UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

[firstlook]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
yeah..I'm not talking about "usefulness"..I'm talking about naivety.

.and I agree with what you have said here

"I'm not sure what we disagree about actually. I support much of what you say. "

Same difference. Naivety is something that is without use, is it not? Effectiveness, Usefulness, Naivety, Discernment, truth. These words ring of similar desires.

Anyways, I steer the conversation back to your end. I have alot of respect for Richard Dolan. His points about the real workings of corporate and military advantages in keeping this information secret is pretty on point. It is a bit old world thinking but it is true.

The thing that Richard Dolan is missing in his assessment of disclosure, is the idea of free will. He keeps scooting around the issue that this information would already be public if every single person on this planet lived up to the free will principle. This is the general tone that Wilcock and others are trying to influence into the corporate and authoritarian mentality of society. This is in fact the real change that needs to occur.

Richard details the logical reasoning of why factions operate the way they do. Wilcock and others point out that its no longer sustainable to keep interfering with the general free will of society.

Disclosure is not something that we want to MAKE happen, its something we want to LET happen.

Peace

[firstlook]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
not just naively screaming "disclosure NOW!"(as in,do it TODAY)

When have I represented this?

[firstlook]

Posted by firstlook (here)

Posted by shiva777 (here)
not just naively screaming "disclosure NOW!"(as in,do it TODAY)

When have I represented this?

If your talking about how to advise disclosure, that is an important point also.

How does one influence this area? Through economic reasoning? Environmental reasoning? ETC>>>

I mean the list goes on but the general idea that we are just shouting NOW! NOW! NOW! Is somewhat of an understatement. Turn on the News, and there is all the reasoning one needs to point out WHY this needs to happen.

As for the issue of HOW, thats something I'm interested to here your opinion on.

Peace

[Flasky]

Darksei "I would recommend reading the Cassiopaean Experiment material for a (very good imo) answer to that.
I can wait.. I have all the "disclosure" i need.
I also just dont trust (in advance) any planned disclosure efforts by governments; they'll never tell anything close to the "real" reason "they're here" (which they have been all along) willingly.
edit: have watched the video now, he's referring to the extra-dimensional beings (what we think of as aliens) not being what they claim"

Thank you.

Posted by shiva777 (here)
Flasky...area 51 ia ALL about negative ET agendas and interactions,Many in the govt and military have been conned and convinced by these ET's in to using technologies and experimentation that is aimed at enslaving ALL of humanity...even the illuminati they are working with...my feeling is they won't succeed but they have accomplished a lot already.

yeah...I suggest watching the Richard Dolan vids in this forum to get some idea of what a complex issue disclosure REALLY is...so many people are yelling "disclosure now!" and they have no idea of the complexities and very possible effects of it all...Dolan does,he has studied it for decades and it makes people like David Wilcock and many new-agers look like very naive about their cries for disclosure now...

Thank you. I still have a lot to read and learn. I am bit off my chair about negative ets using area 51 for their likings. I really had no idea it went to that extent. And I am assuming tall greys?

Wynderer:

to those who have never seen a 'UFO' -- one reason could be that most humans never look at the sky

I look at the sky every day and every night. As much as can. I actually 'want' to see them. Its them, they don't want to see me. Or well, be seen by me.

[ktlight]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

sightings increasing at a phenomenal rate.Benevolent Et's? BLUEBEAM? NEPHILIM RETURNING? PORTALS? NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

there are many sides and agendas behind these phenomena
https://youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo

I have never seen UFOs that have trails behind them, except when they have shapeshifted into aeroplanes and, even then, they throw the trail back once they have passed overhead into the distance, if you see what I mean. Therefore, I do not accept those recorded with trails, definitely not the ones with wobbly trails. The round spiralling ones I do not accept. The ones heading a billowing trail, I do not accept. I have been skywatching for many years.

I hope you understand.

[Arrowwind]

Could someone please tell me what Bluebeam means? I see this frequently but lack a defination.

Regarding disclousure... why do we think we need media and government acknowledgment?
If we are free will individuals and capable of knowing anything all, we need is contact, as these aliens
are presenting opportunity to us at greater and greater frequency of direct experience..

If you know God do you need government confirmation? Do you need a church to tell you reincarnation is your reality?
Do you need a black box operation to tell you we are all one?

Do you need a governemnt to tell you that love is the answer?

Please consider why so many think we need the government to tell us Allien intellegence is real?


When enough people have experiences then we will know through direct experience rather than some
dam talking head trying to manipulate and control us further though their censored interpetations.

