India & Pakistan at War

[Richter]

India-Pakistan Conflict - LIVE Breaking News Coverage (4:38:39)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jeFyDxFn2xk

Daily live-streams of the India-Pakistan conflict: https://www.youtube.com/@AgendaFreeTV

[Bruce G Charlton]

A thought that crossed my mind is "Ah! So this is why the Usual Suspects got rid of Imran Khan and put totalitarian-globalists puppets in charge".

Also, (and this is very general impression, rather then derived from "evidence") I am dismayed that India has become so rudderless and incoherent as a nation, by their ruling class focusing so much on materialism and money over the past four decades.

With so many de-nationalized "nations" in the world, whose rulers have no love (and often explicit hostility) for their people; it has become much too easy for the (West-based) agents of evil to manipulate these pseudo-nations into gratuitous, pointless, mutually-destructive wars; by various combinations of bribery, blackmail and sheer coercion.

There seems little resistance, indeed some eagerness, that India and Pakistan becomes (for no good reason, and no realistically-conceivable benefit to either people) a third "front" in the ongoing WWIII.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
A thought that crossed my mind is "Ah! So this is why the Usual Suspects got rid of Imran Khan and put totalitarian-globalists puppets in charge".

Yes. Imran would never have allowed things to develop like this.

Here's Larry Johnson interviewed by Redacted yesterday:

"CIA and MI6 are behind the war in India & Pakistan" Former CIA Agent admits

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=41z7yh8gIOw

[ExomatrixTV]

• India 'Activates' Russian S-400 As Pak Blitz Targets 15 Cities | All Missiles & Drones Destroyed:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XJIweFig5To

• Operation Sindoor LIVE Update: India Uses S-400 Air Defence System To Defend Against Pak Missiles:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SX-IzICoVDY

• Pak Missiles | All About The S-400 Defence System Used By India To Neutralise Pak Missiles:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WMfZWzOBxnk

• Pakistan's Defence Minister humiliated on CNN after failing to provide proof of downed Indian jets:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=i_NwqW6Ka3E

Pakistan’s Defence Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif was humiliated in the global media after he failed to provide evidence of his claim that Pakistan shot down five Indian jets and a drone in retaliation to India’s strikes of Pakistani Kashmir.

[RatRodRob...RRR]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
Hey RRRob. Dunno if you want to hear this, but I think I’d be shirking if I didn’t say something back to that.

You know full well how life can go wrong, at your age. A lot of that is from personal experience, and a lot is from seeing others screw up, on the scale from individuals to nations.

You strike me as a grounded guy, someone who maintains peace in your daily life. Your talk here of dire apprehension about suspicions about geopolitical stuff, is incongruent, and frankly unsettling. Is it that you’ve got the smaller things sorted, but you get flustered when it’s big enough to be out of your control? Or is it that your personal-scale/local life is getting more challenging, like the spectre of drunk or drug kids that reared its ugly head there in recent years, or any other thing?

Please don’t take that as criticism, I just mean it as analysis, and I mean you well.

Take it or leave it, from another oldtimer, protect your inner peace. I think it’s the part or vibration of our thought that is closest to God.

Peace. It’s a deep deep word, like love.

To me it means cultivating an attitude of being for, as opposed to against, anything.

The apparition of Big anythings, be they the minions or the most evil, shouldn’t distract us from our daily life. I think that that cost is unwarranted, fear sucks.

Forget which coast you’re on, hope your winter is getting along nicely. Cheers.

Posted by RatRodRob...RRR (here)

Posted by Craig (here)

Posted by RatRodRob...RRR (here)

I dont like the current world we live in, its like every conspiracy theory imaginable is rattling the cage, its like it All will come together at once in a massive world changing event, i dont even think Prepping ones self and family will do anything, there will be no goin back and prepping will be just a short life line before the inevitable collapse of humanity.

................................................RRR

yes, the world feels like the ending of a long video game, where at the final stage you meet the big boss and mega doses of everything else you have battled in the past to get here.

