50 million people in the west are pathologically injured

[rgray222]

Throughout history, people have tried to get others to believe that there is a complexity and a certain amount of nuance to human behavior and morality, but in the end, it is extremely simple: there is good and there is evil. To some, that might be an oversimplification, but in reality, nothing could be further from the truth.

Also, one aspect of the human condition that is often overlooked when discussing man's beliefs, behaviors and actions is that we are souls having an intentional human experience. Our time on earth is an extremely intense one-semester class that ends in the blink of an eye. When you view the world through a more 'down-to-earth' (pun intended) lens, then it makes the pathologically injured appear to be necessary props for our human experience.

[Mari]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Throughout history, people have tried to get others to believe that there is a complexity and a certain amount of nuance to human behavior and morality, but in the end, it is extremely simple: there is good and there is evil. To some, that might be an oversimplification, but in reality, nothing could be further from the truth.

Also, one aspect of the human condition that is often overlooked when discussing man's beliefs, behaviors and actions is that we are souls having an intentional human experience. Our time on earth is an extremely intense one-semester class that ends in the blink of an eye. When you view the world through a more 'down-to-earth' (pun intended) lens, then it makes the pathologically injured appear to be necessary props for our human experience.

Absolutely are they necessary for our our human experience. We are spirit inhabiting a human body and we came down here this time - knowing full well (a bit of prepping before!) what would be awaiting us. We 'needed' to experience the Duality that (it is said) only exists on this planet. Nowhere else (it is said and I feel this as my truth) offers our souls the opportunity to evolve and if we're 'ready', we incarnate down the layers to this boot camp. To experience according to our personal blueprint.

What a perfect environment - a planet that was hijacked aeons ago by an evil archontic energy and is currently undergoing (well, they are trying!) an inversion of everything that we know to be Truth and of Goodness.

I feel that this is a plan - a Divine one, but a 'plan' that has to get increasingly turbulent to wake the sleeping masses. We are ALL, without exception 'pathologically injured' thanks to the deliberate lowering of Earth's vibrations in every aspect - architectural, educational, nutritional, medical, atmospheric etc.

Even the Musical scale has been altered to a lower frequency, with the churning out of a diatribe that passes for 'music' these days - one that leaves the sensitives (like yours truly) with a compulsion to slash the proverbial wrist. Go into any department store, any that are left ('The Range' in the UK is notorious for this....as I'm sure fellow Brits here will attest!) and the piped 'music' they churn out is a deliberate lowering of your vibration, no doubt about that. Its not a 'generational' thing either from this oldie, but as I have a good musical ear, it's unarguably blatant.

So, to truly simplify things, here's my personal take, in a nutshell: Earth/Gaia, originally a pristine entity, sank in her vibrations a very long time ago, due to an archontic takeover. She (a living entity in her own right) cried out for help, around a hundred-ish years ago, when we started to develop efficient ways of blowing her up. A universal spiritual 'call' went out for sufficiently evolved beings to incarnate here to help her get back on track. A massive undertaking, but one which we are well on the way to achieving. It will happen.
Some may say an oversimplification, but you know what, it does help me get through the day and I'm all for keeping things simple in these utterly confounding times.

[Denise/Dizi]

Personal accountability, common sense, selflessness, hard work, integrity, honor, a balance "fair" to the whole.. all things this country (I speak about America).... needs to refocus on.

We need to stop allowing our education system get involved in family teachings of morality, ethics, social issues, and leave that to the family. We need to give the family back some TIME to raise their children versus to support an economy which is heavily inflated deliberately, and we need to get back to giving back to the nation that we love versus expecting it to support us.

It really boils down to accountability, and the last few generations have started (While deliberately guided to) a steep decline towards selfishness and lack of personal accountability.

And we need to regroup and get rid of those that are trying to take down America from the inside out. Spoiled individuals, manipulators, crooks, theives... All need to be addressed...

It isn't mental illness, it is deliberate manipulation from very powerful individuals with agendas, and it is presenting as insanity. It's a shame... I wish I knew the answer

[Isserley]

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to distance oneself from today and the whole internet era and look at the wider picture. For example, there are tribes in Africa - Tonga, Yao, Lomwe, whose part of the culture has been for a very many years a so called FGM (Female Genital Mutilation). Our problem is that this is not published on the Internet and social media to this extent as the "western" wokeism is.

It is enough to watch the Apocalypto movie and realize that not all the indigenous tribes are spiritual and live in accordance with God & nature.

