Banning for misalignment

[andywight]

Hi Mr Steve_a

I hope you were referring to me as andywright, cus I'm right all the time?

[Flash]

Posted by steve_a (here)
Hi loveandgratitude,

I think you just described 99% of the people who enter in internet forums. We must all live under bridges waiting for the Billy Goats Gruff to pass by. I think if we don't do some of the things that you mentioned, like push for the truth, push a few respectable buttons, open subjects up for discussion, then what are we doing here? Are we just to sit here and accept everything that is told to us? That is very dangerous. Then here ceases to become a forum. The very meaning of a forum is a place where things are discussed and debated.

Mods don't need to recognize trolls, they just need to keep the discussions withing the forum guidelines, even if posts at times can be scathing, they aren't necessarily breaking forum guidelines. Unfortunately there are some Mods who are a little 'trigger happy' and ban threads based on assumption rather than based on infringed guidelines. Some close threads then check to see if the guidelines are broken, a little like that law that was passed, in the US I think it was, where people can be arrested because the powers that be think they might commit a crime. How does one measure the margen? What happened to one is innocent until proven guilty? Does that make sense?

I understand that there has been a new turnover of 'staff' and that each one is eager to show their service, but I know that eventually they will settle down. It's human nature. As for the forum in itself, only the future will answer that. Without trying to sound too much like a troll, things will get better.....

Best regards,

Steve

Point well taken Steve, their job is to keep the threads going smoothly. And for this, some behaviors may sometimes have to be curtailed. If it is going to be, better have some clear guidelines. They do not have to be precisely what loveandgratitude described. They have of course to be adapted. No?

[steve_a]

Hi andywight,

I just realized. I have a friend in the UK called Andy Wright and of course you are nearly always right. From now on I'll call you andynearlyalwayswright!

Best regards,

Steve

Posted by andywight (here)
Hi Mr Steve_a

I hope you were referring to me as andywright, cus I'm right all the time?

[andywight]

Posted by steve_a (here)
Hi andywight,

I just realized. I have a friend in the UK called Andy Wright and of course you are nearly always right. From now on I'll call you andynearlyalwayswright!

Best regards,

Steve

Posted by andywight (here)
Hi Mr Steve_a

I hope you were referring to me as andywright, cus I'm right all the time?

I always strive to please

[TimelessDimensions]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by TimelessDimensions (here)
Free Will prevails against all things but Unconditional Love..

That is an excellent observation as a stand alone comment.

Thanks, and I pulled it out of my own A-H

[steve_a]

Hi Flash,

I think there is a danger to over think what guidelines are necessary for an online forum. All forums have basically the same rules, ATS, Mists of Avalon, Godlikeproductions, Nexus etc.

The problem is when one starts to make up specific policy which leaves huge holes for interpretation. If I, for example, complain or show frustration, am I not keeping withing the realms of what the forum is wanting from it's members? Would I be sent on a holiday (great Mafia talk) ? Would I get taken out? Don't try and over think what the forum is about, otherwise that will stifle many from their thoughts and honest, candid opinions.

Best regards,

Steve

Posted by Flash (here)
Point well taken Steve, their job is to keep the threads going smoothly. And for this, some behaviors may sometimes have to be curtailed. If it is going to be, better have some clear guidelines. They do not have to be precisely what loveandgratitude described. They have of course to be adapted. No?

[Limor Wolf]

Hey you guys,about betting on someone's potential leave from the forum.please refrain from doing that,as a joke or not.i find this slightly out of place.

I would like to say that the general intent is that the forum will always sail on smooth waters,however as Anchor said earlier:" people here know when they are skating on thin ice".

~*&^ Peace and quiet and good energies to us all ~*&^

Limor

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Flash (here)
Finally, finally, a description behavior based of what a throll is. I have been asking and requesting it a few times. Thanks Loveandgratitude, now I know what it is being talked about. AND NOW, we can have a behavior based way of judging thread for their harmful content.

...

Now, the guidelines have to be drafted. For this, Bill and mods have to be involved and want to do it.

Yes - a good description (in my view.)

However - I am skeptical that changes in guidelines would help much.

As can be seen from some of the other replies, one man's troll is another man's truth seeker.

After a point, group norms are formed in a more intuitive, dynamically evolving, process.

[andywight]

Posted by Limor (here)
Hey you guys,about betting on someone's potential leave from the forum.please refrain from doing that,as a joke or not.i find this slightly out of place.

Just for the record, I have no problem with any members running a house on my purported banishment date!

In fact I find these posts very informative as to character of the individuals involved.

[Daft Ada]

This place is just falling appart isn't it, I have been away for some time having major surgery for bowel cancer, just before I left the forum was ticking over nicely with everyone mostly getting on and dealing with all the outside goings on in the world that we are all so concerned with.
After having half my guts ripped out I come back to find everyone at eachothers throats, people leaving and threats flying around all over the place. my god what's going on? Must be those damn chemtrails or something. How the hell are you lot going to turn this planet into the utopia we want it to be, and unite against any bad aliens and the PTB, if you can't even get on and live together in this virtual world in here I despair I really do

[ace]

Posted by Daft Ada (here)
This place is just falling appart isn't it, I have been away for some time having major surgery for bowel cancer, just before I left the forum was ticking over nicely with everyone mostly getting on and dealing with all the outside goings on in the world that we are all so concerned with.
After having half my guts ripped out I come back to find everyone at eachothers throats, people leaving and threats flying around all over the place. my god what's going on? Must be those damn chemtrails or something. How the hell are you lot going to turn this planet into the utopia we want it to be, and unite against any bad aliens and the PTB, if you can't even get on and live together in this virtual world in here I despair I really do

Wish you a speedy recovery.
Kind of put's things in to perspective.

