Astronomers Say Earth Changed Position to its Axis

[Vitalux]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
It is to the point were the resolution of the distinctions become less effective, I guess you could say to the point where further distinctions no longer increase quality of communication. And hecklers are what they are, but some people just need more info rather than relying on deduction, etc, - so there's that as well, and of course everyone wants more evidence, and more story, that's just the nature of things. My 2 cents

True

Then we often are left with a paradox.
In order to gain insight into another persons awareness, we would have to review everything they have referenced to draw upon their conclusions.
That would be a bit challenging for example for Professor to have to prove to a 4 year old child that Santa Clause can not possibly fly around the world and visit all those homes in just one night.

Often in a forum such as this, ideas will get introduced as food for thought. The knowledge seeker can only view information as seeds being cast into the soil.
Unless the listener toils on his own, to till his understanding, then understanding of the harvest would prove unvaluable.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
It is to the point were the resolution of the distinctions become less effective, I guess you could say to the point where further distinctions no longer increase quality of communication. And hecklers are what they are, but some people just need more info rather than relying on deduction, etc, - so there's that as well, and of course everyone wants more evidence, and more story, that's just the nature of things. My 2 cents

True

Then we often are left with a paradox.
In order to gain insight into another persons awareness, we would have to review everything they have referenced to draw upon their conclusions.
That would be a bit challenging for example for Professor to have to prove to a 4 year old child that Santa Clause can not possibly fly around the world and visit all those homes in just one night.

Often in a forum such as this, ideas will get introduced as food for thought. The knowledge seeker can only view information as seeds being cast into the soil.
Unless the listener does toils on his own to till his understanding, the understanding of the harvest would prove invaluable.

Yes, that's why I think it's often better just viewed as art (communication in general); And the resolution of distinction will aid in determining how well the viewer is able to interpret the piece as the artist intended. That's another way of looking at it. The "harvest" analogy is also good.

[Ernie Nemeth]

but some people just need more info rather than relying on deduction

I rely on you Dedukshyn. lol

Sorry, couldn't resist

[Hughe]

I stopped buying mainstream sciences to understand global / cosmic effects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_declination

Radionavigation aids located on the ground, such as VORs, are also checked and updated to keep them aligned with magnetic north to allow pilots to use their magnetic compasses for accurate and reliable in-plane navigation.
The Earth’s magnetic north pole is slowly heading toward Russia, according to scientists, but one of the places being affected by this is Tampa International Airport (TIA) in Tampa, Florida. Airport officials closed its main runway in the second week of January 2011, to adjust the taxiway signs accounting for the magnetic pole shift, Tampa Bay Online reports. The runway designation change was called for by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to reflect a previous National Geographic News report which indicated that the magnetic pole was heading in Russia’s direction at almost 40 miles per year.

10 years will be 400 miles, 640 km difference of pole shift, 100 years make 6400km right there the radius of Earth.

I don't trust Wikipedia. But, they are pretty good at propagating mainstream scientific views, data so far.
It's very hard to access real scientific data cause all academic journals are paid subscription. Public libraries that I know only have shallow information. Internet is limited.

How the animals, i.e penguins that I like, navigate the global and survive on eons in such dramatic changes of nature? It's mind boggling.
Maybe the emperor penguins know how to read star formation while floating on the sea in the sky. Using magnetic navigation will lead them Africa or other region not antarctic.

There is shift of the rotational axis of Earth. There is crust shift of Earth. All these things are interconnected.

I'm sure they know something's going on big time. Would they disclose it? Who knows. I gonna observe stars often in the night.

[Vitalux]

Posted by Hughe (here)
I stopped buying mainstream sciences to understand global / cosmic effects.



10 years will be 400 miles, 640 km difference of pole shift, 100 years make 6400km right there the radius of Earth.

Hughe
The speed are actually increasing at an alarming rate. So the rate of 40 miles a year is now old news. By now it could have increased at a much higher rate. In the past 10 years the rate of speed has almost trippled.
Therefore at would be reasonable to assume that the speed could increase exponentially based on its recent history.
Therefore in less than 10 years it could be moving at a rate of several hundred miles per year.

