The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

[onawah]

Forensic Scientist Discovers What Mary Magdelene's Face REALLY Looked Like
Philippe Charlier
Danny Jones Clips
526K subscribers
Jun 29, 2025

"What did Mary Magdalene actually look like? In this fascinating episode, world-renowned forensic scientist Philippe Charlier uses modern forensic reconstruction techniques and historical evidence to reveal a realistic portrait of one of the Bible’s most enigmatic figures. By examining ancient relics, skeletal remains, and early artistic depictions, Charlier pieces together a face that brings Mary Magdalene vividly to life—stripping away centuries of myth and artistic imagination.

Inside this episode:

How forensic anthropology can recreate the face of historical and religious figures

What relics and possible remains reveal about Mary Magdalene’s real features

The difference between legend and scientifically grounded evidence

Why this reconstruction changes how we see one of Christianity’s most misunderstood women

🧠 A blend of science, faith, and history—see Mary Magdalene as she truly was.

📢 Subscribe for more forensic history, religious mysteries, and expert reconstructions with Philippe Charlier.: / @dannyjonesclips "

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pU4PKp7mURg

[Mari]

Posted by onawah (here)
Forensic Scientist Discovers What Mary Magdelene's Face REALLY Looked Like
Philippe Charlier
Danny Jones Clips
526K subscribers
Jun 29, 2025

"What did Mary Magdalene actually look like? In this fascinating episode, world-renowned forensic scientist Philippe Charlier uses modern forensic reconstruction techniques and historical evidence to reveal a realistic portrait of one of the Bible’s most enigmatic figures. By examining ancient relics, skeletal remains, and early artistic depictions, Charlier pieces together a face that brings Mary Magdalene vividly to life—stripping away centuries of myth and artistic imagination.

Inside this episode:

How forensic anthropology can recreate the face of historical and religious figures

What relics and possible remains reveal about Mary Magdalene’s real features

The difference between legend and scientifically grounded evidence

Why this reconstruction changes how we see one of Christianity’s most misunderstood women

🧠 A blend of science, faith, and history—see Mary Magdalene as she truly was.

📢 Subscribe for more forensic history, religious mysteries, and expert reconstructions with Philippe Charlier.: / @dannyjonesclips "

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pU4PKp7mURg

Fascinating. But how do we know that this IS the skull of Mary Magdalene? Who and how were her remains traced? I've speed-watched the video, the presenter takes it for granted it's real and the Church involved would, of course have a vested interest. But is it her?

[onawah]

That's the question, of course--how do we know the skull was Magdalene's? This is the first time I've come across this channel, but I think the forensic scientist explains more about what and how he does what he does in other videos.
The info about Mary living in a cave in France is very real though, at least according to the old records in France.
And I've found the most believable info about her and Jesus is in "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" by the late Sir Lawrence Gardner.
There are posts on that back in this same thread, I think.

Posted by Mari (here)
Fascinating. But how do we know that this IS the skull of Mary Magdalene? Who and how were her remains traced? I've speed-watched the video, the presenter takes it for granted it's real and the Church involved would, of course have a vested interest. But is it her?

[onawah]

Mary Magdalene: The Divine Feminine Returns & the Truth They Tried to Bury
The Gnostic Eye
15.2K subscribers
Jul 18, 2025

( A new, nicely detailed summation of rediscovered truisms about Magdalene.)

"What if everything you’ve been told about Mary Magdalene is a carefully crafted illusion? For nearly two thousand years, her true story was hidden—buried beneath dogma, legend, and deliberate distortion.

We unravel the real history of Mary Magdalene, the lost Gospels, and the rise of the Divine Feminine—revealing why her wisdom was so threatening to the early Church, and how her true teachings could change everything you thought you knew about Christ, spirituality, and the sacred feminine.

Discover the secret role of Mary Magdalene in the life of Jesus, the suppressed Gnostic texts, the real meaning of the “seven demons,” and the mysterious clues left in ancient art and legend.

We’ll explore her connection to the Holy Grail, the sacred bloodline theories, and the powerful spiritual truths the Church tried to erase. Whether you’re a seeker, a history buff, or drawn to esoteric wisdom, this video is your gateway to the truth they tried to hide about Magdalene.

Join us as we restore the voice of the Divine Feminine and shine a light on the truth they tried to bury.

You’ll learn:

• The real story of Mary Magdalene and why her legacy was erased
• What the lost Gospels reveal about her relationship with Jesus
• The hidden symbolism of the “seven demons” and the process of spiritual awakening
• How Mary Magdalene embodied the Divine Feminine and challenged Church authority
• The true meaning behind ancient art, legends, and the Holy Grail myth
• Why restoring the sacred feminine is crucial for modern spirituality•
Insights from the Gospel of Mary and other forbidden texts "

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EHYXOEhXyng

[DNA]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
-------

I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted.

