Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I'm caught up now, Meeradas.
Warning, phone buzzed, automated advert..."This is your captain speaking. You have won two boarding passes..." - click (me hanging up).

Heeding warning...

[astrid]

Reading my Astro report for the day,

Sun Sextile Chiron

"An understanding atmosphere

You are particularly perceptive during this time - you have an almost infallible feeling for the fine,
often unnoticed sensitivities of others and can take these into account during team-work and in conversations.
In this way you create an open, sympathetic atmosphere in which your counterpart feels relaxed and secure.
This is an excellent background for all personal contact and private talks with people who are close to you.
Perhaps small hurts that others have suffered, which have made them sensitive, will come up in conversation.
Should you find out that you yourself - even if unintentionally - were the cause of this injury,
you now have the opportunity to make this good. Even small wounds need to be healed. "

activity period from 9 January 2012 to 11 January 2012

[9eagle9]

Well Cal, here you go. If I wait long enough someone always comes along become a living example of the points I try to make .

Look at the post . It said "I personally think" that men are different species.

A NOTION that I PERSONALLY entertain. That is why the statement is prefaced by "I think".

Neither in that remark am I posing it as an ultimate truth, wisdom or knowledge nor have I provided any sort of evidence or shown how that may be truth. It's a "I think".

If it was something I knew I'd just state it and support with whatever evidence is provided to me from 'up there.'

You will be very hard pressed to support this one. Very hard pressed to find a judgement in or that I even attempted to express it as a known truth or wisdom.

If you notice in my posts I very seldom use the word "I think" .Because I very seldom ever think. I just know. I know when I'm thinking and I know when I'm knowing.

If I know something I just state it. No "I thinks" are necessary.

I very seldom ever speak of things I don't know about. When I do, they are prefaced by "I think".

The difference between thinking and knowing.

I stated it precisely the way I meant it...: "I think".

Another interesting notion: Because people can't argue or formulate a convincing argument against what I see as just 'common sense' maybe....that's a clue.

We are so used to beliefs that shatter under some soft scrutiny and arguing and debate and the pain that follows because we are 'attached' to our belief systems..... perhaps we think wisdom will just shatter away too. Any belief can break down. Truth is self evident. And ...the truth hurts. Or it can set you free. Your choice. Your responsiblity. Not anyone elses.

You think wisdom and true knowing break down as easily a belief system can be broken down?.

No. They don't. Maybe that is why you feel like I'm never wrong. Because I'm not feeding you a bunch of coddled bull**** that can easily be broken down by feeble belief rejoinders.

Maybe i'm 'never' wrong because I'm not expressing easily broken down beliefs but something a bit sturdier?

If wisdom could be broken by a few tantrums none of us would be here. A belief system is broken down in seconds, its flaws, it's failures , its contradictions, its opposing core values, it even reveals what other belief it orginated from.

The true knowing that we seek doesn't breakdown. It's not wrong. If it's wrong and can be broken down like a belief system-- what is occuring in our mind-- why bother to look for the truth at all?

The thing is ...wisdom or truth can't be argued with. It's self evident to the people who aren't blinded by beliefs . For those who want a belief system, its not so evident. In fact its simplicity is infuriating.

When the truth is present there is no cause for argument. When belief system starts mucking about then people will start feeling badly because we think our beliefs are who we are.

Beliefs can crumble, you poke at them a few times and they just fall down. There's nothing there to support them but flimsy ideas.

Truth and wisdom are pretty steadfast. Knowing one's self is stead fast and can't be broken. Thinking you are your belief system is going to break you.

That's why people seek it out , the truth of who they are, and see how valuable it is compared to easily broken belief system.

[Belle]

Haven't checked in for a couple of days...glad I waited until I finished catching up before posting.

It would have sounded something like...

Happy Birthday, Ulli!
Calz not posting? Noooo, I so look forward to what he has to say.
9eagle9...I thought I was the only one who gave myself a time-allowance for strong feelings...I give myself 15 minutes to feel the anger, sadness, fear, etc. then I let it go and move on to the rest of my day feeling somehow lighter.
Yay, Calz posted.
eaglespirit...so sorry about your son's passing. Somehow it just doesn't seem right that a child should die first.
Loved all the pictures posted.