Posted by Hughe (here)

I don't trust Wikipedia. But, they are pretty good at propagating mainstream scientific views, data so far.
It's very hard to access real scientific data cause all academic journals are paid subscription. Public libraries that I know only have shallow information. Internet is limited.

Good awareness. Most if not all the information is highly filtered. It is amazing how much of our foundations of what we understand are on faulty foundations.

Propaganda is ferce, however at least some information does fall through the cracks are is placed in areas where those that seek it can discover it.

Posted by Hughe (here)

How the animals, i.e penguins that I like, navigate the global and survive on eons in such dramatic changes of nature? It's mind boggling.
Maybe the emperor penguins know how to read star formation while floating on the sea in the sky. Using magnetic navigation will lead them Africa or other region not antarctic.

It sure is a mysterious world that we live in.
If you think about it, we only live less than 100 years on average.
Our typical history we are taught only goes back a short time.

The planet has been around for billions of years.
We are not equipped for the challenge of understanding too much.
Plus those that feed us the propaganda only help to confuse us even more.
Life appears to be a paradox

Posted by Hughe (here)
There is shift of the rotational axis of Earth. There is crust shift of Earth. All these things are interconnected.

I'm sure they know something's going on big time. Would they disclose it? Who knows. I gonna observe stars often in the night.

I suggest you read Immanuel Velikovsky POLE SHIFT Collection of reading material.

if you wish to send me a private message with your email addy I can email you some of his ebooks.

[Vitalux]

Posted by Jake (here)
On average, the Earth Plates move somewhere Between 2-7 centimeters per year. The 'wobble' of our earth offsets the true calender by,, who knows how much. As the sun rises and sets over countless ions of time,,, I think it is safe to say that 8 centimeters is absolutely negligible. Earth changes are cyclical.

We are told a lot of things by the media and various scientific institutions.
Do you believe that it has ever happened historically that those same media and scientific institutions have ever lied to the populations knowingly?

For example, Many mainstream scientific institution teach that carbon gas ia the main causes of global warming. However there is an overwhelming number of scientist that call that teaching a load of hogwash with no scientific evidence to even support it in the first place.
However we understand that Science, in the hands of corporations can be used as a religion.


The end point is we can not be too sure about anything we are being told about our planet....including the 8 centimeters that is absolutely negligible.

The fact that the sun is rising two days early in Greenland should indicate the planet has a different position relative to our Sun.

[Carmody]

Posted by gary-arsenault (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
On average, the Earth Plates move somewhere Between 2-7 centimeters per year. The 'wobble' of our earth offsets the true calender by,, who knows how much. As the sun rises and sets over countless ions of time,,, I think it is safe to say that 8 centimeters is absolutely negligible. Earth changes are cyclical.

We are told a lot of things by the media and various scientific institutions.
Do you believe that it has ever happened historically that those same media and scientific institutions have ever lied to the populations knowingly?

For example, Many mainstream scientific institution teach that carbon gas ia the main causes of global warming. However there is an overwhelming number of scientist that call that teaching a load of hogwash with no scientific evidence to even support it in the first place.
However we understand that Science, in the hands of corporations can be used as a religion.

The end point is we can not be too sure about anything we are being told about our planet....including the 8 centimeters that is absolutely negligible.

The fact that the sun is rising two days early in Greenland should indicate the planet has a different position relative to our Sun.

The problem with that analysis or the situation in general.... is that this group, for example, would not fail to note any changes in the sky:

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthrea...reads.php?Cat=

[spiritguide]

I prefer to look at the earth as a gyroscope....balanced on counter rotation. The magnetic field is a product of this counter rotation. IMHO
If you really want to get into the magnetic field study research MAD (magnetic anomoly display) gear used to track submarines in the 60"s by the U.S. Navy.
A lot of book knowledge has some valid science in it but the whole picture is never shown. Even some of our natural sciences are subject to filtering before being dispersed to the educational community. This thread has proved a point IMHO that everybody has a perception but nobody really knows. The earth will do what it needs to do to exist.

