Posted by the_vast_mystery
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Posted by 9eagle9
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Because you can't do it doesn't mean its impossible. I listen to lots of people in this forum speak of such things so I know its not impossible. Not in the majority but its not all that unusual. Your programming doesn't allow YOU to do it. People scream for it but when its suggested they should be doing it they attack the notion.
Most of the metaphysics people babble on about are just talk not expression. You haven't lost any appreciable amount of programming to know this for yourself. Everyone who has ever removed their conditioning will describe much the same thing.
Metaphysics occurs after one's programming is lost.
It's easy to become the observer, instead of the subject.
You just happen to think something is happening to you, so you have to react to it, so you just follow another reactionary person, I don't. So shoot me.
I've already proved to myself no harm will come to me. That's the only person that matters is me in the equation. No harm will come to 'me'.
Whatever happens to you is your problem. It's not like you weren't warned.
8 days a week no harm comes to me. Sunday a 1400 pound horse falls on me, no harm comes to me.
Monday a 700 pound horse falls on me, no harm comes to me.
Why am I not harmed? Because its impossible. Well I'm here typing sound in body so....what happened.
Something is happening certainly, horses are falling, but its not happening to me, because otherwise I'd be harmed by it. Why I am not harmed by this?
Next week something else will happen and I 'll still not be harmed.
Moving with naturally energies instead of allowing ones programming to resist them.
The problem here is you're making a fundamental attribution error. You know you have power, but not what exactly that power is, where it really comes from, nor why you have it, what exactly it is really doing, nor its truest extent. You're making very general surface observations and then immediately jumping to conclusions. (Which if you do know it that well why can't you describe it any further beyond "Well Gosh I just don't seem to get hurt! a'hyuk! I must be immune to everything!")
Power gives you leverage, just like using a pulley or other mechanical device gives a human leverage over lifting a heavy object. That said though just because you can lift two heavy blocks using a pulley system doesn't mean that you can lift absolutely every block made of anything with your pulley system. Being ignorant of the mechanics of how the pulley actually helps divide the effort required in lifting an object means that you will not be able to accurately gauge when the pulley will work and when it will break. In short, by relying on your abilities without ever trying to seriously understand them and what they do you are setting yourself up for failure the day you finally meet someone who's stronger than you who decides they want to hurt you.
If you could truly transcend the physical in its entirety you would be able to do anything on command. Which, I mean if that's the case by all means why don't you start by zeroing in on my exact location and teleporting right next to me for a good surprise?
What's that, don't know how? Maybe because you have not truly transcended the physical, merely that you have some innate powers that give you an advantage at operating here.
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Posted by justoneman
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Well stated - I lean your way, Vast... but that's a bit the sheeple in me. I have had a few defense experiences where something from within me performed feats I never knew possible, yet I did them, experienced them. I also have known folks who shared similar points of view as 9eagle9 and I was always somewhat envious of them in a way because I could not detach - always finding myself stuck with the sheeple (pretending I ain't one of em)... anyways, reading the debate between you both (one of the best ongoing forum debates ever!) has helped me examine further myself.
Yes, and I've managed to do a few miraculous things myself. But I don't parade around like that makes me invulnerable. I, in fact, tested myself and was quickly reminded that while I might have a few tricks up my sleeve I too have limits. I really won't go any further than to say that no matter if they are self-imposed or collectively-imposed limits are still limits.
To truly be free from limits is to also truly be free from yourself. That also means giving up any beliefs or actions which create personal attachments and compassion as a way of life because otherwise you limit yourself by being required to respond to the problems of others. Each person though has to decide whether or not those things are truly limits or perhaps gifts disguised as burdens.
Because ultimately we need to decide whether or not we want to be alone or work with others in a community, and if we decide the latter that means we're always going to come face to face with other people's problems on some level. It's impossible to deal with people long term without their problems contaminating your sphere somehow. So we can either banish others from our world entirely, or we can chose to do our best to work with them.
The planet, for instance, chooses to allow us to live on it despite how poorly we treat it. It works with us.
If the former however? You're still going to be spending just as much time isolating yourself from the problems of others as you would be dealing with them in that community. After all, tell the Native American population in the USA how well their isolationist strategy worked...genocide and forcible relocation. They're two sides of the same coin, and require just as much effort. Which a person chooses is entirely a matter of preference.
Posted by justoneman
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The first few times I read her posts I thought she (didn't even know she was a she) was quite a jerk... so I stepped back and looked at myself some more - then read more and more and all I can say is, I see where she's coming from and I sense she has a great deal of frustration with most of us sheeple (well, speaking for myself here). But I'm a sheep that's perhaps black and sorta outside the herd to some extent... but I still bah, bah now and then, I still hope ETs and the Drake guys pull it off... meaning I still believe in the possibility... anyways. - You really make several excellent points - thanks for posting Vast
I also thank 9eagle9 for one post where she mentioned she doesn't descend into polarity but if she had to she could see it as greed vs decency... and I know which side she falls on there - the latter.
I can kind of see where she comes from and yes there are some good points regarding dependency. We could do with a lot less of a codependent society but with that said personal responsibility as a dogma does not immediately convey these vast powers of matter alteration that she posits.
Expecting people to just stand up in every situation when they do not have these same vast abilities is ridiculous. That's like telling a child it's their own fault at age 11 for being kidnapped and sold into sex slavery. While yes, on a level yes you can attribute partial responsibility to them; What personal responsibility philosophy often misses is this: A person's ability to decide a situation for themselves is predicated quite firmly on their ability to understand their choices in full and determine which of multiple equally valid outcomes they prefer.
Not something one has in spades when under stress let alone when someone gets the drop behind them. Plenty of people have died fighting muggers/thieves and the fact that she has managed to survive due to some nebulous ability does not somehow make it the fault of those dead that they did not magically have access to whatever reservoir of power she might possess.
It's fallacious to expect any human being will ever be able to do the same until someone can demonstrate a full training manual which grants these awesome powers. As otherwise there is no sufficient reason to suspect these powers are in any way the result of this belief of "personal responsibility."
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