Ron Paul (2010-2011)

[Unified Serenity]

I'm equally disgusted with the message some try to claim regarding RP's positions. Twisting of words and messages given in simple truth is rather disgusting.

Posted by alienHunter (here)

Posted by jimmer (here)
pure b.s.
I know, let's make friends with Iran.
wishful thinking can be dangerous.
isolationism has always backfired.

Innocent people are routinely sent to the death chamber based on bad information, yet, the feeling is 'oh well, no system is perfect, a little collateral damage is to be expected.' You're right...total bullsh*t.

I am quickly becoming disgusted with what I have found here...

[alienHunter]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I'm equally disgusted with the message some try to claim regarding RP's positions. Twisting of words and messages given in simple truth is rather disgusting.

Posted by alienHunter (here)

Posted by jimmer (here)
pure b.s.
I know, let's make friends with Iran.
wishful thinking can be dangerous.
isolationism has always backfired.

Innocent people are routinely sent to the death chamber based on bad information, yet, the feeling is 'oh well, no system is perfect, a little collateral damage is to be expected.' You're right...total bullsh*t.

I am quickly becoming disgusted with what I have found here...

The most valuable skill we have is to be able to read between the lines.

[Arrowwind]

Well Ron Paul is moving up in opinion amongst a lot of people


https://youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=V_eqYB7h85c

[norman]

Hey, let's not be isolationist!........let's get in our bombers and go meet and greet people...sheesh.....

[Arrowwind]

The Great What IF Speech

https://youtube.com/watch?v=

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rn8jNdnGqYQ

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[Arrowwind]

Ron Paul challenges Obama and the UN regarding UN resolutions and Nato to start wars

https://youtube.com/watch?v==relmfu

[Arrowwind]

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[risveglio]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mhIASI6ONtw

[NancyV]

Ron Paul, in my opinion, is right in what he says in many way and the What If video is inspiring, but:

What if he is a visionary, ahead of his time?
What if he is ignoring human nature and the almost certain probability that human nature will not change?
What if the US becomes more isolationist, who will step into that void? China or Russia most likely.
What if the world then comes under the domination of China or Russia when the US becomes a lesser power?
What if their human rights violations are even worse than the human rights violations of the US?

I consider Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas to be dangerous. In an ideal world we could all just get along, but that is not going to happen any time soon. Reality often sucks and in the case of world politics, wars, etc. it sucks big time. Radical Islam has been engaged in wars of conquest for a couple of thousand years. Communism has been engaged in conquest and oppression for not quite 200 years. Fascism is equally dangerous. We ignore these realities at our peril. Anyone who thinks these dangers don't exist or can be ignored and avoided needs to study history.

Our aspirations towards peace and love will only work on an individual level. We can attempt to influence others, BUT we will not change human nature. Humans (mostly men) are a warlike species who have engaged in wars of conquest and subjugation of others as far back as we have records of history.

[alienHunter]

Posted by NancyV (here)
Ron Paul, in my opinion, is right in what he says in many way and the What If video is inspiring, but:

What if he is a visionary, ahead of his time?
What if he is ignoring human nature and the almost certain probability that human nature will not change?
What if the US becomes more isolationist, who will step into that void? China or Russia most likely.
What if the world then comes under the domination of China or Russia when the US becomes a lesser power?
What if their human rights violations are even worse than the human rights violations of the US?

I consider Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas to be dangerous. In an ideal world we could all just get along, but that is not going to happen any time soon. Reality often sucks and in the case of world politics, wars, etc. it sucks big time. Radical Islam has been engaged in wars of conquest for a couple of thousand years. Communism has been engaged in conquest and oppression for not quite 200 years. Fascism is equally dangerous. We ignore these realities at our peril. Anyone who thinks these dangers don't exist or can be ignored and avoided needs to study history.

Our aspirations towards peace and love will only work on an individual level. We can attempt to influence others, BUT we will not change human nature. Humans (mostly men) are a warlike species who have engaged in wars of conquest and subjugation of others as far back as we have records of history.

I agree, but that's not my real problem. My problem is that Paul's vision applies only to those who are at the same spiritual, emotional, physical, and philosophical level as he. He is a very, very ugly human being.

[risveglio]

Posted by NancyV (here)
Ron Paul, in my opinion, is right in what he says in many way and the What If video is inspiring, but:

What if he is a visionary, ahead of his time?
What if he is ignoring human nature and the almost certain probability that human nature will not change?
What if the US becomes more isolationist, who will step into that void? China or Russia most likely.
What if the world then comes under the domination of China or Russia when the US becomes a lesser power?
What if their human rights violations are even worse than the human rights violations of the US?

I consider Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas to be dangerous. In an ideal world we could all just get along, but that is not going to happen any time soon. Reality often sucks and in the case of world politics, wars, etc. it sucks big time. Radical Islam has been engaged in wars of conquest for a couple of thousand years. Communism has been engaged in conquest and oppression for not quite 200 years. Fascism is equally dangerous. We ignore these realities at our peril. Anyone who thinks these dangers don't exist or can be ignored and avoided needs to study history.