From the military and government, we have already more than enough reputable whistleblowing.
We need direct experience and we are starting to get it in mass now

[AtlasFactor]

Posted by viking (here)
I'm sure we will know if its 'bluebeam' or not...

and if it is I invite it!!! ... then we can dismantle it and get on to the 'real thing'

viking

Bluebeam is a psy-op in my opinion. If that was their true plan, it would not have been so widely publicized. Perhaps an insurance policy, in case benevolent ETs make themselves known, so the public reacts in fear? (Like the v series.)

[shiva777]

I think you would learn alot more by studying Dolan's work a little more as he speaks about more aspects of disclosure than you imply he does...and he makes Wilcock's current naivety around disclosure very obvious

here's some interesting thoughts from Swerdlow

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nl3J7...mbedded#at=287

http://expansions.com/

[firstlook]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
I think you would learn alot more by studying Dolan's work a little more as he speaks about more aspects of disclosure than you imply he does...and he makes Wilcock's current naivety around disclosure very obvious

here's some interesting thoughts from Swerdlow

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nl3J7...mbedded#at=287

http://expansions.com/

What specific talking points would you like to discuss about Dolans work specifically related in contrast to Wilcock? I am more then willing to listen and reflect.

Peace

[Odah]

Well i think the "aliens" that our government is involved with are future humans from a post apocolyptic future.. that have been rolling out a plan to insure their past .. role out exactally how it rolled out.

Why would little grey aliens need our genetic mateial .. and how would they produce hybrids if they wern't geneticaly very similar.

now i think bluebeam is the false flag invasion. my feeling.. and this is in my hope to happen side. Is that the false flag invasion might be somethign the aliens can come in and break up or stop. It might be one of those points where if we are openly capable of going out their they can intervene.

[Davidallany]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1nJFbBGtV8o

A Russian declassified video showing a cylindrical ufo and a russian fighter.

[161803398]

Does anyone expect that the government, if they "disclose" anything is going to tell the TRUTH? hmmmm? Why would they suddenly start telling the truth when they have done nothing but LIE. They are habitual liars, money addicts and criminals. What I expect from disclosure is another pack of lies from the government, the media and more fear mongering and a lot of people getting upset again. So I do not look forward to any disclosure because its just going to be more crap and garbage and I'm tired of it.

[161803398]

http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-vanco...-22-2011-video

Here is a beautiful video of an orb over Victoria, B.C. at around 11.43 you can see what is inside. Don't know what it is really, although I have seen orbs myself this one acts quite different from the ones I have seen.

[firstlook]

Posted by 161803398 (here)
Does anyone expect that the government, if they "disclose" anything is going to tell the TRUTH? hmmmm? Why would they suddenly start telling the truth when they have done nothing but LIE. They are habitual liars, money addicts and criminals. What I expect from disclosure is another pack of lies from the government, the media and more fear mongering and a lot of people getting upset again. So I do not look forward to any disclosure because its just going to be more crap and garbage and I'm tired of it.

So my understanding of the scenario is that Governments will disclose when they have too. But I think you should keep one important point that trumps the Lies that always will come from an authority outside yourself.

DISCLOSURE IS A CONSCIOUS LEAP. (its the spiritual discovery of fire).

Whether a lie, or an embellishment, or a "problem", it opens up the conscious mind in more ways then one. It doesn't matter who opens the door because their will always be agenda's in this universe (unless you believe in utopia), just as long as the next paradigm in perception is presented.

Simply saying that people will use disclosure for their own means is highly understating the infinite impact that this topic brings. There is so much more to it then that.

[161803398]

Simply saying that people will use disclosure for their own means is highly understating the infinite impact that this topic brings. There is so much more to it then that.

Im saying that a criminal government will use it for their own means. That could be very harmful so I'd rather they kept their mouths shut. People can see what is going on for themselves.

[161803398]

I see very few politicians who have the faintest clue what they are doing except kissing ass. Whatever the politicians are told about UFOs will be told to them by lying, manipulative criminals. Consequently, I have no interest in hearing it.

I dont need someone to tell me what I can see for myself and I wouldn't trust any alien that had anything to do with the American government. That might be the only reason disclosure would be good -- so I would know which ones not to trust.

[firstlook]

Posted by 161803398 (here)

Simply saying that people will use disclosure for their own means is highly understating the infinite impact that this topic brings. There is so much more to it then that.

Im saying that a criminal government will use it for their own means. That could be very harmful so I'd rather they kept their mouths shut. People can see what is going on for themselves.

People in the world Live under governments, its just the way things are at the moment. For governments to say that intelligent life have/are visiting our planet, is more beneficial to human perception then how they will use it to control us. Its a chance for people to break free. If your not one who needs this chance, sometimes its hard to understand that people who accept authority need this shift.

