A look beneath the Holocaust Propaganda ...

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Icecold (here)

The vatican could also see what the communists had in store for them, never forget the Spanish civil war.
Bearing in mind that the greatest enemy to the zionist banking system and communism, both bastard children of the same parent, was the NSDAP.

Hitler's invasion of Russia had its roots in the Spanish Civil War. Catholic/Communist/Anarchist lines were drawn in Spain.

To a certain extent the German invasion of Russia was a crusade. War + Pogrom = Crusade.

Not really.
Go google this ''Icebreaker - who really started the second world war'' + Viktor Suvorov.

Posted by 3optic (here)
Trying to reconcile these 2 conspiracy themes. Maybe someone can help.

1 The reports of gas chambers and incinerators at Dachau and Auschwitz are false.

2 FEMA Camps have incinerators and gas chambers in the facilities.

So.. It didn't happen there but it's going to happen here?

Help..

There were gas chambers and crematoria at all the camps.
The thing is, the gas chambers were for delousing bedding and clothing.
And crematoria obviously shows there is a need for hygienic disposal of corpses.
And yes, it is ironic, if true that this is planned.
I doubt it is gas chambers, more like injections or something.

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Gosh, this is a nasty rabbithole. But....hesitating......jumping.......I fly!!!!!!!!!!

A couple of weeks ago I was down another rabbithole, when I suddenly was shown a new Swedish book.

It stated that the camps were created by jews for jews. As I remembered it was about that the purpose

wasnt to get rid of the jews as so often stated. If I understood it right it was about the worship of Marduk

and the purpose of the camps were to generate as much suffering as possible. Something like to create a

surplus of suffering as a sacrifice to ancient gods. Thi is really creepy I think.

If anyone is interested I think I can find the book. But it is in swedish.

i think there were mentioned the fifth root-race too. When I read it I felt like

vommiting all the time. I have seen much in my life and have a strong belly,

but this was far beyond the limit. Love

Jorr, even though that book may disgust you, it contains info I haven't heard of before and it ties in with recent developments in my thinking.
I would be very interested in the details of the book and if possible, a translation.

[K626]

The higher ups in the SS saw the Kaballah (Jewish mysticism) as direct competition to their new 'earth magic esoterica'.

[jorr lundstrom]

Here is a link to the book in pdf. The first part is about that all those Nazi leaders were actually

of jewish blood. Seems like one group of jews opress an other. And the cult described are called

a blood sacrifice cult. I will see if I could take a walk about in the valley of death and translate

some. And it wasnt Marduk, it was Molok. Had a memory once. LOL

I tried to find out who wrote this book but couldnt. But he has written another book on

implantations inside humans found on a swedish hospital. Do I have to say that those

implantations shouldnt have been there.

Love and carrots


http://www.nyapolitiken.biz/frimurar...goran-sade.pdf

A tool for translation http://translate.google.com/#

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by K626 (here)
The higher ups in the SS saw the Kaballah (Jewish mysticism) as direct competition to their new 'earth magic esoterica'.

The kaballah is a rip off of an ancient Greek concept and the SS wouldn't have cared about it, other than view it as a tool of those controlling the world, not as competition.

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Here is a link to the book in pdf. The first part is about that all those Nazi leaders were actually

of jewish blood. Seems like one group of jews opress an other. And the cult described are called

a blood sacrifice cult. I will see if I could take a walk about in the valley of death and translate

some. And it wasnt Marduk, it was Molok. Had a memory once. LOL

I tried to find out who wrote this book but couldnt. But he has written another book on

implantations inside humans found on a swedish hospital. Do I have to say that those

implantations shouldnt have been there.

Love and carrots


http://www.nyapolitiken.biz/frimurar...goran-sade.pdf

Aha, moloch.
Ok, he is mentioned in the old testament and funny enough, sacrifices to him were indeed a holocaust - death by fire.
One of the things you will see in the moloch cult is the bashing of infants heads on the side of the oven before being thrown in, the exact thing SS men were accused of.
I will have a look at the book and get back to you.

[K626]

This is magic

[Lord Sidious]

Ah yes, the Stadium of Light.
That is the zeppelin park in Nurnberg.

[loveandgratitude]

Nazi" is a JEWISH WORD
It derives from the HEBREW (Jewish) word 'Nazir'.. meaning" A Jewish prince who performs holocausts"....
Holocaust, in Hebrew, (Jew tongue) means BURNT OFFERING!
Now then.. put 2 & 2 together.......

http://au.search.yahoo.com/search?fr...+holocausts%22....

