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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    They weren't censored, Dennis. A series of posts were batched-moved to this new thread, focused on the potential release of the JFK file. I don't know how your reply ended up in this thread. It wasn't anything I did. I made the move two hours before you even posted your reply. Whatever the case your post, and DNA's that you were replying to, have been moved back Trump is not the Answer.
    Evidently, because I was in the Trump is not the answer (TINTA) thread while I was composing a long reply, and during that time you (or someone) moved some posts out of that thread and into this new thread, when I finally hit "submit", my post went to this JFK thread.

    Only a couple of posts that got moved even mention JFK, and even the ones that did were deliberately posting in the TINTA thread. I'd recommend (from my post in members only): [ Well, 2 posts got moved back to the thread, but not all. There really shouldn't be but a few posts in the new JFK disclosure thread. Posts # 3,4,6,7,9,14 and 17 in this JFK thread should also be moved back to the thread where they came from.]

    ...and, after moving the posts back (please), please delete this post, post #23 in this thread, which will be superfluous once the threads are restored.


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    I am not the only one here who is attempting to bring the coming earth changes into focus and into the discussions, but sometimes it feels like I am.
    Perhaps I have been over-compensating, and so it is reassuring to hear that others are sharing my concerns.

    But I think denial largely IS a part of that equation too--not that the changes need to be THE main focus of more discussions, but I really do wonder how many are even considering its import.
    Or how it may be affecting pretty much everything before very long, as the more obvious changes begin manifesting more and more.

    Although the less obvious changes (such as the insanity of the Woke might well be) are difficult to trace back to any particular cause, it would be encouraging if there were more signs of a dawning awarness.
    ...Inasmuch as it may be the duty of those of us who are aware to help make others aware of the vast implications.

    Skillful means can be adopted to make the task easier--it doesn't need to be shouted from the rooftops or be the cause of global riots--that is the very thing to be avoided if possible.
    Avoidance of the issue is understandable since it is obviously a mind-boggling prospect from any angle, but the longer it is put off, the more daunting the task may become.
    And the tasks that can help ensure the survivors have what they need to make the restart as successful as possible.

    Finally, the transition from this lifetime, in the final years of this paradigm to the newly emerging one, will hardly be typical of one incarnation to the next, and expectations need to be adjusted accordingly.
    For one thing, Earth's population will be much reduced after the changes, so many souls will be incarnating elsewhere until such a time as Earth can again support a larger population.
    How to prepare for that mentally, emotionally and spiritually, would be important, and hopefully more will be stepping up to provide support for that kind of transition.

    Some psychics and clairvoyants have posited that there are such large numbers of souls on Earth at this time because many souls from other worlds have come here to experience what this kind of transition entails, as they will be returning to their worlds of origin in order to help prepare those worlds for their own, similar transitions.
    Whether true or not, it sounds logical, and no doubt it would be helpful if those souls could be made more aware of their purpose here.

    Focus doesn't need to be shifted so much from the more concerning issues of the present, but at some point there will need to be more focus devoted to the Shift itself if a realistic and balanced perspective is to be achieved.

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    One can understand the impending disaster cycle event without feeling that every local issue or policy discussion thread is helped by invoking that as the context being left out of the discussion.
    That does not imply denial (at least for me), or a question of comprehension or belief.
    For myself, I want the scales of US Justice balanced in the short term, and the corruption seen and understood, as that to me is an early step in the awakening needed to throw off the pervasive mind-control.
    What do you expect us to do about it?
    • I watch and understand the Suspicious Observer videos
    • I share this info when I find someone open to hearing it
    • I am prepped to the extent I can in the location I am bound to due to aging and infirm parental support requirements
    I imagine that fully-truthed disclosure of the Alien presence and interference, suppressed tech, and weather control and modifications is a necessary pre-req to getting the earth disaster cycle info into any serious global or national planning state.
    Along with that, getting the bloodline families feudalism history and manipulations disclosure is another pre-req.
    None of us here are likely going to be able to get your primary issue focus in front of the public to any meaningful degree at present, so I ask again - what do you expect to be gained from bringing this into so many discussion threads?
    And then suggesting denial for us not responding every time you bring it up?
    My spiritual bottom line is that if I am still alive for it when it happens, it should be quite a (likely short-lived) ride, and if much of humanity is wiped out, perhaps that is the cleanup and restart that the planet and humanity need this time around.
    If this is the timeline that Humanity will Awaken sufficiently in time to preserve the best of this civilization through the transition then great, and I will do my part as I can, but for me personally this is still just one incarnation among many in the ongoing evolution of my soul and our collective human group-soul.
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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Opening this new thread for discussion on the JFK File and Trump's promise to release it. A number of posts have been moved from the Trump is Not the Answer thread where this discussion did not really belong.

