Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Ishtar]

Posted by 777 (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Ria (here)
IYou have applied down to earth facts, I was wondering about what you thought about the tenth planet as it some times referred to, having been depicted in the Sumerian reliefs?

Could you show me where in the Sumerian texts there is reference to a 10th planet?

Nibiru is very much an Earthly city, and is never described as otherwise. Sitchin lied about this, and people have been making it all up ever since.

Also ET means extra-terrestrial or extra to terra, which is Latin for Earth. But the spirits are not from outside Earth or from another galaxy extra to Earth. They are here, and always have been, with us on Earth but in another dimension which is timeless. So it would be more correct to refer to them as extra-dimensionals or EDs.

Again, firmly agree with this. I would also venture these ED's are extensions of our own personal Soul collectives which I percieve to be massive. Timeless as you say, every dimension happening simultaneously, with every shard of Soul personification supporting and dipping into the 3d when required. We seem to be singing from at least the same hymn book. Not that this matters! Just an observation.

Yes. I would go further... and I don't know if you can follow me this far.

We have been trained to look for gods and God coming from the skies because we've had our birthright stolen from us. We need to stop looking to the skies for our saviours and look to ourselves because we ARE the gods we've been looking for. And that's what "they" don't want us to know, because when we know that and start acting from that place, their game will be well and truly up.

That's the ultimate teaching of the spirits and they long for the day that we realise it.

[Ria]

I am sorry I do not have a picture of the relief at hand, it is a relief showing our planetary system with a full compliment of planets plus one. By the way I am not calling it Nibiru. There is much debate about what is or is not a planet. I was interested to know if you or your colleges had gone into this.
Slightly off topic I consider potentially there to be planets that we do not see vibrating at a higher frequency.
I agree with your extra-dimensionls or EDs, other dimension which is timeless, as well as your perspective. All so I accept we have been visited by beings from other galaxies, star systems which seeded this planet with plants, animals, genetic material, etc, as well as the earth, being a creator being in her own right.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Ria (here)
I am sorry I do not have a picture of the relief at hand, it is a relief showing our planetary system with a full compliment of planets plus one. By the way I am not calling it Nibiru. There is much debate about what is or is not a planet. I was interested to know if you or your colleges had gone into this.
Slightly off topic I consider potentially there to be planets that we do not see vibrating at a higher frequency.
I agree with your extra-dimensionls or EDs, other dimension which is timeless, as well as your perspective. All so I accept we have been visited by beings from other galaxies, star systems which seeded this planet with plants, animals, genetic material, etc, as well as the earth, being a creator being in her own right.

I've had a quick look through my pictures of Sumerian reliefs and can only find one showing nine planets. Until relatively recently, it was considered that there were nine planets until some boffin decided that Pluto wasn't one, so now there are officially only eight. However, maybe the Sumerians thought differently and considered Pluto a planet too, making nine as in this Sumerian relief below. Of course, they wouldn't have called it Pluto, as it was named such by the Greeks (or possibly the Romans? Ah no, got that wrong completely. Just looked it up. )

The name Pluto was proposed by Venetia Burney (1918–2009), an eleven-year-old schoolgirl in Oxford, England.[32] Venetia was interested in classical mythology as well as astronomy, and considered the name, a name for the god of the underworld, appropriate for such a presumably dark and cold world. She suggested it in a conversation with her grandfather Falconer Madan, a former librarian at the University of Oxford's Bodleian Library. Madan passed the name to Professor Herbert Hall Turner, who then cabled it to colleagues in the United States.[33]).

From Wiki Pluto page.

Sitchin doesn't think Pluto was Nibiru. He calls it Gaga... I'm not sure where he gets that from.

There are two planets outside the solar system, but they could be anything.

[kersley]

What a fantastic thesis.. well put together..
I must say I agree with you Ishtar. after reading the book of Enoch everything points to spirits.

[Ishtar]

Thanks kersley,

I've always thought that that Enochian battle in the heavens between the forces of 'light' and 'dark' was an allegory for what we now see represented in the yin yang symbol, the ongoing flowing dance of the opposites. In other words, non-dualism.

[Unified Serenity]

Well, unless we are being lied to, something big is perturbing the outer planets, and it's not some small rock they as they used to think. I like what you have said, and have often believed that most ET's are really ED's and can appear at will in our dimension. Having experienced many ED's in 3d astral work and just ordinary events I think you are probably correct that most if not all alien or other entity encounters are ED coming into our dimension in various shapes and forms some for positive and some for negative reasons.

