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    Us vs. Them. This dichotomy, for me, has always been “a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma,” and seems to be at the heart of the matter in almost everything I see playing out across the screen, from the wars, to the stabbings, to the recent assassination. Everything’s suddenly become so polarized that many seem to have lost the ability to even consider another’s point of view if it doesn’t immediately fall in line with theirs. It’s all become so inconceivable, so absolutely absurd. The color of skin over the content of character, everything inverted until it’s 1984 on steroids.

    In my early waking days, my mind would make wild leaps and bounds in the direction of abstract mystical concepts and metaphysical assumptions completely bypassing logic and reason towards not only the improbable but even eagerly grasping at the preposterous. It was a time of new beginnings and endless possibilities. The once dull world suddenly broke open to reveal new mystery and meaning that not only explained my long bouts with depression but even put an end to them. Instead of becoming angry at the lies, I moved into the spiritual, the knowing that life doesn’t end at death, and found new purpose, a new will to push on. It all started to make sense and gave me an odd feeling of hope, like maybe there was a way outta this mess after all.

    But let me return to the preposterous for a moment. When I first woke up, I remember repeatedly having the esoteric thought that the chemtrail planes, as they were called back then, only came out when I was drinking. The absurdity of that statement is not lost on me, but my mind was going through a roller coaster ride of new possibilities from all the breakthrough material I was reading. While at the same time voraciously devouring the conspiracy material, I found myself especially drawn to the more arcane, occult, and esoteric side of the story. I eagerly read everything I could get my hands on, from the near death experiences and children who could prove their past life, to the Nag Hammadi Library, Dead Sea Scrolls, and other Gnostic texts, to the channeled material and everything in between and beyond. At once, I was being blasted by horrors and spectacular revelations, like the demon and angel from Animal House in a duel to the death in an MMA cage fight. It became another dichotomy: the material vs the spiritual or immaterial. I became obsessed by the books, often reading for days on end, and yet when I left the house the world hadn’t changed and still trudged on in the same mundane and lifeless manner. I grew inward and became spiritually introspective as I observed the everyday circus that was work, bills, rent, repeat. Caught on this wheel, after working a full week and trying to relax on a Saturday with friends and girlfriend, I’d suddenly be assaulted by the planes. I’d watch them streaking through the air in their grand game of tic tac toe and then glance around at my compatriots in the festive beer garden. They were completely oblivious. Nobody ever looked up. Deflated, I looked back up. “Always while I’m drinking,” I would fume. “Am I the cause? Am I overthinking it? But so and so said…” and the guilty feedback loop would start up anew. It never failed. I began to picture the curve of my internal organs as the grand arch of the sky. "As above, so below," my mind affirmed while making the broad leap of connecting the 80 proof carpet-bombing of my internal organs with the streaks of toxins criss-crossing the sky high above. Of course, recalling how much they sprayed back then, I realize now it was just further proof of a serious drinking problem.

    But I was very drawn to the spiritual. Following that line of thinking I can hear the more esoterically minded amongst you say something like, “There is no other; we are all one so any appearances to the contrary are false; fear is nothing more than False Evidence Appearing Real,” and so on. Ok, so if there is no Them, if we’re all One, what’s going on here? We’ve all heard it said we’re fighting a spiritual battle, and though it would appear we are indeed connected to everything around us, made of the same star stuff, each one of us appears to have been dealt our own personal battle to contend with while the chaos plays out around us. It feels like two battles at once, the external and the internal, which leaves me wondering how one affects the other? And this line of reasoning generally leads to the next question: How much power and control do we really have? Do our thoughts, intentions, prayers, meditations, do our emotional bodies have a direct effect on the screen of maya, on what appears to take place in the material world around us? It’s all energy after all right? A few random references that would seem to indicate yes: 1) The power of group meditation to reduce crime, aka, the Maharishi Effect; 2) The 100th Monkey Effect which spontaneously changes behavior in an entire species; and 3) The possible implication contained within, “Where two or more are gathered in my name I am with them.” Some may question that last one but I’ve proved it a couple times with girlfriends when in dire straits (no, not abortion), both having no religious affiliation or leanings whatsoever.

