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    More than ten years ago people from the other planets told us (to me and my friends) that the earth is adopting a new kind of movement which produces wobbling which is less noticeable in the north pole and more in the Antarctica region because there is supposedly an anomaly in a melted core of the earth, the iron liquid core moved slightly to the south and accumulating out of center so the change of the mass structure produced this additional movement which if can cause a part of earth to separate and form another satellite. Imagine the consequences, I can't. This an lot more, so for me an axis shift is nothing new and I am aware of the gradual changes of the last decades. And just as a comment, this is not a channeled info, nor was read from the death goat guts, it came out through eye to eye conversations.

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    More than ten years ago people from the other planets told us (to me and my friends) that the earth is adopting a new kind of movement which produces wobbling which is less noticeable in the north pole and more in the Antarctica region because there is supposedly an anomaly in a melted core of the earth, the iron liquid core moved slightly to the south and accumulating out of center so the change of the mass structure produced this additional movement which if can cause a part of earth to separate and form another satellite. Imagine the consequences, I can't. This an lot more, so for me an axis shift is nothing new and I am aware of the gradual changes of the last decades. And just as a comment, this is not a channeled info, nor was read from the death goat guts, it came out through eye to eye conversations.
    Marduk and Tiamat? Sounds worthy of considerations ..... Ancient Babalonian texts have been translated in such a way as to describe a similar event as to what you are saying. The great battle between Marduk and Tiamat as translated by Robert M Alford came to mind after reading your post. Just a thought
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    Hi Vibrations,
    I'm intrigued. Can you elaborate on your eye to eye contact with these beings?
    Would like to know more.

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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
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    [...]
    For example, Hancock cites “huge numbers of warm-blooded, temperate adapted mammal species were instantly frozen, and then their bodies preserved in the permafrost [...] the bulk of the destruction seems to have taken place during the eleventh millennium BC“ (Hancock, 1995, p. 479). The assumption is, if temperate climate regions were suddenly thrust into polar conditions, large numbers of animals, unable to adapt and/or flee, would perish.
    [...]
    There is one very BIG problem with these "Flash Frozen" mastodonts: even if a crustal slip/shift was instantaneous, the vegetation inside the stomachs of these mastodonts wouldn't have been flash frozen but in various states of decay. Something else happened then and I don't what (the equivalent of being drown in liquid nitrogen) but it definitely was significant!
    Hmmm ... I wonder how long it takes to freeze a mastodon at x temperature ... I wish I had a mastodon freezing chart ;-) That might give us a clue ...
    Indeed!

    Closest is being thrown in a pool of liquid nitrogen, because that's a huge, warm mass to freeze instantly for stomach vegetation to be preserved.

    I think (to be verified) that it's in the order of less than 60 seconds for vegetables....
    You could turn this into a fun thread to speculate!

    What if a stellar body, massive enough to disrupt our atmosphere, came flying by the earth and dragged our planet into 'outer space'. An event like this could pull 'space' into our atmosphere temporarily or drag us into 'space' temporarily until the planet settled and our atmosphere was reformed. If I recall the temperature of space is close to absolute zero which is the point at which molecules cease to move any longer. This could create the flash freezing scenario but the other devastation such an event would cause, might not be accounted for..or is it? It seemed like a reasonable thought...

    I know this is off topic to the original thread but such an event could even cause a physical shift of the earths poles... Ooooh! This is juicy! ;0)

    All kidding aside, I felt I would add my theory...
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    You could turn this into a fun thread to speculate!

    What if a stellar body, massive enough to disrupt our atmosphere, came flying by the earth and dragged our planet into 'outer space'. An event like this could pull 'space' into our atmosphere temporarily or drag us into 'space' temporarily until the planet settled and our atmosphere was reformed. If I recall the temperature of space is close to absolute zero which is the point at which molecules cease to move any longer. This could create the flash freezing scenario but the other devastation such an event would cause, might not be accounted for..or is it? It seemed like a reasonable thought...