For me, it takes only to remember how my grandparents lived in the first half of the 20th century - (such a life is best described in the autobiographical novel of Maxim Gorky - My Childhood). They lived in poverty, severe physical conditions and with cruel daily punishments from parents, grandparent or who ever comes along. That created the terrible traumas that were poured out to the next generations.
And again, they lived in nature from the land without any smartphones to document all the drama, only a few Maxim Gorky to write about it a decades later.

Not sure what I wanted to express exactly except that I did not like the title of this thread (again) the division the blame on who?, when the general archonic problem is on all sides of the world throughout the history of humanity.
I wonder how many people are pathologically injured in N.Korea or China - oh yes we have no idea as they do not have the internet or have only controled version of it so we are unable to discuss much about it.

[Bill Ryan]

Very many thanks, everyone, for all your responses.

I've been pondering all this since I started the thread. My briefest further thoughts:

• Things have been far, far worse (i.e. more prejudiced, vindictive, irrational and brutal) in almost all other known historical times and places.

• The human race is indeed gradually becoming more genuinely civilized, spiritual, and rational — but only in very small increments. This is dangerously outpaced by our exponential growth in technological prowess.

• The thread Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief has applied to almost all known human people since the dawn of time.

• The waters are muddied nowadays because of the advent of the internet and the 24/7 news cycle, which barely existed even 30 years ago. This enables far more rapid and intense population-wide emotional and intellectual manipulation than there has ever been previously, while at the same time allowing for the possibility of a minority of people becoming genuinely well-informed in ways that support real thinking for oneself.

• We have a LONG LONG way to go. It's possible we may never 'get there' if the human tendency for prejudice, vindictiveness, irrationality and brutality is too deeply hardwired.

[arwen]

It is my view that humanity was set back decades in evolution by the multi-faceted, vicious worldwide attack in 2020.

I happened to move to a different country about 2 years before that happened. People were friendly, cheerful, laughed, exchanged favors and friendship. Life was already tough but humans were humaning.

Then in 2020, humanity was attacked by Lockdowns, Masks, social distancing. A mere month after that, came the George Floyd thing where humans were told to stay locked down, but it was at the same time OK to go and burn, loot and riot for racial justice. Then came the jab, which many were forced to take to keep their jobs to feed their families.

In America came the contested 2020 election, and then J6. Worldwide, the cost of living doubled in a few years.

This brutal attack by governments and their handlers worldwide has forever altered the evolutionary track of humanity in my view.

The same people from when I first arrived - many died or were severely injured from the jab, and all friendliness and laughter has evaporated - people keep to themselves, are suspicious of each other, just struggling to survive. Others are aggressive and unhinged. And the young ones - who had to go through all this in their formative years, brutally psychologically attacked by their schools and the authorities - are permanently damaged, do not even know what it used to be like to be human - to be friendly, kind, and laugh.

Humanity's only fatal mistake in this era was that they trusted the authorities. Who are all now trying to move on as that never happened. The perpetrators and the authorities all acted without any consequence in this unprecedented attack on humanity.

That was a massive interference in peoples' natural timelines and evolutionary paths, and many had their lives ruined. One cannot sweep that under the carpet, it is a PIVOTAL factor in judging humanity.

On the spiritual side, a few spiritual workers have noticed significant spiritual damage from the jabs, which are not just a biological weapon, but a spiritual one as well. Rudolph Steiner predicted the development of vaccines to cut off humans from their spiritual selves. And Bernhard Guenther has done some really pioneering work in this regard:

[onawah]

There are numerous posts in the "Vaccine Crimes" thread which outline in great detail just what the jabs have done and are doing to people, but it's so much to take in that the various discussions about what's happening to the human race also continue on numerous fronts, when really, it's very obvious once you bite the bullet.
Humanity is being turned into something very different; it's the transhumanist agenda that is manifesting so quickly that most people, even conspiracy theorists, often can't really grasp the reality.
But just one of the most recent posts there sums it up really well, and if you want to get up to speed, here's an excellent place to start, though it will take time and considerable focus.
And if you are still not convinced, I encourage you to look at the many articles with microscopy videos and photos of the blood of the jabbed on Dr. Ana Mihalcea's substack page: https://substack.com/@anamihalceamdphd... to see the nanotech in action, draining the energy from human cells and replicating.
(Then you also have to consider that the same nanotech is being distributed via chemtrails and who knows what other means to infect the air, food and water, so it's not just the jabbed who are affected, or those who have been shed on by the jabbed, and that's a much bigger bullet.)