My only caution though is that we do know earth has a history of scheduled cataclisms caused by something and we are apparently in the time period for another event. How soon though is always the question. I am not particularly concerned about a natural event on Dec. 21, 2012. I am concerned about a man made crisis to help usher in the new religion of Ascension.

[Ishtar]

Well, the Earth goes through natural cycles, some are warming and some are cooling, so we get Ice Ages from time to time, and then huge floods when the glaciers melt again. And sometimes, a comet hits us. But none of this need to have anything to do with ETs or Ascensionism, or any other religion, none of which will protect us from that kind of extinction event if one is due. Ask the dinosaurs!

[modwiz]

Tonight! At five O'clock interview with a dinosaur. Topic: Climate change through the ages.

Also an astrophysicist will explain what is perturbing Uranus.

[Ria]

Yes that is the relief, thanks. If you look between 2&3 o'clock of the sun representation you see a small planet behind a larger one.[there is also a whitish dot at between 1&2 o'clock I do not know if this is a blemish or light reflecting on a bump/small planet] Ten planets plus Sun [not including whitish think. we live in exciting times.

[Ishtar]

I see two extra planets, Ria, outside of the solar system... making 11, ths one shows it better




But as I said, the extra two could be just that, planets outside our solar system, and as I'm not a cosmologist, I don't know what they are ...perhaps one could come on and tell Ria?

For myself, I'm satisfied that they're not Nibiru, which is the topic of this thread.

[Ria]

Thanks again, what constitutes a planet is an on going debate.
On you tube there have been pictures of what looks like two suns.
There have been photos of the blue kachina seen[of the hopi prophesies]
What may be a planet/astroid pluto, chiron still have a strong effect on the individual as well as the collective.
To add to the mix, Jupiter is considered to be a sun in the making.
All most all star systems are binary, two suns.

[blufire]

I don’t know Ishtar . . . . . your explanation seems too neat and tidy and with current new age “type” beliefs mixed in. I have read volumes of work (and not only sitchin) that delves very deep into our solar system and how it relates to our ancient history. My research and gut tells me you are leaving out many highly intelligent and relevant facts and knowledge concerning information on nibiru and/or the other planets in and outside our system.

. . . . . . example in the Sumerian relief you have posted (#18) shows actually 13 planets or celestial bodies. You said you see only 11 . . . . look at the top almost in the shadow and you will see the other two. You said you are not a cosmologist (neither am I) but that you are satisfied those other “planets” are not nibiru . . . . without knowing what they are or where they “went” or how they disappeared, then you cannot discount completely that they may be.

As far as your experience as a shaman and the knowledge you gain from this “state” I will not address. . . . except to say. Until we as humans can intelligently and succinctly understand this physical world we inhabit how can we even begin to decipher information or experiences from another realm or dimension or do you have this dimension figured out?

[Ishtar]

Posted by blufire (here)
I don’t know Ishtar . . . . . your explanation seems too neat and tidy and with current new age “type” beliefs mixed in. I have read volumes of work (and not only sitchin) that delves very deep into our solar system and how it relates to our ancient history. My research and gut tells me you are leaving out many highly intelligent and relevant facts and knowledge concerning information on nibiru and/or the other planets in and outside our system.

As mentioned in the opening post, Nibiru in the Sumerian texts is not a planet but a city on Earth. In this thread, we are just concerning ourself with Nibiru and what's known about it. There is no point in considering all the other trillions of billions of planets in the universe, because the Sumerians did not regard Nibiru as a planet, according to their texts.

Could you tell us what these other facts are that you've found in your research that I'm leaving out?

Posted by blufire (here)
As far as your experience as a shaman and the knowledge you gain from this “state” I will not address. . . . except to say. Until we as humans can intelligently and succinctly understand this physical world we inhabit how can we even begin to decipher information or experiences from another realm or dimension or do you have this dimension figured out?

Yes, I can answer that. We cannot understand this physical world we inhabit in isolation from the understanding that everything is made from energy and energy is consciousness that operates multi-dimensionally and holographically.