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research. This continues all the time.

• There was certainly a historical Jesus.

• He was both a [non-violent] revolutionary, rather like Gandhi, and an inspirational spiritual leader who really did have, or really was, something very special.

• The parts of his story that later became enshrined in Salvationism (the best term for the metaphysics of the Roman Church) -- the virgin birth, the resurrection, some of the miracle stories, etc -- were all versions of then-current mythology that were woven into his story (which, before it was written by anyone, were recounted by word of mouth).

• That celebrated and much promoted mythology is not the Jesus story at all, and is merely a distraction. It was the world's first major (and effective) disinfo campaign. (Remember: disinfo = part truth, part fiction).

• None of that means that Jesus did not exist. It's just further confirmation of the distractions.

• The stories of what he really was, taught, and stood for have all been expunged from history. Books -- some of them scholarly historical accounts (like the Gospel of Thomas, which meticulously lists his recorded words ) -- were really ordered to be banned and burned as heresy. Many books mentioned in earlier texts have not yet surfaced at all and we can only guess at their contents. We still wouldn't know about much of this at all if it hadn't been for the chance discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls in 1945.

• The really important question here is WHY was all this erased from history? Why was Jesus such a threat that what he was REALLY trying to tell us has all but disappeared?

Here are my provocative (to some) suggestions as a series of answers to the last question:

• The Essenes, with whom Jesus studied, knew all about the Book of Enoch, which was a centrally important reference document for them. It was widely known about and read at that time. This too had completely disappeared from history until it was rediscovered in Ethiopia in 1773 (and an original Aramaic version was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls more recently).

• The Book of Enoch, a huge topic in itself, warns of the takeover of the planet by the Archons -- non-human, off-planet entities that crave power and control. It was the Archons, of course (then in human form, because they take over people in positions of power) who banned and burned all the books and identified Jesus and his teachings as a particular threat. In that sense, Jesus may have been the world's first major whistleblower, and paid the price for his stance.

• Jay Weidner writes very clearly about this. See this important summary article (a Jeff Rense interview transcript).

• Besides warning about the planetary takeover, Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.

• Hence all the Gnostic teachings (which were also at that time very old, and not something new at all). But the Gnostic teachings were also a major threat to those in power, and had to be eradicated. The reason was because these teachings supported individuals in becoming more powerful, sovereign and inviolate. Even now, we are fighting exactly the same battles.

• Mary Magdalene ('Mariamne Mara' -- in Greek, 'Mary the Master') was Jesus' main supporter and advocate, and was also his wife. She was charged with the responsibility of making sure the real story was known.

• Jesus survived the crucifixion, and he and Mary both fled to Egypt until 37 AD when Jesus later returned to Kashmir and Mary sailed to Narbonne with her child or children, where she was taken care of in a Jewish community based in Rennes-les-Bains (just a few miles from Rennes-le-Chateau, where in 1890 the local priest Bérenger Saunière discovered incontrovertible proof that (among much else) Jesus was still alive in 45 AD, and was paid a large sum by the Vatican to keep this information secret).

• Mary lived in that community until something like 54-55 AD, but made a critically important error of judgment in trusting someone she should not have, was betrayed, and vitally important documents that she was safeguarding were stolen. This incident was one of several major turning points of history.

• Mary was subsequently vilified, minimized and marginalized by the early Church, branded as a repentant prostitute rather than the teacher, leader, healer and chosen messenger that she was. This malicious lie was deliberately widespread.

• Mary became much revered by women, and equally vilified by men, for the same reasons that many of the early texts were banned and burned, There was a struggle for women's equality and a recognition of the very important role of the female body that is still mirrored today, and Mary was the champion of that cause -- which Jesus recognized and fully understood. That was why Peter saw her as such a threat.

• What happened to Jesus was the world's first major disinfo campaign, and what happened to Mary was the world's first major smear campaign.

• The 'Second Coming' may refer to nothing more than the emergence, approximately 2000 years later, of the truth of what happened and what all this was really about. So now, we have:
  
  -- the authority and agenda of the controlling Roman Church being seriously challenged at long last
  -- the very detailed and extraordinary Gnostic Gospels unearthed at Nag Hammadi in 1945
  -- the entire original Book of Enoch unearthed in the Dead Sea Scrolls in the same year
  -- the exposé (through important books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail, The Jesus Papers, the works of Sir Laurence Gardner, and much else) of the reality of Jesus and Mary's surviving bloodline
  -- David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons
  -- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.