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    If Trump releases the JFK Files, and what's in there is what we all think is in there -- that a branch of the deep state, namely the CIA, were meaningfully involved in the planning and execution of Kennedy's assassination, the cover-up thereof, the total whitewash thereof that was the Warren Commission, the silencing and indeed elimination thereof of numerous key witnesses over the years, and the installation thereof of one Lyndon B. Johnson, their puppet in waiting...then yeah, goddammit, I will love him. Because it will mean treason, won't it. High Treason.

    A coup d'état...

    This is the political/industrial/military/war complex we've been talking about for decades. They have, for all intents and purposes, divided, corrupted and ruled the world since the War. No one since Kennedy has had the balls to take them on, let alone pull it off. If Trump really does do this, and those files are as damning as we hope they are, he'll not only prove the "conspiracy theory" true, but that all those "retarded conspiracy theorists" (like us) were correct all along. That has the power to change everything, everything, and I mean, everything.

    But we'll see, won't we.
    Even though I was just a kid, and a British kid at that, I remember feeling shocked and heartbroken when JFK was assassinated because to an 11 year old little girl, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Prince Charming were one and the same.

    So I really hope that Donald Trump makes good his promise so that JFK can finally be laid to rest in the minds of the people. There must be a reason he didn't release them before so there's probably information in there which would endanger the lives of people still living. So I'm thinking the rumours about the involvement of Lyndon B Johnson must be false.
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    Quote Finally, the transition from this lifetime, in the final years of this paradigm to the newly emerging one, will hardly be typical of one incarnation to the next, and expectations need to be adjusted accordingly.
    Yes, upon re-reading my post I was not happy with how I worded that:

    Quote but for me personally this is still just one incarnation among many in the ongoing evolution of my soul and our collective human group-soul.
    - as I also have long felt I chose to be here on this planet at this time for soul-important reasons, a mass awakening or consciousness shift perhaps, or perhaps some collective karmic balancing from failed collective choices during transitions in the past.

    I don't have previous-life details available to my conscious mind at this point, just an intuition that the current time/timeline is key and I am here for it, but it likely took my soul quite a few lives to be ready and in position for THIS.




    Getting back to the current thread focus, I think there is plenty of (at least) circumstantial evidence that Johnson was involved.
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Evidently, because I was in the Trump is not the answer (TINTA) thread while I was composing a long reply, and during that time you (or someone) moved some posts out of that thread and into this new thread, when I finally hit "submit", my post went to this JFK thread.
    It's possible there's a weird little software bug where, if one is sitting in thread [A] and composing a reply to a post in thread [A], and then that post you're replying to gets moved to thread [B], your reply gets automatically moved to thread [B] also, without any input (from me). That's the only thing I can think of as to why your post was caught up in the move.

    As to the other posts which were intentionally selected for the move, you're quite right, as was Jim -- several do not belong in this thread. That's entirely my fault for making the assumption that all were related, tangentially or otherwise, to the JFK theme which, after a period of dormancy, had reignited the thread. I should not have skim-read a portion of these posts, but carefully checked all of them before moving them over. I made a big fat mess and I hold my hand up for that.

