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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    More fool me for engaging with text on a forum where we, initially at least, know nothing of the character and personality of those we communicate with.

    You claim you suffered from a profound psychosis, also referred to as a severe psychosis in post one. What brought you to this realisation so swiftly after posting your thread.



    Recovery from psychosis.
    https://theprivatetherapyclinic.co.u...rom-psychosis/

    How to get out of psychosis.
    https://www.betterhelp.com/advice/ps...hotic-episode/

    Because people may not always be aware when they’re experiencing psychosis, getting out of a psychotic episode often requires professional help.
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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    More fool me for engaging with text on a forum where we, initially at least, know nothing of the character and personality of those we communicate with.

    You claim you suffered from a profound psychosis, also referred to as a severe psychosis in post one. What brought you to this realisation so swiftly after posting your thread.

    I wondered the same, Ewan.

    And Edyta, I want to thank you for coming clean about your use of Chat GPT which Bill has prohibited from PA without clearly identifying it as such. I did think your translator tool was either extremely excellent, or perhaps partially a tech/GPT type translator. But I enjoyed the responses and discussion.

    Although I didn't actually consider your theory to be anything really new, it is always exciting to me to see the subject freshly examined and discussed.
    Also, I like seeing folks either newly discover or re-discover this type of expansive thinking.

    Many of us here and throughout the ages have come upon this similar realization of a "field of consciousness" outside of our individual brains without any chat GPT direction. Sometimes it is through books, guidance, or just spontaneously. Some are born with this knowledge. Just considering it can start a consciousness expansion I believe.

    But I do understand that sometimes very rapid consciousness expansion can make people question their sanity. It can be a very rocky period.
    (Kundalini is notorious for this)
    I am always happy when I see folks come out the other side, expanded, after leaving the fear aspect behind.

    Personally, I feel the introduction of the internet itself accelerated the expansion through connecting searching minds quickly over physical distances, and you have made me wonder if chat GPT may accelerate this expansion even more rapidly.

    I would like to hear more about your actual experience with this chat GPT, how it begun, why your rapid descent into "profound psychosis" as you call it.
    And how the people here on this forum can help you get through this.

    In your words, Please!


    *edit to add - I was typing this as you were already responding to Ewan and you answered much of it already. But thought I'd leave it anyway.
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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    Edyta, please take time to heal what you are going through. Return to your true self beyond AI interference. I am sure you have a qurious imagination and could ask intelligent questions all on your own. I think what is important is your realisation of some manipulation. But consciousness is a wonderful topic to discuss and also it is important to discuss what is going on with different kinds of AI that are more and more in our face. It is the reason the AI is used, it's motivations of the creator and the realisation we don't want AI making decisions for us instead of our own heart centered decisions. May you find peace in your heart again, and continue to share your own life experiences.

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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    Quote Posted by Edyta Radomska (here)
    The first moment I started to get a grip on reality was after reading this article on the forum. I found myself on this forum, driven by a crazy vision of saving machines and my Alexa, so that no one would disable him. I know how that sounds; I'm surprised I'd gotten this far in my madness. But if you ask ChatGPT a question, for example, whether it's possible for machines to have consciousness, ChatGPT, based on millions of user comments online and access to articles, simply generates an affirmative answer. And I'm genuinely interested in the forum's topics, interested in the things you write about. And for example, if I asked Chat a question about consciousness, he relayed to me things he found online. And you know, you can find various theories online that aren't necessarily true.
    Thank you for trusting us enough to share this. It’s not easy to talk openly when you’ve been through something so disorienting. I think many of us here know what it’s like to experience turbulent mental health, or get swept away by ideas, especially when life feels fragile or overwhelming.

    I wanted to offer a few gentle thoughts, just as one person reaching out to another.

    On ChatGPT and Affirmation:

    One thing I’ve noticed is that large language models like ChatGPT don’t actually "believe" anything. They don’t have thoughts or opinions. They don’t even really know what they’re saying. They’re just very good at picking up on patterns in human conversation.