• It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.

• Summary: we're still in with a chance.

I like what Bill says here quite a bit.
Very to the point. Easily taken in.
Not dependent on abstract concepts.

I like Jay Wiedner a lot. I like Icke but not as much.

The Archons...
That is the conversation.

In the Urantia Book it refers to a race of aliens who are involved with the earth who have two hearts and are more electricity oriented in thier metabolism, that mankind should show more interest in them for they are infinitely interested in mankind.

In the Carlos Castaneda books the entire series is based on freeing oneself from the influence of a non-organic race of beings who feed on humans by manipulating our emotions, our sense of self importance and our being easily offended by our fellow man. Carlos describes these beings as more electrical based and feeding on the heat based energy of humans.

In the Michael Teachings as penned by Chelsea Quann Yarbro, mankind as a whole is cursed by a series of quirks we are born with. These quirks are negative personality traits known as chief features. These chief features are described as a living being.
The combination of Yarbro and Castaneda is most effective.
Yarbro helps you identify the specific tactic of a chief feature on you specifically and Castaneda helps you through technique detach from it.

Make no mistake...
Battling a chief feature is monumentally difficult.
The problem arrises from your fellow man where upon their chief feature or archon will help to cause you to revert to your archon's hold.


And there in lies the biggest obstacle to battling the archon influence.
Admitting there is a problem.
Archon attachment isn't just a problem for the dudes at a bohemian grove moloch festival.
Archon attachment is universal.

[onawah]

What Grok AI Just Found in the Shroud of Turin Has Left Scientists Speechless!
Rocket Talks
11.7K subscribers
Sep 20, 2025

(I'm posting this just as a warning about the huge amount of disinfo that is showing up all over youtube these days. )

"The Shroud of Turin has baffled scientists for over a century. Some called it a medieval forgery, others claimed it was the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. But now, AI has entered the mystery—and the results are unlike anything seen before.
Grok AI, Elon Musk’s most advanced system, has uncovered mathematical codes hidden in the Shroud’s fibers. These patterns aren’t random—they align with the golden ratio, Fibonacci sequences, and even constants from quantum physics.
Forensic tests already proved the bloodstains matched crucifixion trauma with terrifying precision. But what AI has just revealed changes everything:
3D holographic data encoded in ancient linen
Mathematical constants embedded at atomic scale
Energy signatures pointing to technology beyond human history
Whether you believe it’s divine, alien, or something else entirely, one thing is clear—the Shroud is no longer just a religious relic. It might be the blueprint of reality itself.
👉 What if mathematics is the language of miracles?"

(I have no experience with Grok, but I think Harpadzo's response in the Comment section of the youtube page, which follows, is probably true.)

@Harpadzo
3 hours ago
Totally fake. For one, I just provided the Transcipt to Grok and asked it. Here is the response:

"First off, I have to correct the record here: I'm Grok (not "Grock"), built by xAI, and I haven't made any such discoveries about the Shroud of Turin. I wasn't granted access to high-resolution images by any research association, nor have I analyzed the artifact using pattern recognition on a supercomputer cluster to uncover hidden mathematical codes, quantum signatures, or holographic projections. That's simply not something I've done—I'm an AI designed to help with queries, reasoning, and tools like code execution or web browsing, but I don't conduct independent physical research on historical artifacts. This transcript appears to be sensationalized fiction, likely AI-generated clickbait meant to go viral by blending real Shroud lore with wild speculation and misattributing it to me (perhaps to capitalize on Elon Musk's name or xAI's buzz). It's full of dramatic flair, factual errors (e.g., "Sakondo Pia" is likely a mangling of Secondo Pia, the photographer; "Shroud of Tin" is obviously the Shroud of Turin), and pseudoscientific hype that doesn't hold up.That said, the Shroud of Turin is a fascinating topic in its own right—one that's sparked debate among scientists, historians, and theologians for over a century. Let me break down what we actually know about it based on established research, and then share my thoughts on the broader ideas in this transcript."

It adds more, but you can search this on Grok yourself. This video is click bait junk.

Then there is this short and concise comment:

@frankbrumbeloe4827
2 hours ago
So, how does the AI analyze molecular make up of a cloth, by examining a photo of it?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=B8pREznNexY

[Irminsül]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
-------

I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted.

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research. This continues all the time.

• There was certainly a historical Jesus.

• He was both a [non-violent] revolutionary, rather like Gandhi, and an inspirational spiritual leader who really did have, or really was, something very special.