    All wrongly moved posts have now been returned to their original location in Trump Is Not The Answer.

    Sincere apologies for the confusion, hopefully order has now been restored.
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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    Quote Posted by Miller (here)
    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Opening this new thread for discussion on the JFK File and Trump's promise to release it. A number of posts have been moved from the Trump is Not the Answer thread where this discussion did not really belong.

    *****

    If Trump releases the JFK Files, and what's in there is what we all think is in there -- that a branch of the deep state, namely the CIA, were meaningfully involved in the planning and execution of Kennedy's assassination, the cover-up thereof, the total whitewash thereof that was the Warren Commission, the silencing and indeed elimination thereof of numerous key witnesses over the years, and the installation thereof of one Lyndon B. Johnson, their puppet in waiting...then yeah, goddammit, I will love him. Because it will mean treason, won't it. High Treason.

    A coup d'état...

    This is the political/industrial/military/war complex we've been talking about for decades. They have, for all intents and purposes, divided, corrupted and ruled the world since the War. No one since Kennedy has had the balls to take them on, let alone pull it off. If Trump really does do this, and those files are as damning as we hope they are, he'll not only prove the "conspiracy theory" true, but that all those "retarded conspiracy theorists" (like us) were correct all along. That has the power to change everything, everything, and I mean, everything.

    But we'll see, won't we.
    Even though I was just a kid, and a British kid at that, I remember feeling shocked and heartbroken when JFK was assassinated because to an 11 year old little girl, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Prince Charming were one and the same.

    So I really hope that Donald Trump makes good his promise so that JFK can finally be laid to rest in the minds of the people. There must be a reason he didn't release them before so there's probably information in there which would endanger the lives of people still living. So I'm thinking the rumours about the involvement of Lyndon B Johnson must be false.
    A great opportunity here to perhaps digest some of this from Wade Frazier's typically astoundingly good contributions.

    And copying this from here (without all the links):
    After I read Gary Wean’s book on the corruption in the county where I was raised, I did not believe the official verdict on JFK’s murder. My father never believed it and I guess that I never did, but my feelings were not strong. But Gary’s account came at the critical juncture in my life. I never doubted Gary’s account of his meeting with John Tower three weeks after JFK’s murder, when he heard about Lee Harvey Oswald’s real role in JFK’s murder: Oswald was part of a backfired CIA operation intended to frame Castro for an assassination attempt on JFK, to goad JFK into finally approving an invasion of Cuba. Twelve years of study later, I published my findings.

    I never saw a credible piece of evidence contradict the Tower conversation, and as more evidence came to light it further confirmed it, such as the Operation Northwoods document, which was declassified several years after Gary published his book. JFK quickly rejected Northwoods in early 1962 but in another amazing “coincidence,” the Joint Chiefs revived Northwoods a year later, soon after E. Howard Hunt recruited Oswald into his fake assassination plan. Both were plans to frame Castro to justify invading Cuba, which on the heels of the Cuban Missile Crisis is about as Strangelovian as it gets. Planning those operations at the same time has to be one of the “coincidences” of the century. Of course, JFK was out-of-the-loop for both operations, which costed him his life.

    Today’s most prominent scenarios on how JFK was killed are very close to what Tower spoke of. However, those leading scenarios miss the fabricated attempt that the operation officially operated under, which would greatly change the dynamics of the cover-up from what an outright murder operation would produce. There is plenty of speculation that Nixon’s downfall also came courtesy of the MIC, when Nixon, in his turn, tried to cool off the Cold War.

    My years of study also included Chomsky’s work. Chomsky and the “left” in general dismissed the significance of JFK’s murder and generally agreed with the Warren Commission’s conclusions (Herman did not, however, and was intrigued by the Tower conversation). I was influenced by their arguments, but only a little. In the 23 years since I first published my account, and especially in the past decade, my views on JFK’s murder have changed somewhat.