    I know this is off topic to the original thread but such an event could even cause a physical shift of the earths poles... Ooooh! This is juicy! ;0)

    All kidding aside, I felt I would add my theory...

    History has shown that this is just the case that has happened in the past.

    Historians such as Immanuel Velikovsky wrote several books based on historical and physical geological evidence to support that at fairly regular cycles cosmic upheavals do occur with our planet.



    With no doubt whatsoever, these past cosmic upheavals do cause mass extinctions on a planetary scale and cause such devastation that humanity is almost wiped out of existence.

    Some of these cycles of destruction are worse than others.
    The last cycle was about 1500 years BCE ( 3600 years ago). That statement you just read is a fact.


    One thing apparent in the historical records is that the precursor to our planet encountering a shifting of the poles (flipping of our planet) is that some celestial body from outside our solar system appears to enter into our neighborhood and cause at times cause catastrophic upheaval of our own planet or neighboring planets.

    Studying the recent behavior of global governments tends to suggest that preparations are being done in expectation of a very large scale mass disaster.

    - USA FEMA camps, millions of coffins being stored,
    - underground bunkers
    - under ground seed banks in arctic regions
    - odd agreements between nations allowing policing on domestic soils by foreign armies.

    The list goes on and on.....how long before most can smell the coffee?

    Now we are seeing at least some evidence that our magnetic poles are on the move at a historically alarming rate...
    Now we are seeing at least some degree of evidence to support that are Planet is starting to shift from it's axis and stars are moving out of alignment.

    Yes

    Time to start waking up and figuring out some survival plans if indeed history is due to repeat itself.

    Here is another documentary that might be related.
    At least make some minimal attempt to prepare.


    I truly am glad that I found this group.
    Myself I have no desire to survive this event, if it is to occur however, I just wanted to express my love for you all and I am sure we shall link up on the other side...which I call ..back home.
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    Deep discussions going on in this thread, and I'm humbled and privledged to be a part of it or at least politely view from the outside.

    vibrations I am highly interested in anything else you have to share on your experiences. I have seen a UFO once as a child, I'd like to post the story about that in UFOlogy section. I've kept that memory crystal clear since it happened.

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    Deep discussions going on in this thread, and I'm humbled and privileged to be a part of it or at least politely view from the outside.

    vibrations I am highly interested in anything else you have to share on your experiences. I have seen a UFO once as a child, I'd like to post the story about that in UFOlogy section. I've kept that memory crystal clear since it happened.


    Thanks
    Actually the most wonderful part about people studying this thread, is that there are a lot of keys in this thread to bring about "understanding" which in part can help others reach an epiphany about Nibiru or whatever it is that cycles around every 3600 years or so and knocks this planet back into the dark ages.

    1/12 Global Warming - What the Government isn't telling you 1/12
    This is a good series to watch

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    Compliments to all! Interesting discussion here on this thread. Definately something to know about and to verify.

    Here's a graph of the North Pole wobble..



    http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/images/pole.png
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    Quote Posted by MorningSong (here)
    Compliments to all! Interesting discussion here on this thread. Definately something to know about and to verify.

    Here's a graph of the North Pole wobble..



    http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/images/pole.png
    Just on the basis of reading this graph and nothing else, this wobble seems to be an annual effect - and if anything the earth is steadier than last year. Each of this year's date points are inside of where they were 12 months earlier.

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    Getting even steadier with this observed data since 2003 to Sept. 1st, 2011. Extrapolated (next 180 days) positions in red:

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    Worth noticing is that these recent wobbles are less than one second of arc in amplitude and nowhere in these plots of observed data from VLBI (Very Long Baseline Interferometry, using distant quasars as references) can jolts (i.e. EQ) be detected.

    The position of the rotation axis can be detected to +/- 0.2 milliarcsecond by the VLBI on a daily basis.
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    Quote Posted by Karma Ninja (here)




    You could turn this into a fun thread to speculate!