• The parts of his story that later became enshrined in Salvationism (the best term for the metaphysics of the Roman Church) -- the virgin birth, the resurrection, some of the miracle stories, etc -- were all versions of then-current mythology that were woven into his story (which, before it was written by anyone, were recounted by word of mouth).

• That celebrated and much promoted mythology is not the Jesus story at all, and is merely a distraction. It was the world's first major (and effective) disinfo campaign. (Remember: disinfo = part truth, part fiction).

• None of that means that Jesus did not exist. It's just further confirmation of the distractions.

• The stories of what he really was, taught, and stood for have all been expunged from history. Books -- some of them scholarly historical accounts (like the Gospel of Thomas, which meticulously lists his recorded words ) -- were really ordered to be banned and burned as heresy. Many books mentioned in earlier texts have not yet surfaced at all and we can only guess at their contents. We still wouldn't know about much of this at all if it hadn't been for the chance discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls in 1945.

• The really important question here is WHY was all this erased from history? Why was Jesus such a threat that what he was REALLY trying to tell us has all but disappeared?

Here are my provocative (to some) suggestions as a series of answers to the last question:

• The Essenes, with whom Jesus studied, knew all about the Book of Enoch, which was a centrally important reference document for them. It was widely known about and read at that time. This too had completely disappeared from history until it was rediscovered in Ethiopia in 1773 (and an original Aramaic version was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls more recently).

• The Book of Enoch, a huge topic in itself, warns of the takeover of the planet by the Archons -- non-human, off-planet entities that crave power and control. It was the Archons, of course (then in human form, because they take over people in positions of power) who banned and burned all the books and identified Jesus and his teachings as a particular threat. In that sense, Jesus may have been the world's first major whistleblower, and paid the price for his stance.

• Jay Weidner writes very clearly about this. See this important summary article (a Jeff Rense interview transcript).

• Besides warning about the planetary takeover, Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.

• Hence all the Gnostic teachings (which were also at that time very old, and not something new at all). But the Gnostic teachings were also a major threat to those in power, and had to be eradicated. The reason was because these teachings supported individuals in becoming more powerful, sovereign and inviolate. Even now, we are fighting exactly the same battles.

• Mary Magdalene ('Mariamne Mara' -- in Greek, 'Mary the Master') was Jesus' main supporter and advocate, and was also his wife. She was charged with the responsibility of making sure the real story was known.

• Jesus survived the crucifixion, and he and Mary both fled to Egypt until 37 AD when Jesus later returned to Kashmir and Mary sailed to Narbonne with her child or children, where she was taken care of in a Jewish community based in Rennes-les-Bains (just a few miles from Rennes-le-Chateau, where in 1890 the local priest Bérenger Saunière discovered incontrovertible proof that (among much else) Jesus was still alive in 45 AD, and was paid a large sum by the Vatican to keep this information secret).

• Mary lived in that community until something like 54-55 AD, but made a critically important error of judgment in trusting someone she should not have, was betrayed, and vitally important documents that she was safeguarding were stolen. This incident was one of several major turning points of history.

• Mary was subsequently vilified, minimized and marginalized by the early Church, branded as a repentant prostitute rather than the teacher, leader, healer and chosen messenger that she was. This malicious lie was deliberately widespread.

• Mary became much revered by women, and equally vilified by men, for the same reasons that many of the early texts were banned and burned, There was a struggle for women's equality and a recognition of the very important role of the female body that is still mirrored today, and Mary was the champion of that cause -- which Jesus recognized and fully understood. That was why Peter saw her as such a threat.

• What happened to Jesus was the world's first major disinfo campaign, and what happened to Mary was the world's first major smear campaign.

• The 'Second Coming' may refer to nothing more than the emergence, approximately 2000 years later, of the truth of what happened and what all this was really about. So now, we have:
  
  -- the authority and agenda of the controlling Roman Church being seriously challenged at long last
  -- the very detailed and extraordinary Gnostic Gospels unearthed at Nag Hammadi in 1945
  -- the entire original Book of Enoch unearthed in the Dead Sea Scrolls in the same year
  -- the exposé (through important books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail, The Jesus Papers, the works of Sir Laurence Gardner, and much else) of the reality of Jesus and Mary's surviving bloodline
  -- David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons
  -- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.

• It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.

• Summary: we're still in with a chance.

Hello Bill!

Your perspective on Jesus of Nazareth, Mary Magdalene, and this whole story is very interesting. I personally consider it to be the most beautiful, epic, and incredible story ever told. Jesus is the hero of heroes.