Our brain synapses which make up our cognitive processes start to build from birth, and they are built of thoughts and according to how we think. So if we are taught to think a certain way, our brains take that shape. We have been fed a very limited story about who we are and therefore, our perception is extremely limited about who we are and what this world is.

Perhaps you know the story of the Elephant and the Blind Men? It's a story my guru liked to tell, and this is it in poem form.




THE BLIND MEN AND THE ELEPHANT by John Godfrey Saxe.

A HINDOO FABLE.

i.

IT was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

ii.

The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me!—but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

iii.

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried:"Ho!—what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 't is mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

iv.

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:

"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

v.

The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he;
"'T is clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

vi.

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

vii.

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

viii.

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

moral.

So, oft in theologic wars
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!


If we want to understand who we are and what this physical world is really all about, we need to open our eyes ~ through enlightenment, which can be achieved with the help of the intradimensional spirits through the shamanic journey. This is how our earliest ancestors lived.

[Unified Serenity]

Great illustration of the concept of seeking the truth vs proclaiming the truth from faulty eyes. The point I wish to bring to this, in that while I see much merit and truth in your words, I also see a need for caution. I have learned much on my spirit journeys, and in some spiritual paths there is the one called the trickster. Just because someone comes to us in a spirit journey does not make them a being of truth and enlightenment. I have met many in mental institutions stuck in the astral plane after running for truth, finding spirits only to be left in the gray or driven mad by the attachments they made.

I am fully convinced that many a murderer who loudly proclaims their innocense was the victim of a walk in from the spirit realm whom they unwittingly gave their body over to or were overtaken by, and did the crime through that vehicle. Some come back and when caught have no memory but the evidence is clear it was they who did it, but who was operating the "car"? Some come back and I have watched the entity within, spoken with them, and then watched them recede and the person come back only to be in the hell of never leaving this new prison.

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
I don’t know Ishtar . . . . . your explanation seems too neat and tidy and with current new age “type” beliefs mixed in. I have read volumes of work (and not only sitchin) that delves very deep into our solar system and how it relates to our ancient history. My research and gut tells me you are leaving out many highly intelligent and relevant facts and knowledge concerning information on nibiru and/or the other planets in and outside our system.

As mentioned in the opening post, Nibiru in the Sumerian texts is not a planet but a city on Earth. In this thread, we are just concerning ourself with Nibiru and what's known about it. There is no point in considering all the other trillions of billions of planets in the universe, because the Sumerians did not regard Nibiru as a planet, according to their texts.

Could you tell us what these other facts are that you've found in your research that I'm leaving out?

Posted by blufire (here)
As far as your experience as a shaman and the knowledge you gain from this “state” I will not address. . . . except to say. Until we as humans can intelligently and succinctly understand this physical world we inhabit how can we even begin to decipher information or experiences from another realm or dimension or do you have this dimension figured out?

Yes, I can answer that. We cannot understand this physical world we inhabit in isolation from the understanding that everything is made from energy and energy is consciousness that operates multi-dimensionally and holographically.

Our brain synapses which make up our cognitive processes start to build from birth, and they are built of thoughts and according to how we think. So if we are taught to think a certain way, our brains take that shape. We have been fed a very limited story about who we are and therefore, our perception is extremely limited about who we are and what this world is.

Perhaps you know the story of the Elephant and the Blind Men? It's a story my guru liked to tell, and this is it in poem form.




THE BLIND MEN AND THE ELEPHANT by John Godfrey Saxe.

A HINDOO FABLE.

i.

IT was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

ii.

The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me!—but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

iii.

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried:"Ho!—what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 't is mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

iv.

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:

"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

v.

The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he;
"'T is clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

vi.

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

vii.

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

viii.

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

moral.

So, oft in theologic wars
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!


If we want to understand who we are and what this physical world is really all about, we need to open our eyes ~ through enlightenment, which can be achieved with the help of the intradimensional spirits through the shamanic journey. This is how our earliest ancestors lived.

[Ria]

I would like more information on the city, Nibiru.
An a side, dinosaurs are running around, in the Out back, in Australia, according to the Aborigines; bunyip, burrunjor, yarru.
You can go and ask them what ever you like, as long as you are quick, they snack on any thing they see. I'm given to understand.

[Ishtar]

Hi Unified Serenity

You make some very good points.

There are certain protocols that have to be followed in making a shamanic journey and if these are not followed, the sort of difficulties you describe can occur. That's why it's very important to be trained by a shaman who knows what they're doing, and who's been practising a long time.