    What if a stellar body, massive enough to disrupt our atmosphere, came flying by the earth and dragged our planet into 'outer space'. An event like this could pull 'space' into our atmosphere temporarily or drag us into 'space' temporarily until the planet settled and our atmosphere was reformed. If I recall the temperature of space is close to absolute zero which is the point at which molecules cease to move any longer. This could create the flash freezing scenario but the other devastation such an event would cause, might not be accounted for..or is it? It seemed like a reasonable thought...

    I know this is off topic to the original thread but such an event could even cause a physical shift of the earths poles... Ooooh! This is juicy! ;0)

    All kidding aside, I felt I would add my theory...

    History has shown that this is just the case that has happened in the past.

    Historians such as Immanuel Velikovsky wrote several books based on historical and physical geological evidence to support that at fairly regular cycles cosmic upheavals do occur with our planet.



    With no doubt whatsoever, these past cosmic upheavals do cause mass extinctions on a planetary scale and cause such devastation that humanity is almost wiped out of existence.

    Some of these cycles of destruction are worse than others.
    The last cycle was about 1500 years BCE ( 3600 years ago). That statement you just read is a fact.


    One thing apparent in the historical records is that the precursor to our planet encountering a shifting of the poles (flipping of our planet) is that some celestial body from outside our solar system appears to enter into our neighborhood and cause at times cause catastrophic upheaval of our own planet or neighboring planets.

    Studying the recent behavior of global governments tends to suggest that preparations are being done in expectation of a very large scale mass disaster.

    - USA FEMA camps, millions of coffins being stored,
    - underground bunkers
    - under ground seed banks in arctic regions
    - odd agreements between nations allowing policing on domestic soils by foreign armies.

    The list goes on and on.....how long before most can smell the coffee?

    Now we are seeing at least some evidence that our magnetic poles are on the move at a historically alarming rate...
    Now we are seeing at least some degree of evidence to support that are Planet is starting to shift from it's axis and stars are moving out of alignment.

    Yes

    Time to start waking up and figuring out some survival plans if indeed history is due to repeat itself.

    Here is another documentary that might be related.
    At least make some minimal attempt to prepare.


    I truly am glad that I found this group.
    Myself I have no desire to survive this event, if it is to occur however, I just wanted to express my love for you all and I am sure we shall link up on the other side...which I call ..back home.
    I've heard this video before. As fara as I can see, he says nothing that mightn't just be signs of well-laid plans eveolving over decades as opposed to some real event.

    Just one anomaly. He is talking about the remnants of nuclear bombs in the Arabian peninsula and elsewhere. What on earth does this have to do with planet X, I'd like to know (apart from featuring in Sitchin's work)??

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    Noseying around at the link I posted earlier, I found the following reports. I do not yet comprehend the significance of the terminology to expound on their analysis but I will look into it, as I invite all others to as well:

    Quote December 2004 : According to theoretical modeling of Dahlen (1973) and Harvard seismic moment tensor solution, the rotation axis would have undergo 0.5-1 milliarcsecond shift towards Pacific in a few minutes because of the Sumatra Earthquake (computation done by Ch. Bizouard). Because of the weak time resolution of Earth orientation parameters, it cannot be distinguished easily from other geophysical influence, which cause pole motion with the rate 1-3 mas/day. At the date of 1/1/2005 GPS determination of the polar motion did not allow us to prove any Earthquake effect. Wait and see.

    February 2005 :
    Daniel Gambis comments on Sumatra Earthquake
    (http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/...matra.en.shtml)


    The official ILRS combined EOP solution (avaible on our WEB/FTP site) derived by ASI from 5 individual solutions (ASI, DGFI, GFZ, JCET and NSGF) is replacing the individual SLR solutions in the EOP-PC analyses. According to this series, there is a noticable jump in y-component of the polar motion for the day of the Sumatra Earthquake.


