Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[JackMcThorn]

Just in case you are wondering:

The ultimatum deadline is East Coast Time or Zulu Time at 7:45 pm this evening. [Not local theater time zone.]

[Tintin]

Posted by Szymon (here)
News just in.

Yes, and for context: this would be a humanitarian disaster on a scale never seen before, in our time:

Source: https://x.com/BinsaeedRashid/status/2035824085251285104

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NOBODY KNOWS HOW ****ED THE WATER SITUATION ACTUALLY IS

Iran just threatened to destroy every desalination plant in the Middle East. Here’s how much each country depends on them to survive:

🇰🇼 Kuwait — 90% of ALL drinking water from desalination. One strike = ZERO water for ENTIRE country.
🇴🇲 Oman — 86% dependent. No backup supply exists.
🇮🇱 Israel — 75% dependent. Already the target of Iran's retaliation threats.
🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia — 70% dependent. LARGEST desalination capacity in the world. Also largest target.
🇧🇭 Bahrain — 60% dependent. Desalination plants ALREADY HIT in the past 2 weeks.
🇶🇦 Qatar — 50% dependent. Ras Laffan energy complex already struck.
🇦🇪 UAE — 42-50% dependent. Home to some of the world's largest plants.

💀 That's ~100,000,000 people who cannot survive without desalination.

💀 These are DESERT nations. No rivers. No lakes. No aquifers that can replace what desalination provides.

💀 Atlantic Council confirmed: "Several limited attacks on desalination plants in Iran AND Bahrain" — FIRST TIME IN HISTORY.

Iran just proved the concept works. Qeshm Island: one strike, 30 villages lost water.

Now they're threatening to do it to EVERY country in the Gulf.

The UN warned of "global water bankruptcy" in January. India is sinking. America is drinking PFAS.

And now the only water source keeping 100,000,000 people alive in the desert is a military target.

This is the most dangerous escalation since water became a human right.

Prepare accordingly. 🚨🚨🚨

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just seen this on News… BBC

[Bill Ryan]

Donald Trump posted this just a few minutes ago:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...78232362967212

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I AM PLEASED TO REPORT THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THE COUNTRY OF IRAN, HAVE HAD, OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS, VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. BASED ON THE TENOR AND TONE OF THESE IN DEPTH, DETAILED, AND CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS, WHICH WILL CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD, SUBJECT TO THE SUCCESS OF THE ONGOING MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP

[Tintin]

Posted by Eric J (Viking) (here)
Just seen this on News… BBC

"WHICH" NOT "WITCH"

Thank you for paying attention to this matter

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by Tintin (here)

Posted by Eric J (Viking) (here)
Just seen this on News… BBC

"WHICH" NOT "WITCH"

Thank you for paying attention to this matter

Yes I did notice that, but on the TV news channel so worth a punt. 🤷‍♂️

More here…

Donald Trump says the US and Iran have held talks on the "complete and total resolution of hostilities" in the Middle East
He says that, as a result of the talks, he has postponed threatened strikes on Iranian power plants
On Saturday night, Trump gave Iran a 48-hour deadline to reopen the Strait of Hormuz - or, he said, the US would "obliterate" Iranian power plants, "starting with the biggest one first"
Earlier, UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer and US President Donald Trump agreed that reopening the Strait of Hormuz is "essential to resume global shipping" during a call late on Sunday
The call - which came on the day Trump shared a satirical clip about the PM - lasted 20 minutes and was "constructive", Downing Street says
Meanwhile, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says it expects to face "several more weeks of fighting" against Iran and Hezbollah

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce35wke27ynt

Yes I also clocked that Bill. 👍

Edit to add:

Live now. Alastair Crooke has already checked with a contact in Tehran and states plainly that this is "just lies".

[Bill Ryan]

Regarding the above statement by President Trump (about which I'd expect a denial about this from the Iranians pretty soon!), I'll be listening to Alastair Crooke live with Judge Napolitano coming up in 15 minutes. He's extremely well-connected and will be sure to frame this in solid reality.

Alastair Crooke : Trump Loses Control of the War

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cg_IFXiCNLM

Edit to add:

Live now. Alastair Crooke has already checked with a contact in Tehran and states plainly that this is "just lies".

[Bill Ryan]

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/178939

Iranian media say no direct or indirect contact with Trump, claim he ‘backed down’

Iran’s Fars news agency, citing an unnamed Iranian source, says there has been no direct contact with US President Donald Trump, “not through an intermediary”.

The source claimed Trump “backed down” after being warned that Iran would target power plants.

The report added that Trump had said talks with Iran were under way, despite the source denying any such communication.

The claims could not be independently verified, and there has been no immediate comment from US officials.