This truly is a Village. It's warm and homey and filled with people I would be honored to have in my home. imo disagreements are part of the package...how boring would it be if we all agreed on everything all of the time. It's how we deal with disagreements that matters. We share each others growth, joy, sadness, lessons, questions, wisdom. Why not disagreements? Where else could any of us go and be as supported, without judgment, as we are here and now?

That said, time for some echinacea tea to help soothe the cold I caught while nursing Mom back to health.

Hope your birthday was all you hoped for, Ulli.
Calz, what can I say? Love ya.

Night, all.

[meeradas]

"Damn", ... still no sleep, so back to the "box".

This is for Modwiz [for obvious reason: read] + all guitar enthusiasts around here.

I saw this guy doing it live, 20 years or so ago.
I had to close my eyes for the whole gig.
Awesome. Meditation.

Enjoy.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=webyGftC6wo

It's 2:22 here, as i post this

[Ernie Nemeth]

Can't argue with that 9eagle9:

Another interesting notion: Because people can't argue or formulate a convincing argument against what I see as just 'common sense' maybe....that's a clue.

You got it going on, gotta love it.

It makes me squirm when you're so direct. It makes me squirm for both of you because I hope you can live up to the mirror you hold and I hope the one the mirror was held up to understands its meaning - for themselves. Brave and daring, the truth wielded thus. Or is that just my perspective?

Calz, bro, no need to go.
Stay, live, learn, grow!
Your children are your vested charge
Your heart is theirs, it must discharge
This tender spot from long ago.


Eaglespirit, I like where your head is at, my friend. It was great to put a face to the words.

Meeradas, there's joy in the silence.


Ulli, Happy Birthday! Loved the picture of you in the outdoors.

Love to all,
Ernie

[meeradas]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
joy in the silence.

Synonyms; even same tone.

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Now, rest of Klaus Dona's. That will put me to sleep, at last...

[astrid]

wow. I was just in a online Shamanic journey group,
and we performed a huge fire ceremony to start the
year off . Cleansing all that needed to be cleansed,
and bringing in new energies required for the year
ahead.
I'm buzzing all over it was quite something.

A seriously awesome start to my study year
and to set a positive healing intention
Bring it on.

[Mike]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Well now ... this is interesting. I always considered the genders to be equal ... different but equal.

I am a parent. You know what??? My 2nd child I was the one to sleep with, feed and tend to his needs. I was the one who did the bonding simply because of the hours worked with both parents working different shifts.

You know what else is funny?

He reminds me of you. He is *never* wrong. He is *never* without an answer. Remarkably bright 10 year old.

That said I have never experienced love on a more intense level in my life (including family lovers whatever). He has a heart as big as Jupiter (Leo).

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
A question that may be more easily managed by taking away ..filters, beliefs, thoughts,ideas, feelings etc and tackeling that from a place of what is leftover after all those have been subtracted. Or perhaps looking at it from a standpoint of what conscious is not.

Every mother has experienced for herself the difference between knowing and thinking. Mother's intuition. And maybe that is why women have kids ...lol....to have that experience of pure knowing rather than dependance on conscious thought.

I don't like to leave men out but I can't go there (not having the current experience of masculinity) and I personally think they are a different species so the same may not apply

Posted by Carmody (here)
define: "Conscious".

Aye.....there's the rub.

Okay men are a different species.

Yes of course you will go to great lengths to spin your way out of saying that ... or else spin your way into accepting it as fact.

The 9 is never wrong.

What part of we all experience lifetimes in each gender and all astro signs to experience everything am I missing here???

Absolutely the last thing in the world I wanted was to continue our conversation here (and now) but where else shall I "stick it"???

I errored in bringing the Ishtar "issue" here but that was because that thread was in meltdown at that time (due to several members). I didn't want to add to that burden.

Yes ... of course ... mirrors. Attachments. Let us let the witches burn because that is not our business. Poof. Detachment. No problemo.

The great and powerful oz cranking behind the curtain says so and so it must be.


So ... again here we are ... here and now.


What can we do to move this outside the thread???


Shall we start a poll???

