Why Do The Woke Support Palestine?

[JackMcThorn]

I think it is because 'misery loves company'. This company is supportive and sympathetic no matter if right or wrong.

It also is about the 'squeaky wheel' movements. They get all the attention particularly from sources hell bent on promotion. The grease is the main stream media and other presenters or media distribution such as entertainment. The path of least resistance to promotion for low percentage populations of movements is indeed the loudest and most diverse presentation media.

Further, it is about 'shock value' and the connection to 'emotional discourse'. This applies to those involved in the conflict as equally as those observing the conflict with no part to play other than to vocalize their support or lack thereof.

Frankly, like some people, I don't give a damn any longer. I no longer pick sides. Some might say well being impartial is wrong but I disagree. Let these conflicts play out and let these actors get it out of their system. At least until the point where it is a direct effect to me or mine. [Which is unlikely unless our leaders do something stupid.] These low hills with low perspective percentage of squeaky wheels are not worth the time.

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
My main concern is and has been the several hundred thousand fighting age male illegals the deep state and democrats have stashed away all over in this country. They are a part of this unholy alliance you mentioned.

I share that concern. I'm thinking of that part in "V for Vendetta" where V flicks the first domino and we're taken thru a montage of planned events that are sure to follow the first.

These events feel like the first few dominoes.

Trump won and that's all well and good, but sociopaths never go quietly. Their attitude is that if they can't have the country, no one can. I expect to see a lot of violence and chaos in the coming months, and I'm not sure anything can be done to prevent it.

I also expect more violence and chaos. Riots and several cities with fires burning by July 4th I suspect. Summer of Love 2.0

Strange synchronicity that you mentioned July 4th. I'm sure it's been posted elsewhere, but the Bipartisan Commission on Biodefense released a report called The National Blueprint for Biodefense in April of 2024 which forecasts a biological attack on July 4th, 2025, which will kill 280,000 Americans and nearly as many animals. This thing reads like an Event 201 and was signed by some seriously corrupt players in the deep state ranks. Here's the document:

https://biodefensecommission.org/wp-...al_digital.pdf

And here's David Martin's recent warning:

Source: https://www.rumble.com/video/v6r2p9v/?pub=4

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
My main concern is and has been the several hundred thousand fighting age male illegals the deep state and democrats have stashed away all over in this country. They are a part of this unholy alliance you mentioned.

I share that concern. I'm thinking of that part in "V for Vendetta" where V flicks the first domino and we're taken thru a montage of planned events that are sure to follow the first.

These events feel like the first few dominoes.

Trump won and that's all well and good, but sociopaths never go quietly. Their attitude is that if they can't have the country, no one can. I expect to see a lot of violence and chaos in the coming months, and I'm not sure anything can be done to prevent it.

I also expect more violence and chaos. Riots and several cities with fires burning by July 4th I suspect. Summer of Love 2.0

Strange synchronicity that you mentioned July 4th. I'm sure it's been posted elsewhere, but the Bipartisan Commission on Biodefense released a report called The National Blueprint for Biodefense in April of 2024 which forecasts a biological attack on July 4th, 2025, which will kill 280,000 Americans and nearly as many animals. This thing reads like an Event 201 and was signed by some seriously corrupt players in the deep state ranks. Here's the document:

https://biodefensecommission.org/wp-...al_digital.pdf

I looked over that report, these people truly belong in the pits of hell.

[161803398]

Perhaps my shock at seeing the title of your post is a result of the fact I am Canadian. We fail, up here, to understand what seems to have become an American proclivity to label people as being this or that and then following with a judgment or at least a description of what those labels include. This has never been my experience. We are more fluid here. We are simply people and some of us have ideas which are different from other people at certain times. Sometimes our ideas change depending on circumstances, age, education, experience, insight. One of my close friends was a Marxist in his youth and is now a variety of conservative. We aren't set in stone. On certain subjects I am more conservative, on others, the total opposite. It depends on the subject of my focus. I swing a hard left, as do many, on the subject of genocide and war. So, in my view, I have no idea why the so called "woke", whatever that means, wouldn't be horrified by what is happening in Palestine. Whether they are people who tend to cry about everything or nothing doesn't matter. Whether they are white, black or blue is irrevelant. Of course, there are certain entities with an agenda who descend on any unrest like vultures hoping to gain some advantage, to obfiscate or obtain information and there are many in the US who seek to gain advantage and confusion for their own benefit and get the finger pointing in the wrong direction. I'd point a finger at your billionaires, corporations to name a few. But as long as people are able to establish a certain amount of trust with each other in spite of their differences, these vultures will fail. Creating labels is only helpful to minds that seek to divide.