Sacrifices of Nazarites
Chapter 6
(§ 6); sacrifices and cutting of the hair when the Nazariteship is fulfilled; burning of the cut hair under the pot in which the flesh of the sacrifice is cooked; other regulations regarding the sacrifices by Nazarites (§§ 7-11).

Read more -
http://www.answers.com/topic/nazir-talmud

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by loveandgratitude (here)
Nazi" is a JEWISH WORD
It derives from the HEBREW (Jewish) word 'Nazir'.. meaning" A Jewish prince who performs holocausts"....
Holocaust, in Hebrew, (Jew tongue) means BURNT OFFERING!
Now then.. put 2 & 2 together.......

And that is also part of ashkenazi, as in one type of jew.
But the followers of the NSDAP never called themselves that, their enemies did.

[jjl]

One of the things you will see in the moloch cult is the bashing of infants heads on the side of the oven before being thrown in, the exact thing SS men were accused of.
I will have a look at the book and get back to you.
Jesus.
(I didnt mean it as a curse just an outcry for humanity)

[aikisaw]

Lord Sidious
Go google this ''Icebreaker - who really started the second world war'' + Viktor Suvorov

.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n6p22_Bishop.html

Suvorov believes that Hitler's preemptive strike came just two or three weeks before Stalin's own planned assault. Thus, as Wehrmacht forces smashed Soviet formations in the initial weeks of the "Barbarossa" attack, the Germans marveled at the great numbers of Soviet tanks and other materiel destroyed or captured -- an enormous buildup sufficient not just for an assault on Germany, but for the conquest of all of Europe. Suvorov writes

Hitler decided that it was not worth his while waiting any longer. He was the first to go, without waiting for the blow of the "liberating" dagger to stab him in the back. He had begun the war in the most favorable conditions which could possibly have existed for an aggressor; but given the nature of Stalin's grand plan, he could never have won it. Even in the most unfavorable conditions, the Red Army was able to "liberate" half of Europe ...

As devastating as it was, Hitler's assault was not fatal. It came too late to be successful. "Even the Wehrmacht's surprise attack on the Soviet Union could no longer save Hitler and his empire," Suvorov writes. "Hitler understood where the greatest danger was coming from, but it was already too late." With great effort, the Soviets were able to recover from the shattering blow. Stalin succeeded in forming new armies to replace those lost in the second half of 1941.

What can now be stated with certainty -- thanks to the work of Suvorov and other revisionist historians -- is that in smashing the great Soviet military buildup in 1941, Hitler dashed Stalin's plan to quickly conquer Europe, and that, in spite of his defeat in 1945, Hitler saved at least the western half of Europe, and tens of millions of people, from the horrors of Soviet subjugation

This is only part of a larger article. Well worth reading.

Did Hitler expect England to come to it's aid against Russia at some point?

I never understood why Germany did not do all it could in attacking England.

[K626]

Posted by aikisaw (here)

Lord Sidious
Go google this ''Icebreaker - who really started the second world war'' + Viktor Suvorov

.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n6p22_Bishop.html

Suvorov believes that Hitler's preemptive strike came just two or three weeks before Stalin's own planned assault. Thus, as Wehrmacht forces smashed Soviet formations in the initial weeks of the "Barbarossa" attack, the Germans marveled at the great numbers of Soviet tanks and other materiel destroyed or captured -- an enormous buildup sufficient not just for an assault on Germany, but for the conquest of all of Europe. Suvorov writes

Hitler decided that it was not worth his while waiting any longer. He was the first to go, without waiting for the blow of the "liberating" dagger to stab him in the back. He had begun the war in the most favorable conditions which could possibly have existed for an aggressor; but given the nature of Stalin's grand plan, he could never have won it. Even in the most unfavorable conditions, the Red Army was able to "liberate" half of Europe ...

As devastating as it was, Hitler's assault was not fatal. It came too late to be successful. "Even the Wehrmacht's surprise attack on the Soviet Union could no longer save Hitler and his empire," Suvorov writes. "Hitler understood where the greatest danger was coming from, but it was already too late." With great effort, the Soviets were able to recover from the shattering blow. Stalin succeeded in forming new armies to replace those lost in the second half of 1941.

What can now be stated with certainty -- thanks to the work of Suvorov and other revisionist historians -- is that in smashing the great Soviet military buildup in 1941, Hitler dashed Stalin's plan to quickly conquer Europe, and that, in spite of his defeat in 1945, Hitler saved at least the western half of Europe, and tens of millions of people, from the horrors of Soviet subjugation

This is only part of a larger article. Well worth reading.

