The simple facts and fictions about Israel and Zionism: How to debunk blatantly false Zionist propaganda

[bojancan]

I am adding this interesting video in this thread... I think suits here... it's about Israel's expansion to Cyprus... Cyprael promised land? Zionist project... for sure... and where else????



Aug, 26
Reason2Resist with Dimitri Lascaris
96.9K subscribers
The Zionists Takeover Of Cyprus

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BZfCpd0VsPw

Several weeks ago, Stefanos Stefanou, the leader of the Cypriot AKEL party, generated controversy when he warned of the Israeli influx into the island and the threat of Zionist expansionism.

AKEL is the second-largest political party in Cyprus. The governing Cypriot party, the Democratic Rally, is strongly pro-Israel.

Predictably, Stefanou’s warning about Israeli expansionism ignited charges of racism. Israel’s ambassador to Cyprus, Oren Anolik, accused Stefanou of “plain and simple” antisemitism.

Stefanou did not back down, however. He vigorously denied the charge of antisemitism and stated that “Israel tolerates no criticism and wants to control everything”.

Are Zionists seeking to take control of Cyprus? Dimitri Lascaris explores this question with Elina Xenophontos. Elina is geopolitical analyst and international law and globalization specialist. She is based in Cyprus

[Gemma13]

BREAKING NEWS

This, on the front page of The West Australian Newspaper today. About bloody time our government grabbed its balls and acted.

I’ve typed the text below for easier reading. (Most text is in the second photo but I couldn't get it to upload and I don't have time to fiddle with it atm.)

TERROR STRIKES HOME – IRAN’S ACT OF WAR

These were dangerous acts of aggression orchestrated by a foreign nation on Australian Soil. – Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

ASIO now assesses the Iranian Government directed at least two and likely more attacks. – ASIO Director Mike Burgess

Iran has orchestrated two terror attacks—and likely more—on Australian soil that were disguised as criminal anti-Semitic bombings. It has been confirmed the nation was behind an arson attack at a kosher caterer in Bondi last October and a firebombing at a Melbourne synagogue two months later. The shocking revelations yesterday prompted the Prime Minister to expel the Iranian ambassador, recall Australian diplomats and send an urgent plea for any travellers to return home.

Iran Evil Shows What The World is Up Against

For more than 40 years, Iran’s chief foreign policy instrument has been state-sponsored terrorism abroad. The specific targets shift, but the methods and the goals stay the same. They employ a network of terrorist proxies and criminal surrogates around the world. They seek out wannabe lone wolves to manipulate and coerce.

And they provide them with the resources and inspiration to stoke fear, sow discord and pursue their hateful, depraved jihad far beyond their own borders. They kill, kidnap, and harass.

This is not a new phenomenon. But as war rages in the Middle East, provoked by the mass slaughter of 1200 Israelis by the Iran-backed terrorist militia Hamas on October 7, 2023, the threat has escalated.

In Europe, Swedish criminal syndicate Foxtrot Network has expanded from drug trafficking into terror on behalf of Iran, spreading the rogue nation’s maniacal message through contract killings and assaults as well as attacks on Israeli embassies in Sweden and Denmark.

Last year, the head of UK’s MI5 said British authorities had responded to 20 Iran-backed plots since 2022.

Now we know the threat has reached our shores.

Authorities say Iran was pulling the strings of those responsible for at least two anti-Semitic attacks on Australian soil. Likely, that number is greater.

The first attack was on Lewis’ Continental Kitchen in Bondi in NSW. The deli was set ablaze in October 2024, causing $1 million in damage. Then in December, the nation was shocked when Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue was firebombed.

It was an act of anti-Semitism so egregious, so appalling, that it was difficult to countenance such a crime could take place in Australia.

We now know the truth. This was an act of terror conceived across the world, by a nation with an all-consuming obsession with the obliteration of Israel and the destruction of liberal democracy.

It is a mercy that no one was killed in either attack. But they were successful in perpetuating anti-Semitism and striking fear into the hearts of Jewish Australians.

Rightly, Australia has reacted by ordering Iranian Ambassador Ahmad Sadeghi and three other Iranian officials to leave the country within seven days. Australian diplomats in Iran have been evacuated. It’s the first time since World War II that Australia has expelled an Ambassador.