[Gemma13]

Posted by Mike (here)
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/bou...ttack-06-01-25

Another wonderful "Free Palestine" friend has blessed us with his virtue (Mohamed Sabry Soliman) by setting people on fire at a Jewish community event in Colorado with a makeshift flamethrower.

All this on the heels of the fatal shootings of the Israeli embassy staffers in Washington D.C. by yet another deeply caring, sympathetic and sincere Palestinian supporter, Elias Rodriguez. Rodriguez is a clear woke radical, while Mohamed Sabry Soliman appears to be an illegal alien from Egypt. Not much is known about Soliman at this point, but I'm going to go ahead and take a wild guess and assume he's an Islamist.

There is something of an unholy alliance between the woke and the radical Islamists atm, and that might be for an entirely different thread.

I agree. Wokespeak is abetting a very deliberate and dangerous M.O. that they've given little introspection to. Believing, recklessly, that in doing so it will help sustain their own delusional global petitions.

I'll be starting a thread over the next couple weeks re this "unholy alliance". Still digging deep atm on a topic fraught with trip wires, delicate sensibilities, and bulldozer persuasions.

[Mike]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
Perhaps my shock at seeing the title of your post is a result of the fact I am Canadian. We fail, quite a bit, up here, to understand what seems to have become an American proclivity to label people as being this or that and then following with a judgment or at least a description of what those labels include. This has never been my experience. We are more fluid here. We are simply people and some of us have ideas which are different from other people at certain times. Sometimes our ideas change depending on circumstances, age, education, experience, insight. One of my close friends was a Marxist in his youth and is now a variety of conservative. We aren't set in stone. On certain subjects I am conservative, on others, the total opposite. It depends on the subject of my focus. I swing a hard left, as do many, on the subject of genocide and war. So, in my view, I have no idea why the so called "woke", whatever that means, wouldn't be horrified by what is happening in Palestine. Whether they are people who tend to cry about everything or nothing doesn't matter. Whether they are white, black or blue is irrevelant. Of course, there are certain entities with an agenda who descend on any unrest like vultures hoping to gain some advantage, to obfiscate or obtain information and there are many in the US who seek to gain advantage and confusion for their own benefit and get the finger pointing in the wrong direction. I'd point a finger at your billionaires, corporations to name a few. But as long as people are able to establish a certain amount of trust with each other in spite of their differences, these vultures will fail. Creating labels is only helpful to the evil minds that seek to divide us.

We're always labeling things as this or that and describing and judging. It's how we explain the world to ourselves. It's the only way.

You mentioned your friend, the Marxist. You clearly don't have a problem with tagging and labeling that group of people. Why? How do you feel about using the word "fascist"? "Nazi"? "Communist"? Have you used those words in the past? Judged those groups of people? Described them? Of course.

"Woke" is no different. It's a social, political, and quasi religious philosophy that is very similar to Marxism. But instead of the working class vs the bourgeoisie, it's black vs white, straight vs gay, trans vs everyone, man vs woman, and so on. I've defined "woke" maybe a dozen times and in a dozen different ways in this thread; you can't read it and not know what it means. It represents a cultural rot, and the first step to understanding it is describing it.

So far you've come out against labeling, judging, and critical thinking. Everyone is judging all the time in order to decide whether the people and things they encounter in the world are good or bad for them. You've done that re our billionaires and corporations. Without labeling things we can't make distinctions between this or that. And without critical thinking we're simply automatons, imbibing propaganda and lies and whatever is presented to us. It sounds like you're describing a coma victim, not a country of fully functioning people. I shudder to think of it. It can't exist. A country like that might do something crazy like elect a globalist WEF stooge for prime minister

[Mike]

Posted by JackMcThorn (here)
I think it is because 'misery loves company'. This company is supportive and sympathetic no matter if right or wrong.