Best wishes
Ace

[Daft Ada]

Thanks Ace mate

[ace]

Posted by Daft Ada (here)
Thanks Ace mate

You are more than welcome
You stay strong.

Ace

[andywight]

Posted by Limor (here)
I would like to say that the general intent is that the forum will always sail on a smooth waters,however as Anchor said earlier:" people here know when they are skating on thin ice".

Hmmm! if I was at all paranoid, which of course I'm not, I would almost think that Limor's last statement was meant for me.

I think a more apt statement to make, Limor please excuse my arrogance for wanting to edit you, would be that the whole of the "human race" right now is skating on thin ice!

[qbeac]

Posted by Daft Ada (here)
…I have been away for some time having major surgery for bowel cancer…

Hi Daft Ada, sorry to hear about your cancer surgery and I hope you recover from it soon.

And just as a brief off-topic comment (since the subject is important), I don’t know if you are aware of a German doctor called Dr. Hamer and his GNM (German New Medicine)...?

I have researched Dr. Hamer in depth and, imo, there is no doubt whatsoever that he has found the cause and the cure for cancer, as well as for just about other diseases, but the elite is suppressing it. I could explain this subject in detail, but perhaps in another thread specifically dedicated to it.

For now, just two very brief comments:

1) Cancer is not what they have told us it is at all. Conventional medicine has been totally distorted (and falsified) to hide the truth about cancer and its solution.

2) I posted the basic info about Dr. Hamer (links, videos, conferences, etc.) in this post:

Post #874, pag 44. Dr. Hamer finds the cure for cancer and the elite suppress it
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post92908

Btw, I have the telephone numbers of several Spanish doctors in Madrid (Spain) who are applying Dr. Hamer’s cure with great success, more than conventional medicine.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

I liked chico,
despite disagreeing with him
ALL THE TIME

and this being the internet, we need to take everything with more than a grain of salt
nobody knows nothin bout nobody cept thru the window of a few small words

[Karma Ninja]

I also enjoyed reading Chico's comments and disagreed with him most of the time too.

I wish he could have understood what was being asked of him and delivered his message in a more constructive way. The onus was on him to change his approach and he chose his fate by returning with such a deliberately negative and confrontational thread. The mods did what they had to do and it remains the majority of members who agree with the decision. One man's good is another man's evil and both are a part of our souls.

[buckminster fuller]

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)
I also enjoyed reading Chico's comments and disagreed with him most of the time too.

I wish he could have understood what was being asked of him and delivered his message in a more constructive way. The onus was on him to change his approach and he chose his fate by returning with such a deliberately negative and confrontational thread. The mods did what they had to do and it remains the majority of members who agree with the decision. One man's good is another man's evil and both are a part of our souls.

The pole results right now is :

Be rejected and banned:
13 votes 22.81%

Be accepted as a dissenting voice:
44 votes 77.19%

Based on the given reason why chico got banned, the results don't show that people agree with the decision made.
No good or evil needed to explain what happened really...
Unconditional love did show its conditional side.

Peace

[Karma Ninja]

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)
I also enjoyed reading Chico's comments and disagreed with him most of the time too.

I wish he could have understood what was being asked of him and delivered his message in a more constructive way. The onus was on him to change his approach and he chose his fate by returning with such a deliberately negative and confrontational thread. The mods did what they had to do and it remains the majority of members who agree with the decision. One man's good is another man's evil and both are a part of our souls.

The pole results right now is :

Be rejected and banned:
13 votes 22.81%

Be accepted as a dissenting voice:
44 votes 77.19%

Based on the given reason why chico got banned, the results don't show that people agree with the decision made.
No good or evil needed to explain what happened really...
Unconditional love did show its conditional side.

Peace

How about looking at it this way... 3,500+ members and only 57 cared at all to vote. That is a measly 1.6% of the membership. Not all who did vote disagreed with Chico's ban. I fail to see how you can jump to the conclusion that this poll shows anything other than the fact that so few cared about this dismissal that they never read or moved on immediately from the topic.

This thread shows that most members are not interested in this type of topic or the negativity and very few have bothered to offer their input into what is essentially a negative thread.

The good and evil I mention was in defense of Chico and I have previously offered my support for his right to post his opinion. I accept that Chico's intentions may have been good but his approach failed.

[sandy]

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)
I also enjoyed reading Chico's comments and disagreed with him most of the time too.

I wish he could have understood what was being asked of him and delivered his message in a more constructive way. The onus was on him to change his approach and he chose his fate by returning with such a deliberately negative and confrontational thread. The mods did what they had to do and it remains the majority of members who agree with the decision. One man's good is another man's evil and both are a part of our souls.

The pole results right now is :

Be rejected and banned:
13 votes 22.81%

Be accepted as a dissenting voice:
44 votes 77.19%

Based on the given reason why chico got banned, the results don't show that people agree with the decision made.
No good or evil needed to explain what happened really...
Unconditional love did show its conditional side.

Peace

How about looking at it this way... 3,500+ members and only 57 cared at all to vote. That is a measly 1.6% of the membership. Not all who did vote disagreed with Chico's ban. I fail to see how you can jump to the conclusion that this poll shows anything other than the fact that so few cared about this dismissal that they never read or moved on immediately from the topic.

This thread shows that most members are not interested in this type of topic or the negativity and very few have bothered to offer their input into what is essentially a negative thread.

The good and evil I mention was in defense of Chico and I have previously offered my support for his right to post his opinion. I accept that Chico's intentions may have been good but his approach failed.

Dear Karma Ninja,

Personally , everything you wrote makes me very sad. The world needs unity in diversity not division because of diversity.