Did Hitler expect England to come to it's aid against Russia at some point?

I never understood why Germany did not do all it could in attacking England.

That last bit is worth investigation.

K

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by aikisaw (here)

Lord Sidious
Go google this ''Icebreaker - who really started the second world war'' + Viktor Suvorov

.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n6p22_Bishop.html

Suvorov believes that Hitler's preemptive strike came just two or three weeks before Stalin's own planned assault. Thus, as Wehrmacht forces smashed Soviet formations in the initial weeks of the "Barbarossa" attack, the Germans marveled at the great numbers of Soviet tanks and other materiel destroyed or captured -- an enormous buildup sufficient not just for an assault on Germany, but for the conquest of all of Europe. Suvorov writes

Hitler decided that it was not worth his while waiting any longer. He was the first to go, without waiting for the blow of the "liberating" dagger to stab him in the back. He had begun the war in the most favorable conditions which could possibly have existed for an aggressor; but given the nature of Stalin's grand plan, he could never have won it. Even in the most unfavorable conditions, the Red Army was able to "liberate" half of Europe ...

As devastating as it was, Hitler's assault was not fatal. It came too late to be successful. "Even the Wehrmacht's surprise attack on the Soviet Union could no longer save Hitler and his empire," Suvorov writes. "Hitler understood where the greatest danger was coming from, but it was already too late." With great effort, the Soviets were able to recover from the shattering blow. Stalin succeeded in forming new armies to replace those lost in the second half of 1941.

What can now be stated with certainty -- thanks to the work of Suvorov and other revisionist historians -- is that in smashing the great Soviet military buildup in 1941, Hitler dashed Stalin's plan to quickly conquer Europe, and that, in spite of his defeat in 1945, Hitler saved at least the western half of Europe, and tens of millions of people, from the horrors of Soviet subjugation

This is only part of a larger article. Well worth reading.

Did Hitler expect England to come to it's aid against Russia at some point?

I never understood why Germany did not do all it could in attacking England.

The idea of letting the British army escape at Dunkirk, was not only to allow themselves to preserve their honour, but as a sign of good faith.
Even then Hitler was naive to the bottomfeeding scum pulling the strings of churchill.
And yes, the plan was that Germany and the UK join forces to destroy communism.
I told you guys I would take you on a ride to places you have never been, didn't I?
And we are only just starting.

[777]

I've always found it screemingly obvious that WW2 was partly fought to facilitate the creation of Israel and global pro-Jewish sympathy. You don't even need to scratch the surface to see this.......

That said, this thread has been nothing short of mindblowing. Thank you Palpatine, for a rollercoaster! I've spent most the day reading this and the links within and feel like I've been truly schooled.

Massive gratitude to all clued up contributors.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by 777 (here)
I've always found it screemingly obvious that WW2 was partly fought to facilitate the creation of Israel and global pro-Jewish sympathy. You don't even need to scratch the surface to see this.......

That said, this thread has been nothing short of mindblowing. Thank you Palpatine, for a rollercoaster! I've spent most the day reading this and the links within and feel like I've been truly schooled.

Massive gratitude to all clued up contributors.

Rollercoaster? I didn't even pull the lever to let it rip yet.
Seriously though, I am glad that you are getting something out of it.
The start was a bit rockey with nuggetry abounding, people accusing me of various things, but we have proceeded along nicely and now we are into ''paydirt'' and the info is flowing out.

[aikisaw]

Posted by 777 (here)
I've always found it screemingly obvious that WW2 was partly fought to facilitate the creation of Israel and global pro-Jewish sympathy. You don't even need to scratch the surface to see this.......

That said, this thread has been nothing short of mindblowing. Thank you Palpatine, for a rollercoaster! I've spent most the day reading this and the links within and feel like I've been truly schooled.

Massive gratitude to all clued up contributors.

Welcome aboard there some twists and turns on this ride but so far all is good.

You can never have too many Star Wars fans on a thread.

[Meditatio]

Posted by Lefty Dave (here)
THERE IS A REASON FOR EVERYTHING..NOTHING IS COINCIDENCE.