It also is about the 'squeaky wheel' movements. They get all the attention particularly from sources hell bent on promotion. The grease is the main stream media and other presenters or media distribution such as entertainment. The path of least resistance to promotion for low percentage populations of movements is indeed the loudest and most diverse presentation media.

Further, it is about 'shock value' and the connection to 'emotional discourse'. This applies to those involved in the conflict as equally as those observing the conflict with no part to play other than to vocalize their support or lack thereof.

Frankly, like some people, I don't give a damn any longer. I no longer pick sides. Some might say well being impartial is wrong but I disagree. Let these conflicts play out and let these actors get it out of their system. At least until the point where it is a direct effect to me or mine. [Which is unlikely unless our leaders do something stupid.] These low hills with low perspective percentage of squeaky wheels are not worth the time.

All good points Jack.

It sounds like you're describing bitterness, resentment, and narcissism.. all compounded by overemotionalism and a lack of rationality. That's the cluster B diagnosis I've been droning on about on the forum for a while now. The woke are like a cluster B hive in a very real way. They are like psychic vampires seeking drama and tragedy to loosh the energy to fortify their delusional sense of victimhood. They can't exist without it.

[161803398]

On the election: It is unfortunate that we have a globalist PM. You might note that Poilievre was going to win partly because of the globalist concern. In my view the turning point was when he recently commented that he wouldn't mind if a bomb hit Iran as well as what appeared to be too great similarities to Trump. Do not doubt Canadians were torn but ultimately decided that Poilievre was too much of a risk.

On my friend: His Marxism was self described and based on his education.

Fascism, Nazism and communism are political ideologies although there are different types and definitions. I have never, personally, labelled anyone as one or the other.

"Woke" is quite vague. I understand it means very different things to different people. It started with the black community to mean awareness of social injustice. The way you use it strikes me as pejorative so it means something different to you. That difference was established in the minds of many and, I suspect, deliberately attached to some extreme ideas promulgated by those who wished to create division. We had experience with our PM Trudeau who tried to create division in Canada. I think some people fell for that in their naivity.

I am certainly not against critical thinking. I rely on it if I have enough information. Sometimes we have to rely on guts and morality. I might know more about this than you because, as I mentioned, Northern Ireland. I know what fear and propaganda can do to some people more than others. And perhaps you can't imagine how critical thinking can go out the window when people become paranoid or angry.

[Mike]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
On the election: It is unfortunate that we have a globalist PM. You might note that Poilievre was going to win partly because of the globalist concern. In my view the turning point was when he recently commented that he wouldn't mind if a bomb hit Iran as well as what appeared to be too great similarities to Trump. Do not doubt Canadians were torn but ultimately decided that Poilievre was too much of a risk.

On my friend: His Marxism was self described and based on his education.

Fascism, Nazism and communism are political ideologies although there are different types and definitions. I have never, personally, labelled anyone as one or the other.

"Woke" is quite vague. I understand it means very different things to different people. It started with the black community to mean awareness of social injustice. The way you use it strikes me as pejorative so it means something different to you. That difference was established in the minds of many and possibly deliberately attached to some extreme ideas promulgated by those who wished to create division in my opinion. We had experience with our PM Trudeau who tried to create division in Canada. I think some people fell for that in their naivity.

I am certainly not against critical thinking. I rely on it if I have enough information. Sometimes we have to rely on guts and morality. I might know more about this than you because, as I mentioned, Northern Ireland. I know what fear and propaganda can do to some people more than others. And perhaps you can't imagine how critical thinking can go out the window when people become paranoid or angry.

Whether you've actually labeled anyone a fascist, Communist, or Nazi doesn't really matter. Point is, you certainly could identify one based on their politics and philosophical inclinations. That's all I'm doing here. I'm identifying woke. Woke is no more or less vague than Marxism, Fascism, or Nazism. It's also a political ideology (and a philosophical one, and a quasi religious one). It can be described in general terms in a sentence or two, but like any political/philosophical ideology it can be expounded upon as well. I've done both here in this thread.