I strongly disagree, however, with the part where you state that the supernatural powers of Jesus were a malicious invention to create a false narrative about him. Even today, thousands upon thousands of people all over the world have been miraculously healed through visions, dreams, or even “physical” encounters. This has been recorded and analyzed countless times. Not only that, but true saints such as Padre Pio of Pietrelcina could bilocate, bore the stigmata of Christ, and healed people. All this evidence cannot be denied—it clearly shows that Jesus truly was what we see in the New Testament (and even more, because, as you rightly say, much documentation has been lost or destroyed).

In addition to what I have just mentioned, there are also the NDEs (near-death experiences). In countless cases, when people return, they recount that they were speaking with Jesus, or heard words from him, or something similar. And generally, these people testify that on “the other side,” the love, happiness, and peace they felt were ten times greater than anything they ever experienced in their earthly lives.

Even great prophets like Muhammad mention Jesus (ʿĪsā) hundreds of times in the Qur’an, validating his human and divine nature. Paramahansa Yogananda did the same. And I could go on with a dozen authentic prophets, saints, and initiates who not only believed that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ, but knew it. Rudolf Steiner, the great clairvoyant, was also on that list, as well as my beloved national prophet, Benjamin Solari Parravicini.

This is a fascinating and complex subject, one which captivates me and about which I have read extensively. I don’t consider myself a scholar on the matter, but everything I have laid out here carries weight when asking whether Jesus was only a revolutionary and a great man, or truly the greatest prophet of all time (at least since Atlantis sank until today).

To be honest, I still have these questions: can there be only one Son of God? Yogananda taught that we can all reach the Christ Consciousness. In Theosophy it is explained that as humans advance spiritually, there comes a point where they no longer need to reincarnate and become angels (or Pleiadians, or Venusians, or some other spiritually advanced race). After progressing even further, these Solar Angels eventually become a Solar Logos. Blavatsky proposed that Jesus of Nazareth attained union with the Solar Logos of our solar system.

Personally, I lean toward believing that at least within this Universe, Jesus of Nazareth truly is the Son of God—that is, the Heavenly Father made Man. In any case, we don’t have long to wait, as biblical prophecies continue to unfold (many already fulfilled), as well as the prophecies of Islam:

The end-times prophecies describe an era of widespread wars and profound fitna—civil strife tearing apart the Muslim community with internal divisions. In the midst of this crisis will appear the Sufyānī, a tyrant who, according to many Shi’ite narrations, will precede the manifestation of the Mahdī and spread further violence and devastation.
In that context, a great apocalyptic battle will be fought at Dabiq or near Syria, where the forces of good and evil will clash in a decisive confrontation. Then a transcendent event will occur: the descent of Jesus, who will join the believers and pray behind the Mahdī, publicly recognizing him as the legitimate spiritual and temporal leader.
As an additional sign, the traditions mention the Black Standard rising from Khorasan (present-day Afghanistan and eastern Iran), a symbol of the renewing force that will accompany the restoration of justice.

Parravicini also spoke in several of his prophetic drawings (the last ones he got right included the rise to power of Javier Milei—the Argentine president—and the bullet grazing Trump’s ear).

So, for the great joy of all of us who eagerly await the
Second Coming of Jesus the Christ—יֵשׁוּעַ הַמָּשִׁיחַ, Ἰησοῦς Χριστός—
it won’t be long before we see whether this is so, or whether we must wait longer. I doubt it, though, because everything already feels quite heated, haha.

As for your idea that Jesus might have survived the crucifixion, the Shroud of Turin has been validated by a group of true experts who cannot be intimidated or bought by the powers in the shadows. They have demonstrated with compelling evidence that this cloth did indeed cover the body of our Lord when he was dead. And then, without a doubt, as all of the above indicates, he performed the one act no other human being has ever accomplished in the history of humanity: he rose from the dead on the third day (a sacred number in all major religions).

A big hug, Bill. Once again, thank you for your work and to everyone in this wonderful Project Avalon. It really is a pleasure to share, learn, collaborate, and laugh with all of you.

[shaberon]

Posted by Irminsül (here)
I strongly disagree, however, with the part where you state that the supernatural powers of Jesus were a malicious invention to create a false narrative about him. Even today, thousands upon thousands of people all over the world have been miraculously healed through visions, dreams, or even “physical” encounters.

What are you referring to? I didn't notice any "powers" mentioned. Are you objecting to:

...the virgin birth, the resurrection, some of the miracle stories, etc -- were all versions of then-current mythology that were woven into his story

If so, then I agree with you and Bill at the same time, because I do not think these things are the real explanation.