These revelations are a powerful reminder of what the world—not just Israel—is up against.

We are fighting against unhinged, fanatical despots who want to destroy our way of life, tear at our social cohesion and spread their hateful ideology. We cannot continue to pretend that this is solely a foreign conflict in which we have no stake.

This is what those who rail against Israel and shout the slogans of its enemies are cheering for. Terror and destruction. Not only against Israel but in every corner of the world, including our own.



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[Rizotto]

To Gemma13: Judging by the hysterical tone of the article, this is a false flag. Why in the world would Iran blow up a jewish restaurant and a synagogue in Australia, of all places. Iran has much bigger issues to deal with in their corner of the world: Iran was the subject of unprovoked attacks from Israel and USA in June, surprise attacks that killed hundreds of Iranian civilians. And many experienced geopolitical analysts are currently warning that Israel is planning another attack on Iran, imminently.

Looks like the z10nist mafia is now making up post-dated allegations against Iran to try to justify, or divert attention from their own horrific genocide of Palestinians and crimes against Iran and other countries in the middle east.

Fact is, Iran has a Jewish community living there peacefully.

But, hey, I think your post is perfectly fitting in this "false zionist propaganda" thread.

[Gemma13]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
To Gemma13: Judging by the hysterical tone of the article, this is a false flag.

You ever going to open up another brain cell to shift your logic out of stupid?

[Rizotto]

https://www.rt.com/news/623557-austr...iranian-envoy/

August 26, 2025

Australia expels Iranian ambassador over alleged ‘anti-Semitic’ attacks
Tehran has rejected Canberra’s claim it was behind arson incidents in Sydney and Melbourne targeting the Jewish community

Australia is expelling Iranian Ambassador Ahmad Sadeghi and three other diplomats over alleged ‘anti-Semitic’ attacks in the country that were supposedly orchestrated by Tehran, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced. The Islamic Republic has denied the allegations.

Speaking at a press conference on Tuesday, Albanese said that the Australian Federal Police and the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) had gathered “credible intelligence” linking at least two arson attacks last year to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) – an elite wing of the Iranian military. The perpetrators allegedly set fire to a Jewish-owned restaurant in Sydney and the Adass Israel Synagogue in Melbourne.

The prime minister added that a potential Iranian connection was being investigated in relation to several other attacks as well.

According to Albanese, Canberra has also suspended operations at its embassy in Tehran and relocated its diplomatic staff to a third country.

Canberra’s Foreign Minister Penny Wong has urged all Australians currently in Iran to leave.

In a post on X on Tuesday, Iranian Foreign Minister Seyed Abbas Araghchi denied the allegations, noting that his country is home to a sizeable Jewish community and dozens of synagogues.

“I am not in the habit of joining causes with wanted war criminals, but [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu is right about one thing: Australia’s PM is indeed a ‘weak politician’,” Araghchi wrote.

He was apparently referring to a post by Netanyahu last Tuesday, in which the Israeli prime minister accused Albanese of betraying “Israel and abandoning Australia’s Jews” after Canberra announced that it would recognize a Palestinian state at the United Nations General Assembly in September.

“History will remember Albanese for what he is: a weak politician,” Netanyahu wrote at the time.

Israel’s heavy-handed military campaign in Gaza has drawn widespread condemnation worldwide, prompting renewed calls in countries that have traditionally backed Israel to recognize Palestinian statehood.

[Gemma13]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
https://www.rt.com/news/623557-austr...iranian-envoy/

August 26, 2025

Tehran has rejected Canberra’s claim it was behind arson incidents in Sydney and Melbourne targeting the Jewish community[/B]
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Well knock me over with a feather... who woulda thought...

[Rizotto]

Apparently, Netanyahu himself takes credit for getting Australia to make accusations against Iran and expel Iranian ambassador...

But what's even worse, is that the accusations against Iran are now used by the Israeli embassy to whip up notions of Iran being dangerous to the west. (See highlighted paragraph below) All of which is so typical of the false flags that Israel has used time and again over many decades to get western nations to wage wars in the middle east for Israel's benefit.