You're correct in describing woke as it was originally, but words/concepts travel. And now it means something else entirely.

re critical thinking: Woke is anti-critical thinking, and almost exclusively propagandistic. It seeks to create narratives while pathologically avoiding objective reality.

It's a shame about Poilievre. The United States elected Joe Biden, so we're certainly not immune to making poor decisions too.

[161803398]

What I can identify is hate and I am not bad on recognizing manipulation and propaganda. I think most Canadians are too sensible for "woke" as you describe it except for our ridiculous PM Trudeau who had to resign. We already try to get along with everyone. The exception to that was the covid BS which was quite shocking. We hoped we wouldn't turn into Rwanda. At least there were enough of us who were aware.

[Mike]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
What I can identify is hate and I am not bad on recognizing manipulation and propaganda. I think most Canadians are too sensible for "woke" as you describe it except for our ridiculous PM Trudeau who had to resign. We already try to get along with everyone. The exception to that was the covid BS which was quite shocking. We hoped we wouldn't turn into Rwanda. At least there were enough of us who were aware.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on Trudeau. And also with the covid BS. We're eye to eye there.

I've always enjoyed my time in Canada. The people are great. I have great admiration for the Canadian trucker protesters. But I find the current prime minister (and the former, Trudeau) to be quite horrifying. If Poulievre was anything like Trump, he'd have secured your border, kicked out illegals, squashed woke, revived the economy, and preserved free speech. Why would the Canadians view that as risky? They think a WEF globalist stooge is less risky than a conservative populist? Like I said, we here in the US have elected some awful presidents too, so I'm not singling out Canada. I'm just trying to understand.

If the word "woke" is what's getting in your craw, simply substitute in Communism, Marxism, or Socialism. That's essentially what woke is anyway. While not an exact match, it's certainly a species of those ideologies ("equity" = equality of outcome, which is the beating heart of both woke and Communism/Marxism/Socialism). Or just invent your own label if you wish. It hardly matters. I use the word woke because we have to call it something if we're going to seriously talk about it.

[Raskolnikov]

It seems to me tpb seized on the social justice angle of "woke," again, a perversion and diversion of "awake" (they're always inverting everything), in order to curb the tide of those awakening to the propaganda and lies they've been fed their whole lives. I love your rational analysis of the whole topic Mike, you make many excellent points. One thing that's occurred to me lately, especially in light of 161803398's line of questioning, is that when it comes to being "too sensible" for woke and attempting to get along with everyone, it's never been an option where the woke are concerned, especially here in America. You will recall the BLM/Antifa riots in the summer of 2020? I would go so far as to call those two groups the military arm of the "woke," the extremity of it's beliefs in action. I ask you this question: How do we get along with Antifa? And now we have black youth all over America attacking (and killing in many cases) white kids simply for being white. This is the social justice practiced by the "woke:" violent retaliation for the victimhood the tv spoon feeds them day in and day out. Again, how do you "get along" with these kids? And that's not even broaching the subject of military aged men infiltrating and being flown in by our corrupt officials, men raised in countries that these same treasonous officials bombed in the name of "democracy." You think these guys'll be "sensible" when you try to reason with them? Maybe we should invite them for coffee? And the coup d'etat, is this group who've been so hopelessly brainwashed actually another species altogether at this point? When I was growing up, every girl on the market was fair game. Not so anymore. I feel for everyone still single. And it's specifically the woke, as a whole, who've been the most jabbed, along with the elderly who still watch CNN. Last question: When you find out she's woke, i.e. boosted to the gills, do you sleep with her?