    March 2010 : The Chile Earthquake of February 27th, 2010 of magnitude 8.8 has caused no DETECTABLE effect on the rotation pole and rotation rate. Independently of Earthquake, rotation pole moves of some mm up to several cm per day because of continuous atmospheric, oceanic and hydrologic mass transport. Till now the effect of Earthquake remains a theoretical matter. According to the seismic models, the recent Chile event will have the effect of disturbing the rotation pole by 8 cm in some months, small amount in comparison with the path a few meters it will achieve during this period. By handling atmospheric, oceanic and hydrologic data, this path will be modelled with a mean error of 50 cm, so that the tiny seismic effect will probably remain undiscernible. The Chile earthquake, would also have decrease the length of day, as high as 2 microseconds, that is to say below the current error on this quantity (10 microseconds), and much lower than the daily variation sometimes coming to 50 microseconds, and mainly caused by winds.

    Alone a mega-seism, such that of Chile in 1960, could cause a visible effect with the modern geodetic techniques.

    March 11, 2011 (updated on March 16): Our first estimates of the megaquake of Honshu, Nothern Japan Coast , at 5:46 UT on polar motion. According to the preliminary US Geological Survey and Harvard University seismic parameters used with Dahlen's dislocation model (1973), the principal axis of inertia with highest moment of inertia (also called figure axis, closed to symetry axis) was displaced by about 15 cm at the earth surface in the direction 135° East (value confirmed by R. Gross, JPL, with another model). The effect is larger than for Chili (February 2010) and Sumatra (Dec. 2004) earthquakes (see below corresponding news). This could be observed as a step in the so-called excitation function, deduced from the determination of pole coordinates by space geodesy. But such a step could be hardly discernible from common hydro-meteorological processes. The oceanic angular momentum still lacking, only next months will tell us wether something is detectable.





    C. Bizouard, S. Lambert, D. Gambis, J. Y. Richard, O. Becker. Service International de la Rotation de la Terre & Centre d'Analyse IVS
    http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/index.php?index=news
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    Quote Posted by MorningSong (here)
    Noseying around ...
    [...]
    http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/index.php?index=news
    Morningsong, a big THANK YOU for your noseying around and uncovering this site!

    Here is from another author from the same site that may explain it a bit better:

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    Earthquake of Sumatra: did the axis of the Earth tremble?


    The recent earthquake of magnitude 9.3 which took place on December 26, 2004 close to Sumatra is the second stronger in the world since 1900 and is even stronger than the one which occurred in Alaska in 1964 (mag 9.2). Could it have a perceptible effect in the rotation of the Earth?
    The expert researchers in Paris Observatory, pertaining to IERS (International Earth Rotation Service) show that the effect is not discernible.
    Theoretical bases: Relations between seismicity and variations in the rotation of the Earth

    A seismic event, apart from the effect of jolt related to the earthquake involves a redistribution of mass in the earth. That modifies the earth tensor of inertia which theoretically can affect the movement of the axis of rotation of the earth compared to the crust called the "movement of the pole" or "polhodie". There can also be a weak effect in the earth rotation speed according to the conservation of angular momentum. Theoretical calculations show that the greatest earthquakes can involve co-seismic variations of a few microseconds of time in the duration of the day and of 0.1 mas to 1 mas (a few millimetres to a few centimetres) in the movement of the pole (Smylie and Manshina, 1971; Chao and Gross, 1987; Varga, 1987). However these amplitudes are completely masked by those associated with transport of atmospheric and oceanic masses, which are one or two orders of magnitude higher. According to recent studies on the diffusion of post-seismic constraints (Soldati and Spada 1999), in spite of the weak signal due to seisms, it can however exist a phenomenon of amplification due to the viscosity of the asthenosphere, which could involve visible effects in Earth rotation.
    Figure 1 : The axis of rotation of the earth is not fixed compared to the earth's crust. Projected on a plane tangent to the pole, it describes "the movement of the pole" or "Polhodie" (here represented by the red dotted curve) contained in a square of 20 meters size. The principal components of the motion are a term of period 432 days, the term of Chandler ( see here a schematic representation of the Chandler oscillation) attributed to a free mode of the earth as well as a term of 1 year period due to transport of atmospheric masses. A possible jump due to the earthquake of last 26 December (instant inside of the pink circle) is currently not separable from atmospheric signals.
    Click on the image to enlarge it

    Observations: What can be seen in the observations of IERS?