Posted by onawah (here)
Dr Astrid Stuckelberger: Synthetic Biology with Nanocircuits that Go with 5G
Forbidden.News
Apr 06, 2025
https://forbiddennews.substack.com/p...m_medium=email

(Many links to other articles and videos in this article, too many Rumble videos to embed in one post, but the first one mentioned featuring Astrid Stuckleberger is at the end of this post.)
"FOR SOMETHING TO BE BIOLOGICAL, YOU NEED PHOSPHOROUS AND NITROGEN AND THEY FOUND NOTHING LIKE THAT IN ALL THE VIALS THEY SAW


RUMBLE VIDEO (at the end of this post): "Dr Astrid Stuckelberger: Synthetic Biology with Nanocircuits that Go with 5G" - Pub. April 6, 2025

"This is a recent interview with Swiss Public Health expert, Dr Astrid Stuckelberger about the preoccupation with the term "mRNA" when defining in the ingredients of the jab, when mRNA is the least of it.

What we're dealing with is synthetic biology and nanocircuitry.

TRANSCRIPT

Dr Astrid Stuckelberger: And I want to answer to, you know, what is in the jab and what's going on with the 5G. You know, the question that Pascal said, "Ask Astrid, because it's very important."

I've been into one of the first ones who really read and said "There is oxide graphene". Some scientists in Spain, Professor [Pablo] Campra found, you know, massive oxide graphene in nanoparticle in the job in June 2021. And then, he made another report, final in November 2021.

And then, others made, like Professor Arne Burkhardt made very scientific, really in the lab of like a medical analysis of the jab. And he did, in front of lawyers. He said "This is a crime against humanity. Anybody jabbing this thing is –" it's Pfizer – it was Pfizer – "Is is a criminal."

And he found he confirmed oxide graphene. He confirmed parasites. He confirmed metal; chrome, nickel that should never be there or massively – nanoparticle. And then, he also confirmed there is a RFID-type of thing in there.

So he did a very interesting move. He took lawyers to say and to affirm.

Now, there are others. And it's very interesting, you know, how we go in a crime scene.

We have one more element, one more, some contradictory, some not. A lot of people are talking of "mRNA, mRNA. spike, mRNA," but they never really give the nature of this mRNA. And two scientists started to do the whistleblowing, Dr Nagase in Canada and Dr Monteverde.

And for me, that was a key to this crime scene. And they said that, "For something to be biological, you need phosphorous and nitrogen." And they found nothing like that in all the vials they saw.

And it was confirmed again, after. So, it's not biological. What is in this little vial is not biological! So what is it? It is synthetic nanotech. Yes. And and beyond maybe other things we don't know.

You see, I leave it open, because we are in such a crazy situation of evil that we have to be open, so that we can stop and treat people.

So now, in the scientific community where I speak a lot, you know, in conference, I show the graphic of first question. "Is it biological or not?"

It's not. It's synthetic. David Martin said "They should never have accepted those patents. They're all synthetic, not biological!"

Then, you you start explaining. But if you explain mRNA, you have to define if it is synthetic or not. You have to say, "Is it a nanorobot," and you call mRNA?

Or do you call mRNA the consequence of a causality – and the causality is something synthetic and like a robot, which I think that is.

The mRNA spike is only an effect or an element of this nanocircuit and nanotech, because it's not possible that spike protein is everywhere, in the body after an injection.

So it is the transporter for oxide graphene; is like a flying carpet. I've made a report on that "flying carpet".

And it's – you can put a genome, you can put a parasite, you can put a bacteria and you can code it. And it mimics the code of a molecule, because we have the codes of molecules with Dr [Jacques] Benveniste in France and Professor [Luc] Montagnier tried to steal all his findings and then he got killed.

You know, so we know that biocoding exists since 50 years, but it's become very sophisticated, now. And they can send this biocode to the oxide graphene...it can load the data, up to terahertz and it can send it. And so it is like a computer.

Bill Gates is perfectly suited to know, with his engineers to develop this with DARPA. So we know this, that this can take control of the mind and of the body. And I invite everybody who has not seen this fantastic video of Dr Charles Morgan of DARPA.

And he's teaching on YouTube, the military, how oxide graphene can take command of someone on the other side of Earth through Wi-Fi and it's called "Psycho-Neurobiology and War". I don't know if you've seen it?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cTtIPBPSv0U

VIDEO: "Dr Charles Morgan on Psycho-Neurobiology and War" - Orig. Pub. June 15, 2018

Army Soldier: (Introducing Dr Morgan) Today, we have Dr Charles Morgan to talk to us about neuroscience and psychology and a whole gamut of things.