[Mike]

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
It seems to me tpb seized on the social justice angle of "woke," again, a perversion and diversion of "awake" (they're always inverting everything), in order to curb the tide of those awakening to the propaganda and lies they've been fed their whole lives. I love your rational analysis of the whole topic Mike, you make many excellent points. One thing that's occurred to me lately, especially in light of 161803398's line of questioning, is that when it comes to being "too sensible" for woke and attempting to get along with everyone, it's never been an option where the woke are concerned, especially here in America. You will recall the BLM/Antifa riots in the summer of 2020? I would go so far as to call those two groups the military arm of the "woke," the extremity of it's beliefs in action. I ask you this question: How do we get along with Antifa? And now we have black youth all over America attacking (and killing in many cases) white kids simply for being white. This is the social justice practiced by the "woke:" violent retaliation for the victimhood the tv spoon feeds them day in and day out. Again, how do you "get along" with these kids? And that's not even broaching the subject of military aged men infiltrating and being flown in by our corrupt officials, men raised in countries that these same treasonous officials bombed in the name of "democracy." You think these guys'll be "sensible" when you try to reason with them? Maybe we should invite them for coffee? And the coup d'etat, is this group who've been so hopelessly brainwashed actually another species altogether at this point? When I was growing up, every girl on the market was fair game. Not so anymore. I feel for everyone still single. And it's specifically the woke, as a whole, who've been the most jabbed, along with the elderly who still watch CNN. Last question: When you find out she's woke, i.e. boosted to the gills, do you sleep with her?

Thanks Raskolnikov. Lots of good stuff there.

It's funny because my introduction to "woke" came from my meeting a woman who was woke, but at the time I had no framework from which to understand her. I recall trying to explain all this to a friend, and he was just as perplexed as I was. "What do you mean she's calling speech "violence"? What do you mean she thinks men can have periods?"

At the time I viewed her as an outlier; I had no idea about this mass cultural movement called "woke" until a few years later.. and that's when I had my a-ha moment. She was hip to many of things we discuss here on the forum and in agreement with much of it.. sort of. I'd say she was "New Age", which to my distorted way of thinking at the time made her some kinda intriguing spiritual hipster. But there's actually alotta overlap between New Age and woke, so looking back it's not ironic at all. But at the time I was thinking, how can she be so right about x and so wrong about y? It gave me alotta headaches. This was all back in like 2017, so I wasn't thinking about sexually transmitted spike proteins or anything. But now? Boy that's a good question you've asked, and I can't honestly answer it.

[Mike]

Posted by Strat (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
The purpose is to expose the woke sociopaths who are co-opting the free Palestine movement, and explore the sinister reasons why.

Slam dunk, exactly.

We have different perspectives on the current issue of Israel/Palestine and all that but this is something I can agree with totally. As to why they co-opt these movements I don't know, I'm sure that's a rabbit hole that goes deep.

The reasons they co opt the "Free Palestine" movement are many, but here's a few:

1) they view Israel as the west, and they hate the west and everything they imagine it stands for (patriarchy, systemic racism, colonization etc) They view Israel as an extension of the United States, and we know how much they loathe the United States

2) they view Jews as white "oppressors", who have "colonized" "people of color", which is easily superimposed on their own manufactured struggle. I've put those words and phrases in quotes because they're all woke/Marxist buzz words.

3) they love to signal their virtue without ever having to demonstrate it. By embracing a cause halfway around the globe, and not one locally, they can avoid any kind of real, practical work and achieve the sense of moral superiority their narcissism demands by doing very little outside of protesting and lecturing others. Woke Marxists are obsessed with power above all else, and this is one way in which this is achieved.

4) they inherently dislike the Jews because the Jews almost single-handedly destroy their narrative of the struggling minority. Woke Marxism falls apart when presented with the general success of Jews as a group; this can't be tolerated, so they are often put in the "white adjacent" category and removed from the victim pile. In their eyes, if any group is successful it can only be because they've "oppressed" another group. Ergo, the Jews are "oppressors" on that dimension as well.

..so there's a small list for you. Lots of other reasons too, but that's a start.

[Mike]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/bou...ttack-06-01-25

Another wonderful "Free Palestine" friend has blessed us with his virtue (Mohamed Sabry Soliman) by setting people on fire at a Jewish community event in Colorado with a makeshift flamethrower.