Hi Craig, yeah my spidey censors are in overdrive, i havnt seen anything in the skys lately but i feel something will again show up, and not even talking bout UFOs when i wake up in the mornings im thinking to myself "i wonder what event has happened while i slept" the amount of stuff goin on is almost surreal, there have been quite afew large earthquakes too lately.............................................RRR

Hi JCL, yeah ive been around the block a few times but i think you have over thought my post, "incongruent" nah couldnt be further from the truth, big issues, little issues, i meet them head on and conquer all in front of me.
I meant what i said though, i am genuinely concerned about current events and there is nothing i can do about it, just like you cant do anything.

Im not "distracted" im focused, i think very deeply about life and all the issues that it brings, and no, im not offended by your observations, i think sometimes that writing or messaging someone gets askewed because its easy to misinterpret a written sentence due to missing all the other signs, including emotion when talking to someone in person.

Im head down arse up and determined to do my best for my family and friends, and to try educate those who cannot see.

Im bout 50 miles west of Melbourne and its a beautiful autumn day, only around 20c but very light breeze with a cloudless sky and its 10.45am, i will be goin out later to get my dose of Vitamin D, i love being outdoors, when im outside i smile alot, especially when im alone in the bush or park.

Are you up north Johnny..?

RRR

[shaberon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Imran would never have allowed things to develop like this.

Here's Larry Johnson interviewed by Redacted yesterday:

"CIA and MI6 are behind the war in India & Pakistan" Former CIA Agent admits

Isn't this a bit circular?

Now to Larry Johnson’s theory, via his Sonar21 website, Did Western Intelligence Play a Role in the Latest Terrorist Attack in Kashmir?:

While many uninformed Westerners might scoff at the idea, Pakistan’s Defense Minister, Khawaja Muhammad Asif, accused India of staging a false flag.

more substantial:

But Asif didn’t stop there. During an interview with Sky News, Asif admitted that Pakistan has been supporting and funding terrorist groups for about three decades, describing this as “doing the dirty work for the United States and the West, including Britain.” He acknowledged that this was a “mistake” and said Pakistan has suffered greatly as a result, especially by aligning with the West during the Soviet-Afghan war and the post-9/11 US-led war on terror…

Asif emphasized three key points:

Collaboration with Western Powers: Asif stated, “We have been doing this dirty work for the United States for about three decades, you know, the West, including Britain.” This comment was made in the context of discussing Pakistan’s historical role in supporting Western-led initiatives, which he suggests have contributed to the current challenges with terrorism.

Training of Mujahideen: Reflecting on Pakistan’s past decisions, Asif acknowledged that the country had trained Mujahideen fighters during the Afghan-Soviet war, stating, “We prepared them and now they have become terrorists.” He emphasized that Pakistan should not have engaged in such activities at the behest of other nations.

Critique of U.S. Military Actions: Asif has criticized the United States for its military interventions, noting that Pakistan has suffered due to its alliance with the U.S. He pointed out that the U.S. left behind high-tech weapons in Afghanistan, which have contributed to the rise in terrorism within Pakistan.

The attack in Pahalgam, at a minimum, was designed to disrupt further development of the area as a tourist destination.

tail wags dog:

Still, in light of Asif’s remarkable confession, I cannot rule out something more nefarious by my former outfit or by Britain’s MI-6.

Let's see...they got rid of Benazir Bhuto, and have been a terrorist training ground for thirty years. Not to the benefit of, but malfeasance to, their own country, if that is what it is.

Well, it's a hollow armpit carved out by British map-makers for that reason. So, it is entirely true, that Pakistan, per se, has something to do with CIA and MI6.


As to whether the spooks had anything to do with the Pahalgam shootings, or Indian reprisal, is unsubstantiated.

The extremists hate America; they were temporarily useful to bog down the U. S. S. R., and, the U. S. could be said to have won that type of 1980s "dirty tricks" Cold War that caused a political revolution, but, this theory has not panned out to be 100% reliable since then.