Right now, he is a Professor of National Security Studies at the University of New Haven. His focus is teaching National Security Studies, Domestic and International Intelligence Analysis and issues.

Dr Morgan is developing a concentration in the human aspects, intelligence analysis and Psychological Operations arenas, that are relevant to the Intelligence Community.

He has a pretty robust background, with military folks, doing research at Sears School, helping with selection processes for Special Operations Forces, down in Fort Bragg, etc. So, without further ado, I'll hand it over.

Dr Charles Morgan: So, what I would like to talk to you a little bit about today is something I was asked to do in 2010 and 2011. I was getting ready to leave, over at CIA, where I'd worked for a number of years.

And the Intelligence Science Board said, "Could you give us a brief on what's in store for us in the future?"

I was like, "I don't know. Predicting the future is really hard." So I told my boss at the time, I said, "Well, I think the best I'll do is make an estimate, over what I think is going to happen in the next five years," given certain technologies that were being developed at the time – and this is a bit of an extension of that – I present it to the SSG.

And it was some information I think some people didn't know. And I think it's good for people to be aware of what's going on out there.

The one thing that makes predicting a little bit of the future easier, when you look at biomedical science is that labs are working fairly systematically with overtly-stated goals.

But the really fun part was that you're taking over somebody else's physical body with the mind of another human. So what do you think would be the next step? You follow medical research: You say you can make a robot move. You can make a human hand move. What would you do next?

You say, "Wow, they're getting brains connected to run things." You have to begin to think either like doctors or like security and intelligence people, right?

Can you actually send and receive sensory information, like 'The Matrix'?

Dr [Craig] Venter's work is, in my view the equivalent of the development of nuclear weapons, when you realize that he created life in a cell, back in 2010. I don't know if people are familiar with his work, but this technology paired with something called CRISPR, which is like an editing software for genes, makes a number of things immediately available.

What he did is he programmed yeast cells to produce anything he wanted: They can produce perfume. They can produce petroleum. They can produce any peptide, anything we program the DNA to do and it's in the living cell.

So in medicine, the goal in medicine now is to be able to do designer medicine and therapy. If we can design a cell to get into your body and release the right product for you, you won't be losing half the drugs you take through your liver, when you swallow a pill and it gets digested.

These can be inserted into you through the hypospray needles, almost like Dr McCoy on Star Trek, getting the hypospray. It just blasts, now plasmids into your squamous cells. But Venter was able to do that and has the patent on the technology. But you can engineer anything.

You can engineer a thing that would only kill one person in the world.

VIDEO REPEATS:

You can engineer a thing that would only kill one person in the world.

It's how it's done. You put in a specific gene slicing. You program what you like. You put it in the cell and it can reproduce and make as much as you like.

Dr Astrid Stuckelberger: It's very interesting. When people are not convinced, I show them, "Go and see this and you will understand already a bit. Go and see the [CDC's] 'Pandemic Preparedness for Zombies'. You will understand.


WHITE PAPER: "Preparedness 101: Zombie Pandemic" - Orig. Pub. in 2011 by the Centers for Disease Control
https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/6023

Go and see that the ID is in the body of people who are dead and even in the cemetery, you know:


VIDEO: "Internet of Dead Bodies" - Pub. Jan 5, 2024 by ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net
And go and see the autopsy that what they're taking out of the blood is something like catsup. But nobody's really describing it:
https://rumble.com/v45e3v0-internet-of-dead-bodies.html

VIDEO: "Embalmer Richard Hirschman Reveals Novel Clotting in 65% of Cases" - Pub. Feb 8, 2022 by ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/emb...n-65-of-cases/

And I suspect they're afraid to say really what it is, because they don't know. Because, when there are two or three scientists who said something very interesting that goes with this AI science plasma, going around. It's that there is a parasite, as an egg:
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/cri...sm-identified/

If you put it at the temperature of the body under microscope, it develops and the egg bursts out and..
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/sho...vial-contents/

VIDEO: "SHOCKING: Dr. Carrie Madej Releases FIRST LOOK at Pfizer Vial Contents" - Pub. Oct 21, 2021 by ForbiddenKnowledgeTv.net
There's a lot to go and seek and to understand the causality of causality and not only talk of this mRNA! And I'm fed up of this mRNA! It's a messenger! It's a lot more!

