Towards the east, there is an influx of Anatolian DNA into the Iranian plateau starting around 6,000 B. C. E., and, it slowly progresses. This is in conjunction with cereals that are Anatolian in origin.

The spread of genetics stops when it gets to India; so does wheat agriculture. Indian "identity", if anything, would be spreading rice into regions that had started using wheat.

Central Anatolia is not noted for technological developments. It is responsible for that sub-species tentatively called Iranian Farmer.

What seems to have happened is that it had some areas that were significant as a source of Tin in the early Bronze Age. After about 2,000 B. C. E., it was called "inadequate", supplemented and replaced.

It is hard to extrapolate how a specifically-Anatolian influence crossed those hurdles.

The Avesta knows nothing of west Iran. As far as we can tell, it represents a separate, un-influenced place. Because it, in turn, is attempting to do the influencing, and, it chronicles this as being extraordinarily difficult, I think it may be a difficult process.


Having that perspective, I will put forward a corollary:


Mycenean Greece took advantage of the Minoan calamity


Let's say this potential problem -- elitist dominance -- arises in almost any place and has been known to happen and was usually stopped or overthrown.

The Myceneans made a type of "economic system", which was then replicated by other kingdoms around the Mediterranean, around the Anatolian and Canaanite coasts. As far as we know, this is by consensus, or strategy, or agreement, which manifests as an international oligarchy. Moreover, it seems to have stood in place for about three hundred years. Afterwards, it is overthrown, everywhere, in classical Greece, repeatedly, but does not regain coherence until the Patricians of the late Roman Empire. As "the west", that is more or less the same bundle of property that we have today.

The other thing that happened a lot was not just violence. It was a known thing in politics. If people could find a better deal somewhere else, they would flee. A whole village might pack up and move. It wasn't always easy to just oppress somebody. The underlying message to be derived from Avesta, Veda, or Orthodoxy, is that the job of government is to prevent exploitation of the poor. So I have to agree, yes, the "presence" of dominators seems apparent almost anywhere, and no, they don't have to dominate, or, that is an unnatural condition.

[Mari]

I've always felt that for humanity to realise Unity Consciousness, it'll take nothing less than a 'event' of some sort - an energetic shift, Galactic in nature, of which as you say, we have just entered.
We are just too full of ourselves at present for any true organic (left to ourselves) awakening to occur within the timeline that the Divine has laid out, so a bit of 'assistance' is being sent to us.

[shaberon]

Posted by Mari (here)
...it'll take nothing less than a 'event' of some sort - an energetic shift, Galactic in nature...

It is my aspiration that Israel and Ukraine are this "event".

The Anglo-European "team" that has driven it is relatively small. And right now, "Multi-cultural order" seems to account for ~85% of the world's population. Therefor it seems to me to have already happened, and, "we" are in the position of playing catch-up in order to maintain relevance.


Those places are such case studies of intellectual tinkering with scriptures, social engineering via education and commerce, unjust laws along with considerable volumes of regular crimes, like enfranchisement of biolabs with diplomatic immunity of the personnel, there is no shortage of complaints to bring up for review. Too many for an individual to ever fully name. The roots are relatively simple though.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)

Is it EGO? TRIBE? TEAM?

Remember years ago when the Jim Jones group all drank the poison koolaid, this isn't much different than that, except on a much grander scale.

They called the death there "mass murder", but, wasn't it mass suicide?

Propaganda and mass conditioning and mind warping has caused a similar cult behavior on steroids!

All the great things that we all have in common and make us a collective human family has been pounded out of many minds and has been replaced with all the things that make us a little different from one another, and weaponized.

A mass induced mental disorder on a level of such evil that it's actually destroying nations.

To banished and separate ones self from family and loved ones because they voted for "the other person" or they don't agree with ones jibberish that makes no sense is a cult like mental disorder.

This cult is very demonic in nature in my opinion, it's almost completely based on hatred, immoral and sickening behavior, and downright evil.

When everything is inverted, upside down, and backwards, it's no wonder we can't make sense out of much any more......

[shaberon]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
All the great things that we all have in common and make us a collective human family has been pounded out of many minds and has been replaced with all the things that make us a little different from one another, and weaponized.

Perhaps "voting" is an un-natural, non-productive contrivance.

Hardly anyone throughout the whole history of the human race would ever consider such a thing. Isn't it the very definition of "marking differences"?

Think of how much saner we would be if we didn't sit around projecting thousands of rules on strangers.

It's better just to build cohesion, a culture, give us those things that bond us together...it won't solve every single problem, but it will dismiss the acid bath.

The U. S. particularly is the death of culture, you can either be whitewashed or you are a "radical" and bound to get in trouble for something.

A Greek I knew summed it up quite patly: "They don't know how to take care of the people".

That's what happens when you are led by businessmen who rely on statistics. If I die tomorrow, that's what I will be...not a fallen brother of a robust culture, just a number with a disposal fee. I don't expect much sympathy.