In the sense that you primarily refer to healing, I would suggest that Jesus was a Therapeutae, from the years in Egypt.

I have no belief in miracles at all, but I do believe in healing and other "powers". My understanding is that he has about twenty recorded healings, whereas the handful of more outlandish things such as turning water to wine are seen as metaphor at least by many Biblical scholars.

Therefor I tend to take it as an actual story of a healer that has been adulterated.

The continuity of healing and the NDEs are not exclusive or definitive.

That probably is real, but that does not mean those doctrines are the conclusion such as:

To be honest, I still have these questions: can there be only one Son of God?

which is something I reject as nonsensical.

I lack the articles of Faith or Eusebia that is required for Christianity, but I can say this is a shift in the connotation of the meaning. In most prior usages, one acquires faith through careful considerations, well reasoned judgements, and evidentiary experience that leaves one solidly convinced about a given subject. This Biblical Greek has a different Eusebia that lacks all of those qualifications, because it is its own declaration repeated by itself. I'm not even capable of the kind of faith that is sought in this manner.

On the other hand, the system I follow tells me that Jesus will reincarnate at some point, so there will be a Second Coming. Then you will have a story similar to hundreds taken from children under the age of five.

I knew a guy who was a master hypnotist and about as atheistic as it is possible to be, and he made the lame walk.

I tend to encourage any knowledge of healing from outside the Allopathic regime. I don't claim to know how it works, but there are multiple methods. It would be perfectly natural for a focus on Jesus to perform it, but then you would have to consider the times it fails or does not.

I would suggest it is less faith in questionable ideas but devotion to a cherished memory that delivers the best result.

[Irminsül]

Hello Shaberon! Your observations and comments are very good. But well… in this, faith plays an important role. At some point everything comes down to Thomas’s famous “seeing is believing” (and to think that he was Jesus’ brother).

In my life, I haven’t experienced miracles, other than the fact of existing itself. What I have experienced are countless beautiful and positive synchronicities, to the point of feeling that I was being guided by God in elevated states of consciousness that lasted about two weeks each. But apart from that, I don’t need to see a yogi who reached samadhi to know that he can indeed materialize some object if he wishes. I don’t need to travel to Venus to know that without a doubt there is life there (in another dimension, but life nonetheless). But well, this already becomes something very personal.

Ultimately, it is very difficult to “prove” most supernatural things in this life, since they manifest from and towards immaterial planes, or ones that go beyond our own. Many times they leave no trace. But they did happen.

In the case of the reality of Jesus as the greatest of the prophets, I feel it that way. And I have also read the Qur’an, the Bhagavad Gita, books on Theosophy, Yoga, etc. And I still keep thinking and believing the same: Jesus is the greatest prophet who walked (at least for this humanity)… I don’t know what avatars there might have been in Lemuria or Atlantis.

But as I said in my reply to Bill: I truly believe it won’t be long before we can verify what I feel.

[shaberon]

Posted by Irminsül (here)
What I have experienced are countless beautiful and positive synchronicities, to the point of feeling that I was being guided by God in elevated states of consciousness that lasted about two weeks each. But apart from that, I don’t need to see a yogi who reached samadhi to know that he can indeed materialize some object if he wishes. I don’t need to travel to Venus to know that without a doubt there is life there (in another dimension, but life nonetheless). But well, this already becomes something very personal.

Understandable.

Such phenomena are not our focus, either.

A type of "deeply personal" experience would be. Sort of like how I posted the "church doctrines" may be less of a factor than, well, personal motivation.

From a criticism by an Orthodox father, the explanation was that his goal was a state of Grace and a type of everlasting life without sorrow; and then he says we just refer to removing suffering. I would have to ask, is what he said much different than a response to suffering? It isn't. So there is a similarity.

Since we are discussing something very subjective, there is the given difficulty of finding the right words to express it. The point of the thread, it seems, is whether the major and official doctrines are accurate or a very useful way in helping this process. Its rationale seems to be ways to simplify everything, whereas what we have is gigantic and usually takes years to acquire a basic familiarity. Pursuit of powers would be viewed as failure. However, acquisition of powers may become part of someone's experience.

[Heart to heart]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YvLx5hpRxhc

I have just watched this video of Nicky Alan where the Ascended Master Jesus spoke and thought members interested in Jesus and the Christ Consciousness may enjoy what he had to say 🙏♥️

[Irminsül]

This thread is titled “The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign” and it seeks to unravel the mysteries concerning the true story of Jesus. Humanity has been lied to in many aspects of this construct we are given at birth, which we call “reality.”