Is this of interest to the village???

Are we all learning something???

... or what?


Does the village approve of my continued role of the whipping boy so we can all learn about mirrors, genders and reality as an evolved Pisces pontificates???

No prob. I am good. I should have been asleep 3 hours ago so can adapt.

Sorry villagers ... when anyone supplies parenting tips and suggests they all fall into the same box (gender specific) I doth protest.

Good night villagers and I am exhausted of explanations for why storm clouds must exist here.

I tried my best to move beyond that ...

Calz, I have had many a conversation with women who have a less than stellar opinion of men based on their experiences with them. I usually spare them the obvious observation of, it takes two to tango and if you draw flies.....? So, I let such gender bashing pass because someone is still in process and I wish to honor that. I assume that any problem I am having with women means that I need to be alone. I guess all women do not talk incessantly, very often about emotional stuff, it is just that I haven't met them yet. I see the genders as expressing very differently in the physical form. I think it is all part of the 'system', and a good one at that. I do believe there is an exalted state of gender that is part of the goal. Embodying the essence of the gender in a way that compliments rather than clashes. A true dance where push and pull create a dynamic magic and power the Universe.

this is a wonderful post, Modwiz. i had to read it a couple times.

"i guess all women do not talk incessantly, very often about emotional stuff, it is just that i haven't met them yet." LOL. hilarious, and also refreshing to see that all the great women here in the village have a flexible sense of humor

[write4change]

THE MIRROR HAS TWO FACES is one of my favorite movies starring Jeff Bridges and Barbra Streisand who also directed. It is also quite funny. And it is about the issues of love and loss from a woman's view, style over substance, and the lengths men go to avoid pain knowingly. Streisand was 54 when she made it and it is the last film she directed. The critics were brutal and most of the reviews I read were by women. Janet Margolin was so over the top. I play the film periodically and always see more layers. It is a work that will stand the older it gets. It will be seen as particularly appropos our time.

I have pursued love all my life like most of us. I have found it is always there waiting when you are finally ready enough to be still to feel it. While I pursued love I feared it for I always felt I would loose it. That is addressed in the movie. She is a professor at Columbia teaching literature and the moment we see her teaching about myths and archtypes and why they were created to explain love. She asks why do we continually pursue love when it is usually so brief and its loss so painful? And her students answer the need to propagate, DNA, etc. And she says, too intellectual for me. We all pursue love for when we have it even for a moment it feels so ****ing good we remember it all our lives.

I also always had a problem with the relatively recent idea of unconditional love. Where is unconditional love? And maybe that is why christian never worked for me. The prodigal son would never be a jewish story. There is no justice to it. The rebel son takes his share and splits and the faithful son does his duty and his reward is his father celebrating the rebel son and there will be a reduction in the faithful son's shares. etc. There is not the acknowledged joy of being faithful so much as the job of the return of the rebel.

The longer I have lived the more I have come to understand that all love is different. Not better, not equal--different. I have had many cats. When the first one died, I cried for three days. I did not have another cat for 7 years. When I was gifted with the second at a very needy time in my life, I found he was totally different and I loved him differently. Nothing of the memories of the first cat changed. They were never comparable, they were always different. Silly as it sounds, this insight changed my life with men and people in general. My first marriage legally lasted 7 years. I did not marry again for over a dozen years. The men in between were all different. Those I loved I loved differently and I was different with each of them.

Now as the circle is becoming complete in this life---I don't think about unconditional love, or monogamous love, or eternal love----I just think love. And I have found that if you keep loving and I have lost a daughter at 13 years and 10 months that almost killed me---that love will lift you beyond any pain and you can keep loving until all there is --- is love.

This is the best I can do to write of something I feel so profoundly.

[9eagle9]

I am laughing my ass off here.....

the thing is there's no gender bash there. I have no idea how this conclusion is being drawn save for a sacred cow got eyeballed. And I'm not even sure if the thought alarms me...or relieves me...


I didn't assign a value to it like "Men are an inferior species. " Or women are a better species. If there had been judgement in there my ass would be toast right now.