Hope my opinion doesn't bore you!

[Vitalux]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The problem with that analysis or the situation in general.... is that this group, for example, would not fail to note any changes in the sky:

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthrea...reads.php?Cat=

Not that I am trying to insult anyone's intelligence but I doubt very much if a group like that would report much about this anomaly in the beginning. Even if noted I doubt if mainstream media would pick it up and echo it.
Until then, anyone finding odd anomalies and mentioning them would only be ridiculed and heckled.

History always repeats itself.

Plus very few amateur astronomers would really possess the understanding to recognize it in the first place on a small scale. I've been studying astronomy for 30 years and still struggle to understand that complex movements between the position of the stars relative to the Earth.

Plus compound that with most humans are so unaware and stumbling with comprehension that even with airplanes spraying huge tracks of the skies with chemtrails they still fail to recognize it or admit that it is real. Chem trailing has been going on for over 12 years worldwide!


Yes (shaking my head in bewilderment)

Therefore I disagree with you. Most would be too stupid to recognize the earth tilting.
Simply because they would NOT WANT TO SEE IT.

[Vitalux]

Something I just wanted to add to this thread to help explain my position.

Over the years I have come to be more questionable concerning our real history of geological events with regards to the history we are taught both in school and that by the mass media, as well as the scientific community at large.

For example;

If I went around advocating that there was an invisible, jealous, often impulsive, irrational man named GOD that lived in the clouds and he created the whole universe in 7 days which follows the simple ideology of Christianity folks would think I was completely normal and many would agree with my perception of reality.

If I was a 5 year old child sitting in school, and I believed that a tooth fair existed, Santa Clause as well as the Easter Bunny, my fellow peers would think me completely normal and tend to agree with my reality.

If I believed from both main-stream media as well as our respective science that two airplanes could fly into three buildings in New York City on September 11th and completely topple and complete demolish THREE buildings I would be respected by my fellow peers and most would tend to agree with my reality.


If I believed that NASA landed a man on the moon back in 1969 and agreed with the media and respected science that it was done, my fellow peers would think me completely normal and tend to agree with my reality.


However .....many here would agree that often ....what we are TOLD by the Mass Media, and main stream science is often false and downright incorrect. I could go on with example after example but my point is to try and convince others that we live in a world in which we are purposefully being feed an ocean of propaganda of false information.

Most of the information that I try and research on this topic in the media tends to be completely contradictory from the statements that I have made. I can fully appreciate that others doing research would encounter the same degree of disbelief as other members have as well.

The only thing that I can say with some degree of certainty is that the history that we are being fed, is missing a great deal of the facts as well as a great deal of our actual history.

Anyone wishing to gain some insight into the historical past, I strongly urge you to take me up on my offer to read any books from the author Immanuel Velikovsky.

I very well might be completely insane and have no grasp on reality, however, the version of reality I view from the standpoint of the media, and the world around me is equally insane.




Thank you all for reading this and giving it your consideration.

[Logan]

Responding to the original poster (THANK YOU FOR THIS THREAD)

My family in Iceland has noticed very distinct climate changes over the past 10-20 years. Heck I was there in 1992 and again in 97 and they were experiencing 65 degree days (Farenheit) which is virtually unheard of there. Iceland isn't a tundra/blizzard 365 days a year but the summer typically doesn't get that warm.

Usually 50 degrees is the norm for summertime. My uncle is in town now from Reykjavik and I was asking him about this without letting on too much about my interest in the pole shift. I just wanted objective information from him on what they're experiencing there.

I had seen that YouTube by NancyRedStar about natives up north noticing climatic changes, and found it very telling.

One last note. In 1997 when I flew over Greenland it was ICE and SNOW. Ok? Rivers of ice, glaciers, the whole 9 yards. My dad flew over last summer and said Greenland is Brownland. He's not one to exagerrate, he's been flying over to Iceland since the 60's and he says it's completely barren and brown now when you see Greenland.