    JFK was an anomaly in American politics. His actions as president showed it, but it has taken a lot of revisionist history to make that clearer to me. JFK was no saint and all too human, but the West never had a leader like him before or since. The two presidents before him and the two after him privately called American blacks the N-word, but not only didn’t JFK do that, no president ever treated Africa better than JFK did, which eluded the analyses of Chomsky and friends. Not only did JFK treat Africa as no other Western head of state ever did, he played key roles in many progressive causes. Those effects are still felt today, such as in civil rights, environmental protection, nuclear arms control (including avoiding nuclear war, which was his greatest achievement), grappling with Wall Street, initiatives such as the Peace Corps, his support for the Non-Aligned Movement and the Alliance for Progress, and he was never going to send American ground troops to Vietnam.

    While those stances by JFK can be seen as progressive and humanitarian, although some were driven by anticommunism, they angered the American oligarchy. David Rockefeller was JFK’s public-policy adversary as he represented Wall Street and its “humanitarian” leanings. David's brother Nelson began his run for president against JFK in 1963 and was the early frontrunner for the Republican nomination (and he ran in 1960 and 1968).

    Johnson reversed JFK’s Vietnam policy (to pull out of Vietnam) before he was even buried. Johnson also made 180-degree about-faces on a number of JFK’s policies. Indonesia’s leader, Sukarno, was a founder of the Non-Aligned Movement, which wanted nothing to do with the Cold War – those nations wanted to industrialize. Allen Dulles’s CIA tried to overthrow Sukarno in 1958. Kennedy anticipated a very busy 1964, not only planning to end the Cold War but also making a visit to Indonesia, for which Sukarno built JFK his own house to stay in during his expected visit. When Johnson assumed the presidency upon JFK’s murder, on the Oval Office desk was an aid payment to Indonesia, awaiting JFK’s routine approval. Not only did Johnson refuse to sign it, but a little over three years later the USA backed the overthrow of Sukarno by the Indonesian military, which subsequently murdered about one million people, mainly ethnic Chinese, who comprised the bulk of Indonesia’s Communist Party. The new dictator, Suharto, committed two more genocides in his American-supported reign, in East Timor and Papua New Guinea. In American propaganda, Suharto became a “good genocidist.”
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    Personally I think it's doubtful he will release the unredacted files - from here and listen to Andrew Napolitano, carefully:

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    Concerning declassifications:

    - JFK: .....

    Remember this: Judge Napolitano from March this year:

    "Who are "they"?" (perhaps Bill Hicks was right after all when he 'joked' over 30 years ago now about "..(new President) invited into a dark room somewhere and shown a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle never seen before..")

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    Following on from the above post, more from Wade here linking to the Tower conversation referenced:
    The first edition of There's a Fish in the Courthouse was published in 1987, and tells of a meeting that Gary attended in late 1963. One of Gary's closest friends was Audie Murphy, who was America's most decorated soldier who became a Hollywood movie star. During World War II, Murphy battled hundreds of German soldiers and six tanks single-handedly near Holtzwihr, France, while he was firing a machine gun from atop a burning vehicle filled with explosives. It stands as one of the most heroic feats from any war. Murphy suffered from “shell shock” (now called Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome) for the rest of his life.

    Murphy was from Texas, and Bill Decker, Dallas County's sheriff, was his friend, who also presided over Murphy’s wedding to a Hollywood actress. Decker came to California regularly on business, and when he came to town, Gary would arrange for Murphy, Decker, himself, and his partner to dine at the Police Academy. About two weeks after the JFK assassination, in early December 1963, Decker was in town and they all had lunch together. The topic of conversation quickly turned to what arms experts across the nation were discussing: how could Oswald have made those shots with that poor shooting position and mediocre rifle to kill John Kennedy? Nobody at that table thought that it was possible for Oswald to have made those shots.