For Americans, the overthrow of our nation was quietly done by this cabal of animals, they first took over our money supply... then our banking,then quietly took over our medicine, then our media/entertainment industries, they own most sportsteams, then our news, then our universities, then our libraries, then our publishing both print, music,then our corporations, then most of our crime, and finally they took over our government....now there is no aspect of this lunacy that isn't pervasive in our existence.
Doubt that this is true? They don't try to hide this fact. They want you to know..
all you have to do is look at their last names. Look at where they meet. Look at who they support.Read their 'religious tracts, they tell you right up front what they think of you, and your part in their world..we're the slaves...they are the master race.

My hope is that we can expose this, as the ONLY World War there ever was, and is, as it is ongoing and about to be won. By them.

My view is, free thinking humanity is and has been a thing of the past. Less than 1% of the population of the earth has any idea such a conspiracy even exists. and if you get too close...or get in their way...you're dead.

Now that's just my opinion...I could be wrong...

Still...I refuse to hate anyone...I will not be dragged down to their level...and I wish love and peace for all humankind...

even them.

Beautifully writ. Thanks, just what I need to show my brothers, something succinct and undeniably clear.

The saying 'For Evil To Conquer Only Requires Good Men To Do Nothing' also has its opposite.

For evil is done in the dark, has to done coercively, getting others to do the dirty work for them, keeping ignorance all around. I say that they have their work cut out for them. For evil men will be lazy, and more inclined to sit back and gloat/goat about their position. Good men believe in themselves, and in something larger than themselves, something infinetly more inspiring than security/power. Let the best man win. Credit where credits due, I say. If they are to work for it, good luck to them. The only advantage they have is that they will lie, and not stop to think about doing anything to get their way. That is their head start and they need it. A good man has to check himself, and walk a narrow path. That makes the journey slower, but more certain. A good man feels doubts, many things to slow him down, but, he feels. As Leonardo Da Vinci says
'All Knowledge Begins With Feeling'.

The path to evil is lazy: one enters the wide end of a funnnel, always taking the easy option, only to find the ensuing narrows hard. A good man takes the narrow hard path, and finds that it widens and becomes easier.
In ultimate truth, there is no differerence between us. Something they may never understand!
So understand that.
love
J

[karelia]

Here's an interesting take on Eichmann by Irving: http://codoh.com/irving/irveichgoebb.html

Looks like Eichmann was one of the first to realise who was behind bringing his crew into power and the subsequent fall...

[Meditatio]

I am not sure why this needs "approval" There is no censorship here so long as what is written is done with the best of intents and historical facts can be supported with references.
Witchy

It needs consideration, because 6 countries currently have laws banning speech about it. Basically newspeak. Holocaust denial is like a new dictionary term. And the whole concept is supposed to be so horribly revolting that anyone who brings it up is considered shameless scum. Pity really, since the only holocaust is the one going on in Palestine.
Also, didnt the fashion great just get picked up for 'saying something'?
Its complelty hypocritical. We have Islamic fundamentalists in pakistan murdering people for speaking out about changing and relaxing laws regarding 'insulting' their beliefs, and we admonish ourselves if we don' find that completly unjust, and yet, we are not allowed to stand by our own beliefs of free speech on this controversial subject, lest the jews get annoyed that the truth may be revealed. They got Israel. Can anyone explain how england managed to withdraw from the war there and 'hand it over', like it was theirs to give?
Lest we forget what a sham the nuremberg trials were.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by karelia (here)
Here's an interesting take on Eichmann by Irving: http://codoh.com/irving/irveichgoebb.html

Looks like Eichmann was one of the first to realise who was behind bringing his crew into power and the subsequent fall...

Some interesting quotes from that link.

Posted by David Irving
First of all, Adolf Eichmann is quite plain throughout these papers that the word Endlösung, or "final solution," meant only one thing to him, and that was Madagascar. When he addressed his mind to the "final solution of the Jewish problem" in the late 1930s and early 1940s, it was quite plain to him that it was only a plan to sweep all the Jews of Europe aboard boats and transport them lock, stock, and barrel down to Madagascar, where they would be on an island where they couldn't bother any of their neighbors and where none of their neighbors could bother them

Remember I told you guys what the final solution was?

Posted by David Irving
The second interesting thing that emerges from Eichmann's own papers is that he's chewing over in his mind-- he's frightfully repetitive -- he keeps on coming back, again and again, in his manuscripts and in these conversations to who was behind it, and what was behind it. What was behind the "Holocaust" (if we can use that word loosely here now)? He keeps coming back to the appalling thought: Did they manage to use us? Did the Zionists use the Nazis to further their own ends? Was the Holocaust something that they themselves inflicted on their own body, in order to bring about their Zionist cause in the long run?