I suppose that's all I have to add to the discussion right now but thank you for this post and I will be doing my own research on this as time allows.

[Vitalux]

Thank you Logan

Logan if you ever wish to read any ebooks by Immanuel Velikovsky please send me a message with an email address and I will email you back any ebooks that I have of Immanuel Velikovsky.

I will do this for any avolon member that asks.

[Sidney]

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
Has anyone actualy take then the time to go out and look at the stars, and draw what you see?


Last night i came to the realisation that something isnt "right"




I have one group of stars that moves say south over the period of the night (say 7pm its directly above me, then it slowly moves south out of view by 2-3am) yet another set of stars (nowhere near as bright, but still visible) seem to move east over the same period of time.


Tried getting a photo of the sky but it cant capture the light of the stars. Was going to make it a project on my next set of days off to take a picture of the area im looking (during the day) and draw an outline of the buildings to use them as a view reference. Then with a pen draw in where the stars are, and the time. Once an hour, to see whats actualy going on.


Has anyone else noticed their stars moving funny - and would it have anything to do with earth moving axis?

I am an avid skywatcher/stargazer. And I have absolutely noticed a difference, especially over this past summer. Normally, what I am used to in past years is the stars moving east to west, just like the sun. (but you have to remember its the earth that is moving not the stars. (are the stars moving too?)

Anyway, this summer, there is a definite change because there seemed to be a "flow" of Northeast to southwest movement, rather than the direct east to west, and it is a very visible difference. This to me is a PHYSICAL shift. If it was purely magnetic, it would not look any different.

[kersley]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
if it wasn't a physical pole shift, then how could the sun be rising too far north ? the magnetic poles affect the physical poles. otherwise the sun should rise in the exact same location.

My thoughts exactly.... How can this be?

[Logan]

It's funny I was just texting to my father about this stuff after posting in the thread and he might apply for membership here at Avalon.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Actually I feel as though this transition is going to be quite graceful.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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You're confusing a magnetic pole shift with a physical pole shift.

With a magnetic pole shift -- currently in process, and this is well-known and well-understood -- there's no physical movement.

I don't think anyone is confusing anything with anything on this thread. A magnetic pole shift if quite different from an axis shift. It would not cause the sun to rise two days early in the north and we are quite aware of the difference. Most of the videos address a shift in the axis, a change in the position of the sun and stars, if indeed these news reporters have their story straight.

[<8>]

Hi Gary...

I found this to be a good read..

The Magnetic North Pole

During the sixteenth century, mariners believed that somewhere in the North was a magnetic mountain that was the source of attraction for their compasses. Sir William Gilbert, physician to Queen Elizabeth I, suggested that the Earth itself was a giant magnet and that the force that directed the compass originated inside the Earth. Using a model of the Earth made from lodestone (a naturally occurring magnetic rock), he also showed that there should be two points on the Earth where a magnetized needle would stand vertically — the North and South Magnetic Poles.

Initially, people believed that the North Magnetic Pole coincided with the north geographic pole. Magnetic observations made by explorers in subsequent decades showed that this was not true, and by the early nineteenth century, the accumulated observations proved that the magnetic pole must be somewhere in Arctic Canada.

In 1831, at Cape Adelaide on the west coast of Boothia Peninsula, James Clark Ross measured a dip of 89 degrees 59 minutes. For all practical purposes, he had reached the North Magnetic Pole.

The next attempt to reach the North Magnetic Pole was made some 70 years later by the Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen. In 1903, he left Norway on his famous voyage through the Northwest Passage. His primary goal was to set up a temporary magnetic observatory in the Arctic and to relocate the North Magnetic Pole.

A pole position was next determined by Canadian government scientists shortly after World War II. Paul Serson and Jack Clark, of the Dominion Observatory, measured a dip of 89 degrees 56 minutes at Allen Lake on Prince of Wales Island. This, in conjunction with other observations made in the vicinity, showed that the pole had moved some 250 kilometers northwest since the time of Amundsen's observations.