When the guy mainly describes Pakistan's fallouts, it becomes difficult to get around the enormity of that type of fervent "Mughal restoration" that may not have anything to do with any government or source of funds or weapons, it just really is who those people are. What do you do when those are the known plans of untold millions of your neighbors.

In retrospect, it might have been a better idea not to become such a breeding ground, and I'm not surprised the repercussions have been a bit sharp.

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by RatRodRob...RRR (here)

Hi JCL, yeah ive been around the block a few times but i think you have over thought my post, "incongruent" nah couldnt be further from the truth, big issues, little issues, i meet them head on and conquer all in front of me.
I meant what i said though, i am genuinely concerned about current events and there is nothing i can do about it, just like you cant do anything.

Im not "distracted" im focused, i think very deeply about life and all the issues that it brings, and no, im not offended by your observations, i think sometimes that writing or messaging someone gets askewed because its easy to misinterpret a written sentence due to missing all the other signs, including emotion when talking to someone in person.

Im head down arse up and determined to do my best for my family and friends, and to try educate those who cannot see.

Im bout 50 miles west of Melbourne and its a beautiful autumn day, only around 20c but very light breeze with a cloudless sky and its 10.45am, i will be goin out later to get my dose of Vitamin D, i love being outdoors, when im outside i smile alot, especially when im alone in the bush or park.

Are you up north Johnny..?

RRR

Thanks for your response, Sir.

Maybe my reticence to worry about the big stuff, like this current skirmishing between two nuke-armed nations that have warred iirc 3 times in their brief history, is because I just don’t like to worry. But imo, that is an informed choice, because of how I’ve had successes in dealing with personal issues.

I do try to learn what’s going on on the big scales, especially with anything that might impact me. COVID got my attention pretty quick, when MSM started marching in lockstep. Then I started learning about it, kudos and thanks to Avalon for many of the resources, and I haven’t stopped. But since my 2 cousins and my sister weren’t open to my thoughts, I stopped talking about it. Stopped worrying for them too, because that felt like going against their will.

Am aware of other possibly big incoming problems, but I don’t feel a need to try and raise alerts. So, more latency for what I see as the things that I can affect.

Yeah north, halfway up Alberta. Arse down and kettle up, compared to you. I would love to see an Aussie map of my town, upside down.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status...74163848401313

[Satori]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status...74163848401313

Looks like Trump was the answer.

[grapevine]

Pahalgam Attack Video: Unaware Tourist On Zipline Captures Pahalgam Terror Attack

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=A-TyztPaQfA

(56 secs)
"A tourist who was on a zipline ride during a trip to Jammu & Kashmir's Pahalgam last week inadvertently captured the terrorist attack that left 26 civilians dead, according to a new video that has emerged on social media.

In the 53-second video that has gone viral, the tourist - a man in a blue checked shirt, wearing a pair of sunglasses and helmet as safety gear - can be seen taking and recording the ride using a selfie stick, even as sounds of gunshots can be heard in the background. "

[bojancan]

I see more helpful hand behind closed door Lavrov... as always he is the man... Trump's people and himself always claiming that he is the one who solves problems... He always want to take a credit for everything... the problem was not solved... I do not see it through..

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2599568/pakistan

May, 8th
Russia says willing to help resolve India-Pakistan differences over Kashmir

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov speaks to Pakistani counterpart Ishaq Dar amid regional tensions
Russia has been India’s largest weapons provider for decades, with both enjoying close ties since Soviet times
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov spoke to his Pakistani counterpart on Sunday and offered Russia’s help in resolving tensions between Pakistan and India over Kashmir, the Foreign Ministry said.

“Particular attention was paid to the significant rise in tension between New Delhi and Islamabad,” the ministry said in a statement, referring to Lavrov’s conversation with Ishaq Dar, who is also Pakistan’s deputy prime minister.



“It was stressed that Russia is ready to act for a political settlement of the situation resulting from the act of terrorism of April 22 in the Pahalgam area of the Kashmir valley, in the event of a mutual desire on the part of Islamabad and New Delhi,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement posted on Telegram.