The accusations against Iran are absurd. Why would Iran conduct arson attacks on a jewish restaurant and a synagogue, in Australia of all places, and during pro-Palestinian protests, which at the time raised suspicions against the protesters being the culprits. But now they claim Iran did it, after some pressure from Netanyahu? He really wants a war against Iran, does he.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/...aels-netanyahu

August 27, 2025

Australia denies Iran action due to ‘intervention’ by Israel’s Netanyahu
Israel made the claim after Australia’s PM said Iran directed two attacks on a Jewish community, which Tehran denies.

Australia has dismissed a claim that Israeli interventions prompted the government of Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to expel Iran’s ambassador to Canberra, after the premier blamed Tehran for directing anti-Semitic attacks in Sydney and Melbourne.

“Complete nonsense,” Australian Minister for Home Affairs Tony Burke told ABC Radio on Wednesday, when asked about Israel claiming credit for Australia’s decision to order Tehran’s ambassador, Ahmad Sadeghi, to leave the country.

Albanese said on Tuesday that Australia had reached “the deeply disturbing conclusion” through “credible intelligence” that found Iran’s government had “directed” at least two attacks against Australia’s Jewish community.

Responding to a question from the ABC about Australia’s allegations against Iran, Israeli government spokesperson David Mencer had commended Australia for taking “threats seriously” against the Jewish community, which he said had come after a “forthright intervention” from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Mencer said Netanyahu had “made very forthright comments about the [Australian] prime minister himself”, which spurred Albanese to action.
“He made those comments because he did not believe that the actions of the Australian government had gone anywhere near far enough to address the issues of anti-Semitism,” Mencer added.

The ABC included Mencer’s comments in an article titled: “Israeli government claims credit for pushing Albanese to expel Iranian diplomats.”

Netanyahu last week accused Albanese of being “a weak politician who betrayed Israel and abandoned Australia’s Jews”, days after Albanese announced Australia would move to formally recognise a Palestinian state in September.

Iran said it “absolutely rejected” Australia’s accusations regarding the attacks and noted that the claims had come after Australia had directed “limited criticism” at Israel.
“It seems that this action is taken in order to compensate for the limited criticism the Australian side has directed at the Zionist regime [Israel],” Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Esmaeil Baghaei said.
“Any inappropriate and unjustified action on a diplomatic level will have a reciprocal reaction,” Baghaei said.

Ilana Lenk, the spokesperson and head of public diplomacy at Israel’s embassy in Canberra, shared Australian newspaper front pages with headlines including, ‘Iran attacks us’ and ‘Iran targets Bondi deli’, in a post on social media.
“We warned Iran wouldn’t stop with Israel or the Jewish people. The West is next isn’t just a slogan, and today Australia sees it,” she wrote.

In a statement, the Jewish Council of Australia said it was “shocked to learn of the Iranian government involvement in coordinating antisemitic attacks”.

“The fact that a foreign government appears to be responsible shows how irresponsible it was for the attacks to be used to demonise the Palestine solidarity protest movement ,” the council said in a statement.

“We call on politicians and the media to exercise caution and to avoid politicisation of these attacks in a way that could further harm the Jewish community,” the statement added.

[Ewan]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)
To Gemma13: Judging by the hysterical tone of the article, this is a false flag.

You ever going to open up another brain cell to shift your logic out of stupid?

.....'Before you can remove the splinter from your brothers eye you must first remove the timber from your own'.

Said in a gentle placatory tone.

[Gemma13]

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)
To Gemma13: Judging by the hysterical tone of the article, this is a false flag.

You ever going to open up another brain cell to shift your logic out of stupid?

.....'Before you can remove the splinter from your brothers eye you must first remove the timber from your own'.

Said in a gentle placatory tone.

😆 In future, I'll know who to call on for pearls of wisdom.

[Gemma13]

https://open.substack.com/pub/tzlilb...utm_medium=web

Oof. Quite a show. I don't know how to copy and insert the video clip, but I dare you to click on the link above and watch all 129 seconds of it.

And if that, and the crowd cheering doesn't make you sit up and pick a few crunchy bits outta sleepy eyes so that a few more brain cells can fire up to do a little more research... I don't know what will.