    It’s my belief our human forms have yet to be fully realized or turned on, you know, all that junk dna they keep going on about. Maybe it’s possible to turn it back on, light up the chakras and so on. Some of you out there,https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...xpanded-States, are proving this to be true, tapping into exciting “new” powers and possibilities, maybe more a re-membering than discovering anything new. But new to us in this current incarnation so very inspiring nonetheless. But the Us vs Them dichotomy persists. How much of the chaos today are we personally responsible for, I mean on the God level, the universal level, in that we are but cells in the body of God and all is fractally contained within us, and on the possible past life karmic level, and how much is Them, because it’s obvious that most here on Avalon reading this post don’t have the diabolical and tyrannical aspirations to kill the world’s population and even destroy the world itself in order to become the phoenix rising from the ashes.

    You can’t foment division without an enemy, “a house divided against itself cannot stand,” and drinking causes chemtrails. Every good tale needs a moral. So is it still Us vs Them? Somebody’s controlling this inverted narrative and turning us against each other. I would love to hear others insights on the subject, broad and all-encompassing as it may be. Feel free to discuss anything that strikes you, if nothing, then guess I just felt like sharing. Mike recently brought up the concept of the magnificent game: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...-You-re-All-In Apologies for not taking your question more seriously because it was a good one. For me there has to be an element of mystery and suspense, a slow mounting tension while playing the long game, of never seeing that which keeps you on edge, not so much in the sense of the monster in a horror movie but more in sense of the dramatic musical crescendo where the tension grows to delicious heights before it finally breaks free. I think the magnificent game would contain such a long drawn out build up resulting in some spectacular form of breaking free, "Andy crawled to freedom through 500 yards of sh!t-smelling fowlness that I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to..." The mystery and suspense aspect plays right into the concept of Them. THEY have remained in the shadows for so long that most would deny their very existence (“The greatest trick…”) and if you try to tell them they won’t listen and they won’t believe you. This great mystery alone transforms this life into one magnificent game. We’re all in, indeed. Ideas on the next move?

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    Neville Goddard makes more and more sense to me. He said that our own wonderful creative imagination is God. What I see is that WE live in a realm where the original intention of BEING imaginal is coupled to its inversion. Our imaginal abilities are coupled to a propensity to be programmed. Our ignorance of our ability is coupled to the belief in an objective world. Our soul is coupled to an ego.

    IMO our imagination IS our power. Paradoxically though we are massively POWERFUL even when imagining the programmed intention, people cannot own their responsibility for what is observed, therefore bereft of any power.

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Neville Goddard makes more and more sense to me. He said that our own wonderful creative imagination is God. What I see is that WE live in a realm where the original intention of BEING imaginal is coupled to its inversion. Our imaginal abilities are coupled to a propensity to be programmed. Our ignorance of our ability is coupled to the belief in an objective world. Our soul is coupled to an ego.

    IMO our imagination IS our power. Paradoxically though we are massively POWERFUL even when imagining the programmed intention, people cannot own their responsibility for what is observed, therefore bereft of any power.
    Creation and imagination. So powerful and on target. Thank you Delight. I've always felt the creative impulse was our connection to God, God's way of speaking to us, God's way of speaking through us if we'd just allow it, if we could just quiet the ego and let ourselves go. No small undertaking, mind you, but the payoff...

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    Our ignorance of our ability...

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    Do our thoughts, intentions, prayers, meditations, do our emotional bodies have a direct effect on the screen of maya, on what appears to take place in the material world around us?

    Not usually.

    Coming from a similar experience, I was unsatisfied with "telling myself I am a good person because I mentally radiate such nice thoughts to all".

    I never found any effect from it; instead, things in general only got worse.

    It could be possible to have some kind of a telepathic influence, but I would not make plans or say that is reliable for the ordinary person.



    Quote How much of the chaos today are we personally responsible for

    Most of it. Despite my preferences, I have paid a lot of U. S. Taxes and I do not like what is done with them.

    Otherwise, if you make an a priori assumption about reincarnation, then it's a framed discussion which won't come out the same as the two main other "schools of law", Sempiternity and Nothing.


    I, personally, accept reincarnation, but this does not mean I have a particularly favorable view of it. That is to say, I expect most of my other embodiments have done all kinds of dumb and horrible things. The reason I have the view I do now is because of the suffering produced by those ways.