I got censored in Stockholm in a conference because I said, "Go and look at the genome-editing document that WHO produced, because this is important."

But the cause of the cause is a synthetic injection with nanocircuits that go on with 5G. It's been evidenced by experts who recognized and did it, that it is a nanocircuit.

It's beyond what doctors know, what normal scientists know. And we have to get every engineer in – or veterans who have who know anything about nanoparticles and nanotech – to come and help us to understand what's going on, because we have to know how to detach this from the body and clean.

Sabrina Wallace gets into the latest detail of all of this, which I will cover in my next post, but here's a teaser:

"The cyber physical backbone with the IEEE was already in place in 2017. And Alison McDowell told you to write letters to the stakeholders, the people who pay their bills. You don't pay their bills – so, what do they care about your letters?!

Spartacus, March 25th, 2025: "It's a far more plausible scenario than people would think. AI don't have to run on computers alone. That's just one substrate. Biology is another substrate that AI can run on."

Yeah, human bodies make great antennas and the most powerful quantum computer is between your ears, said Our Divine Lady of the Red Phone.

DNA computers, lipid-based logic gates, chemical computation through receptor-ligand interactions, etc. 2006 paper entitled, "Towards Computing with Proteins". That's molecular communication, right now, today, and since 2014, commercially:


WHITE PAPER: "Towards Computing with Proteins" - Pub. April 1, 2006 by PubMed
To quote the abstract:

"We discuss how to design protein molecules that would serve as the best computational element by functioning as a nanological gate, utilizing DNA tags for recognition, phosphorylation, exonuclease reactions for information processing."

You're a walking hard drive. DNA steganography. That's what I said."

ForbiddenNews Substack is a reader-supported publication.




Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v6pj149/?pub=4

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Or maybe 100 million, or possibly far far more than that.

I wrote 'pathologically injured' in the title. That could have been much longer, in a more complete expression of what I meant to summarize. They're mentally and/or emotionally compromised and irrational by most measures. (Certainly spiritually so.) Quite a few, by some definitions, may even be 'insane' — or to coin a better term, 'un-sane'.

And many are in positions of power or authority, in banking, commerce, education, the military, and (of course) in government. (Pathologically damaged people are often competitive and ambitions and therefore rise in hierarchical ranks quite quickly.)

Some refer to the phenomenon as a 'mind virus', which may be fairly accurate in terms of its behavior: it's infectious, debilitating, hostile to others' well-being in many aspects, and it seems to protect itself fiercely against healing or cure.

I also mentioned 'the west', but while this is where it seems to me to be most visible, the phenomenon may be more endemic than that.

I've been thinking about this for a long time. I suspect everyone reading this will know what I'm seeking to describe. I'd like to discuss its causes and effects, and see if between us we can make a few predictions on what the future may hold for humanity.

Not gonna quote Yogi Berra /Mark Twain, about the difficulty of predicting the future, but I’m game to try.

My prediction for the future, regarding this set of ~mind-viruses, is that we will see them in the rearview mirror, by and by.

This opinion is not just an expression of rebuttal to the dreadful thread premise of “looking for the worst”, I really think we will.

Groups of people have gone crazy, in the historical record, and yet we seem fine today.

No one expected the Inquisition, nor lots of other stuff. I get that conspiracies generally take a while to percolate, so can sometimes be seen in the making by keen observers, but has such an observer ever changed things/history? Or is this just an intellectual game?

[onawah]

There really can't be a comprehensive discussion about this without taking into account many factors, such as how vulnerable human beings are to negative entities, Archons, or demons--whatever you want to call them.
Though not to imply that negative entities may not be vastly different from one another, or that they all manifest in the same way.
The heading of negative entities can include regressive ETs, negative beings from other dimensions, troubled spirits of human beings who have passed but remain stuck on this plane in a non-material form, possibly even AI.
Human beings are not designed to be subject to all the toxic energies and frequencies that our current technologies are constantly emitting, which rather than helping with human evolution, in many ways I think are stalling it.
But Nature itself can also make human beings mentally unbalanced, such as with the current geomagnetic pole reversal process that is depeleting the protective planetary magnetosphere, thus admitting much more energy from the Sun and the cosmos than is normal.
It's clear that there are naturally caused cataclysms that occur in cycles, greatly reducing the population and necessitating a "restart", going back to a pre-industrial kind of paradigm.
It also seems clear that Gaia is due for a good long rest upcoming soon, as humanity has largely been failing to perform good stewardship of the planet.
Bill's OP is requesting that we discuss what might be humanity's future, and what I have surmised is that the population is going to be drastically reduced due to earth changes the solar cycles regularly cause, and most souls who are incarnate now on the planet will be going elsewhere.
I would not be surprised if this planet is fairly unique and a kind of experiment in that there are so many different races here and so many very different levels of soul evolution present at the same time, so many different cultures and religions, etc. all of which can only make living cooperatively much more difficult than if there were much less diversity (though no doubt also making it more interesting).
So to describe Earth as a "difficult school" also seems accurate, and one can logically conclude that even just maintaining a good level of sanity is difficult and is part of the overall lesson, especially in very challenging times such as these.
Though hopefully, the level of difficulty will decrease eventually as the cycle of the Kali Yuga is ending (or so we are told) and beginning is the ascent into an Age of greater Light.