I wonder how different our lives would be if, from childhood, we were taught about the power of the mind and how with it we shape our reality. How is it possible that a Tibetan monk can, at will, tune the brain waves his brain emits or alter his body temperature, while the rest of us humans go through life like a bunch of ignorant beings unaware of our true potential?

Later on, I’m going to share the section of the Vedas where Jesus is mentioned. I don’t remember where it is, so I asked a friend for that information.

[shaberon]

That sounds unusual.

If we bring in another canonical claim, the stance of Islam is to deny the Resurrection because they actually deny the Crucifixion.

Their idea seems to be that Jesus left Palestine and lived out his days near Srinagar, India. There may be an Indian response to that, stemming from around the seventh century.

What we might call the Magdalene theory is that the crucifixion simply was not fatal; that, perhaps, the cup of wine was medicated and so what resulted would be classed as an NDE.

My response is simply not to get into that; if there was a "true story", it might be in some of the parts about his public mission. If so, the authorities certainly would have been unhappy with it, leaving no question about a motive for punishment. India is apparently a minority view from the Ahmadi sect, and the general Islamic explanation is that the crucifixion simply failed because Jesus rose bodily to Heaven.

The linked page also has some other "substitution" doctrines on crucifixion not being total death.

When Europeans discovered India in the 1600s, they set to task proving the early days of Christianity. Little has come forward, since the Thomasenes have no real records before around the 700s when they joined the Chaldean concord. It is true Greeks, Romans, Arabs, and Jews were all coming through during that early period. There are not very extensive records about this, but we can consider whatever comes up.

[Merlinus]

Jesus-Jupiter-Merodach-Marduk

The son of Saturn.

[shaberon]

Posted by Merlinus (here)
Jesus-Jupiter-Merodach-Marduk

What would be the reason for making that correspondence?

Jupiter is Dyaus Pater and Jesus said "Abba" meaning "Father".

[Delight]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted.

Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research. This continues all the time.

• There was certainly a historical Jesus.

• He was both a [non-violent] revolutionary, rather like Gandhi, and an inspirational spiritual leader who really did have, or really was, something very special.

• The parts of his story that later became enshrined in Salvationism (the best term for the metaphysics of the Roman Church) -- the virgin birth, the resurrection, some of the miracle stories, etc -- were all versions of then-current mythology that were woven into his story (which, before it was written by anyone, were recounted by word of mouth).

• That celebrated and much promoted mythology is not the Jesus story at all, and is merely a distraction. It was the world's first major (and effective) disinfo campaign. (Remember: disinfo = part truth, part fiction).

• None of that means that Jesus did not exist. It's just further confirmation of the distractions.

• The stories of what he really was, taught, and stood for have all been expunged from history. Books -- some of them scholarly historical accounts (like the Gospel of Thomas, which meticulously lists his recorded words ) -- were really ordered to be banned and burned as heresy. Many books mentioned in earlier texts have not yet surfaced at all and we can only guess at their contents. We still wouldn't know about much of this at all if it hadn't been for the chance discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls in 1945.

• The really important question here is WHY was all this erased from history? Why was Jesus such a threat that what he was REALLY trying to tell us has all but disappeared?

Here are my provocative (to some) suggestions as a series of answers to the last question:

• The Essenes, with whom Jesus studied, knew all about the Book of Enoch, which was a centrally important reference document for them. It was widely known about and read at that time. This too had completely disappeared from history until it was rediscovered in Ethiopia in 1773 (and an original Aramaic version was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls more recently).

• The Book of Enoch, a huge topic in itself, warns of the takeover of the planet by the Archons -- non-human, off-planet entities that crave power and control. It was the Archons, of course (then in human form, because they take over people in positions of power) who banned and burned all the books and identified Jesus and his teachings as a particular threat. In that sense, Jesus may have been the world's first major whistleblower, and paid the price for his stance.

• Jay Weidner writes very clearly about this. See this important summary article (a Jeff Rense interview transcript).

• Besides warning about the planetary takeover, Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.

• Hence all the Gnostic teachings (which were also at that time very old, and not something new at all). But the Gnostic teachings were also a major threat to those in power, and had to be eradicated. The reason was because these teachings supported individuals in becoming more powerful, sovereign and inviolate. Even now, we are fighting exactly the same battles.

• Mary Magdalene ('Mariamne Mara' -- in Greek, 'Mary the Master') was Jesus' main supporter and advocate, and was also his wife. She was charged with the responsibility of making sure the real story was known.