Might I suggest research that's, you know, a few yards to the left or right of Russia's State backed RT feed and Al Jazeera, which incidentally, was banned by the Palestinian Authority because "...the channel broadcast material that was deceiving and stirring strife". So, there's that.

Oi Raskolnikov Howz that clip for an artwork that can get to the heart of the matter in a single image? 😋

"We Will Not Stop Until It (Islam) Enters Every Home" He Declared in the Heart of New York City

Tzlil Berko, 27 Aug 2025

Dear Western world,

You need to understand, this bearded radical Islamist that is in the attached video is shouting that Islam is the ONLY true religion. He is standing in the heart of Manhattan declaring, “we will not stop until it [Islam] enters every home”, and the audience is… cheering.

Make no mistake: That includes your home.

Question: By what means do he and his “brothers and sisters” (as he calls them) plan to insert Islam into “every home”? Have you ever stopped to think about that?

There is no way to misinterpret his intent. I do not see the entire Christian majority of America converting to Islam voluntarily, so let me challenge you with the obvious question: HOW is he planning to “enter every home” and transform humanity into Islam, as he preaches in this video? HOW? 🤔

He declares, “all of humanity needs to be upon Islam.” And he does not say this in the Islamic Republic of Iran or in Gaza but in the heart of the Big Apple. Under the banner of free speech… which in Islamist vocabulary means “a free pass granted by suicidal democracies to call for your death and destruction”… he openly preaches Islamic takeover through coercion; The meaning is clear: forced submission to Islam or slaughter like sheep.

All of this while American law enforcement stands idly by.

A thought: How about each and every one of us chooses our own faith, our own religion, without force or gradual cultural colonialism?

It is a beautiful idea… I know… and one that aligns perfectly with our ideals and moral values in the West. But these radical Islamist jihadists, like this savage shouting in New York City, do not share our values, nor do they even pretend to.

I would have liked to wake you up West, and warn you that you are next… But it seems we have already passed the point of “next.” It is already at your front door, and believe us Israelis, it does not knock.

This all stems from the same deadly and dangerous radical Jihadist movement that is currently threatening the entire free world: the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood publicly and actively pursues the conquest of the entire world and the establishment of one state, one global Umma under Sharia law. In Islamic doctrine, the Umma refers to the worldwide community of Muslims, which in the Brotherhood’s apocalyptic ideology must be united as a single body through the reestablishment of the khilāfah (Caliphate); Islamists view the Caliphate as the religious and political embodiment of the Umma and the ultimate restoration of Islamic rule over all of humanity.

And what does Sharia law mean in short? A fanatical religious law that stones women based on rumors of infidelity to their abusive husband or for revealing a single strand of hair. Truly lovely, isn’t it? Not medieval cruelty and barbarism at all…

Let me repeat that in case you missed it the first time. This dangerous Islamist Jihadist ideology is a source of satanic evil and threatens the entire free world. You and I are both “infidels” in their eyes… and what do they do to infidels? They September 11 them.

The savage in the attached video, along with millions of others like him, are planning to unleash an October 7th-style genocide on you as well: raping you, beheading your children before your very eyes, torturing your loved ones, kidnapping your babies, and burning you alive - exactly as they did to us Israelis less than two years ago, filming the atrocities as a “letter of intent” for what they plan for you too.

Do not be deceived. They do not reserve their devilish brutality for Israel alone. Please, do not be naive, for they weaponize your naivety in order to destroy you.

Make no mistake. The Islamist Jihadists’ god is not a deity of compassion or morality… They use “Allah” to justify their inhuman brutality and barbarism against anyone who is not them, including fellow Arabs, shouting Allahu Akbar while shoving babies into ovens and abusing God’s name to murder unarmed civilians with impunity; all in pursuit of dragging humanity back to the 7th century. And what happened then? The violent Islamic conquests. Read about it. It is extremely eye opening.

Don’t look away. It will catch you off guard. The “theatre of terror” is playing on Broadway too and no one gets to leave the theatre once the show has begun…

Wake up or this guy in the video and his “brothers and sisters” will accomplish their stated goal.

P.S.
What exactly is he complaining about at the start of the video? As if life in America is some form of torture…

If New York is really that unbearable for him, why not just move to Gaza?
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Tzlil Berko is a seasoned professional in private security with experience in tactical gear and simulation technologies. Her thesis research focuses on terrorism in the Metaverse.