    After they arrived at their conclusion, Decker told them that he knew that Oswald had not fired the shots, and that a man in Dallas wanted to talk to somebody about it. Oswald died while being transferred to Decker’s custody. Decker knew somebody who could set the record straight, who wanted to talk to somebody not connected to Dallas or Washington. Murphy was interested, and the next week, Murphy, Gary, and his partner were flying to Ruidoso, New Mexico to meet Decker and his friend.

    They met at the airport and went to a diner to talk. Decker's friend was named John. According to John, Oswald was anything but a “lone nut.” He was an American intelligence agent acting under the direction of E. Howard Hunt. Oswald had been recruited into military intelligence when he joined the Marines. His patronage of an expensive Tokyo nightclub as a private, his learning Russian at the highly sensitive U-2 base in Japan, his defection to the Soviet Union, and other oddities were all part of his intelligence career. His intelligence career probably began even before his Marine days, when he was a cadet in 1955 in David Ferrie’s Civil Air Patrol unit; “coincidentally,” Oswald began his “fascination” with communism at the same time. Oswald was developing "communist" credentials for his future activities in infiltrating communist organizations. It was a fairly normal American intelligence path.[5]

    Oswald was inducted into the CIA's covert activities and came under Hunt’s direction. Hunt was a major player in mounting the failed Bay of Pigs invasion, and he, as with many others in the military and CIA, blamed Kennedy for the failure (Kennedy refused to call in openly American air support). Hunt dreamed up the crazy assassination attempts on Castro that the United States tried. Hunt's mission in life was eliminating Castro. Oswald came into Hunt's control, and was thrown into the cauldron of the Cuban exile communities in Miami and New Orleans. Oswald did not initially know what his mission would be.

    Hunt was paranoid about Oswald's Russian wife and thought that she might be a Russian spy, so Oswald could tell her nothing about his activities. Oswald’s joining Fair Play for Cuba and his staged “murder attempt” on General Walker were all part of giving Oswald “credentials” that would make his upcoming performance more believable. Hunt had concocted the most bizarre assassination intrigue of all time. Oswald was going to participate in a fake assassination attempt on John Kennedy and frame Castro for it. Oswald’s alleged visit to the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City was part of laying an elaborate trail to Cuba. Hunt believed that if Castro could be implicated in an assassination attempt on JFK, the American people could be riled up into supporting an outright invasion of Cuba.

    JFK was not aware of the fake assassination plan, but high-ranking officials in the government and his administration were. Military intelligence, the FBI, and the CIA were all involved. Oswald was initially leery of Hunt’s plan, but with assurances and after seeing the high-level people involved, he went along with it. Oswald was to fire his rifle into the air, then go into hiding, and the false trail to Cuba was laid. He could come home to a hero’s welcome and live a normal life after the USA finished mopping up Cuba.

    But something went horribly wrong. The fake assassination turned into a real one. Somebody had infiltrated the operation, interposed the mission, and killed JFK. The real assassins tried killing Oswald after JFK was killed, but policeman Tippit was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was killed. Oswald escaped, to be captured alive. John said that he knew that Oswald would not have shot a policeman under any circumstances. At the end of his mind-blowing tale, John handed a thick manila envelope to Gary, sealed with wax with a thumbprint on it, which contained the documents that John said would prove his story.

    Murphy, Gary, and his partner flew back to California. They knew that the situation was too big and dangerous for them to pursue. John said that if he went public with his story, he would quickly disappear, never to be heard from again. Gary had Audie store the envelope with other evidence that he was holding for Gary. A few days after that meeting, Decker called Murphy. As John was telling his story in Ruidoso, the CIA and intelligence community were in shock. They did not know what to do and were paralyzed with fear. As they recovered from their shock, they saw themselves facing the firing squad if their involvement in the assassination intrigue became known. The intelligence community decided that they would do everything they could to cover their tracks by invoking “national security.” Decker told Murphy that John had given him the envelope of documents in a moment of panic, and that if Murphy did not give the envelope back, he would be “destroyed.” Murphy did some fast thinking and told Decker that they had torn the envelope into pieces and threw the shreds out of the airplane as they were flying back to California.[6]