    There exist several data bases concerning the major earthquakes in particular the catalogue of U.S. Geological Survey. From several parameters (magnitude, localization, seismic moment..) characterizing the event one can from a model make an estimate of the effect of an event in the variations of the rotation of the earth. According to various calculations made independently from these parameters by R. Gross (JPL), B Chao (NASA) and by C Bizouard (Paris Observatory), the effect in the movement of the pole should be of a few centimetres in the polhodie and of a few microseconds of time in the duration of the day, which is not very likely to be detected seen the current precision of the observations. The Earth rotation Center of the International Earth Rotation Service (IERS) at the Observatory of Paris has in particular the role of follow-up in quasi-real time of the variations of the earth motion by using the observations resulting from various space techniques like the GPS, interferometry on extragalactic radio sources as well as laser telemetry on satellites and the Moon. The fine analyses of the variations observed in the "polhodie" (see figure 1) did not show a discernible effect.
    References
    Chao B.F.and Gross R.S., 1987: Changes in the Earth.s rotation and low degree gravitational field induced by earthquakes. Geophys J. Roy.Astron. Soc., 91, 569-596.
    Smylie D.E. and Manshina L., 1971: The elasticity theory of dislocation in real Earth models and changes in the rotation of the Earth, Geophys. J. Roy. Astron. Soc., 23, 329-354.
    Soldati G. and Spada G., 1999: Large earthquakes and Earth rotation: the role of mantle relaxation. Geophys. Res. Lett., 26 , 911-914.
    Varga P., 1987: Influence of the elastic stress accumulation on the Earth.s polar position. Proc. of the int. Symp. .Figure and dynamics of the Earth, Moon and Planets., Prague, 257-269
    From reading the French versions, it comes out that 5 MAS (MilliArcSecond, ) are equivalent to 15 cm at Earth's surface. Hence 1 MAS (that's 0.001'') is 3 cm deviation at the poles Earth's surface.

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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quote Posted by gary-arsenault (here)
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    Geophysicist Kenneth Hudnut, who works for the U.S. Geological Survey, told CNN that the quake moved part of Japan's land mass by nearly 2.5 meters.

    Experts say that the huge shake, caused by a shift in the tectonic plates deep underwater, also threw the earth off its axis point by at least 8 centimeters[/I].[/CENTER]
    That's the trouble with sensationalistic news (CNN that got it from Reuters... big red flag right there) when trying to make something "real." The magnitude of the EQ kept increasing by the hour in an attempt to explain the size of the tsunami when the quake itself caused less physical damages than the Kobe EQ (other threads on this forum).

    Moreover, if even that were true, that the axis was thrown off by 8 cm, did they mention if it came back to position? (try with a top or a gyroscope)
    I'm going to butt into this e-conversation at this point. I have more to post, but I will start off with this little tidbit. We have to balance our scientific perceptions with viewpoints that are less than scientific. I will offer one such example, which I realize is solitary in nature.

    Few people are aware that Charles Richter retired in 1970 and shortly thereafter, the Richter scale was reduced by one full point. This is a huge change in the Richter scale as it allows for another level which is ten times more powerful than the previous level of ten. Is it possible the USGS or U.S. Government believed the previous upper limit to the Richter scale could possibly be exceeded after the 1970’s? Or is it possible they didn’t want to explain why so many future earthquakes would be registering in the 8.0+ and 9.0+ ranges? Is it possible the U.S. government and scientists were seeing a pattern, know something was coming, or just taking precaution?

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    In simple terms from: http://geology.about.com/cs/quakemags/a/aa060798.htm
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    Earthquake Magnitudes
    Measuring the Big One

    By Andrew Alden, About.com Guide




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    These days, an earthquake happens and right away it is on the news, including its magnitude. Instant earthquake magnitudes seem as routine an achievement as reporting the temperature, but they're the fruit of generations of scientific work.