All this on the heels of the fatal shootings of the Israeli embassy staffers in Washington D.C. by yet another deeply caring, sympathetic and sincere Palestinian supporter, Elias Rodriguez. Rodriguez is a clear woke radical, while Mohamed Sabry Soliman appears to be an illegal alien from Egypt. Not much is known about Soliman at this point, but I'm going to go ahead and take a wild guess and assume he's an Islamist.

There is something of an unholy alliance between the woke and the radical Islamists atm, and that might be for an entirely different thread.

I agree. Wokespeak is abetting a very deliberate and dangerous M.O. that they've given little introspection to. Believing, recklessly, that in doing so it will help sustain their own delusional global petitions.

I'll be starting a thread over the next couple weeks re this "unholy alliance". Still digging deep atm on a topic fraught with trip wires, delicate sensibilities, and bulldozer persuasions.

That's awesome! I can't wait to see how you break all that down

[Strat]

Thanks for your input Mike, makes sense. Eventually I'll do my own deep dive on this. My biggest question is where this all came from, I want to know specific details.

I have ideas but nothing I care to bring up just yet. If you put a gun to my head and made me guess I'd say it is universities that have been bowing to outside influence because they're spineless cowards who are only interested in lining their pockets. So they take donations from USA's competitors and these competitors poison the well so that we're not so competitive anymore.

That being said I truly don't know. I hang out with people on the left so that I can keep a finger on the pulse of the left wing 'situation' (and also in a way it's my own self-development as a person, get along with people I don't share views with). I genuinely don't hear any free thinking coming from them, they don't debate each other. I don't know that they're capable of it either because they go 0-100 so fast that it seems impossible for them to sit down with apposing views and flesh things out. On top of that they rarely read books, they follow internet influencers and get all their info from the Youtube Uni or tiktok.

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
It seems to me tpb seized on the social justice angle of "woke," again, a perversion and diversion of "awake" (they're always inverting everything), in order to curb the tide of those awakening to the propaganda and lies they've been fed their whole lives. I love your rational analysis of the whole topic Mike, you make many excellent points. One thing that's occurred to me lately, especially in light of 161803398's line of questioning, is that when it comes to being "too sensible" for woke and attempting to get along with everyone, it's never been an option where the woke are concerned, especially here in America. You will recall the BLM/Antifa riots in the summer of 2020? I would go so far as to call those two groups the military arm of the "woke," the extremity of it's beliefs in action. I ask you this question: How do we get along with Antifa? And now we have black youth all over America attacking (and killing in many cases) white kids simply for being white. This is the social justice practiced by the "woke:" violent retaliation for the victimhood the tv spoon feeds them day in and day out. Again, how do you "get along" with these kids? And that's not even broaching the subject of military aged men infiltrating and being flown in by our corrupt officials, men raised in countries that these same treasonous officials bombed in the name of "democracy." You think these guys'll be "sensible" when you try to reason with them? Maybe we should invite them for coffee? And the coup d'etat, is this group who've been so hopelessly brainwashed actually another species altogether at this point? When I was growing up, every girl on the market was fair game. Not so anymore. I feel for everyone still single. And it's specifically the woke, as a whole, who've been the most jabbed, along with the elderly who still watch CNN. Last question: When you find out she's woke, i.e. boosted to the gills, do you sleep with her?

Thanks Raskolnikov. Lots of good stuff there.

It's funny because my introduction to "woke" came from my meeting a woman who was woke, but at the time I had no framework from which to understand her. I recall trying to explain all this to a friend, and he was just as perplexed as I was. "What do you mean she's calling speech "violence"? What do you mean she thinks men can have periods?"

At the time I viewed her as an outlier; I had no idea about this mass cultural movement called "woke" until a few years later.. and that's when I had my a-ha moment. She was hip to many of things we discuss here on the forum and in agreement with much of it.. sort of. I'd say she was "New Age", which to my distorted way of thinking at the time made her some kinda intriguing spiritual hipster. But there's actually alotta overlap between New Age and woke, so looking back it's not ironic at all. But at the time I was thinking, how can she be so right about x and so wrong about y? It gave me alotta headaches. This was all back in like 2017, so I wasn't thinking about sexually transmitted spike proteins or anything. But now? Boy that's a good question you've asked, and I can't honestly answer it.

