Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood

[BestLion]

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

Possible we are now both on the payroll. She probably also says Don is on that same payroll..and others who have exposed BW.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

Seriously?
Who are we then ? Aliens?> maybe Annunakis? Maybe reptilians?

[winston smith1971]

MTHEL (THEL) - Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser
this was tested 2000, imagine what damage it or similar could do to a couple of towers...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwL...eature=related

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ

Navy Laser Weapon System (LaWS) PR Video
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vqLkp...eature=related

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vqLkpcHavZE

[Tommy]

Posted by BestLion (here)

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

Possible we are now both on the payroll. She probably also says Don is on that same payroll..and others who have exposed BW.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

Seriously?
Who are we then ? Aliens?> maybe Annunakis? Maybe reptilians?

So what are you doing here if you are only insisting of the version of a know public government paid NAVY seal? Do you really believe a low level SEAL (as he is compared to black projects) to the point where you try to ridicule a witness? Don't try to laugh this off or get people off track, answer me clearly for every one to see. Also, "Don" or whomever really using his name as cover has not presented a public testimony about this. Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

You can't fool everybody, certainly not on this forum...

[Khaleesi]

Posted by Lazlo (here)

Posted by seeingterra (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.

Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

who has the website with the donate button and keeps asking people to click on it?

[Tommy]

Posted by Khaleesi (here)

Posted by Lazlo (here)

Posted by seeingterra (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.

Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

who has the website with the donate button and keeps asking people to click on it?

Whom is forcing you to push that button?

Don't try this BS

[Hummingbird]

Posted by BestLion (here)

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
Also wasn't he intimating that the charges of rape/felony were false and he was framed? Or was I literally the only one that caught that little important part of the information he put out.

All convicted felons claim they are innocent. I had a friend when i was in the Army he was a security guard at a max security prison. He would say even the murderers rapist, child molesters all say they were framed. They would swear on the Bible or on the tomb of their dead grandmother that they were innocent.
The fact of BW is he was convicted. And what appears to have been sexual rape of a 12 year old 7th grade school girl.

How many times are you going to make false claims.. provide the source for the girl being 12!! And rape and consensual sex are two different things.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by bestlion (here)

so...he was in the military, and was convicted of a sex offense by a military court, and was not convicted by a civilian court.. There you have it, we can stop arguing about whether or not he told the truth about anything.

it seems he was in the navy but in the 1990s "not what he claims in 2008 time" he got court martialed and ended up in ft leavenworth. The claim of his seal experience is bogus, and so is his time frame he never was in iraqi freedom opp etc...now that puts us..
I was a unit administrator for the us army full time for 7 years. I worked with orders dd214 forms, i processed new soldier and also kicked out soldiers who were busted for drugs etc.. I was responsible for the paperwork. I worked for a us army reserve battalion as a full time civilian a gs-07 which is called 'dual status" meant i had to be a member of the army reserve in order to keep my civilian job. If a soldier was convicted of a court martial he received a dis honorable discharge and would no be re-instated back to the armed forces.that means his own story has him busted! he said he was convicted of the rape..this means they in the military sent him to a tribunal , and he was found guilt..this would entail a court martial, and a dishonorable discharge. He would never had made a seal team "which need a top security clearance. he would not have even been reinstated to the armed forces. he would have been demoted, and black lined. That means after his conviction even if he tried to be a seal he would have never been accepted! Heck he wouldn't have even been reinstated to the navy!
Btw the seals reject something like 80% of people who apply. A man with any 'black' on his record would have been rejected asap.

OH MY GOD! DUDE! You are missing the whole entire POINT! Just because you were in the army for 7 years and you think you "KNOW" about how the navy seals operate doesn't mean you know how bw's specific alleged secret team works! We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team? Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!! Are you really claiming that you know exactly how the shadow government and it's secret team military operatives conduct themselves???? YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD. The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative. But i don't think you are. I just think you are confused and naive about how our government and military work in secret.



Update:

Haha I took a lesson from jackovesck on that one! Red type helps get the point across. Word to you Jack!

[BestLion]

So what are you doing here if you are only insisting of the version of a know public government paid NAVY seal? Do you really believe a low level SEAL (as he is compared to black projects) to the point where you try to ridicule a witness? Don't try to laugh this off or get people off track, answer me clearly for every one to see. Also, "Don" or whomever really using his name as cover has not presented a public testimony about this. Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

You can't fool everybody, certainly not on this forum...

What a second don't be signaling me out and accusing me of being some shill. I aint the only one who posted info against this guy about 10 other posters also have also, and 100s of people on facebook, forums and other sites.

Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

So i guess you think all soldiers, former soldiers, former government workers are on the payroll hey? Well thats something like 30 million Americans right there. Don is a veteran and a former Navy Seal..I highly doubt he is jumping on forums to do psychological-op.
Calm down go have a cup of tea and chill out!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

How many times are you going to make false claims.. provide the source for the girl being 12!! And rape and consensual sex are two different things.

I said 'suppose" I didnt say 100%..I said it is on some forums and has been posted here. And it is called rape.. called statutory rape. A form of rape.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by BestLion (here)

So what are you doing here if you are only insisting of the version of a know public government paid NAVY seal? Do you really believe a low level SEAL (as he is compared to black projects) to the point where you try to ridicule a witness? Don't try to laugh this off or get people off track, answer me clearly for every one to see. Also, "Don" or whomever really using his name as cover has not presented a public testimony about this. Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

You can't fool everybody, certainly not on this forum...

What a second don't be signaling me out and accusing me of being some shill. I aint the only one who posted info against this guy about 10 other posters also have also, and 100s of people on facebook, forums and other sites.

Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

So i guess you think all soldiers, former soldiers, former government workers are on the payroll hey? Well thats something like 30 million Americans right there. Don is a veteran and a former Navy Seal..I highly doubt he is jumping on forums to do psychological-op.
Calm down go have a cup of tea and chill out!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

How many times are you going to make false claims.. provide the source for the girl being 12!! And rape and consensual sex are two different things.

I said 'suppose" I didnt say 100%..I said it is on some forums and has been posted here.

Dude read my above post and respond. the points you are making are EXTREMELY silly and naive.

[Tommy]

Posted by BestLion (here)

So what are you doing here if you are only insisting of the version of a know public government paid NAVY seal? Do you really believe a low level SEAL (as he is compared to black projects) to the point where you try to ridicule a witness? Don't try to laugh this off or get people off track, answer me clearly for every one to see. Also, "Don" or whomever really using his name as cover has not presented a public testimony about this. Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

You can't fool everybody, certainly not on this forum...

What a second don't be signaling me out and accusing me of being some shill. I aint the only one who posted info against this guy about 10 other posters also have also, and 100s of people on facebook, forums and other sites.

Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

So i guess you think all soldiers, former soldiers, former government workers are on the payroll hey? Well thats something like 30 million Americans right there. Don is a veteran and a former Navy Seal..I highly doubt he is jumping on forums to do psychological-op.
Calm down go have a cup of tea and chill out!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

How many times are you going to make false claims.. provide the source for the girl being 12!! And rape and consensual sex are two different things.

I said 'suppose" I didnt say 100%..I said it is on some forums and has been posted here.

No, you are taking words out of my mouth. And all of the people\person in question has used the statement you use "I did not write this"..

I don't single anyone out without something to go on, call it patterns.

And if you are not a shill then you should seriously consider if your manners and conduct is fitting for a forum like this.

This is a confirmed organized effort against Project Camelot and Bill Wood, prepare to be challenged on your challenges.
A good answer is usually enough...

[Khaleesi]

Posted by seeingterra (here)

Posted by Lazlo (here)

Posted by seeingterra (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.

Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

Sorry, it was for BestLion

So you asked BestLion how much THEY offered him. In essence, accusing him of accepting money to attack Bill Wood on this forum. Or are you denying your own words, as quoted here?

[BestLion]

No, you are taking words out of my mouth. And all of the people\person in question has used the statement you use "I did not write this"..

I don't single anyone out without something to go on, call it patterns.

And if you are not a shill then you should seriously consider if your manners and conduct is fitting for a forum like this.

This is a confirmed organized effort against Project Camelot and Bill Wood, prepare to be challenged on your challenges.
A good answer is usually enough...

This is the 1st thread i post anything about the government -911 etc..go read my post i mainly write in the UFO and history sections. This thread fascinated me because i was a former soldier, and I enjoy people who are or were navy seal. I googled the guys name before I listened to the entire interview cause i never heard of him before and wanted to know who he was before I invested 3 hours into hearing him out. That search lead me to many sites ect..I'm no government worker in anyway. I'm just a normal guy wanting to search the truth and have to filter out the junk along the way.
This mans story does not line up..
So whats your method now to ban me..Seems you want to frame me as a gov official..make me now look bad...so you can ban me cause i don't buy into this BS story of Bill Wood.

[Tommy]

Posted by BestLion (here)

No, you are taking words out of my mouth. And all of the people\person in question has used the statement you use "I did not write this"..