    Wisdom consists of knowledge applied to relieve suffering, so, I imagine there was a time I was little more than a monkey in the rain and learned about wisdom when someone invited me indoors.

    Like many, I have spent a bunch of time wishing other beings had better circumstances, but if asked to tell you of anything particularly good I've done, feed and clothe a village, no. I cannot see I have accomplished anything besides a few personal favors. I'm beneficial if someone decides to use me. As myself, I'm just wasting everyone's precious resources.

    This is one of the things I admire about Orthodoxy. They teach that God's love is the same for everybody. In actuality, you still have to use things like prisons and battles to push back against the thrust of evil. What it means is that *you* can't condemn anyone, whether you have to execute them or kill them in the field, you can't get contaminated with the same mental disease. In Ukraine there was a post about a Yakut fighter who testified exactly this after killing someone in a grueling knife fight.

    It takes a special kind of person to do that for the right reasons with a clear conscience.

    Here again the Russian strategy has told us the Enemy is Conflict. They have learned that a peace treaty isn't really a solution, because you have to deal with the causes of the conflict. Otherwise it comes back.

    I'm not against anybody. I hunt predators.

    Because I know there are deep-seeded ideas that exacerbate this, I am against a considerable array of ideas.

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    Cycles. As above, so below. Could it be that simple?

    Perhaps our collective spiritual existence here on this plane of being reflects a unique dichotomy of presence (or so it seems to our limited mundane perspectives); perhaps this unique dichotomy is not prevalent on other planes of being; perhaps there are two general concepts driving the spiritual development of us humans. There are some here to evolve, while there are others to devolve. We all thus embrace the world accordingly...

    No judgement. Remember, by definition, devolving implies Spirit has already been to Nirvana and is now heading in the opposite direction. Perhaps we all have been to Nirvana and back, numerious times. Night turns to day, day to night. Winter turns to Spring, Spring turns to Summer, to Autumn, but ultimately comes back to Winter again. Every 365.5 days to be exact.

    As above, so below. Saint and Satan may be one and the same, just opposite ends of the cycle of experience.

    If this concept doesn't sit up right to you, I would ask: where does Spirit really go once it merges with God? How does it expand from there? The idea of "stagnating in bliss" doesn't sit well with my understanding of how consciousness works.

    Perhaps some of us here are on an upward journey to God, while others (who may well have already fully experienced God on an individual spiritual level), are now on a downward journey away from God. To forget. Perhaps we are all on the same middle ground, just striving toward opposite vectors... Following the simplest explanation of as above, so below, perhaps God's method to expand consciousness is via Atrophy, through all of half or more of Its Oneness vessels, to eventually devolve to Nothingness, to Ignorance, to complete Separation from Source, so only to create the necessary spiritual conditions to start the journey to God all over again?

    Cycles.

    This is really one of the only explanations that makes sense to me as I contemplate your post. Us and Them may just be different vectors of the same circle... That seems to be our reality.
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    Default Re: Us vs. Them, how much power do we have?

    To your original question . . . "how much power do we have" . . . .

    As numerous as we are, our only true power against "them" is to not play their game.

    Their game is the parasitic intellect.

    For as long as we remain entranced by it, we are powerless.

    Oh, and by the way . . . . If the same stage hypnotist who "put-you-under" also 'wakes you up' . . . . . are you really awake ?


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    Thanks guys, some good food for thought.

    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Quote Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
    Do our thoughts, intentions, prayers, meditations, do our emotional bodies have a direct effect on the screen of maya, on what appears to take place in the material world around us?

    Not usually.

    Coming from a similar experience, I was unsatisfied with "telling myself I am a good person because I mentally radiate such nice thoughts to all".

    I never found any effect from it; instead, things in general only got worse.

    It could be possible to have some kind of a telepathic influence, but I would not make plans or say that is reliable for the ordinary person.
    And yet aren't They using this same “telepathic influence” in rituals against us everyday? They’re coming right out and performing these rituals in public now like the Opening Ceremony for the Olympics, the Opening of Cern, Superbowl halftime shows, etc., whereas they used to perform such rituals in secret, infiltrating the religious orders and making their group offerings and sacrifices on powerful ley lines that was the original reason for building churches and temples on such sites, the Earth’s true power lines. There’s verifiable energy on these lines, especially where they dissect. So they’ve been using prayer, or focused attention and intention, in its inverted form and amplified it through the Earth’s natural energies. Maybe we could regain some of this knowledge and use such forces for beneficial means.