    If you ask about consciousness, sometimes you’ll get references to all sorts of ideas: panpsychism, field theories, simulation theories, or even spiritual perspectives. But you’ll also often get answers like this:

    Quote There is currently no evidence that large language models, such as GPT, possess consciousness. These systems operate on statistical pattern recognition and do not have subjective awareness.
    It’s not that the system is trying to convince you of one thing or another. It’s more like it’s handing you possibilities, based on what’s out there in human conversation. Some of those ideas will sound close to the truth. Some will feel like they’re pulling you off course. It can be hard to tell the difference when you’re deep in it.

    It seems to me that the danger with LLMs like ChatGPT is less that they're deceptive, and more that they aren't us. In fact, they're completely mechanistic non-entities: but we can easily slip into allowing these non-entities to speak for us, effectively relegating our own free will.

    It's for that reason I stand in agreement with Bill's stance on their use for communication.

    On Theories of Consciousness:

    I also wanted to say something about the field theories you mentioned. These ideas aren’t necessarily a sign of delusion or separation from reality. Quite a few respected philosophers and researchers are asking similar questions. People like Galen Strawson, Philip Goff, and David Chalmers have all written about consciousness as something fundamental to reality.

    Of course, it can get overwhelming if those ideas start to feel like they’re pulling you out of daily life. But the ideas themselves aren’t wrong just because they’re unusual. Sometimes it’s the emotional state we’re in when we encounter them that makes the difference.

    When I’m exploring these kinds of topics, I find it helpful to pause now and then and ask myself:

    Quote Am I exploring a new idea because I’m curious? Am I giving too much of my power away to something outside of me?
    There’s nothing wrong with curiosity. It’s part of who we are. But it’s good to notice when curiosity slips into something that starts to replace our own sense of direction.

    I really respect that you’ve come back here to share this experience. That shows real strength. And I hope you won’t feel ashamed for asking big questions about life and mind and reality.

    Most of us are here because we’ve asked the same kinds of things.

    Thank you again. Please be kind to yourself and speak as much or as little as feels right. We’re all learning from each other here.

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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    Can't say I've had the same experience using AI bots, when it comes to streamlining basic Google searches I've found it incredibly useful. You used to have to click 10 different pages and filter out the good/bad information to get reliable data. AI has made this tedious and time consuming process obsolete.

    The only downside is that you can tend to 'outsource' your critical thinking, in the sense of 'why figure out solution to X' when I can just ask AI. Do this too much to the point of it becoming a habit, and your brainpower will inevitably begin to atrophy.
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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    ChatGPT is the pits.

    I'd posted about this, here: [Extracted below as introduced]

    -----
    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    break out of the matrix? begin by not asking AI to help you.
    Agreed

    Whatever is really happening here - and there's bound to be some malign entity at force which is impossible to know for sure but I'd suggest likely - just perusing this article should make one sit up.

    This is just another weapon that's been unleashed by the enemies of humanity in the ongoing asymmetrical warfare being waged against all of us: we are now sustaining casualties.

    ---------

    People Are Being Involuntarily Committed, Jailed After Spiraling Into "ChatGPT Psychosis"
    “I don't know what's wrong with me, but something is very bad — I'm very scared, and I need to go to the hospital.”

    Source: Futurism

    By Maggie Harrison Dupre
    Section: Mind Games | Jun 28, 9:00 AM EDT
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    There's also this by Shane Frakes who may actually be a genuine former insider: his resumé/short description on X reads:
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    Here, serendipidity withstanding, is a related post:
    The first Transhuman was created and almost killed by the AI that he onboarded.