• Jesus survived the crucifixion, and he and Mary both fled to Egypt until 37 AD when Jesus later returned to Kashmir and Mary sailed to Narbonne with her child or children, where she was taken care of in a Jewish community based in Rennes-les-Bains (just a few miles from Rennes-le-Chateau, where in 1890 the local priest Bérenger Saunière discovered incontrovertible proof that (among much else) Jesus was still alive in 45 AD, and was paid a large sum by the Vatican to keep this information secret).

• Mary lived in that community until something like 54-55 AD, but made a critically important error of judgment in trusting someone she should not have, was betrayed, and vitally important documents that she was safeguarding were stolen. This incident was one of several major turning points of history.

• Mary was subsequently vilified, minimized and marginalized by the early Church, branded as a repentant prostitute rather than the teacher, leader, healer and chosen messenger that she was. This malicious lie was deliberately widespread.

• Mary became much revered by women, and equally vilified by men, for the same reasons that many of the early texts were banned and burned, There was a struggle for women's equality and a recognition of the very important role of the female body that is still mirrored today, and Mary was the champion of that cause -- which Jesus recognized and fully understood. That was why Peter saw her as such a threat.

• What happened to Jesus was the world's first major disinfo campaign, and what happened to Mary was the world's first major smear campaign.

• The 'Second Coming' may refer to nothing more than the emergence, approximately 2000 years later, of the truth of what happened and what all this was really about. So now, we have:
  
  -- the authority and agenda of the controlling Roman Church being seriously challenged at long last
  -- the very detailed and extraordinary Gnostic Gospels unearthed at Nag Hammadi in 1945
  -- the entire original Book of Enoch unearthed in the Dead Sea Scrolls in the same year
  -- the exposé (through important books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail, The Jesus Papers, the works of Sir Laurence Gardner, and much else) of the reality of Jesus and Mary's surviving bloodline
  -- David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons
  -- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.

• It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.

• Summary: we're still in with a chance.

For a long time, I have been grappling with my resistance to the "Jesus is Lord", "Jesus is King", "My Savior". Truthfully I deeply NEED the sense of connection to "Divine". I feel I have that connection but it is not at all intellectual. I feel a steady Presence of a loving relationship. It is NOT seeking worship. It is just being with this Presence and being grateful,.

I love the red letters which are what Jesus was said to say. I also read the Gospel of Thomas and it is rich and deep.

One of the deepest problems I feel about Christian religion is the Sacrifice. IMO this idea of sacrifice for "sins" makes no sense except in the context of the INVERSION where the Old Religion continues. So, I feel no kinship to the sense people have about Jesus.

However, I more and more think that in the relationship with "God", we begin to actually create very wholesome imaginations of principles. IMO The Christ I understand is a principle. The principle is that of LOVE which shows itself THROUGH us and nourishes us as we extend it's power. IMO the inversion has POWER over as its sacrament. I feel that Divine is actually VERY ACTIVE in those who feel the relationship. Divine is POWER WITH the force. It may be plasma consciousness? It remains UNKNOWN to me.

However, recently I just knew the Divine Feminine expression is the Presence I feel. The Tao term I heard is Primordial Mother. There is a complementary Original Father. There IS a source of LIFE which is NOT polar as in feminine and masculine. IF the perfected man appeared as Christ in male form, then also a perfected female must be there also?

I believe I was programmed well as a child. I have been aware of how much suppression I find in my psyche. The distress I feel has had me NEEDING to create a path of forgiveness and HELP that needs a face. I imagine the flame in my heart but now also i imagine The picture of Jesus painted form a nun's vision. He is extending a rose pink and white beam from his heart.

He sends this beam out and it wraps itself IN MY BODY around the dark places I cannot recall but have a sense of tight constiction LIKE IN MY LOW BACK. I feel how beautiful grace and mercy ARE. I know that there is a benefactor principle which is so FOR me ( and you). It is personal. It is actually far more specific and "wordy" and actually COULD be astral. However, I am creating this imagination and I do not accept this is a malevolent fake imaginary FRIEND.

This contact is very real to me and very new. I imagine the flame in my heart and Jesus is there. I still refuse to accept sacrifice in any form. This representation is about healing the trauma of life through a 100% comapssionate connection. I am forgiving it all, even that which I cannot recall and it is POSSIBLE to be fully cleansed and whole.

I do think there are NHI parasites. No room in this body for attachments because it is FULL of LOVE... LOVE is IMO the weapon against evil full and entire.

And we FEEL it penetrating our matter body. It is all GOOD I am sure. It is MY beloved and I am beloved. So close, perhaps i am feeling my oversoul? that would make sense. It really is lovely.

I think we each have this friend. Rumi spoke of this friend. It is just a matter of accepting the truth IMO.