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    How much of the chaos today are we personally responsible for
    Most of it. Despite my preferences, I have paid a lot of U. S. Taxes and I do not like what is done with them.

    Otherwise, if you make an a priori assumption about reincarnation, then it's a framed discussion which won't come out the same as the two main other "schools of law", Sempiternity and Nothing.


    I, personally, accept reincarnation, but this does not mean I have a particularly favorable view of it. That is to say, I expect most of my other embodiments have done all kinds of dumb and horrible things. The reason I have the view I do now is because of the suffering produced by those ways.

    Wisdom consists of knowledge applied to relieve suffering, so, I imagine there was a time I was little more than a monkey in the rain and learned about wisdom when someone invited me indoors.

    Like many, I have spent a bunch of time wishing other beings had better circumstances, but if asked to tell you of anything particularly good I've done, feed and clothe a village, no. I cannot see I have accomplished anything besides a few personal favors. I'm beneficial if someone decides to use me. As myself, I'm just wasting everyone's precious resources.

    This is one of the things I admire about Orthodoxy. They teach that God's love is the same for everybody. In actuality, you still have to use things like prisons and battles to push back against the thrust of evil. What it means is that *you* can't condemn anyone, whether you have to execute them or kill them in the field, you can't get contaminated with the same mental disease. In Ukraine there was a post about a Yakut fighter who testified exactly this after killing someone in a grueling knife fight.

    It takes a special kind of person to do that for the right reasons with a clear conscience.

    Here again the Russian strategy has told us the Enemy is Conflict. They have learned that a peace treaty isn't really a solution, because you have to deal with the causes of the conflict. Otherwise it comes back.

    I'm not against anybody. I hunt predators.

    Because I know there are deep-seeded ideas that exacerbate this, I am against a considerable array of ideas.
    I agree with you on the taxes, deceptive policy and deceitful governance are the name of the game. Gotta run at the moment, but killing someone with a clear conscience is a level a being I just cannot understand. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

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    To your original question . . . "how much power do we have" . . . .

    As numerous as we are, our only true power against "them" is to not play their game.

    Their game is the parasitic intellect.

    For as long as we remain entranced by it, we are powerless.

    Oh, and by the way . . . . If the same stage hypnotist who "put-you-under" also 'wakes you up' . . . . . are you really awake ?


    Ah yes, the glamour



    Sneaky little snakes. Sad to admit but we were all under that spell to one degree or another. Good points Norman, awake or still under the spell...

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    Cycles. As above, so below. Could it be that simple?

    Perhaps our collective spiritual existence here on this Earthly plane of being reflects a unique dichotomy of presence (or so it seems to our limited mundane perspectives); perhaps this unique dichotomy is not prevalent on other planes of being; perhaps there are two general concepts driving we and spiritual development humans are driving at on our spiritual development. There are some here to evolve, while others to devolve. We all thus embrace the world accordingly...

    No judgement. Remember, by definition, devolving implies Spirit has already been to Nirvana and is now heading in the opposite direction. Perhaps we all have been to Nirvana and back, numerious times. Night turns to day, day to night. Winter turns to Spring, Spring turns to Summer, to Autumn, but ultimately comes back to Winter again. Every 365.5 days to be exact.

    As above, so below. Saint and Satan may be one and the same, just opposite ends of the cycle of experience.

    If this concept doesn't sit up right, to you I would ask: where does Spirit really go once it merges with God? How does it expand from there? The idea of "stagnating in bliss" doesn't sit well with my understanding of how consciousness works.

    Perhaps some of us here are on an upward journey to God, while others (who well have already fully experienced God, on an individual spiritual level, are now on a downward journey away from God. To forget. Perhaps we are all on the same middle ground, just striving toward opposite vectors.. Following the simplest explanation of as above, so below, perhaps God's method to expand consciousness is via Atrophy, through all of half or more of Its Oneness vessels, to eventually devolve to Nothingness, to Ignorance, to complete Separation from Source, so only to create the necessary spiritual conditions to start the journey to God all all over again?