She is a fellow at the Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT), where she publishes on counter-terrorism and emerging threats. Tzlil is also a creative writer, represented alongside her parents by The Blair Partnership Literary and Entertainment Agency, and is the co-creator of a television project inspired by the published books of her mother, Dr. Anat Berko, and their extraordinary family story.

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by Ewan (here)

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)
To Gemma13: Judging by the hysterical tone of the article, this is a false flag.

You ever going to open up another brain cell to shift your logic out of stupid?

.....'Before you can remove the splinter from your brothers eye you must first remove the timber from your own'.

Said in a gentle placatory tone.

I’ve got a question. How can a headline like "TERROR STRIKES HOME - IRAN'S ACT OF WAR", in all caps, NOT be propaganda? Was the media completely overhauled and I didn’t hear about it? Now the Blackrock corporate headlines are a legitimate source of news? If you need further proof, recall the words of Wesley Clark revealing the plan in a classified memo, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” Business as usual. Think it might be safer to say that it’s closer to the truth to put your faith in what they’re not showing us, let alone blasting in our faces. It comes across eerily similar to what you were accusing others of promoting on this forum.

I’m no scholar of either side of this mess but all I’m seeing is people being pulled into two camps. They’re dividing us even here, are we not now in the middle east ourselves? Yes, they brought it here to the western world, let’s pray the suicide bombings don’t start. For me the whole conversation/argument feels analogous to the current allopathic medical system that treats and focuses solely on the symptoms without first considering the cause and the reason for such disease. Rgray222, you asked to alter the name of the thread. I, personally, for reasons most know, would never presume to be so disrespectful, considering who started the thread (and just so there's no misunderstanding that horribly put together sentence - yep, English major - that was in no way implying you're being disrespectful Rgray), but maybe it should be focused a bit more on the big picture, keep the propaganda, but it’s definitely expanded beyond a simple examination of Israel and Zionism.

[thirtythree]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Removing Islam from any dialogue about Israel and Palestinians would immediately render the discussion meaningless. If you think this is about a two-state solution or who owned what land back in 1150 BCE or how the borders have shifted around since 1948, then you're kidding yourself. Pure and simple, the discussion is about Islam's unequivocal demand for the dissolution or the annihilation of Israel.

It was about Zionist propaganda.

Dissolving Israel would be my idea.

Is the discussion not about Israel's unequivocal plan of Eretz Yisrael?

Islam v. the west is a different story. Can anyone identify the west and give a reason anyone would care.

That America would become populated by Mexican Muslims is mathematically predictable.

The Battle of Khaybar 628 is described as a "pre-emptive" strike about a Jewish coalition forming to exterminate Islam. Evidently there is some kind of dispute here.

The original Kingdom of Israel, on the other hand, existed to destroy anything different and still does. Says so in the Bible.

I'll explain what the west is in 3 sentences or less if you explain what Zionism is in 3 sentences or less. If you honor the deal I'll even explain to you why you should care, because I'm in such a good mood. Meanwhile don't go dissolving anyone on us Hitler! You'll get in trouble for that. It's mathematically predictable.

I'll take a crack at it Mike.

As it currently stands:

Ethno-supremicism, masquerading as ethno-religious nationalism.

[Mike]

Posted by thirtythree (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Removing Islam from any dialogue about Israel and Palestinians would immediately render the discussion meaningless. If you think this is about a two-state solution or who owned what land back in 1150 BCE or how the borders have shifted around since 1948, then you're kidding yourself. Pure and simple, the discussion is about Islam's unequivocal demand for the dissolution or the annihilation of Israel.

It was about Zionist propaganda.

Dissolving Israel would be my idea.

Is the discussion not about Israel's unequivocal plan of Eretz Yisrael?

Islam v. the west is a different story. Can anyone identify the west and give a reason anyone would care.

That America would become populated by Mexican Muslims is mathematically predictable.

The Battle of Khaybar 628 is described as a "pre-emptive" strike about a Jewish coalition forming to exterminate Islam. Evidently there is some kind of dispute here.

The original Kingdom of Israel, on the other hand, existed to destroy anything different and still does. Says so in the Bible.