Lavrov’s conversation with Dar took place two days after he spoke with Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar and also called for a settlement of differences between the two neighboring countries.

Suspected militants killed at least 26 people in last week’s attack on a mountain tourist destination in the Pahalgam area of the Kashmir valley.

Muslim-majority Kashmir is claimed by both countries and has been the focus of several wars, an insurgency and diplomatic standoffs.

Russia has been India’s largest weapons provider for decades and New Delhi and Moscow have had close ties since Soviet times.

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May, 11th
India and Pakistan ceasefire shaken by overnight border fighting in disputed Kashmir region

Residents and officials in the disputed Kashmir region say there was overnight border fighting between Pakistani and Indian troops
As part of the ceasefire, agreed a day earlier, the nuclear-armed neighbors agreed to immediately stop all firing and military action on land, in the air and at sea
They accused each other of repeatedly violating the deal hours later
ISLAMABAD: A ceasefire to end the conflict between India and Pakistan was shaken by overnight border fighting in the disputed Kashmir region.

People on both sides of the Line of Control, which divides the territory, reported heavy exchanges of fire between Indian and Pakistani troops. The fighting subsided by Sunday morning.

The two countries agreed to a truce a day earlier after talks to defuse the most serious military confrontation between them in decades following a gun massacre of tourists that India blames on Pakistan, which denies the charge.

As part of the ceasefire, the nuclear-armed neighbors agreed to immediately stop all firing and military action on land, in the air and at sea. They accused each other of repeatedly violating the deal just hours later.

Drones were spotted Saturday night over Indian-controlled Kashmir and the western state of Gujarat according to Indian officials.

In the Poonch area of Indian-controlled Kashmir, people said the intense shelling from the past few days had traumatized them.

“Most people ran as shells were being fired,” said college student Sosan Zehra who returned home Sunday. “It was completely chaotic.”

In Pakistan-controlled Kashmir’s Neelum Valley, which is three kilometers from the Line of Control, people said there were exchanges of fire and heavy shelling after the ceasefire began.

Resident Mohammad Zahid said: “We were happy about the announcement but, once again, the situation feels uncertain.”

US President Donald Trump was the first to post about the deal, announcing it on his Truth Social platform. Indian and Pakistani officials confirmed the news shortly after.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi chaired a high-level meeting on Sunday with top government and military officials.

India, unlike Pakistan, has not said anything about Trump or the US since the deal was announced. Nor has India acknowledged anyone beyond its military contact with the Pakistanis.

Both armies have engaged in daily fighting since Wednesday along the rugged and mountainous Line of Control, which is marked by razor wire coils, watchtowers and bunkers that snake across foothills populated by villages, tangled bushes and forests.

They have routinely blamed the other for starting the skirmishes while insisting they were only retaliating.

India and Pakistan’s two top military officials are due to speak again on Monday...

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2600298/world

[thirtythree]

When all is said and done.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1910509/in...ow-it-unfolded

[grapevine]

Great article thirtythree, and also the accompanying article at the bottom of that link headed: "Why Modi keeps pushing India to the bring of war with Pakistan":
https://www.dawn.com/news/1909740/wh...-with-pakistan

[norman]

I've heard, from O Savin, that Trump offered both sides 'intel' about outside provocative interference that started the spat.

BAR lawyers probably represent the outside interferers more than they represent the truth.

It was those damn Brits again ?

[jaybee]

Posted by norman (here)
I've heard, from O Savin, that Trump offered both sides 'intel' about outside provocative interference that started the spat.

BAR lawyers probably represent the outside interferers more than they represent the truth.

It was those damn Brits again ?

Hence what Trump said in his tweet - see #28 above for full content -

and I quote...'Congratulations to both countries on using Common Sense and Great Intelligence'

a little double meaning teaser from the maestro ...?.....

no one likes being played for a fool especially Alpha Males who lead countries and the Globalists working through MI6 and the CIA must have had that down to a fine art .....revealing the fiendish plot has saved many lives....

[thirtythree]

@Norman



https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/13/false-flag/

Something like this?