    Cycles.

    This is really one of the only explanations that makes sense to me as I contemplate your post. Us and Them may just be different vectors of the same circle... That seems to be our reality.
    “Some are here to evolve,, while others to devolve.” You may be onto something there, but devolution never sits well with me, it always comes across as a state of withering away and, ultimately, decomposition. The continued evolution of a species makes perfect sense and would seem to be the ultimate reason for being and experiencing life in my estimation. But the devo thing always gets me. And yet it’s clearly seen everywhere today, people devolving into something else, a more primal type of animal running on basic survival instincts, no longer capable of reflection and common decency, where acts of violence and various degrees of hatred are the norm. Yet is this a natural occurrence, a natural state of devolution we’re witnessing? I tend to think not, that this current edition of devolution has been carefully crafted and foisted upon what the great majority still view as a normal world. It feels like a grand experiment are we’re the critters chasing the cheese, if you know what I mean. I have trouble agreeing with, “devolving implies Spirit has already been to Nirvana and is now heading in the opposite direction.” Not because I don’t think it’s true that many have already been to Nirvana, possibly many times, that I fully believe, but purposely heading in the opposite direction doesn’t sit right. And definitely not the devo of today. It feels like a hijacking of the natural process of evolution, an interruption for the grand experiment.

    This might sound like I’m countering what I said above, but I completely agree with some journeying toward God and some journeying away. After everything I’ve read, that sits right. Devolution in that sense actually makes sense, in the way of a balanced overall system, some go up, some go down, some just float around. Definitely something to ponder. Thanks T Smith, because though I seek less violence, pain, and suffering both in my own life and on the world stage, “stagnating in bliss” sounds about as pleasant as a trip to the dentist.

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    Perception creates reality.

    Our perception is constantly re-arranging reality on a quantum level.

    Hence why the powers that be go above and beyond to manipulate our perception.

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    Quote Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    Cycles. As above, so below. Could it be that simple?

    Perhaps our collective spiritual existence here on this Earthly plane of being reflects a unique dichotomy of presence (or so it seems to our limited mundane perspectives); perhaps this unique dichotomy is not prevalent on other planes of being; perhaps there are two general concepts driving we and spiritual development humans are driving at on our spiritual development. There are some here to evolve, while others to devolve. We all thus embrace the world accordingly...

    No judgement. Remember, by definition, devolving implies Spirit has already been to Nirvana and is now heading in the opposite direction. Perhaps we all have been to Nirvana and back, numerious times. Night turns to day, day to night. Winter turns to Spring, Spring turns to Summer, to Autumn, but ultimately comes back to Winter again. Every 365.5 days to be exact.

    As above, so below. Saint and Satan may be one and the same, just opposite ends of the cycle of experience.

    If this concept doesn't sit up right, to you I would ask: where does Spirit really go once it merges with God? How does it expand from there? The idea of "stagnating in bliss" doesn't sit well with my understanding of how consciousness works.

    Perhaps some of us here are on an upward journey to God, while others (who well have already fully experienced God, on an individual spiritual level, are now on a downward journey away from God. To forget. Perhaps we are all on the same middle ground, just striving toward opposite vectors.. Following the simplest explanation of as above, so below, perhaps God's method to expand consciousness is via Atrophy, through all of half or more of Its Oneness vessels, to eventually devolve to Nothingness, to Ignorance, to complete Separation from Source, so only to create the necessary spiritual conditions to start the journey to God all all over again?

    Cycles.

    This is really one of the only explanations that makes sense to me as I contemplate your post. Us and Them may just be different vectors of the same circle... That seems to be our reality.
    “Some are here to evolve,, while others to devolve.” You may be onto something there, but devolution never sits well with me, it always comes across as a state of withering away and, ultimately, decomposition.
    The truth is, it doesn't sit right with me either. And I'm not sure how strongly I feel about these ideas--just something I've been pondering lately. At my very core, the evolution of species and consciousness is the ultimate reason for being and experiencing life; I honestly have a hard time imagining it any other way. But it is because of that I desperately try to reconcile the meaning behind something I don't easily understand, i.e., observing those who are blatantly and unashamedly following the complete opposite path to lower densities and to complete separation from Source. Couple that with compete disdain, contempt, and violence--even no regard for human life--toward those of us who do embrace the evolution of being. And the only thing that makes any sense to me at all as I contemplate the celebration of death and decay and glee over human suffering -- is -- somehow it must be part of the natural cycle of things?