[Arcturian108]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/178939

Iranian media say no direct or indirect contact with Trump, claim he ‘backed down’

Iran’s Fars news agency, citing an unnamed Iranian source, says there has been no direct contact with US President Donald Trump, “not through an intermediary”.

The source claimed Trump “backed down” after being warned that Iran would target power plants.

The report added that Trump had said talks with Iran were under way, despite the source denying any such communication.

The claims could not be independently verified, and there has been no immediate comment from US officials.

Trump's tweet doesn't mention the Islamic regime, but instead says "The Country of Iran". So this Iranian doctor has the following to say about this:

Dr. Mehrdad Ashabi
@Medinfo_X
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(Translated from Persian)
"Trump's shift in tone from "regime" to "the country of Iran" (THE COUNTRY OF IRAN) in his latest tweet is no coincidence. When he speaks of "constructive dialogue" while the Islamic Republic categorically denies any negotiations, it means the seat across the table in Washington doesn't belong to the current officials.

What's fascinating is that the order to halt attacks on power plants aligns precisely with Prince Reza Pahlavi's recent request (protecting national infrastructure and focusing on the hard core of power). This five-day pause in attacks carries the scent of an agreement with alternative forces and the opposition." Taken from this tweet

[SilentFeathers]

It's hard to say what is true or false, what is real or fake.

For Trump to make such a threat publicly that he was going to do what he said if Iran didn't open the Straight of Hormuz was either really stupid or had a specific reasoning behind it. To tell the enemy in wartime what your next move is and disclose the time you're going to do it just doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion. This whole threat could of been as simple as an attempt to trigger some type of Iranian military movement and/or expose a location of Iranian troops preparing and are capable for a response to such a US attack.

[Flash]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
It's hard to say what is true or false, what is real or fake.

For Trump to make such a threat publicly that he was going to do what he said if Iran didn't open the Straight of Hormuz was either really stupid or had a specific reasoning behind it. To tell the enemy in wartime what your next move is and disclose the time you're going to do it just doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion. This whole threat could of been as simple as an attempt to trigger some type of Iranian military movement and/or expose a location of Iranian troops preparing and are capable for a response to such a US attack.

You are giving credit of Trump having a war strategy where there is none.

US is just dealing with an egomaniac president.

His strategy is personal wealth accumulation ( billions for him and family since one year ago), and power grab at any price, even at a third world war price. How? If his reelection is jeopardize when American will finally for God sake wake up, he will provoke a wider war to stop any election, US being at war.

Most of us cannot comprehend how pevert narcissists and psychopaths think. The only time they will protect or help the public is if, and only if, it gives them power. Otherwise they do not care AT ALL.

Also, war with Iran and take over of the whole Middle East was in the plans in the US since mid 2000. He is following orders pocketting meanwhile.

A faction of fondamentalist Christians and of Zionists think that the Second coming of Christ or the first coming of the savior will happen when the jews have all the promised land which encompass the whole Middle East and more. So Trump is obeying because he has full lust for power.

Take courses on psychopatic behavior, see Dr Vaknin, ot NCI Chase Hughes or anyone describing pervert narcissists or psychopatic behaviors. Get informed!!!

[Jaak]

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
It's hard to say what is true or false, what is real or fake.

For Trump to make such a threat publicly that he was going to do what he said if Iran didn't open the Straight of Hormuz was either really stupid or had a specific reasoning behind it. To tell the enemy in wartime what your next move is and disclose the time you're going to do it just doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion. This whole threat could of been as simple as an attempt to trigger some type of Iranian military movement and/or expose a location of Iranian troops preparing and are capable for a response to such a US attack.

You are giving credit of Trump having a war strategy where there is none.

US is just dealing with an egomaniac president.

His strategy is personal wealth accumulation ( billions for him and family since one year ago), and power grab at any price, even at a third world war price. How? If his reelection is jeopardize when American will finally for God sake wake up, he will provoke a wider war to stop any election, US being at war.

Most of us cannot comprehend how pevert narcissists and psychopaths think. The only time they will protect or help the public is if, and only if, it gives them power. Otherwise they do not care AT ALL.

Also, war with Iran and take over of the whole Middle East was in the plans in the US since mid 2000. He is following orders pocketting meanwhile.

A faction of fondamentalist Christians and of Zionists think that the Second coming of Christ or the first coming of the savior will happen when the jews have all the promised land which encompass the whole Middle East and more. So Trump is obeying because he has full lust for power.

Take courses on psychopatic behavior, see Dr Vaknin, ot NCI Chase Hughes or anyone describing pervert narcissists or psychopatic behaviors. Get informed!!!

I'm simply just making an opinion, I don't know what is exactly going on and neither do you.

You need to take a course on manners.

[Arcturian108]

The following Middle Eastern scholar and author, Dan Burmawi, looks at the bigger picture, and basically says that there are two opposing opinions about what is happening in the Middle East. Here is the video.