I don't single anyone out without something to go on, call it patterns.

And if you are not a shill then you should seriously consider if your manners and conduct is fitting for a forum like this.

This is a confirmed organized effort against Project Camelot and Bill Wood, prepare to be challenged on your challenges.
A good answer is usually enough...

This is the 1st thread i post anything about the government -911 etc..go read my post i mainly write in the UFO and history sections. This thread fascinated me because i was a former soldier, and I enjoy people who are or were navy seal. I googled the guys name before I listened to the entire interview cause i never heard of him before and wanted to know who he was before I invested 3 hours into hearing him out. That search lead me to many sites ect..I'm no government worker in anyway. I'm just a normal guy wanting to search the truth and have to filter out the junk along the way.
This mans story does not line up..
So whats your method now to ban me..Seems you want to frame me as a gov official..make me now look bad...so you can ban me cause i don't buy into this BS story of Bill Wood.

I am not in charge of the Avalon Forum so don't play the ban card yet

Understand this: The statements you are referencing are less documented than a grain of sand on a random beach. You have decided, others decide for them self.
If it is as easy as a google search I am sure the members here are astute enough to make their own informed decisions.

Manners and conduct is key here, I select my words carefully to trigger a response, you should know that, and I have stated so before too.

If anything, take this as a very personal feedback on your conduct in this thread from an informed member.

Thanks

[Carmody]

Posted by Khaleesi (here)

Posted by Lazlo (here)

Posted by seeingterra (here)

Posted by BestLion (here)

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.

Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

who has the website with the donate button and keeps asking people to click on it?

Who has the +$100 trillion agenda and the force to enforce such desires and directions?

careful how you toss that **** around.

One can (mentally) masturbate themselves wildly (I do not claim innocence) within the scope of narrow vision and ideas on a personal fear and forced reality (upon others)..but they must also understand that a force of direction is also a set of blinders that is at least as big, or bigger than the thrust of intent.

I'm not falling on one side of this or another, I'm just addressing the idea of physiological and emotional thrust as a coloration that blinds..either as a purposeful act or one done in relative innocence.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
Oh yes, the important and liberating information of our times.

I understand Sean's mannerisms, ego, and personality don't sit right with some people, but I don't understand what you mean by your statement. I did not say his book held the holy grail of important and liberating info, I just said I thought it was an excellent read. Sean is a very well read and intelligent man, and he has a big picture perspective that I find very close to complete.

There must be a language difficulty between us. I will drop it.

No, there is not. You [Modwiz] are often negatively sarcastic to the point of being transparently obnoxious to anyone with any open perception. You read it here first.

I have to say I have bitten my lip many times with regards to modwiz' attitude and patronizing before he put me on ignore simply because I did not agree with him. I thought maybe it was me being too sensitive but clearly I am not on my own

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Posted by BestLion (here)

No, you are taking words out of my mouth. And all of the people\person in question has used the statement you use "I did not write this"..

I don't single anyone out without something to go on, call it patterns.

And if you are not a shill then you should seriously consider if your manners and conduct is fitting for a forum like this.

This is a confirmed organized effort against Project Camelot and Bill Wood, prepare to be challenged on your challenges.
A good answer is usually enough...

This is the 1st thread i post anything about the government -911 etc..go read my post i mainly write in the UFO and history sections. This thread fascinated me because i was a former soldier, and I enjoy people who are or were navy seal. I googled the guys name before I listened to the entire interview cause i never heard of him before and wanted to know who he was before I invested 3 hours into hearing him out. That search lead me to many sites ect..I'm no government worker in anyway. I'm just a normal guy wanting to search the truth and have to filter out the junk along the way.
This mans story does not line up..
So whats your method now to ban me..Seems you want to frame me as a gov official..make me now look bad...so you can ban me cause i don't buy into this BS story of Bill Wood.

Can you please respond to my above post? I am also concerned about your conduct on this thread. You seem to be taking hearsay and running with it as if it were evidence. your points are naive IMO and at times childish. please respond to my concerns spelled out in my above post.

[humanalien]

Posted by jaybee (here)
.
The person who is in charge of this network of parties, today currently is an ex- Navy Seal, that everybody would recognise and is definitely in a BUDS training class

..

The only ex navy seal that i know of is jesse ventura.

[TargeT]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Honest question: Is it conceivable that in the military stuff happens that millions of military people don't know of or would have a hard time believing it happens in their back yard? Is it possible that you do not know everything that is going on, or how stuff actually works? Because millions of people don't see a thing that does not make it a lie...