I'll explain what the west is in 3 sentences or less if you explain what Zionism is in 3 sentences or less. If you honor the deal I'll even explain to you why you should care, because I'm in such a good mood. Meanwhile don't go dissolving anyone on us Hitler! You'll get in trouble for that. It's mathematically predictable.

I'll take a crack at it Mike.

As it currently stands:

Ethno-supremicism, masquerading as ethno-religious nationalism.

Thanks! I appreciate that.

I always thought of Zionists as the sort of Israeli deep state, but never gave it much thought beyond that. I assumed Zionists weren't truly interested in the well-being of Jews at all, but were just co-opting Jewishness as a means of gaining a larger foothold in the middle east.

I've been asking lately not to be a pest, but because I wanted to demonstrate that if you asked, say, 20 people what Zionsim is you were likely to get 20 different answers. And I've been wondering: is everybody up in arms over the same thing or 20 different things?

[thirtythree]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by thirtythree (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Removing Islam from any dialogue about Israel and Palestinians would immediately render the discussion meaningless. If you think this is about a two-state solution or who owned what land back in 1150 BCE or how the borders have shifted around since 1948, then you're kidding yourself. Pure and simple, the discussion is about Islam's unequivocal demand for the dissolution or the annihilation of Israel.

It was about Zionist propaganda.

Dissolving Israel would be my idea.

Is the discussion not about Israel's unequivocal plan of Eretz Yisrael?

Islam v. the west is a different story. Can anyone identify the west and give a reason anyone would care.

That America would become populated by Mexican Muslims is mathematically predictable.

The Battle of Khaybar 628 is described as a "pre-emptive" strike about a Jewish coalition forming to exterminate Islam. Evidently there is some kind of dispute here.

The original Kingdom of Israel, on the other hand, existed to destroy anything different and still does. Says so in the Bible.

I'll explain what the west is in 3 sentences or less if you explain what Zionism is in 3 sentences or less. If you honor the deal I'll even explain to you why you should care, because I'm in such a good mood. Meanwhile don't go dissolving anyone on us Hitler! You'll get in trouble for that. It's mathematically predictable.

I'll take a crack at it Mike.

As it currently stands:

Ethno-supremicism, masquerading as ethno-religious nationalism.

Thanks! I appreciate that.

I always thought of Zionists as the sort of Israeli deep state, but never gave it much thought beyond that. I assumed Zionists weren't truly interested in the well-being of Jews at all, but were just co-opting Jewishness as a means of gaining a larger foothold in the middle east.

I've been asking lately not to be a pest, but because I wanted to demonstrate that if you asked, say, 20 people what Zionsim is you were likely to get 20 different answers. And I've been wondering: is everybody up in arms over the same thing or 20 different things?

Anytime.

We could also argue that India and Iran fit that definition. Bottom line is, it's not sustainable. Unfortunately, zealots everywhere somehow make their way to the corridors of power and identity is too powerful a tool to not deploy.

[Tintin]

Posted by thirtythree (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
Removing Islam from any dialogue about Israel and Palestinians would immediately render the discussion meaningless. If you think this is about a two-state solution or who owned what land back in 1150 BCE or how the borders have shifted around since 1948, then you're kidding yourself. Pure and simple, the discussion is about Islam's unequivocal demand for the dissolution or the annihilation of Israel.

It was about Zionist propaganda.

Dissolving Israel would be my idea.

Is the discussion not about Israel's unequivocal plan of Eretz Yisrael?

Islam v. the west is a different story. Can anyone identify the west and give a reason anyone would care.

That America would become populated by Mexican Muslims is mathematically predictable.

The Battle of Khaybar 628 is described as a "pre-emptive" strike about a Jewish coalition forming to exterminate Islam. Evidently there is some kind of dispute here.

The original Kingdom of Israel, on the other hand, existed to destroy anything different and still does. Says so in the Bible.

I'll explain what the west is in 3 sentences or less if you explain what Zionism is in 3 sentences or less. If you honor the deal I'll even explain to you why you should care, because I'm in such a good mood. Meanwhile don't go dissolving anyone on us Hitler! You'll get in trouble for that. It's mathematically predictable.

I'll take a crack at it Mike.