The zionists and the NSDAP both wanted the exact same thing, the jews out of Europe. The zionists would make almost any sacrifice to acheive this.

Posted by David Irving
Now, that's not justification. One crime doesn't justify another crime, that's plain. But this is in the memoirs. He also says, "Besides, we had by this time already learned of the Jews' plans for Germany." He mentions explicitly the book by Theodore Kaufman, Germany Must Perish. This is most interesting, because in the Goebbels diaries of August 1941 (which have also not yet been published), Goebbels also mentions Kaufman's book as justification.

This book, published in the United States by a deranged American Jew, presents a crazy plan for liquidating millions of Germans after the war. It was published in August 1941, and is referred to by Goebbels a few weeks before he introduced the plan for Jews to wear a yellow star. You can see a logical sequence of events, and Eichmann refers to this book as being one reason why, in his own mind, he can justify to himself the crimes that he was seeing committed.

Google this book people, see what some jews wanted to do to the Germans, BEFORE the so called holocaust is meant to have started.

Posted by David Irving
Eichmann's comments on the Höss memoirs are annihilating. Reading where Rudolf Höss is saying that two and a half million Jews have been liquidated at Auschwitz, the camp where he was commandant, Eichmann comments, "Where does Höss believe that he got these two and a half million Jews? Not from me. Because to have liquidated two and a half million decrepit, elderly, unworkable Jews, I must have had to feed to him three, four, five, six or seven million Jews in that space of time, and from the transport point of view alone this would have been totally impossible."

You see, the memoirs of Eichmann are very useful in this respect. He was the transport specialist whose job it was to round up the Jews in Hungary and Slovakia. and ship them off to Germany for forced labor and for dissipation to the other labor camps. He knew that shipping off millions of Jews wasn't something you do at the snap of your fingers: you had to have conferences with the railway officials and with the road officials, and with the guards and with everybody else who was going to be involved in all this. You had to provide the food for the transports which were going to be on the rails for four or five or six days. All this had to be prepared and planned with typical German bureaucracy and method, and that took meetings and conferences. And Eichmann said, "If you're going to ship five or six million Jews across Europe to Auschwitz at that time, let me tell you how many trains that would have taken," and he worked out how many trains it would have taken, because he knew.

"You're not only going to have trains going that way full of Jews, you're going to have empty trains coming back. And you're going to have to have a circulation time, a time where they're unloading at one end, a time where they're loading at the other end... You're going to need so many thousands of wagons" of rolling stock. He worked out exactly how much rolling stock would have been needed, in these memoirs, and he said, "This alone proves that Rudolf H_ss was talking through his hat. These figures are totally fantastic, and what the hell is Höss up to?" That is a brief, lurid summary of what Eichmann writes as he's sitting in what he believes to be safety in the underground in Argentina, reading these memoirs of Höss, published in 1958.

Like I said, Eichmann was a transport officer, an Obersturmbannfuhrer in the SS. They would not accept sloppy work.

Posted by David Irving
It's immaterial, one way or the other, because we must never overlook one basic fact: this is a postwar document, and any historian can now confirm that nowhere in all the archives of the world has yet been found one wartime document referring to a Führer's order to destroy the Jews, or for that matter, one wartime document referring to gas chambers or gassings. All the documents that refer to Führer orders and gas chambers are postwar documents; statements by people in the dock at Nuremberg, memoirs written by the commandant at Krakow in Poland, and the like. You can't overlook this basic watershed between wartime and postwar documents. If there's no wartime document that says there was a Führer order, if no wartime document talks of gas chambers, then there has to be some explanation for that

I think this is a key point, about postwar documentation.

Posted by David Irving
But most lethal of all, and I suppose taking up more than 50 percent of the volume of the Eichmann papers, is the description by Eichmann of his negotiations with the Zionists in 1944. After the German invasion of Hungary, Eichmann was sent there to round up the Jews and ship them off. Two Zionist leaders came forward, Joel Brand and Reszö Kasztner [Köstner], and offered to deal with him -- to trade with him -- to rescue the Jews of Hungary and Slovakia, whereby the Germans could keep the Jewish "mob" (and in fact, they offered, the Jewish community in Hungary would be glad to help round them up) if in return Eichmann would guarantee to spare 20,000 of the fittest, the best, the Jewish elite, the toughest ones who were needed in the new Zionist state of Israel.