Ha! So funny, yet at the same time not. I feel for ya brother. I'm sincerely relieved I don't have to juggle that hot potato. If it's any consolation, as your initial video has shown, the signs are becoming clearer as to who's woke and who's aware, and if you're anything like me, I would find it extremely difficult to hold a conversation with someone who just repeats media talking points, while on the otherhand, when I find myself having a conversation with someone who's aware, it becomes a truly enjoyable experience for both parties. I've heard it said that today "there are no more gurus," that it's all about using your own discernment, but they didn't say it would also be a game of Russian roulette and half the barrel is loaded. Not sure I'd make it with these rules today: take the wrong drug - dead; sleep with the wrong girl - dead; whatever happened to sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll?

Be careful out there.

[Mike]

Posted by Strat (here)
Thanks for your input Mike, makes sense. Eventually I'll do my own deep dive on this. My biggest question is where this all came from, I want to know specific details.

I have ideas but nothing I care to bring up just yet. If you put a gun to my head and made me guess I'd say it is universities that have been bowing to outside influence because they're spineless cowards who are only interested in lining their pockets. So they take donations from USA's competitors and these competitors poison the well so that we're not so competitive anymore.

That being said I truly don't know. I hang out with people on the left so that I can keep a finger on the pulse of the left wing 'situation' (and also in a way it's my own self-development as a person, get along with people I don't share views with). I genuinely don't hear any free thinking coming from them, they don't debate each other. I don't know that they're capable of it either because they go 0-100 so fast that it seems impossible for them to sit down with apposing views and flesh things out. On top of that they rarely read books, they follow internet influencers and get all their info from the Youtube Uni or tiktok.

The origins are sort of a tangled web but not so elusive we can't identify them. Imo you should begin your deep dive with James Lindsay's "New Discourses". He's the Jedi master of all this sh!t.

Woke actually has Gnostic and occult origins. The Gnostic ethos of "being your own God" and rebelling against the "Demiurge" are akin to what we call today moral relativity, which is the idea that we can invent our own moral code while ignoring God's. In this philosophy, God's creations and commandments are "oppressive", since he is viewed as a phony god who's created something akin to a prison. Today we have children and teenagers who view their God-given sex as "oppressive", and imagine they know better than their creator re who and what they truly are. They are in constant rebellion against nature (God).

We live in a "fluid"(morally relative) environment now, socially and politically, which suggests everything is okay if it's aligned with "your truth"...nevermind how backwards and deranged it is. The actual truth - which is synonymous with God - has been shelved in favor radical subjectivity.

More recently woke has emerged from the Frankfurt School, which began in Germany sometime around World War 2, then migrated to New York, and has since moved to Columbia University (which should be no surprise to anyone). The Frankfurt School is best known for advancing 'Critical Theory', which basically is a Marxist approach to society, culture, and politics. I'm sure you've heard of "critical race theory" in recent years in the wake of the George Floyd debacle. Feminism is also a critical theory. Gender Studies, Queer Theory, post colonial theory etc. This is what woke is, more or less..and that's where it directly descended from.

[SilentFeathers]

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Posted by Strat (here)
Thanks for your input Mike, makes sense. Eventually I'll do my own deep dive on this. My biggest question is where this all came from, I want to know specific details.

I have ideas but nothing I care to bring up just yet. If you put a gun to my head and made me guess I'd say it is universities that have been bowing to outside influence because they're spineless cowards who are only interested in lining their pockets. So they take donations from USA's competitors and these competitors poison the well so that we're not so competitive anymore.

That being said I truly don't know. I hang out with people on the left so that I can keep a finger on the pulse of the left wing 'situation' (and also in a way it's my own self-development as a person, get along with people I don't share views with). I genuinely don't hear any free thinking coming from them, they don't debate each other. I don't know that they're capable of it either because they go 0-100 so fast that it seems impossible for them to sit down with apposing views and flesh things out. On top of that they rarely read books, they follow internet influencers and get all their info from the Youtube Uni or tiktok.

The origins are sort of a tangled web but not so elusive we can't identify them. You should begin your deep dive with James Lindsay's "New Discourses". He's the Jedi master of all this sh!t.