As it currently stands:

Ethno-supremicism, masquerading as ethno-religious nationalism.

That's great! Pretty close to what I've managed - finally - to concoct, but yours is very neat. I'll use this as a template and modify it only very slightly:

Racist ethno-supremicism, masquerading as virtuous ethno-religious nationalism.

And, Mike, you've pretty much nailed it in your post acknowledging thirty three's contribution here

My take is somewhat harsher: Zionism is also, in my view, the destroyer of religions and brought about as a precursor to a Luciferian one-world religion, Satanic in its very nature.

Zionists have been described by orthodox Jewish communities as 'identity thieves', and that they most certainly are. They've caused catastrophic damage in how Judaism is perceived; it's anti-Semitic. Oh, the irony.

These types are also behind the Ukraine vanity project, which is a classic sunk-cost fallacy. Zionism and Judaism in a nutshell are mutually incompatible. I think we're getting there with a kind of definition.

[betoobig]

Fiction: Jews are humans and the rest of humans are cattle.
Fact: Jews are so programmed as to not believe their own eyes.

Fiction: Jews are God´s chosen people.
Fact: is Satan who choose them.

Fiction: Jews can override the will of Source.
Fact: arrogance is prime characteristic of Jews.

Fiction: Jews will reign with everyone as their slaves.
Fact: Jews can kiss my sovereign ass.

Fiction: Jews pray to God.
Fact: they worship the devil.

i could go on forever but it is a fact a 4 to 6 perccent will be lost forever in the awakening and it is a fact this devils go first...

Fact: so much love

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by betoobig (here)
Fiction: Jews are humans and the rest of humans are cattle.
Fact: Jews are so programmed as to not believe their own eyes.

Fiction: Jews are God´s chosen people.
Fact: is Satan who choose them.

Fiction: Jews can override the will of Source.
Fact: arrogance is prime characteristic of Jews.

Fiction: Jews will reign with everyone as their slaves.
Fact: Jews can kiss my sovereign ass.

Fiction: Jews pray to God.
Fact: they worship the devil.

i could go on forever but it is a fact a 4 to 6 perccent will be lost forever in the awakening and it is a fact this devils go first...

Fact: so much love

I agree with most of that betoobig, but shouldn't we narrow it down to Zionists? Or maybe the Ashkenazi's? I have difficulty believing that all Jews are satanic child killers because many Jews are strongly opposed to Zionism. No, I don't have a definition for Zionism, but they're getting damn close above.

[shaberon]

Posted by Mike (here)
Did you get that prison and death line from Rambo or Commando? Of course the dissolving thing was a joke. I'll have Picard update your software.

From where? I don't know what that means.

Now if we are "debunking propaganda" then, yes, it would be appropriate to post reasons to counter it, or why you think the examination is false.

The argument I don't understand is:


Presuming I am part of "the west" and therefor protecting something important.


I've tried to figure it out in the "white people" topic, and I haven't gotten very far. I'm trying to find anything I may be missing about this.

I understand positions such as:


Islam is an existential threat.

Israel might be powerful enough to survive anyway.


But I would say those are less germane to pro-or-con issues of Zionism, the political movement from Oliver Cromwell. Those are not missing facts that can be newly revealed to sway opinion.

If I was going to "get a line" from anyone, the responses from Ewan and Jad just about speak for me. I'm generally uninvolved except Zionism is a parasite in my own system that is supposed to run clean.

[shaberon]

Posted by Gemma13 (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)
https://www.rt.com/news/623557-austr...iranian-envoy/

August 26, 2025

Tehran has rejected Canberra’s claim it was behind arson incidents in Sydney and Melbourne targeting the Jewish community[/B]
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Well knock me over with a feather... who woulda thought...

Most anyone who doesn't go at these things with a framed narrative like 9/11.

A form of rinse and repeat:

Albanese, however, stopped short of presenting any evidence to support the accusations. He insisted that his country’s security agency believed Iran was likely behind more such planned attacks.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmaeil Baghaei dismissed the existence of any anti-Semitic inclinations across Iran’s time-honored cultural, historical, and religious background, saying, “This phenomenon is [rather] a Western and European one.”