[Flash]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
It's hard to say what is true or false, what is real or fake.

For Trump to make such a threat publicly that he was going to do what he said if Iran didn't open the Straight of Hormuz was either really stupid or had a specific reasoning behind it. To tell the enemy in wartime what your next move is and disclose the time you're going to do it just doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion. This whole threat could of been as simple as an attempt to trigger some type of Iranian military movement and/or expose a location of Iranian troops preparing and are capable for a response to such a US attack.

You are giving credit of Trump having a war strategy where there is none.

US is just dealing with an egomaniac president.

His strategy is personal wealth accumulation ( billions for him and family since one year ago), and power grab at any price, even at a third world war price. How? If his reelection is jeopardize when American will finally for God sake wake up, he will provoke a wider war to stop any election, US being at war.

Most of us cannot comprehend how pevert narcissists and psychopaths think. The only time they will protect or help the public is if, and only if, it gives them power. Otherwise they do not care AT ALL.

Also, war with Iran and take over of the whole Middle East was in the plans in the US since mid 2000. He is following orders pocketting meanwhile.

A faction of fondamentalist Christians and of Zionists think that the Second coming of Christ or the first coming of the savior will happen when the jews have all the promised land which encompass the whole Middle East and more. So Trump is obeying because he has full lust for power.

Take courses on psychopatic behavior, see Dr Vaknin, ot NCI Chase Hughes or anyone describing pervert narcissists or psychopatic behaviors. Get informed!!!

I'm simply just making an opinion, I don't know what is exactly going on and neither do you.

You need to take a course on manners.

Yes I do know about narcissist psychiatric pathological traits and psychopatic ones. I KNOW. This is my expertise. And Trump seems to have all the traits from what I observe in the public sphere although I have not met him personnally and therefore cannot be sure entirely.

The problem is not Trump nor Netanyau. Those kind of people will naturally go for power at any cost. It is their nature. The problem are those that are happily manipulated and cannot change their beliefs paradigms even when faced right in their face with all the facts coming from all over.

And for that the whole planet has to pay.

I was pro Trump at first, it took 2 weeks of his presidency for me to teverse my views. It was wayyyyy too obvious to me. And forget senile Joe, it was no better.

it is no more time for manners, not when the planet and humanity are at risk.

[Jaak]

"Iran has been evil for 47 years, death all over the world" — Trump

"Look at the way they attacked unexpectedly all those countries surrounding them"

[shaberon]

Israel had to move defenses out of the south because:

Israeli intelligence estimates had previously assumed that the Hezbollah resistance movement lacked the ability to mount a large-scale offensive against the regime.

In an earlier statement on Monday, Hezbollah said that it has conducted 63 military operations against Israel in the past 24 hours within the framework of defending Lebanese territory and its people, and in direct response to the regime’s continuous aggressions.

Israeli media, stunned by Hezbollah’s military capabilities, have admitted that the resistance group has been able to inflict heavy losses on the Tel Aviv regime’s military over the past few days.

[Arcturian108]

Here is a video of Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister putting down the Iranian Islamic regime: Video

[JackMcThorn]

Posted by Flash (here)
Yes I do know about narcissist psychiatric pathological traits and psychopatic ones. I KNOW. This is my expertise. And Trump seems to have all the traits from what I observe in the public sphere although I have not met him personnally and therefore cannot be sure entirely.

The problem is not Trump nor Netanyau. Those kind of people will naturally go for power at any cost. It is their nature. The problem are those that are happily manipulated and cannot change their beliefs paradigms even when faced right in their face with all the facts coming from all over.

And for that the whole planet has to pay.

I was pro Trump at first, it took 2 weeks of his presidency for me to teverse my views. It was wayyyyy too obvious to me. And forget senile Joe, it was no better.

it is no more time for manners, not when the planet and humanity are at risk.

Well now we have learned a little more about Flash. If the world's leadership has gone off the rails then permission is granted to treat people like shoe leather. Frankly, I disagree. It is important when the planet and humanity are at risk not to sink to lower levels of behavior. Especially on this website. Yes, indeed people deserve respect even during these troubling and divisive times.

[bojancan]

Yes, we all know that the no sane human being / politician would negotiate with a pathological liar... through his words and deeds, T destroyed any perceived integrity and trust of this administration... first his thoughts are... market... making billions after billions to himself and his cronies...... he is causing the collapse which will be going on for decades... it becomes painfully visible to most of us, who didn't have trust in this man.... that this is reality... he is crazy... sorry, to put out like that in this thread....
I am sad and angry... now is not happening some Games & Thrones... it's very serous!

Trita Parsi on BP!

BREAKING: Iran REJECTS Trump Claim Of Talks, 5 Day Limited Ceasefire

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ndwv8F6qA1Q