    That is what Gary said he witnessed, and I have no doubt that he faithfully reported his experiences.
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    I can also recommend Matthew Smith's "The Second Plot" which I read more than once quite some many many years ago now, as a handy reference
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    Quote Posted by Tintin (here)
    But something went horribly wrong. The fake assassination turned into a real one. Somebody had infiltrated the operation, interposed the mission, and killed JFK. The real assassins tried killing Oswald after JFK was killed, but policeman Tippit was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was killed. Oswald escaped, to be captured alive. John said that he knew that Oswald would not have shot a policeman under any circumstances. At the end of his mind-blowing tale, John handed a thick manila envelope to Gary, sealed with wax with a thumbprint on it, which contained the documents that John said would prove his story.
    This strongly tallies with the scenario we've been hearing for several years, and from multiple researchers. Tippit, according to Jim Marrs, was what you might call a bit of a bent copper. Dallas PD was full of them at the time, working side by side with the Mob in all sort of rackets. That day, Tippit was supposed to be Oswald's ride -- his getaway driver (so not simply an "innocent bystander"). He was part of the scheme, in league with Oswald, and so like Oswald had to be eliminated. I think, if memory serves, Marrs fingered the likely shooter, but it wasn't Oswald. This can be proven by the time-line, which in the "official account" has been skewed. Allegedly, at the moment Tippit was shot, Oswald had already entered the Texas Theatre, more than half a mile away.
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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    [my opinions after my research]

    I've spent quite a bit of time researching the JFK hit, and one thing that has to be recognized is the compartmentalization of government operations, especially clandestine operations. The footsoldiers do not know the whole plan, just their tiny piece. You'd have to speak with Allen Dulles to find out the whole story and all its pieces, and he ain't talking. If some member of the team was told it was supposed to be a fake assassination attempt, and believed that, they would report it was a fake assassination that some rogue element turned live. That doesn't mean it was really a fake assassination, just that some team members were told that.

    There's also the theory proposed that a shooter down in the sewer shot JFK, though there is no forensic evidence to back it, and the angle of the shot is illogical. But, for those that sense that they can discern truth being spoken, the confession by the shooter is very compelling.

    JFK was killed by James Files, a mob shooter who was part of a small team headed by mobster Charles Nicoletti ["Charles Nicoletti also known as "Chuckie the Typewriter", was an American mobster of the Chicago Outfit, who served as hitman under boss Sam Giancana..."] Nicoletti was hired by the CIA to kill JFK. Files says there were other shooters on the scene, but other than his small team under Nicoletti, he couldn't name them. Nicoletti's team had a CIA handler.

    I'd guess that the "JFK assassination files" being released unredacted is not going to tell us much. There is no piece of paper in the files where Dulles says, "gotta meet with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and LBJ to sign off on murdering Kennedy." The most damning paper trail evidence is that Oswald had indeed been employed by the CIA prior to the assassination. Also, Oswald (a patsy, just as he stated) made his one call from jail to his old CIA handler.

    There's never going to be a piece of paper found that tells the assassination story - it doesn't exist. The release of the rest of the JFK files will be unimpressive and inconclusive, and even proving Oswald was CIA will be downplayed as an ex-CIA agent gone rogue and that this was embarrassing to the CIA and so they hid that one fact, but they will disavow any connection to the assassination.

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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Evidently, because I was in the Trump is not the answer (TINTA) thread while I was composing a long reply, and during that time you (or someone) moved some posts out of that thread and into this new thread, when I finally hit "submit", my post went to this JFK thread.
    It's possible there's a weird little software bug where, if one is sitting in thread [A] and composing a reply to a post in thread [A], and then that post you're replying to gets moved to thread [B], your reply gets automatically moved to thread [B] also, without any input (from me). That's the only thing I can think of as to why your post was caught up in the move.