    Why Earthquakes Are Hard to Measure
    Earthquakes are very hard to measure on a standard scale of size. The problem is like finding one number for the quality of a baseball pitcher. You can start with the pitcher's win-loss record, but there are more things to consider: earned-run average, strikeouts and walks, career longevity and so on. Baseball statisticians tinker with indexes that weigh these factors (for more, visit the About Baseball Guide).

    Earthquakes are easily as complicated as pitchers. They are fast or slow. Some are gentle, others are violent. They're even right-handed or left-handed. They are oriented different ways—horizontal, vertical, or in between (see Faults in a Nutshell). They occur in different geologic settings, deep within continents or out in the ocean. Yet somehow we want a single meaningful number for ranking the world's earthquakes. The goal has always been to figure out the total amount of energy a quake releases, because that tells us profound things about the dynamics of the Earth's interior.

    Richter's First Scale
    The pioneering seismologist Charles Richter started in the 1930s by simplifying everything he could think of. He chose one standard instrument, a Wood-Anderson seismograph, used only nearby earthquakes in Southern California, and took only one piece of data—the distance A in millimeters that the seismograph needle moved. He worked up a simple adjustment factor B to allow for near versus distant quakes, and that was the first Richter scale of local magnitude ML:
    ML = log A + B

    A graphical version of his scale is reproduced on the Caltech archives site.
    You'll notice that ML really measures the size of earthquake waves, not an earthquake's total energy, but it was a start. This scale worked fairly well as far as it went, which was for small and moderate earthquakes in Southern California. Over the next 20 years Richter and many other workers extended the scale to newer seismometers, different regions, and different kinds of seismic waves.

    Later "Richter Scales"
    Soon enough Richter's original scale was abandoned, but the public and the press still use the phrase "Richter magnitude." Seismologists used to mind, but not any more.
    Today seismic events may be measured based on body waves or surface waves (these are explained in Earthquakes in a Nutshell). The formulas differ but they yield the same numbers for moderate earthquakes.

    Body-wave magnitude is
    mb = log(A/T) + Q(D,h)
    where A is the ground motion (in microns), T is the wave's period (in seconds), and Q(D,h) is a correction factor that depends on distance to the quake's epicenter D (in degrees) and focal depth h (in kilometers).

    Surface-wave magnitude is
    Ms = log(A/T) + 1.66 logD + 3.30
    mb uses relatively short seismic waves with a 1-second period, so to it every quake source that is larger than a few wavelengths looks the same. That corresponds to a magnitude of about 6.5. Ms uses 20-second waves and can handle larger sources, but it too saturates around magnitude 8. That's OK for most purposes because magnitude-8 or great events happen only about once a year on average for the whole planet. But within their limits, these two scales are a reliable gauge of the actual energy that earthquakes release.

    The biggest earthquake whose magnitude we know was in 1960, in the Pacific right off central Chile on May 22. Back then, it was said to be magnitude 8.5, but today we say it was 9.5. What happened in the meantime was that Tom Hanks and Hiroo Kanamori came up with a better magnitude scale in 1979.

    This moment magnitude, Mw, is not based on seismometer readings at all but on the total energy released in a quake, the seismic moment Mo (in dyne-centimeters):
    Mw = 2/3 log(Mo) - 10.7

    This scale therefore does not saturate. Moment magnitude can match anything the Earth can throw at us. The formula for Mw is such that below magnitude 8 it matches Ms and below magnitude 6 it matches mb, which is close enough to Richter's old ML. So keep calling it the Richter scale if you like—it's the scale Richter would have made if he could.

    The U.S. Geological Survey's Henry Spall interviewed Charles Richter in 1980 about "his" scale. It makes lively reading.

    PS: Earthquakes on Earth simply can't get bigger than around Mw = 9.5. A piece of rock can store up only so much strain energy before it ruptures, so the size of a quake depends strictly on how much rock—how many kilometers of fault length—can rupture at once. The Chile Trench, where the 1960 quake occurred, is the longest straight fault in the world. The only way to get more energy is with giant landslides or asteroid impacts.