“If you look at history, persecution of Jews because of their religion is a matter rooted in Europe; and it is they who must be held accountable for their historical past, which has continued to this day.”

The ministry also released a statement, highlighting the fact that anti-Semitism is primarily a Western-European phenomenon that has been manifested in various forms at different times, which “suggests that the recent misuse of this concept is aimed at suppressing protests against the Israeli occupation, apartheid, and genocide against the Palestinians.”

Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi also condemned Australia’s decision, describing it as an act of appeasement toward the Israeli regime.

“Iran is home to the world’s oldest Jewish communities, including dozens of synagogues. Accusing Iran of attacking such sites in Australia while we do our utmost to protect them in our own country makes zero sense,” he noted.

Tim Anderson, Director of the Centre for Counter Hegemonic Studies, wrote that just the decision came after Israeli spy agency Mossad fooled the Australian prime minister that Iran was behind a string of “anti-Semitic” attacks in Australian cities.

Just days after a diplomatic row over Australia’s symbolic recognition of Palestine, Mossad, the spy branch of the genocidal Israeli regime, has fooled the Albanese government into claiming that Iran was behind a string of “antisemitic” attacks in Australian cities.

“The packaged story comes from Australian spy agency ASIO, which receives most of its intel on [West Asia] from US and Israeli sources, and in particular from the CIA and Mossad,” he said.

Reacting to Albanese’s statement, journalist Caitlin Johnstone said sarcastically that it was “nice of Iran to stage ‘anti-Semitic attacks’ in Australia which solely advance the interests of Israel and benefit Iran in no way whatsoever.”

“Very kind of Iran to help Israel like that,” she wrote in a post on X. “Quick question: what foreign intelligence agencies assisted ASIO in this assessment?”

This is not the first time that Iran has been, without a shred of evidence, accused of anti-Semitic conspiracies, but part of a decades-long US-Israeli practice that has already been seen in various countries around the world.

Consequently, a fairly long article has been pitched to the Iranian public under this topic:

Australia’s human rights record is marred by systemic discrimination, refugee mistreatment, neglect of vulnerable groups, and rising violence against women—contradicting its global image as a rights champion.

which, in turn, resembles a great number of forum posts about the Australian government. The first article is an attempt to debunk the Zionist propaganda, whereas the second is the obvious next step, to slag Australia.

Let's see. Last time I checked, hundreds of thousands are demonstrating against Australian policy. Is is therefor supposed to be difficult to find someone to commit arson? No, I think this would be really easy without fabricating an international plot about it.

[Mike]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
Did you get that prison and death line from Rambo or Commando? Of course the dissolving thing was a joke. I'll have Picard update your software.

From where? I don't know what that means.

Now if we are "debunking propaganda" then, yes, it would be appropriate to post reasons to counter it, or why you think the examination is false.

The argument I don't understand is:


Presuming I am part of "the west" and therefor protecting something important.


I've tried to figure it out in the "white people" topic, and I haven't gotten very far. I'm trying to find anything I may be missing about this.

I understand positions such as:


Islam is an existential threat.

Israel might be powerful enough to survive anyway.


But I would say those are less germane to pro-or-con issues of Zionism, the political movement from Oliver Cromwell. Those are not missing facts that can be newly revealed to sway opinion.

If I was going to "get a line" from anyone, the responses from Ewan and Jad just about speak for me. I'm generally uninvolved except Zionism is a parasite in my own system that is supposed to run clean.

I honestly don't know if you're pretending not to know what the west is and why it's important or if you really don't know. Either way I don't think I can be of any use to you at this point. This place has gotten very weird all of a sudden. I can't even get Bill to condemn Sharia Law. It's like I've hit my head and wound up in another dimension.

I was going to start my own thread on all this. I had it all written in my head, but then I remembered that I've written all of it in some form or fashion already, likely hundreds of times. In the last 5 years pretty much all I've done is talk about the importance of the west, why it should be preserved, and so on. I don't think hammering home the point one last time will matter much. And besides, it's all self-evident.

I think I'll just stick with the meme thread for now. If I start seeing signs of sanity in these threads, maybe I'll try again. Or if I see an opportunity for an 'I told you so' moment, because that would just be too hard to pass up. Meanwhile I'll continue to hold out hope that this is one big prank.