    As to the other posts which were intentionally selected for the move, you're quite right, as was Jim -- several do not belong in this thread. That's entirely my fault for making the assumption that all were related, tangentially or otherwise, to the JFK theme which, after a period of dormancy, had reignited the thread. I should not have skim-read a portion of these posts, but carefully checked all of them before moving them over. I made a big fat mess and I hold my hand up for that.

    All wrongly moved posts have now been returned to their original location in Trump Is Not The Answer.

    Sincere apologies for the confusion, hopefully order has now been restored.

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    Many thanks Dennis. No one on Avalon would ever be censored or silenced, unless pushing something deeply unpleasant and hateful, or just loony-tunes (Flat Earth comes to mind), so rest assured, this final bastion for freedom of speech remains intact, and shall always remain, so long as the lights stay on and we are still here to maintain it.

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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    More here

    After 55 years of suppression, U.S. intelligence recently released documents from the classified JFK assassination archive that reveal there were two code operators in secret American military installations independent of one another who discovered chatter — decidedly secret chatter — about the coming assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy.

    Here are government links to the newly released documents: (1) – (2) – (3) – (4) – (5) – (6)

    In addition the NSA declassifed in 2017 this document relating to one of the code operators, David F. Christensen.

    You will note that the narrative surrounding these code operators is that they “had mental issues and breakdowns” shortly after trying to go up the chain of command with their intelligence. What a coinkydink. It goes without saying that mental issues can be brought about synthetically in otherwise normal people. There is strong indication that is what happened to James Forrestal, to cite one example.

    The Case of James Forrestal and the Take Downs of Real America Firsters

    Private First Class Eugene Dinkin worked in Metz, France. He was a cryptographic code operator for the U.S. Army and, in early November 1963, three weeks before the assassination, he discovered a plot to assassinate the president of the United States.

    Updated: Although these new documents don’t name names that Dinkins is alleged to have come across- an open source search reveals a slew of articles and comments going back years suggesting the following were involved connected with Dinkins information even before the new revelations: French-Corsican assassin Jean Souetre, Guy Banister and William Harvey.

    For example a 1999 FOIA request log where the link now comes up gray. The rest however is revealing.

    [PDF]FOIA Logs for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) – Government Attic www.governmentattic.org/docs/FOIA_Logs_CIA_1999-2004.pdf

    Dec 10, 2007 – ALLEGATIONS THAT EUGENE DINKINS HAD KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY …… WILLIAM KING HARVEY; CLARA “C.G.” HARVEY …… JEAN RENE SOUETRE …… F-1999-01037 GUY BANNISTER ASSOCIATES.

    As Winter Watch covered, Howard Hunt fingered William Harvey’s involvement as well as an assassin he dubbed the “French grassy-knoll gunman.” Guy Bannister, who died mysteriously soon after the JFK hit, was affiliated with David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald. Hunt is about as close as one can get to an operational insider revelation.

    The Shakespearean Tale of E. Howard Hunt’s JFK Assassination Confession
    Private Dinkin had a friend mail a letter to Robert Kennedy. The letter warned RFK that an assassination plot was underway and would occur in Texas around Nov. 28, 1963. Dinkin said that the plan was that the murder would be blamed on either a communist or a negro.

    Dickins then deserted his post and made it to Switzerland to a U.N. press briefing room, where he thought he might get a better reception. The U.S. military picked him up and shipped him off to Walter Reed to a psychiatric ward. He was confined for the next six months. The two now-released cables confirm that Dinkins went to Geneva on Nov. 6 with his story. Neither the FBI nor the Warren Commission ever investigated the Dinkin case.

    Completely separate from Dinkins, David Christensen was an Air Force sergeant who was stationed at a listening post in Kirknewton, Scotland. He intercepted a communication in October 1963 that an assassination attempt would be made on Kennedy. Sgt. Christensen, like Eugene Dinkin, was summarily “committed to a mental institution.” Most curiously, it was necessary to keep classified information and details about the two military personnel for 55 years. Why?