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
Groups of people have gone crazy, in the historical record, and yet we seem fine today.

"Fine"-- in what way?

[syrwong]

There is one important element which is overlooked. The vaccine injured are probably also brain injured, since the spike protein or whatever poisons in the vile attack to brain predominantly. If the brain is physically injured or altered by the toxins, mental health is affected. There was a thread discussing personality change in the vaccinated or covid-infected. I believe it is very real. After almost three years, I observe people and some of my friends become more negative. They are easily angered, nervous, suicidal, distrustful, egoistic, mentally unstable etc. I think the personality change and as a whole the social personality change is unmistakable. This is like a demon creeping into the minds of the population without their awareness. I think this factor is related to this thread.

[onawah]

Not just brain damage, but damage to the entire being, as the self-replicating nanotechnology in the jabs (which is being distributed now ubiquitously via chemtrails as well) sucks the life out of the blood cells and interacts with technology outside of the body, such as 5G, which enables mind control.
Rudolf Steiner warned that the jabs serve to disconnect people from their spirits, which would certainly affect personality change and mental health.
The ability to reproduce is being drastically reduced as well, all part of the depopulation agenda.

Posted by syrwong (here)
There is one important element which is overlooked. The vaccine injured are probably also brain injured, since the spike protein or whatever poisons in the vile attack to brain predominantly. If the brain is physically injured or altered by the toxins, mental health is affected. There was a thread discussing personality change in the vaccinated or covid-infected. I believe it is very real. After almost three years, I observe people and some of my friends become more negative. They are easily angered, nervous, suicidal, distrustful, egoistic, mentally unstable etc. I think the personality change and as a whole the social personality change is unmistakable. This is like a demon creeping into the minds of the population without their awareness. I think this factor is related to this thread.

[arwen]

Thanks onawah - all important additions. The egregious assault on humanity goes way back of course, is definitely spiritual - inter-dimensional - and it is bizarre that it is still psychopaths and their sycophants still running the show through governments and corporations.

We also need to add how much that was potentially beneficial to humanity has been suppressed and hidden. Energy device creators killed, long trail of documented evidence of that. Anything beneficial to humanity was either co-opted or suppressed. And the MK Ultra and many other Projects to subdue humanity through mind control.

But in my view, the real killer, hardly ever discussed here on Avalon, was the Education systems of the world, deliberately dumbing down people, removing essential knowledge and skills from them, and crushing their creativity and special gifts. There is a huge body of research in pedagogy which used to impart critical thinking skills, and exposure to all kinds of knowledge which has been ACTIVELY and systematically deleted from the education systems all around the world. As a result, most average people are very unaware of so many things, and those that are more aware, inevitably end up being mere perpetuators and parrots of media propaganda, without any interest in listening to people themselves who are actually living a situation.

I was there when they changed to term at the United Nations - UNESCO - from "Information Literacy" - which imparted a whole series of valuable information analysis skills - to "Media Literacy", which was defined as only listening to Listed Approved Media sources without any critical inquiry. I could start a whole thread on that alone, it happens to be my area of expertise - but it would be a waste of time here.

I agree with you, a great cleanse will occur, naturally, the "stock" - humans - will be eliminated, the psychopaths will survive and re-emerge and set the whole thing up again in their favor, and the cycle will repeat. It could be different - easily - humanity could flourish and evolve and mature - without that Interference - but the Interference will never end because the Psychopaths have stolen all the knowledge, and all the resources, and that will never change.

"Just passing through, once" is a good approach. I know there are untold numbers of other Universes to play in, and I am looking very forward to moving to my next one when the time is right.