Governments ARE AUTHORITY. It doesn't matter what they do because the premise is that they are in charge. So it doesn't matter if they reveal something if you still perceive their authority over you. WHY? because it doesn't change your perception of their authority, it simply opens up a new perception that they have to control over you. This is why they are doomed to control people. The more they reveal, the more they have to fight to control. It makes their intent more and more difficult to implement.

If your already a person who doesn't accept their authority, which despite belief, is INCREDIBLY RARE (almost everyone pays taxes of some form), then you have nothing to loose because your simply gaining more people to perceive that life is something that is throughout the universe.

Again, Authority (government) would only release this if they HAVE too. Consciously it creates the idea that life is not just one thing. It releases the view of an authority over you because it shows that their are infinite possibilities.

Trust me, this is something that cracks the door to individual freedom wide open. It will challenge peoples views. And one should never resist a challenge to expand your perceptions just because you fear what another will do.

Thats the reactionary state authority wants society in. It keeps people from interacting with anyone they feel is not "right".

So this doesn't mean you should sit around waiting for disclosure and asking for it. Nor does it mean you should deny it in any form. You have to simply allow the topic to reach its breaking point. Because the breaking point is something for those who need to be challenged to evolve. Not everyone just gets it. And the idea that peoples views shouldn't be challenged because they might make the wrong choice is no way to live.

Thats why I dont agree when Bob Dean, bless the man, says that people aren't ready. People will never be "Ready". Its only when they are challenged when they push themselves to either evolve of breakdown. This is life. You can only help the process.

The real issue that needs to be debated is HOW to most effectively introduce the topic. But I dont think their is ONE right answer because people are different. They accept different things and have different faults and strengths. It should be about supporting Disclosure in Lots of ways.

Peace

[Virilis]

Posted by ktlight (here)

Posted by shiva777 (here)
UFO mainstream media coverage MASS SIGHTINGS taking place

sightings increasing at a phenomenal rate.Benevolent Et's? BLUEBEAM? NEPHILIM RETURNING? PORTALS? NEW WORLD ORDER PROPAGANDA?

there are many sides and agendas behind these phenomena
https://youtube.com/watch?v=87PRVP4EQAo

I have never seen UFOs that have trails behind them, except when they have shapeshifted into aeroplanes and, even then, they throw the trail back once they have passed overhead into the distance, if you see what I mean. Therefore, I do not accept those recorded with trails, definitely not the ones with wobbly trails. The round spiralling ones I do not accept. The ones heading a billowing trail, I do not accept. I have been skywatching for many years.

I hope you understand.

Aren't trails an indication that a combustion process is occurring? I'm not an expert on the subject, but I thought that genuine UFO's don't use combustible propellants that leave a trail.

For example, the supposed Russian March 7 2011 UFO footage, may have been a deorbited Progress M-03M (35) burning up in the Earth's atmosphere.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S5ojFrnu7UU

"October 15, 2009 - Baikonur Cosmodrome.
A new Progress cargo resupply vehicle launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan to the International Space Station at 9:14 p.m. EDT Wednesday, Oct. 14. Less than nine minutes later, the ISS Progress 35 reached its preliminary orbit and deployed its solar arrays and navigational antennas.
It replaces the trash-filled Progress 34 which undocked on Sept. 21 and was destroyed on re-entry into Earths atmosphere over the Pacific on Sept. 27.
Progress 35 is set to dock to the station on Saturday, Oct. 17 at 9:41 p.m. with more than two tons of oxygen, air, propellant and other supplies and equipment aboard.
The station's 35th Progress unpiloted spacecraft brings to the orbiting laboratory 1,918 pounds of propellant, 110 pounds of oxygen and air, 926 pounds of water and 1,750 pounds of spare parts and supplies for the Expedition 21 crew.
Once the Expedition 21 crew members have unloaded the cargo, Progress 35 will be filled with trash and station discards. It will be undocked from the station and like its predecessors deorbited to burn in the Earth's atmosphere.
The Progress is similar in appearance and some design elements to the Soyuz spacecraft, which brings crew members to the station, serves as a lifeboat while they are there and returns them to Earth. The aft module, the instrumentation and propulsion module, is nearly identical.
But the second of the three Progress sections is a refueling module, and the third, uppermost as the Progress sits on the launch pad, is a cargo module. On the Soyuz, the descent module, where the crew is seated on launch and which returns them to Earth, is the middle module and the third is called the orbital module."



Anyway, I LOVED the video that Shiva posted. A nice collage of news footage segments underpinned by a very moving musical score. Thanks for creating this thread