Eichmann describes these conferences in great detail. He has almost total recall. His descriptions reveal all the cunning and cynicism of the Zionist leaders at that time, at that stage of the war [1944] in a manner which, I think, the Jewish community today would find deeply distressing. This, I think, is why the Eichmann memoirs had to be suppressed, because of the detail. Kasztner was subsequently assassinated in Israel, years later.

There is no doubt about what happened because, working in the archives, I've come across records relating to the British end of these negotiations, which eventually became the famous "Jews-for-trucks" deal. In this, Brand was sent out to negotiate with the British in Turkey, in Palestine, and Egypt; and the deal being that in return for thousands of Jews the world community was to provide the Germans with trucks and motor equipment for fighting on the Russian front. (Not on the western front, of course: the deal had to be the trucks would only be used on the Russian front.) In return, the SS agreed to release a number of Jews. Eichmann was the person handling this deal in Hungary for Germany, and Brand and Kasztner were handling the deal for the Zionists.

These are the lengths they will go to.
Then, after, they cry anti-semitism to keep the ''little jews'' in check.
This is why we HAVE to crack this anti-semitism crap.
Have you guys got any idea how many jews believe this?
How much darkness is drawn to them from this belief?
And in the meantime, jehovah, the god of war thanks them for his meals.
We have to stop this madness.
Also, I would suggest you all have a look at that link, Irving is an interesting guy.
CODOH is the Committee for the Open Debate On the Holocaust run by Bradley Smith

Posted by Meditatio (here)
I am not sure why this needs "approval" There is no censorship here so long as what is written is done with the best of intents and historical facts can be supported with references.
Witchy

It needs consideration, because 6 countries currently have laws banning speech about it. Basically newspeak. Holocaust denial is like a new dictionary term. And the whole concept is supposed to be so horribly revolting that anyone who brings it up is considered shameless scum. Pity really, since the only holocaust is the one going on in Palestine.
Also, didnt the fashion great just get picked up for 'saying something'?
Its complelty hypocritical. We have Islamic fundamentalists in pakistan murdering people for speaking out about changing and relaxing laws regarding 'insulting' their beliefs, and we admonish ourselves if we don' find that completly unjust, and yet, we are not allowed to stand by our own beliefs of free speech on this controversial subject, lest the jews get annoyed that the truth may be revealed. They got Israel. Can anyone explain how england managed to withdraw from the war there and 'hand it over', like it was theirs to give?
Lest we forget what a sham the nuremberg trials were.

I agree with all you say here, except I care not a jot about their ''laws'' about the truth.
What type of ''truth'' needs a penal code to protect it?

[soulsinger]

Has anyone here ever talked with a holocaust survivor in person? Seen the numbers tattooed on their arm? Heard their stories from the concentration camp?

As a person of Jewish heritage, I find so much of the anti-Jewish talk in "conspiracy" discussions very disheartening. According to many people on the internet, we Jews are the MAIN source of all the world's problems and evils. I ask myself, how can this be? Neither I, nor my family, nor anyone with whom my family has associated, has participated in a zionist plot to deceive and oppress others. MANY (and nearly all whom I know) Jews are deeply opposed to the treatment of the Palestinian people (including me). I have known my culture to produce wise, kind, and good-hearted people. Also, a bunch of jerks, just as in any human group.

I'm not saying all Jews are innocent of conspiracy, just as I can't say that about non-Jews. I'm just saying... a lot of people talk and talk about Jews as if we're a homogeneous group, agreeing on some grand agenda. Do all (or even most, or even a significant percentage of) people of ANY race, nationality, or religion unite in common purpose?? No. Never. We're just *people,* like any others. The vast majority are not rich, powerful, or influential on the global scale.

I'm not sure how the tragedy of the torture and killing of six million people can be EXAGGERATED. Nor the tragedy of the torture and killing of the millions more who were homosexual, gypsies, handicapped, or sympathizers with the persecuted. Yes, certainly, in other conflicts there has been loss of life in greater numbers. I think the reason the holocaust is so viscerally memorable to those in the Western world... is cultural proximity. People have friends, relatives, *personal* connections to a horrific atrocity, and that makes it more personally relevant to them. Deaths in Russia or African nations, while tragic, have failed to capture the Western consciousness. This is a failure of our cultural barriers and awarenesses.... not necessarily the result of specific programming.

If anything, I believe the lack of empathy and identification between cultures, races, and nationalities... is the TRUE result of our divisive, oppressive RULERS. Ask WHY there is so much hatred around the world, that keeps us divided.

This subject requires great care, and open-mindedness toward ANY evidence and testimony. Even if we discover things we didn't want to hear.