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    We are here on this Earth to experience and to learn. We did not come to this Earth at this time to simply experience 7 billion souls being crushed to death or thrown off the Earth and washed away into the abyss. There have been souls even recently who have unfortunately been in the wrong area in the wrong timeframe and have succumbed to this type of horrible tragedy. Some of these souls had advanced warning but were unable to leave. Some of these souls were caught unaware due to natural and unnatural forces. Some of these souls chose to remain for reasons unknown. There will be more of these tragedies as time progresses.

    We are here for specific reasons one of which is to experience transformation or upliftment or ascension or cosmic evolution or the raising of vibrational frequency, which ever term you prefer. We are here to experience this on a personal soul level but also to help this Earth as it goes through this very same process.

    The close to mass hysteria concerning the 2012 end-of-the-world, has a definite connection to historical global cataclysms from our pasts. We are not here to experience those again. We are here, partially, to become free from the fear(s). And in order to gain a broad perspective of what is currently occurring and what will be occurring into our future, we must be open to accepting viewpoints and data and logic from several different simultaneous sources. We can learn from the past and the present and the future, all at once if we are willing partners. History, science, ancient civilizations and off-planet civilizations all/each have an enormously important roll to play in this complicated drama. We learn from readings what has transpired in ancient times. We learn and collect data from scientific findings that add great bearing to current and former interpretations. We absolutely must learn from the ancient civilizations currently on Earth who know and understand their global regions more fully than anyone. And, we must also learn from off-planet civilizations who have been our undetected neighbors for many thousands of years and who are now here in mass numbers to help us to help ourselves through these transitions.

    The information from one of these off-planet sources (there exist many many sources) stems from a human here on Earth who goes by the name of Tolec. Tolec is an Earthly representative for the Andromeda Council. Tolec's web site is www.andromedacouncil.com . Alfred Webre has done two audio interviews with Tolec, one of which is linked below. The first interview can be found at the Transcript link below.

    The information that Tolec has shared with us is massive in implication. It is for the most part, good news, not bad. Yes, there will be some severe Earth balancing-related upsets. These upsets are due to a combination of effects from the enormous universal and galactic cycles that are coming to a close all during the same time frame. He states that the Andromeda Council has informed him that the crust of the Earth is shifting and will continue to SLOWLY and GENTLY shift until March of 2013. He states that this crustal rotation will be a 90 degree shift so that when completed, the East/West will become the new North/South. Looking at the face of a clock, this rotation will go from the 3 counter clockwise, to the 12. He states that the magnetic disturbances or agitating energies will be largely prevented by the advanced technologies from the Andromedan biospheres in space.

    Something else very positive that he stated is that Nibiru (if it actually still exists) will not in any way shape or form present a problem. In fact, he states that Nibiru will never enter our Solar System. Instead, it will travel high above our Solar System on its merry way...along with its inhabitants. Elenin is ushering in Tekoma, the brown dwarf, which will become our second sun. Tekoma will park itself between Venus (closer to) and the Earth and Tekoma will bring with it a new planet, Nihohia which has a small moon and 3rd dimensional inhabitants within...who are extremely peaceful and are humans.

    Yes, Tolec is alternative and so are many other off-planet sources. But then, so are we.




    Andromeda Council Update on Elenin, brown dwarf, Nibiru, earth changes, 4D Earth

    http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-...anges-4d-earth

    Transcript:

    Andromeda Council Update on Elenin, brown dwarf, Nibiru, earth changes, 4D Earth

    Alfred Lambremont Webre, Seattle Exopolitics Examiner
    September 11, 2011

    In his ExopoliticsTV interview, Tolec states that any earth changes during the period 2012-13 are apt to be triggered by galactic energy fields. The Andromeda Council “biosphere” large spacecraft, Tolec states, will be generating a “force field” to minimize Earth Changes during the 2012-13 period, as well as during the remainder of 2011.