    But yes, I'm with you completely. It doesn't resonate with me -- just provides some sense when framing the evil that co-exists with us here on this plane into the perspective of the Natural order.
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    And yet aren't They using this same “telepathic influence” in rituals against us everyday? They’re coming right out and performing these rituals in public now like the Opening Ceremony for the Olympics, the Opening of Cern, Superbowl halftime shows, etc., whereas they used to perform such rituals in secret, infiltrating the religious orders and making their group offerings and sacrifices on powerful ley lines that was the original reason for building churches and temples on such sites, the Earth’s true power lines. There’s verifiable energy on these lines, especially where they dissect. So they’ve been using prayer, or focused attention and intention, in its inverted form and amplified it through the Earth’s natural energies. Maybe we could regain some of this knowledge and use such forces for beneficial means.

    Yes but it's much closer and smaller than that.

    It's made of what every single person around you does.


    It's hypnotism.


    It comes from every tiny little move and facial expression.

    This is easy for me to witness, since not only am I trained to notice it but also to move differently. From this viewpoint, humans do not really know how to use the human body.

    Any Superbowl is there to validate something important about itself. To accept it at all is to bear some of this importance, and there you are railing about some artificial idea. Then you start picking up "stuff" from all these people and you become that.

    As to whether it works invisibly in ley lines, or visibly by a costume, I don't know.

    I am sure it works whenever anyone listens to it.




    Quote ...killing someone with a clear conscience is a level a being I just cannot understand. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
    Do you think that revolutions happen because of projection of a thoughtform? That the current Russian operation is because they were victims of mental division?

    It's usually because there was a "Them" in identifiable, tangible form, who caused uncontrollable grievances.

    In this case, you can see Ukraine spent about a generation informing its youth that Russians are animals, objects to hate.

    In the American War between the States, we spent about a generation educating youth about the excesses of the federal government. It wasn't about anger or channeled rebelliousness. It was all about what the government actually does. The same one we are still stuck with.

    This is normal, happens all the time, which is why the phrase stuck is particularly meaningful there.


    And so it takes a "different kind of person" because I would never ask a pacifist to participate in something like that. On the other hand, I can't say pacifism is wrong, and so if you follow what I am saying, I have moved myself into the position of protecting those pacifists. If I have to do something risky or drastic, so that someone I don't know has a better day a few years down the road, that is fine. I have no expectation of reward, or any assumption that I will survive.

    This is not something I seek to promote to everyone, precisely for that reason.

    I just had some insurance go up by $100/six months, while our property tax went up by about $100 a month. Talk about letting someone vote for free money for themselves. Now who would that be. Well it's not me or anyone I know, so I don't know. This place is far too decimated by Fascism to put up any meaningful resistance. It just makes a bunch of weak people, but just look how easily angered many of them remain to be. I suppose the system is working more or less as intended. I feel like I am already walking on the corpse of the world I came into. It has been made far worse by "Them" the whole time through. Ruined it. Used to have some potential. At this point, it perhaps is best to shift our attention elsewhere, to find ways of living better.

    I'd be fascinated if I could even discover a small town whose environment was anywhere close to what I and many others have been posting online.

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    We don't have the strength...
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    It's hypnotism.
    Speaking of hypnotism, I wanted to return a minute to the glamour: 1) Exciting or mysterious attractiveness usually associated with striking physical beauty, luxury, or celebrity; 2) Magic cast by a spell; enchantment; 3) A charm affecting the eye, making objects appear different from what they really are. Someone reminded me that many medicines and the most recent round of vaccines were created from snake venom? That’s especially peculiar when discussing the topic of They/Them. Our human record is littered with references to the snake. Is it just symbol, metaphor, and allegory or is there more to it? A great many of you could probably cite every reference to the snake throughout our scattered historical record, and that’s impressive, but where does it leave us, especially knowing that the history we are allowed to see is nothing but a skewed story of lies by omission for a specific purpose? Many are obviously in a trance of some state, the brainwaves altered to the Looney Tunes channel. I could find it funny if it weren’t becoming so violent.