[shaberon]

Posted by Jaak (here)
One of the reasons why i dont have a high opinion about desert religions (judaism,christianity,islam) that are heavily inclined to materialism . Be a good lamb/obedient slave and you will get all kinds of materialistic pleasures and wealth in the afterlife (all them virgins and to live in a place made out of gold and gems) ...
And the main reason that they see themselves not part of nature but something different. Im more inclined to shamanism/tengrism that has been native to the region where i come from for thousands of years.

What you have criticized is the Abrahamic tradition.

Mongolia is a desert. It's not Abrahamic.

As Estonian, he's making a literal comment. Europe was practically totally converted to Abrahamism by violent means, except for the Baltic states. In particular, the Roman form was very different from Orthodoxy. They didn't actually usurp most local leadership. They extracted allegiance. What they did was to install Bishops, which thereby set up a central control over education, socialization, and basically all thought-related processes.

And I would say the term "religion" has no meaning outside of Abrahamism.

Other traditions are fundamentally not the same, opposite to the point where drawing a pie chart of the World's Eight Great Religions is thoroughly misleading.

The effects on society here are neurosis, which primarily is debilitative, but in some cases can lead to pathology or arises in conjunction with a pathological trauma. Mostly just a matter of degree. On a strictly clinical level, I would have to say this is widely and generally true, usually inseparable from predictable factors. Of course, the spread of discomfort and fear increases dependency, so this really snowballs.

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by onawah (here)
There really can't be a comprehensive discussion about this without taking into account many factors, such as how vulnerable human beings are to negative entities, Archons, or demons--whatever you want to call them.
Though not to imply that negative entities may not be vastly different from one another, or that they all manifest in the same way.
The heading of negative entities can include regressive ETs, negative beings from other dimensions, troubled spirits of human beings who have passed but remain stuck on this plane in a non-material form, possibly even AI.
Human beings are not designed to be subject to all the toxic energies and frequencies that our current technologies are constantly emitting, which rather than helping with human evolution, in many ways I think are stalling it.
But Nature itself can also make human beings mentally unbalanced, such as with the current geomagnetic pole reversal process that is depeleting the protective planetary magnetosphere, thus admitting much more energy from the Sun and the cosmos than is normal.
It's clear that there are naturally caused cataclysms that occur in cycles, greatly reducing the population and necessitating a "restart", going back to a pre-industrial kind of paradigm.
It also seems clear that Gaia is due for a good long rest upcoming soon, as humanity has largely been failing to perform good stewardship of the planet.
Bill's OP is requesting that we discuss what might be humanity's future, and what I have surmised is that the population is going to be drastically reduced due to earth changes the solar cycles regularly cause, and most souls who are incarnate now on the planet will be going elsewhere.
I would not be surprised if this planet is fairly unique and a kind of experiment in that there are so many different races here and so many very different levels of soul evolution present at the same time, so many different cultures and religions, etc. all of which can only make living cooperatively much more difficult than if there were much less diversity (though no doubt also making it more interesting).
So to describe Earth as a "difficult school" also seems accurate, and one can logically conclude that even just maintaining a good level of sanity is difficult and is part of the overall lesson, especially in very challenging times such as these.
Though hopefully, the level of difficulty will decrease eventually as the cycle of the Kali Yuga is ending (or so we are told) and beginning is the ascent into an Age of greater Light.

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
Groups of people have gone crazy, in the historical record, and yet we seem fine today.

"Fine"-- in what way?

Why? You got a favorite meaning of that word? What does it mean to you, before I bother answering?

Asking in hopes I can bring out my fav defender of that kind of righteousness.

Fellow old guy, and my countryman, he makes near as mean a cup of coffee as me.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8osbvRvA_C8

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I remain optimistic. Though we've been abused, deceived, and manipulated; cheated, poisoned and beaten into submission to the very edge of insanity -- we will come out the other side intact, and the stronger for it.

For those like us who have knowledge [spiritual knowledge and the faith that comes with it] there should be no cause for despair. Even as bad as things may seem, there's always light at the end of the tunnel.

I read this extract just recently in the teachings of Silver Birch; I thought the timing most apt:

Your world is at a precarious stage of its evolution. It is almost seemingly a touch-and-go situation. You will come through. Pay no heed to the Cassandras, to the prophets and criers of woe.

The Great Spirit has placed a limit on the damage and harm that can be done by man in your world. There is no power in your world that is able to destroy the whole of it. There is no power that can kill the physical bodies of all who dwell on it. There is a limit to what man can do with the most complicated, efficient technological devices that he can invent.