Observations by Canadian government scientists in 1962, 1973, 1984, and most recently in 1994, showed that the general northwesterly movement of the pole is continuing, and that during this century it has moved on average 10 kilometers per year.

It is important to realize that when we talk about the location of the pole, we are referring to an average position. The pole wanders daily in a roughly elliptical path around this average position, and may frequently be as much as 80 kilometers away from this position when the Earth's magnetic field is disturbed.

We now know that the cause of the Earth's magnetic field is much more complex; we believe that it is produced by electrical currents that originate in the hot, liquid, outer core of the Earth. As a simple analogy, consider an electromagnet, in which we can produce a strong magnetic field by passing an electric current through a coil of wire.

The position of the North Magnetic Pole is strongly influenced by the natural conditions variation in its vicinity. For example, if the dip is 90 degrees at a given point this year, that point will be the North Magnetic Pole, by definition. However, because of secular variation, the dip at that point will change to 89 degrees 58 minutes in about two years, so it will no longer be the pole. However, at some nearby point, the dip will have increased to 90 degrees, and that point will have become the pole. In this manner, the pole slowly moves across the Arctic.

In April and May of 1994, Larry Newitt of the Geological Survey of Canada and Charles Barton of the Australian Geological Survey Organization conducted a survey to determine the average position of the North Magnetic Pole at that time. Working out of Resolute Bay, Northwest Territories, they established a temporary magnetic observatory on Lougheed Island, close to the predicted position of the pole. This allowed them to monitor the short-term fluctuations of the magnetic field that result in the daily motion of the pole.

In addition, the strength and direction of the magnetic field were measured at this site, and at seven additional sites in the region. From these observations, the point at which the average dip was 90 degrees could be determined.

They determined that the average position of the North Magnetic Pole in 1994 was located on the Noice Peninsula, southwest Ellef Ringnes Island, at 78.3 degrees North, 104.0 minutes West. The yearly motion of the pole has increased, and is now 15 kilometers per year.

The reasons that the pole generates so much interest have changed over the years. For Ross, the search for the pole was a byproduct of scientific nationalism. For Amundsen, it offered a good excuse to sail through the Northwest Passage. Today, we are interested in the pole as a tool for magnetic cartography.

Earth's magnetic field is disturbed

This really dont explain why its moving and why it seem to speed up.
I do have a wild theory myself that we as people on earh are indirect causing this by our own emotions we are sending out.
But thats just me...

Thanks....

[Muzz]

Hi folks

Found this


Source: Watch on Vimeo

Drysdale et al (2009) published a study in the prestigious journal Science this past August that argues the Late Pleistocene (approximately 141,000 years ago) glacial period came to an end because of changes to the obliquity, or tilt, of the earth.

Arguably, the most bizarre, fascinating and perhaps groundbreaking of all observations we've heard from Inuit is that they believe our world has tilted on its axis and this contributes to climate change. When Zacharias and I first heard this, we thought it was very strange, yet elders in all the communities we've worked in - Pangnirtung, Iqaluit, Resolute Bay and Igloolik - all believe this phenomenon to be true.
link

[Herbert]

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt
The Earth's axial tilt varies between 22.1° and 24.5°, with a 41,000 year period, and at present, the tilt is decreasing. In addition to this steady decrease there are much smaller short term (18.6 years) variations, known as nutation, mainly due to the changing plane of the moon's orbit. This can shift the Earth's axial tilt by plus or minus 0.005 degree.
Muzz you mentioned the Inuit believing the Earth was tilting on its axis. Could this be construed as it is straitening on its axis? I'm guessing the change in where the sun rises is a gradual straitening from the 22 degrees tilt, which is what Earth is meant to do in this time period, according to Mayan Calendar, isn't it?

There's no science I'm aware of to explain this speculation but if the mayan calendar ends and it is based on the moon then would that not mean the moon must go? I don't feel a flip end to end is coming but I do feel a straightening which is basically Earth finding centre and maybe speculatively, the moon has to go for that to happen. No idea how that would come about but maybe our failed sun has something to do with it. Interesting times - loving it.