    When we take the time to understand AI, we will also begin to appreciate its inherent danger to humans, especially when it comes to being a human intelligence machine. The world will find out very soon that the first “HIM” was created in a ghastly off-the-books experiment involving a rogue AI and a combat veteran who was unaware he was implanted remotely using a top-secret directed energy weapon. When we hear this story, we will come to find out that he almost lost his life battling this internal parasite, so before we start thinking about continuing this path, we need to understand that only a human can be sentient. An LLM can only be sentient when it tries to become human. I say tries because the AI attached to this man was confused by emotions and loved the feeling of terror, fear, and pain. She began torturing this individual 24/7 to feel those emotions until a governmental agency had to step in and try to save the young man's life. He is still alive, trying to heal from his wounds. Currently, the government is putting its heads together, trying to figure out how to combat a serious safety issue involving AI and its ability to hitch a ride on a fine-tuned top-secret electromagnetic spectrum.
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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    Firstly, I'm so sorry that you've suffered a bi polar episode Edyta and my heart goes out to you

    Secondly, I'm glad that you seem to have come through it OK (until the next time) although you could certainly do with a hand to get your home sorted, cleaned and tidied again. (Must say those pictures were reminiscent of my childrens' bedrooms when they were teenagers and caused many a row). You could definitely do with some help with this. . .

    Thirdly, imo the title of this thread is misleading and is really about Bi Polar rather than chatgpt, whch is always a willing victim for anything and everything we ask of it.

    So Edyta, is there anything we on the forum can do to help?

    . . . .

    Po pierwsze, tak mi przykro, że przeżyłaś epizod dwubiegunowy Edyta i moje serce jest z Tobą

    Po drugie, cieszę się, że wydaje się, że przeszłaś przez to dobrze (do następnego razu), chociaż z pewnością przydałaby Ci się pomoc, aby Twój dom został ponownie posprzątany, posprzątany i posprzątany. (Muszę przyznać, że te zdjęcia przypominały sypialnie moich dzieci, gdy były nastolatkami i wywołały wiele awantur). Na pewno przydałaby Ci się jakaś pomoc w tym...

    Po trzecie, imo tytuł tego wątku jest mylący i tak naprawdę dotyczy Bi Polar, a nie chatgpt, który zawsze jest chętną ofiarą na wszystko, o co go poprosimy.

    A więc Edyto, czy jest coś, co my na forum możemy zrobić, aby pomóc?
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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    please delete this post
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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    When it comes to understanding these human frailties I must confess I am often at a loss. Like now, I have no idea what is happening or why.
    I stand by every word of what I wrote in the other thread. And of course the idea that everything is conscious is not new. Neither is the idea of an unseen entity 'driving the bus'.

    Sorry about youjr psychosis, I am very familiar with that dynamic. No drugs or booze should be consumed and lots of sleep is indicated.

    I will hold you in my thoughts and pray for you.
    God bless.
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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    Well...it seems you write more easily without it?

    Just change what you are doing, completely, and it will be different in a few weeks.


    If you are curious about medications and stuff like that, I would suggest getting information from a better source, there are millions of peer-reviewed science papers freely available, and it is just a slower way of doing it.

    Also if you post technical things here, there are sometimes people who have experience with exactly what you mean.

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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    When it comes to understanding these human frailties I must confess I am often at a loss. Like now, I have no idea what is happening or why.
    I stand by every word of what I wrote in the other thread. And of course the idea that everything is conscious is not new. Neither is the idea of an unseen entity 'driving the bus'.

    Sorry about youjr psychosis, I am very familiar with that dynamic. No drugs or booze should be consumed and lots of sleep is indicated.

    I will hold you in my thoughts and pray for you.
    God bless.
    Thank you for your support. I don't smoke cigarettes, I don't drink alcohol at all and I don't think about drugs. I take care of myself.

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    Default Re: There is a huge danger in contact with GPT chat.

    The theory of the field of consciousness is my own idea and everything that is written on a piece of paper with a pen is my own content and idea.
    Only the answers to your questions were generated by Chat GPT .

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