Our aspirations towards peace and love will only work on an individual level. We can attempt to influence others, BUT we will not change human nature. Humans (mostly men) are a warlike species who have engaged in wars of conquest and subjugation of others as far back as we have records of history.

I think the US foreign policy over the last 50+ years is far more dangerous.

Posted by alienHunter (here)
I agree, but that's not my real problem. My problem is that Paul's vision applies only to those who are at the same spiritual, emotional, physical, and philosophical level as he. He is a very, very ugly human being.

There is absolutely no truth in this statement, but you still believe the left/right bull****.

[Jeffrey]

Thanks Unified Serenity! War is not the answer! Fighting fire with fire, really? Okay, my country verses your country. We are the good guys and they are the bad guys (and vice versa for the opposition ). Now, if we kill more of them, we win. If they kill more of us, they win. Yeah, let's go! That's like smokey the bear telling everyone "Only you can prevent forest fires ... and here is your tool, it's a lighter". Uhhh... duh? Wait, wait, I have another one.. Hey, these bees will sting us if we don't go in and kick their hive! Yeah, death to the bees!

[alienHunter]

"There is absolutely no truth in this statement, but you still believe the left/right bull****."

Truthfully, I'm a quick study in some regards. I've considered everything that I've read and heard and arrived back at my original conclusion. But I will say this, my life would not change under a Paul regime...yours might and I highly suspect you would not like the result. I don't wish harm or unhappiness on anyone so all I would add is "Be Careful what you ask for!"

[alienHunter]

Posted by Vivek (here)
Thanks Unified Serenity! War is not the answer! Fighting fire with fire, really? Okay, my country verses your country. We are the good guys and they are the bad guys (and vice versa for the opposition ). Now, if we kill more of them, we win. If they kill more of us, they win. Yeah, let's go! That's like smokey the bear telling everyone "Only you can prevent forest fires ... and here is your tool, it's a lighter". Uhhh... duh? Wait, wait, I have another one.. Hey, these bees will sting us if we don't go in a kick their hive! Death to the bees!

Paul is no less the warmonger...his armament is very different, though. He calls it the free market. I have to get out of here.

[risveglio]

Posted by alienHunter (here)
Truthfully, I'm a quick study in some regards. I've considered everything that I've read and heard and arrived back at my original conclusion. But I will say this, my life would not change under a Paul regime...yours might and I highly suspect you would not like the result. I don't wish harm or unhappiness on anyone so all I would add is "Be Careful what you ask for!"

Ah Alien, you are an American citizen so your world would change drastically. The QE infinity would end if James Grant was running the Fed and if nothing else was done about our monetary policy, at least you would be able to buy for $1 in 2013, the same amount of product as in 2017. That has not been true for any other 4 year period in a long time. This alone would help the poor drastically.

I ask for freedom. Let me succeed and fail on my own merit with help of my family and community. But not because some entity with the threat of force can take from others or choose who wins or not. Maybe sometime in the future we can do this without government at all, but now, I would rather try with less than more.

[risveglio]

Posted by alienHunter (here)
Paul is no less the warmonger...his armament is very different, though. He calls it the free market. I have to get out of here.

Ah there it is, Kruschchev was right, “Your children will live under communism.”

The free market is not evil, it is not war, it is not something we have tried in over a century. Free Markets are true freedom and it is the lack of the "free market" that has destroyed our economy and most in the world.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by alienHunter (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
Ron Paul, in my opinion, is right in what he says in many way and the What If video is inspiring, but:

What if he is a visionary, ahead of his time?
What if he is ignoring human nature and the almost certain probability that human nature will not change?
What if the US becomes more isolationist, who will step into that void? China or Russia most likely.
What if the world then comes under the domination of China or Russia when the US becomes a lesser power?
What if their human rights violations are even worse than the human rights violations of the US?

I consider Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas to be dangerous. In an ideal world we could all just get along, but that is not going to happen any time soon. Reality often sucks and in the case of world politics, wars, etc. it sucks big time. Radical Islam has been engaged in wars of conquest for a couple of thousand years. Communism has been engaged in conquest and oppression for not quite 200 years. Fascism is equally dangerous. We ignore these realities at our peril. Anyone who thinks these dangers don't exist or can be ignored and avoided needs to study history.

Our aspirations towards peace and love will only work on an individual level. We can attempt to influence others, BUT we will not change human nature. Humans (mostly men) are a warlike species who have engaged in wars of conquest and subjugation of others as far back as we have records of history.

I agree, but that's not my real problem. My problem is that Paul's vision applies only to those who are at the same spiritual, emotional, physical, and philosophical level as he. He is a very, very ugly human being.

I absolutely have no idea where you get your ideas from to say this about RP. Please site some video where RP says anything that shows this mentality.

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