I am without the experience of being a man in this life time and I am compelled to think that we are two different species. That's all. Who ever took that as a bash created the bash in their head. I didn't even remark what sort of different species a man might be. DIFFERENT species I didn't 't say they were a lower life form.

Thus far no one has provided me any sort of compelling evidence, even just circumstancail, that what I think may true....or NOT true. They just fly into "I'm offended (again) mode."

What amazes me is that we can talk on all day about how we 'are really' aliens, and we're reallly, underneath it all, just angels in disguise.and we are starseeds, and we are reincarnated unicorns. And we are so willing to accept that anyone is 'really' a great historical figure from the past. It'a acceptable, normal even.

But to suggest that one of the other of the genders is a different species must be bashing someone..


Lol.

I am crying here. Thank you for that.

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Well now ... this is interesting. I always considered the genders to be equal ... different but equal.

I am a parent. You know what??? My 2nd child I was the one to sleep with, feed and tend to his needs. I was the one who did the bonding simply because of the hours worked with both parents working different shifts.

You know what else is funny?

He reminds me of you. He is *never* wrong. He is *never* without an answer. Remarkably bright 10 year old.

That said I have never experienced love on a more intense level in my life (including family lovers whatever). He has a heart as big as Jupiter (Leo).

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
A question that may be more easily managed by taking away ..filters, beliefs, thoughts,ideas, feelings etc and tackeling that from a place of what is leftover after all those have been subtracted. Or perhaps looking at it from a standpoint of what conscious is not.

Every mother has experienced for herself the difference between knowing and thinking. Mother's intuition. And maybe that is why women have kids ...lol....to have that experience of pure knowing rather than dependance on conscious thought.

I don't like to leave men out but I can't go there (not having the current experience of masculinity) and I personally think they are a different species so the same may not apply

Posted by Carmody (here)
define: "Conscious".

Aye.....there's the rub.

Okay men are a different species.

Yes of course you will go to great lengths to spin your way out of saying that ... or else spin your way into accepting it as fact.

The 9 is never wrong.

What part of we all experience lifetimes in each gender and all astro signs to experience everything am I missing here???

Absolutely the last thing in the world I wanted was to continue our conversation here (and now) but where else shall I "stick it"???

I errored in bringing the Ishtar "issue" here but that was because that thread was in meltdown at that time (due to several members). I didn't want to add to that burden.

Yes ... of course ... mirrors. Attachments. Let us let the witches burn because that is not our business. Poof. Detachment. No problemo.

The great and powerful oz cranking behind the curtain says so and so it must be.


So ... again here we are ... here and now.


What can we do to move this outside the thread???


Shall we start a poll???

Is this of interest to the village???

Are we all learning something???

... or what?


Does the village approve of my continued role of the whipping boy so we can all learn about mirrors, genders and reality as an evolved Pisces pontificates???

No prob. I am good. I should have been asleep 3 hours ago so can adapt.

Sorry villagers ... when anyone supplies parenting tips and suggests they all fall into the same box (gender specific) I doth protest.

Good night villagers and I am exhausted of explanations for why storm clouds must exist here.

I tried my best to move beyond that ...

Calz, I have had many a conversation with women who have a less than stellar opinion of men based on their experiences with them. I usually spare them the obvious observation of, it takes two to tango and if you draw flies.....? So, I let such gender bashing pass because someone is still in process and I wish to honor that. I assume that any problem I am having with women means that I need to be alone. I guess all women do not talk incessantly, very often about emotional stuff, it is just that I haven't met them yet. I see the genders as expressing very differently in the physical form. I think it is all part of the 'system', and a good one at that. I do believe there is an exalted state of gender that is part of the goal. Embodying the essence of the gender in a way that compliments rather than clashes. A true dance where push and pull create a dynamic magic and power the Universe.

[Mike]

i was completely willing to let it all go 9eagle, but then you accused us all of being reincarnated unicorns, and...well...that's just unforgivable.

[Guest]

for the past few days and today have been having connective energy experiences with 2 cylindrical plasmic energy tubes stuck together full of electrical plasma energy creating a sort of vortex connected/bridging to me and space.

eaglespirit and write4change all i can say to you both is thankyou for the depth of your sharing that part of your life and where it took you with yourselves.