    A letter Christensen wrote is here from the document dump. It is rambling, but he mentions the JFK assassination link he received “six weeks to one month” before the big event. He goes on to name “****in’ Forney and Delaughter” as being instrumental in blocking him from getting the intel to NSA. He then refers to Forney and Delaughter as organized crime.



    Documents reveal that an interview related to Christensen was conducted in 1978 two staffers (Kenneth Klein and Gary Cornwell) of the House Select Committee on Assassinations. I find it curious that this interview was with a Sgt. Stevenson, who was stationed with Christensen, not the source himself. Stevenson discounted the Christensen story. So the committee knew about Christensen’s claims but didn’t pursue the source? Here is how they dealt with it in the memorandum:

    The staffers remain particularly interested in determining the name of the individual who Mr. Christensen believes relates to the assassination. They will explore means of determining this information to include the possibility of having Sgt. Stevenson call Christensen and ask him for the identity (Stevenson indicated his extreme unwillingness to do this).

    Winter Watch Takeaway: Seriously? Why didn’t Klein and/or Cornwall make the call or visit to Christensen? First they brand Christensen as a crazy and then fail to pursue a contact with him. What a circus and typical Crime Syndicate cover up and M.O, and a method we encounter with a lot in other crimes.

    This account also answers the refrain from pajama people that “someone would talk.” The answer is they do, and frequently are suppressed, killed, gaslighted and thrown into mental institutions.

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    Default Re: Will Trump Release all the JFK Files?

    INCOMING ALERT:


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    BREAKING: JFK files are reportedly releasing today as early as 3pm.

    LETS FCKING GO
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    Latest news from Luna:
    **All declassified JFK documents will be housed at the link below. As soon as releases begin, you will able to access them on this website.

    http://archives.gov/jfk**

    https://x.com/RepLuna/status/1897501319444791623

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    tomorrow AM to discuss timeline for the JFK document releases.

    All declassified JFK documents will be housed at the link below. As soon as releases begin, you will able to access them on this website.

    http://archives.gov/jfk

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    for working quickly to get this up!

    Radical transparency is what the American people mandated and it is what they will get. 🙏🏼

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    Quote from Mark (Star Mariner) link:
    "Most Kennedy Assassination Records Are Already Available

    The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection consists of more than six million pages of assassination-related records. The vast majority of this Collection has been declassified and is already available to the public either in-person or online. "

    What??
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    Not a whole lot of new stuff in there though, and certainly no smoking gun (literally), which is why they were previously declassified. We expect -- we hope -- this new release will contain all the material they've been holding back for a reason. Previously we've only had gravy, it's time for the meat and potatoes.
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    It's been sixty-one years and four months (give or take) since a bullet in Dallas, Texas, changed the world forever. At long last, tomorrow appears to be the day we finally learn what happened, who was behind it and why.



    BREAKING:
    80,000 files to drop tomorrow. According to Trump, they're "very interesting". Also, NO redactions.


    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1901736473012887567
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    Quote Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
    It's been sixty-one years and four months (give or take) since a bullet in Dallas, Texas, changed the world forever. At long last, tomorrow appears to be the day we finally learn what happened, who was behind it and why.



    BREAKING:
    80,000 files to drop tomorrow. According to Trump, they're "very interesting". Also, NO redactions.


    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1901736473012887567
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    🚨 BREAKING: President Trump announces that 80,000 documents on the assassination of JFK will be released TOMORROW, as organized and coordinated by Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard. President Trump has asked that the files not be redacted.
    Below from 2.15 minutes onward Skynews reporter Trudy McIntosh states that as part of the order the RFK & Martin Luther King files will also be released.

    ‘I’m involved for humanity’: Trump and Putin set for high-stakes call on ceasefire deal



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    P.S. I wonder if the presidential limo will be seating four or six people, the Mandela Effect.
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    I've been F5'ing the page all evening and they just dropped. The files are here, 1,123 files (many with multiple pages).

    The link:
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