    In light of recent events, many have been bringing up the battle between good and evil, the spiritual battle. Watching the spiritual possession of those celebrating Charlie Kirk’s assassination makes me think those who got the shots have been injected with something altogether different. Crank up the phone emf’s and look out - remote control zombies on parade. It’s like two forms of possession at once, spiritual and technological, "Wonder twin powers activate!" Again, if you don’t laugh…

    Then I think of the look on Kash Patel’s face as he denied the Epstein Files. That is the dictionary definition of the word glamour. What kind of spell is that boy under? And the Pope speaks in his Audience Hall shaped like a reptile so that he is literally speaking from the head of the snake? Wise as serpents.

    Just more questions in the Us vs Them enigma. It seems in this life the more you learn the less you know ultimately leaving you with more questions than answers. I see many out there are still putting faith in Trump. Idk, when I see him continue to sell billions in arms to Israel after Italy, Turkey, and even the UK suspended exports of arms and voiced concerns over Israel’s possible violations of international humanitarian laws, it kinda sorta starts to possibly maybe sound like he’s fully supporting and funding genocide.

    But I digress. And thanks Kam Sus for the heads up on the wisdom contained in My Big TOE, sometimes you miss it though it's right under your nose:

    "Consciousness is the fundamental reality. The physical world is an illusion, a virtual reality that only exists in our minds. We are Individuated Units of Consciousness: immortal, interconnected parts of a Larger Consciousness System. We chose to be players in the virtual reality game called life on Earth, set in a virtual universe computed by the system to aid our consciousness evolution. In this game we are the choice-makers for our virtual bodies: we use our free will to make choices that express our quality of consciousness. Our quality is accurately reflected by the intent motivating each choice (selfish/fear-based vs selfless/love-based). Our goal: to learn from the outcome of our choices in order to grow up and evolve the quality of our consciousness from fear to love. By evolving our individual consciousness quality from one round of the game to the next, we advance the evolution of the entire consciousness system."

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    Someone reminded me that many medicines and the most recent round of vaccines were created from snake venom? That’s especially peculiar when discussing the topic of They/Them. Our human record is littered with references to the snake. Is it just symbol, metaphor, and allegory or is there more to it? A great many of you could probably cite every reference to the snake throughout our scattered historical record, and that’s impressive, but where does it leave us, especially knowing that the history we are allowed to see is nothing but a skewed story of lies by omission for a specific purpose?

    I would say it is nearly everything.

    In our tradition, Poison becomes the cure. It's a principle of "reversing the axis", that the same power can be used to harm or heal. Not that it is "replaced" by some other power; it's just handled differently.

    The last sentence in the quote applies to the Veda. That is why I hound it so thoroughly. It deals with this very little; Rishi Agastya composes a hymn with snakes as dangerous creatures, which probably is the background for what we have in Buddhism. On the other hand, all the Brahmanical commentaries are similar to what you said; although I don't think it was intentional. They are removed from the era of Vedic composition by centuries, and are a bit more like guesswork.

    One of the things that went missing was the understanding of the clan of Serpents -- Sarpas, who are also Rishis.

    Rewound to the previous layer, although we can't read the script, the IVC Cobra does basically the same as it does for Buddha: expands its hood as a shelter.

    India has not just snake charmers, but also scorpion charmers.

    That's got to be glamour or hypnosis, because it means you have to project the right form of calm or you will surely die.

    I can't speak for those who are fascinated by Azi Dahaka and similar images that cast a serpent as an unrelenting body of evil. We have nothing to do with that. I think it may have been carried forward as a very different message from what we do. Rather, this is among the most important operating principles we have, transmutation of Poison as inflicted by various families of Nagas. And yes, I got bit really hard in order to sit here. This can be difficult.

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    Snake and scorpion charmers, sounds like the documentary of my youth growing up in LA. Speaking of reptiles, yet not meaning to get racist, it seems the Ashkenazi Jews are immune to the Covid Bioweapon:



    It's not picking on the Jews to say that. It's more a question asking why a certain specific subsect of the Jews, the one often referenced in similar globalist death and destruction scenarios, would somehow be immune to a completely new yet naturally occurring virus spawned from a wet market in China? This may have already been answsered in the Covid thread, if so, please fill me in.

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