The power of the spirit is stronger than any power of matter that can be produced. Matter is inferior to spirit. Spirit is king and matter is servant. Spirit is supreme, matter exists only because of spirit operating through it. When spirit withdraws, matter disintegrates. Spirit is the overruling power to ensure that you will come through.

Base your confidence on the knowledge which should be the foundation of all your philosophy. When you are confronted with situations where your present knowledge cannot help you, then add some faith to it, founded on what you know. Faith has its part to play when it is reasoned, logical and credible.

[onawah]

The following quote from the "You Must Laugh at Least Once a Day sums it up pretty well...(bold letters my emphasis)

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
Ah, but it's a balance, a yin and a yang, like the positive and negative charge of the ion, and we must learn to acknowledge and dance with both.

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
Groups of people have gone crazy, in the historical record, and yet we seem fine today.

Posted by onawah (here)
"Fine"-- in what way?

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
Base your confidence on the knowledge which should be the foundation of all your philosophy. When you are confronted with situations where your present knowledge cannot help you, then add some faith to it, founded on what you know. Faith has its part to play when it is reasoned, logical and credible.[/COLOR][/INDENT]

Agreed!

[Denise/Dizi]

Applauds Onawah here for sharing again, the one issue people tend to sweep away as if it was a transient issue, when it was the beginning of an issue we will more than likely never be able to "Put back in the test tube"... and it will only grow now... (The issue).. Silently, while everyone browsed over it as if it was just a subtle bulletpoint that had no longevity... That mindset can only be dismissive and dangerous...

[norman]

Adding a little faith will do for now, in an emergency (maybe, I'm not sure about that) but eventually or hopefully, the penny will drop.

Posted by norman (here)
What love ISN'T, is a very long list.

As long as we continue to use love like a spoon full of sugar to sweeten poison, that list grows, until . . . . . .

[Ernie Nemeth]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Very many thanks, everyone, for all your responses.

I've been pondering all this since I started the thread. My briefest further thoughts:

• Things have been far, far worse (i.e. more prejudiced, vindictive, irrational and brutal) in almost all other known historical times and places.

• The human race is indeed gradually becoming more genuinely civilized, spiritual, and rational — but only in very small increments. This is dangerously outpaced by our exponential growth in technological prowess.

• The thread Why humans are unintelligent: it's all about belief has applied to almost all known human people since the dawn of time.

• The waters are muddied nowadays because of the advent of the internet and the 24/7 news cycle, which barely existed even 30 years ago. This enables far more rapid and intense population-wide emotional and intellectual manipulation than there has ever been previously, while at the same time allowing for the possibility of a minority of people becoming genuinely well-informed in ways that support real thinking for oneself.

• We have a LONG LONG way to go. It's possible we may never 'get there' if the human tendency for prejudice, vindictiveness, irrationality and brutality is too deeply hardwired.

Where are we going?
There is no goal from our perspective and, by our own current agency no one escapes.

My best argument is that in all of written history the human condition has been one of constant suffering, with the majority struggling to survive and accosted by perpetual violence and intolerance.
It has always been so.
Since it is still that way today we can safely assume it is an intentional outcome - this world is intended/designed to continue the saga of the great human never-ending struggle to satisfy an insatiable urge. It matters not what, just so long as there is an urge to accomplish something.

Since in the world of the finite nothing is ever finished, the urges just keep on driving the hunger. It is a bottomless pit of vituperative self-delusion for most, while a small few bask in the glory of ego-gratification that soon requires further ego-stroking because the glory always fades...


If we are crazy, it might just be a good sign. Because the one sure thing is this - the insane are unaware of their insanity.


Maybe we will soon wake up and realize it was all just a dream of our own making...

That realization can only come however, when the world of our dreams has turned into an intolerable nightmare from which we actually want to escape, and not just remould again in our most recent favoured image.


I haven't lived this life, I have watched it unfold and sometimes wondered about my decisions. Why did I do that, why didn't I do this? And I try and make sense of my life based on past experience.
As I have gotten older I have realized that my life has been perfect, with events transpiring exactly as they had to in order for me to arrive here just now as I am. It has been a cosmic dance of intricate perfection and my conscious participation was really not all that important (because what I would think is/was always what I would have to think given the circumstance).

Life here is a retrospective act. Life here is a thought form from the past. It is a dream that has ended. But the dreamer is not yet awake.

There is a life now, not here or there, not then or to be.
We are living it.
Wake up!