Woke actually has Gnostic and occult origins. The Gnostic ethos of "being your own God" and rebelling against the "Demiurge" are akin to what we call today moral relativity, which is the idea that we can invent our own moral code while ignoring God's. In this philosophy, God's creations and commandments are "oppressive", since he is viewed as a phony god who's created something akin to a prison. Today we have children and teenagers who view their God-given sex as "oppressive", and imagine they know better than their creator re who and what they truly are. They are in constant rebellion against nature (God).

We live in a "fluid"(morally relative) environment now, socially and politically, which suggests everything is okay if it's aligned with "your truth"...nevermind how backwards and deranged it is. The actual truth - which is synonymous with God - has been shelved in favor radical subjectivity.

More recently woke has emerged from the Frankfurt School, which began in Germany sometime around World War 2, then migrated to New York, and has since moved to Columbia University (which should be no surprise to anyone). The Frankfurt School is best known for advancing 'Critical Theory', which basically is a Marxist approach to society, culture, and politics. Surely you've heard of "critical race theory" in recent years in the wake of the George Floyd debacle. Feminism is also a critical theory. Gender Studies, Queer Theory, post colonial theory etc. This is what woke is, more or less..and that's where it directly descended from.

If it's anti-truth, then it must pro falsehood. If it's anti-creator, then it must be pro destroyer. If it's not from God, it must be from the Devil, the battle between good and evil.

Therefore, one can say "woke" has a demonic and or satanic cult like element to it. (which I personally believe it does).

[Mike]

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Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Strat (here)
Thanks for your input Mike, makes sense. Eventually I'll do my own deep dive on this. My biggest question is where this all came from, I want to know specific details.

I have ideas but nothing I care to bring up just yet. If you put a gun to my head and made me guess I'd say it is universities that have been bowing to outside influence because they're spineless cowards who are only interested in lining their pockets. So they take donations from USA's competitors and these competitors poison the well so that we're not so competitive anymore.

That being said I truly don't know. I hang out with people on the left so that I can keep a finger on the pulse of the left wing 'situation' (and also in a way it's my own self-development as a person, get along with people I don't share views with). I genuinely don't hear any free thinking coming from them, they don't debate each other. I don't know that they're capable of it either because they go 0-100 so fast that it seems impossible for them to sit down with apposing views and flesh things out. On top of that they rarely read books, they follow internet influencers and get all their info from the Youtube Uni or tiktok.

The origins are sort of a tangled web but not so elusive we can't identify them. You should begin your deep dive with James Lindsay's "New Discourses". He's the Jedi master of all this sh!t.

Woke actually has Gnostic and occult origins. The Gnostic ethos of "being your own God" and rebelling against the "Demiurge" are akin to what we call today moral relativity, which is the idea that we can invent our own moral code while ignoring God's. In this philosophy, God's creations and commandments are "oppressive", since he is viewed as a phony god who's created something akin to a prison. Today we have children and teenagers who view their God-given sex as "oppressive", and imagine they know better than their creator re who and what they truly are. They are in constant rebellion against nature (God).

We live in a "fluid"(morally relative) environment now, socially and politically, which suggests everything is okay if it's aligned with "your truth"...nevermind how backwards and deranged it is. The actual truth - which is synonymous with God - has been shelved in favor radical subjectivity.

More recently woke has emerged from the Frankfurt School, which began in Germany sometime around World War 2, then migrated to New York, and has since moved to Columbia University (which should be no surprise to anyone). The Frankfurt School is best known for advancing 'Critical Theory', which basically is a Marxist approach to society, culture, and politics. Surely you've heard of "critical race theory" in recent years in the wake of the George Floyd debacle. Feminism is also a critical theory. Gender Studies, Queer Theory, post colonial theory etc. This is what woke is, more or less..and that's where it directly descended from.

If it's anti-truth, then it must pro falsehood. If it's anti-creator, then it must be pro destroyer. If it's not from God, it must be from the Devil, the battle between good and evil.

Therefore, one can say "woke" has a demonic and or satanic cult like element to it. (which I personally believe it does).

100% completely and totally agree.