Love

Nora

we are all related

[9eagle9]

Well...we know what that horn transmuted itself into in this life time don't we?

However this discussion, I hope, prompt some people to revise the notion of just tossing over the rulership of the entire planet to the 'divine feminine principal."

I've warned against it time and again....

Posted by Chinaski (here)
i was completely willing to let it all go 9eagle, but then you accused us all of being reincarnated unicorns, and...well...that's just unforgivable.

[write4change]

I have spent most of the entire day on the web from the links I found here. Forgot the dog who pooped on her new white fleecy blanket and one of her little fuzzy toys. Both now hand washed and drying. I also had to give the stinky dog a bath in the bath tube with me since she is so terrified of everything. She is progressing but will she ever be a dog? Even though a puppy she has no idea how to play and will not chase a ball etc. even in the house. She is literally afraid to extend herself.

I have done a lot of thinking about what I find on this site and how I will evolve here. I find that I come not for the answers but for the questions. And some of the questions are mind boggling despite a lifetime of conscious learning. This body has spent a long time being habituated to judgement so to compensate I spend a long time thinking about my initial reactions. This is a big improvement over a year ago when I just jumped in this site with many assumptions. The only clarity I will find here will be for me. I will have to filter the muddy water for myself and so will everyone else. Getting in someone else's water is only going to stir up more mud for both of us.

The dog is either a problem or a distraction. I thought she would be a solution. I need a dog to make my get up and walk because living in an apartment, walking the dog rain or shine leaves no excuses. So I am using the dog as a crutch to insure a self discipline I fear I lack. I also need a dog to alert me to sound which is getting more difficult for me to hear the door, the phone, etc. The problem is bonding. A puppy usually will bond easily but takes at least a year to train---there is the chewing, the pooping, the accidents, etc. But when you are all done you are friends for life. Buying a quality puppy is an option and it is usually a clean slate. A pound dog has problems because it comes from problems. It either never had a good home or lost a good home and trust, support, and understanding is an issue.

I am easily quilted into rescue and I have done it a lot with haivng owned three ranches. Except for greyhounds I have never had the real deep bonding with rescue as with raising. I don't know if it was me or the dogs. On a ranch deep bonding was not an issue. At the Texas ranch I had five dogs, all raised. Two basenjis, two sckipperkees, and one great dane. Each had their place, their job, their buddy, the ranch, the kid, and me. And I am always the alfa dog.

At the moment I pity this dog and have compassion for her. But I don't respect her as a dog. She does not act like a dog. I am not sure I can love a dog I don't respect. I think she may sense this in some way which makes her more reticent.

Okay alpha dogs--what is my next step or am I over thinking all this. I do understand and work with all my animals on a whole with knowing. I know she is smart and curious. I can always feel smart. Animals like people have a broad range of intelligence and I always choose smart because I respect that and it shows. Basenjis are hard dogs. Much more like cats. They are also problem solvers. If you say come to a basenji--they are very clear about what you want--but you can also see them rolling around with do I or don't I want to come? LOL They only bond with respect like cats and they are not into obedience just because. They are my favorite dog precisely because they are so difficult. The men in my life are also always complex and difficult. LOL

In two hours it will be midnight and I will walk the dog for the last time today and then get up at 6 for the next walk and six hours is pushing it. Sigh.

[Carmody]

http://theavalonfiles.com/stream/Who...bus/index.html

[Carmody]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The true knowing that we seek doesn't breakdown.

Pardon the pun, but the true knowing that we seek is exactly that: the true knowing that we seek.

hehehheheh.......

[ViralSpiral]

Posted by Carmody (here)


Pardon the pun, but the true knowing that we seek is exactly that: the true knowing that we seek.

hehehheheh.......

and its driving my Dreambus!

I am still a relatively green passenger, observing the road and periodically staring out of the window - at emptiness.
It is then I notice that I am that. Nothing. Things happen to this "separation".
The driver shouts:- wake-up!!
I get annoyed. And so the seeker appears.....

[ViralSpiral]

If I were to invite guests (dead or alive) to my last supper, Rumi would be there......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=z6XGODkwaVI

[Carmody]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4V2H_qg01xY