    In the FAQ, Tolec states,

    15.) “What might be the primary cause of any possible Earth changes that are being openly discussed by so many Earth people; having to do with 2012 & beyond?

    ANSWER: “Most of the possible Earth changes being discussed projected to happen from 2012 – throughout all of 2013 – would be caused by highly charged magnetic energies at the core of a black hole at the center of the galactic equatorial plane that Earth’s solar system is about to cross. This black hole, and the band of higher faster frequency energy in the galactic equatorial plane zone, both are projected to cause magnetic disturbances resulting in the literal increased & agitated vibration of planet Earth. This band of energy vibrates at a 4th dimensional frequency that Earth & its solar system is in the process of just now entering, and will vibrate at for the foreseeable future at least a few thousand years.

    “Again, keep in mind, as the web site indicates, there are a number of Andromeda Council flagged biosphere’s which are projecting “force fields” around the planet Earth to minimize as much as possible the agitating energy of the black hole, and the heightened vibration of the 4th dimension. It remains to be seen how severe, or not, the agitation to planet Earth will be.

    “But there will be change to the planet. In order for Earth to evolve it must adjust, and it must become balanced again. In order for Earth to become balanced, the shifting of the earth’s crust must happen to put the planet back into alignment.”

    http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-...anges-4d-earth


    Shift in Earth's Crust

    Even though Earth’s crust is quite thick, it’s also brittle. And..., once the Earth’s crust is torn, it has much more mobility. It generally takes a lot of force from underneath the crust in order to open up new fissures for lava to flow or to raise mountains more than a few inches or feet in any single event.


    http://www.timeline2012.net/prepare/...shift-in-crust


    Pole Shift (geographic)

    This is the theory that an internal or external force acts upon Earth to reposition the arctic poles anywhere from their current position by a few degree up to 180 degrees.

    Ancient references and recent theories into geographic pole shifts indicate that the most likely cause for such events are the result of external cosmic forces acting on Earth. Some of the theories into these external cosmic forces include: the Sun, comets, PlanetX or Niburu, and more recently, passing of the galactic equator. It’s theoretically possible that any one of these cosmic forces could cause a geographic pole shift on Earth.

    http://www.timeline2012.net/prepare/...ift-geographic

    Pole Shift (magnetic)

    Scientists have now concluded that Earth’s “magnet” poles do flip 180 degrees in what’s commonly called a “pole shift”.

    http://www.timeline2012.net/prepare/...shift-magnetic
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    Getting even steadier with this observed data since 2003 to Sept. 1st, 2011. Extrapolated (next 180 days) positions in red:

    Aaaargh...Its the ever decreasing circle..This is going to be painful and we will disappear. OK its an old joke but...

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    Default Re: Astronomers Say Earth Changed Position to its Axis

    Quote Posted by gary-arsenault (here)
    Quote Posted by Jake (here)
    On average, the Earth Plates move somewhere Between 2-7 centimeters per year. The 'wobble' of our earth offsets the true calender by,, who knows how much. As the sun rises and sets over countless ions of time,,, I think it is safe to say that 8 centimeters is absolutely negligible. Earth changes are cyclical.
    We are told a lot of things by the media and various scientific institutions.
    Do you believe that it has ever happened historically that those same media and scientific institutions have ever lied to the populations knowingly?

    For example, Many mainstream scientific institution teach that carbon gas ia the main causes of global warming. However there is an overwhelming number of scientist that call that teaching a load of hogwash with no scientific evidence to even support it in the first place.
    However we understand that Science, in the hands of corporations can be used as a religion.


    The end point is we can not be too sure about anything we are being told about our planet....including the 8 centimeters that is absolutely negligible.

    The fact that the sun is rising two days early in Greenland should indicate the planet has a different position relative to our Sun.
    So we all believe that our clocks (calendar) are unaffected by what is going on? Can anyone prove that now is actually at 9.15pm EDT Sept 25th 2011?

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