This is extremely worthwhile work if done properly. I mean, we don't not take a boat journey across the sea just because there are sharks in the sea. To the shaman, there is no such thing as evil. There is energy in the wrong place. And if we were jump overboard into shark-infested waters, we would, in that instant, be the energy in the wrong place and the sharks would not be evil for gobbling us up. They would be just doing their shark thing.

If guided properly, by an experienced shaman, one need never be the 'energy in the wrong place'. There are protocols that have to be learned before setting off and when they are known about, one is completely safe.

By the way, the shaman doesn't go to the astral plains which tends to be inhabited by fairly lower level practitioners of the arts.

The shamans cosmology is the Lower World, the Middle World and the Upper World, and so long as he is always guided by either his power animal or guide in human form, he will be completely safe.

[Unified Serenity]

I think you and I are talking in semantics here. To you astral only consists of the lower planes. To me there are many planes and I just jump over the lower ones for there is nothing there I want unless it's another human mucking about where they should not. The entities in those lower planes left me alone some years ago now.

Regarding the analogy of the taking a trip in a boat, spirit journeys are more akin to swimming in the the ocean not just sailing over it. Most people do not have shammans or energy adepts to guide them. They get a book, the read about meditation, or they take some drug and kablam they are experiencing! Some are great trips and others are not so great and some only get one shot at it. No, this is not fear porn it's truth. Do NOT just go off into astral / spirit journeys without doing due diligence in preparation, knowing strong grounding skills, and having a spotter if possible until you are adept yourself.

In the old ways, people were taught these things. Nowadays it's just kewl and many travel with no issues. I have seen the direct results of the one's who did not travel safely.

I am enjoying your posts Ishtar, and look forward to more of what you wish to share.

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Hi Unified Serenity

You make some very good points.

There are certain protocols that have to be followed in making a shamanic journey and if these are not followed, the sort of difficulties you describe can occur. That's why it's very important to be trained by a shaman who knows what they're doing, and who's been practising a long time.

This is extremely worthwhile work if done properly. I mean, we don't not take a boat journey across the sea just because there are sharks in the sea. To the shaman, there is no such thing as evil. There is energy in the wrong place. And if we were jump overboard into shark-infested waters, we would, in that instant, be the energy in the wrong place and the sharks would not be evil for gobbling us up. They would be just doing their shark thing.

If guided properly, by an experienced shaman, one need never be the 'energy in the wrong place'. There are protocols that have to be learned before setting off and when they are known about, one is completely safe.

By the way, the shaman doesn't go to the astral plains which tends to be inhabited by fairly lower level practitioners of the arts.

The shamans cosmology is the Lower World, the Middle World and the Upper World, and so long as he is always guided by either his power animal or guide in human form, he will be completely safe.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Most people do not have shammans or energy adepts to guide them. They get a book, the read about meditation, or they take some drug and kablam they are experiencing! Some are great trips and others are not so great and some only get one shot at it. No, this is not fear porn it's truth. Do NOT just go off into astral / spirit journeys without doing due diligence in preparation, knowing strong grounding skills, and having a spotter if possible until you are adept yourself.

Absolutely agree. Get yourself an experienced shaman guide to teach you the protocols and to open the right gates for you or leave the spirit world alone. That's my advice.

[blufire]

If I may ask Ishtar how long have you felt you have been a shaman and how long have you taken these journeys? Also who is your teacher or experienced shaman guide?

You also mentioned in another post about many others taking or achieving these shamanic journeys . . .are you suggesting that becoming a shaman is something a “regular” person can achieve?

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Most people do not have shammans or energy adepts to guide them. They get a book, the read about meditation, or they take some drug and kablam they are experiencing! Some are great trips and others are not so great and some only get one shot at it. No, this is not fear porn it's truth. Do NOT just go off into astral / spirit journeys without doing due diligence in preparation, knowing strong grounding skills, and having a spotter if possible until you are adept yourself.

Absolutely agree. Get yourself an experienced shaman guide to teach you the protocols and to open the right gates for you or leave the spirit world alone. That's my advice.

[trenairio]

Very insightful and informative. Though how Sumeria propped up in such a short time frame IS a mystery. and not sure how hallucinogens can propell shamans astrally into another realm.