Absolutely, it IS POSSIBLE is it PROBABLE? no that was my only point ( and its HIGHLY unpropable) obviously most people are in skim mode, I've stated several times that since he enlisted normally, proccessed through a recruiter, through meps, to his initial training site & then at his next set of training was selected for his "ATS" specialized training.

so by his own statement I know that he WOULD HAVE records all over the place.. you guys are giving the goverment WAY too much credit, I'm sitting in one of their offices rightnow, its a freaking joke, the Unions encourage incopatency & "tenure" over skill & efficency...

there's a whistle blower that was a destroying documents, thats the source of his info (most credable back story I've ever heard & it leverages what I know to exsist, government in-efficency & regulation violation... EVERY YEAR we play games with our budget to "hide money" etc... shady **** goes on all the time but its mostly petty & pathetic & could easily be stopped if anyone cared.

I'm emphisizing this heavily because while it is possible that what he says is true about his service, it is so highly improbable (BASED ON HIS TESTIMONY LIVE IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW!!!!) that he ever served as his contradictions are blatantly obvious to the military community.

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
I hope you don't think I am trying to put you down, I am just trying to show that it may be possible that what Bill Wood says is true, even if his behavior does not follow the "well known" pattern. So he indeed may have been part of a "special one that functions differently".

Are we all at Avalon part of a group of people that sort of function differently ?

PS: I am compelled to mention that I am bitching from a bench right now. I did not serve in the military at all

I'm playing the other side, thats all... not making any concrete judgements, I'll still listen (there are few that I won't listen to); I know how easy it is for human kind to go for a story that is attractive (such as this one) and I see a disturbing lack of skeptisism based (probably) on one person's name alone..

Am I mistaken or is Kerry a document analyst specialist? has she had any training in document verifying or are we just "taking her word" that all this guy's stuff is legit?

the push back on this (due to the celeberty involvement) is what I'm worried about & why I'm putting in effort (celeb.s are TERRIBLE for society for the very reasons I'm posting in this thread... they function as a "trusted" source & people take their word as true.. thats why Tiger Woods sells Nike's etc....)

Posted by sdafnom (here)
[Do you really think that guys sent for black ops, risking capture, the military will leave their record lying around so they can be backtraced?
Let's look intelligently at the information given, evaluate it and draw conclusions.
The rest will follow

Stavros

yes, they always do; there is always a record of service, it just gets (extremely) vauge on exactly what, when, where etc...

in the military, (mostly for pay and retirement tracking) there is ALWAYS A PAPER TRAIL. I've worked with SF guys before, they always had a paper trail & since I've never seen any "ATS" or beeing exposed to anything or anyone like that I have spent time with the REAL GUYS, the RANGERS, SF, Para Rescue (PJ's), hell even the ROK ARMY this summer; amazing highly trained individuals that could drink me under a table then go run up a mountain the next day while I was hung over...

To think there is not a paper trail of service for any service member reguardless of their clearance level or activities is sorta like saying a motorcycle doesn't use wheels to move around... thats why I've posted a little bit on this topic

[BestLion]

If it is as easy as a google search I am sure the members here are astute enough to make their own informed decisions.

Well we have a convicted felon who is on the website of sex offenders. That alone does not help PC in the general public..even having a guy like that doesn't help your cause!
Most people in the world have a bad stigma against sex offenders..and that alone will send many people red flags.
So even if he was a navy seal... having a convicted and registered sex offender doesn't do your cause good. yeah maybe the girl was 16..maybe consensual, but the fact remains he is pegged as a registered sex offender.
That doesn't play well with skeptics or regular Joes once they find that out. And a search on other forums thats the main topic that is being addressed more so then his navy seal stuff.
Hey me personally if the girl was 16 and consensual I aint got a problem with it..that's his business. But its how others who come to PC and view on You Tube ect..BTW check out the You Tube comments about this guy if they already didn't disable the comments.

Manners and conduct is key here, I select my words carefully to trigger a response, you should know that, and I have stated so before too.

I'm pegged as a paid official cause I am extremely skeptical of a mans story, a man who many in the seal community think was never a seal? A man who is a registered sex offender? A man up until a week ago no one has ever heard about?

[13th Warrior]

Posted by humanalien (here)

Posted by jaybee (here)
.
The person who is in charge of this network of parties, today currently is an ex- Navy Seal, that everybody would recognise and is definitely in a BUDS training class

..

The only ex navy seal that i know of is jesse ventura.

What about that dude that claimed he punched Jesse in the bar...