Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The entire affair is a pantomime. I'm amazed that this is not obvious to everyone.

That seems to be a weakness of the human genome at this time ... how readily we divide into conflicting groups, and with such fervor.

[Christine]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
Vivek and most probably US are illuminati paid trolls.

Stan

Stan,

You must really be upset when someone challenges your thoughts with reason. Just because Vivek and I do not trust Drake's message, have pointed out huge holes in his story, does not make us illuminati trolls. Name calling is a true disinfo tactic and shows how out classed, out debated, and out gunned you are. Yes, when all else fails scream "TROLL" and see if you can shut them up or create more "TROLL" screamers.

Nice desperate move.

I follow my heart dear. If I would let it rip upon you or Vivek I would most probably be expelled from here. It is quite clear that you and him have backing from Bill Ryan and Paul. I rest my case. I cannot speak freely here as you know. That is the liberty you take here with descent people here. If we had a level playing field here I would take you guys on in a serious debate, however my hands are tied behind my back and you ****ing people know it.

Stan

Heart? What are you talking about? Let it rip on US and Vivek? Heart? Oh me oh my! Sorry Stan but I just don't see how your hands are tied. As I understand it you are free to express your opinions openly but "letting it rip" implies that you wouldn't be polite and that you would attack these two members personally. Now THAT might go against the agreed protocols of the Avalon forum.

If you have serious and SUBSTANTIATED information on this whole sordid affair please do share it with the other members. What bothers me the most is that educated people have chosen to BELIEVE a fairy tale about a savior. Geez, haven't we grown up enough to realize that there are NO SAVIORS. I for one am certainly not going to sit home with my doors locked watching TV.

It is the height of absurdity that any one of any intelligence actually believes this.

Thanks for supplying me with your words, they certainly helped me get this off my chest.

La Tigra

[seigiarchon]

where the hell do you guys find the time to participate in all this bs?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes. I have removed "ums" and "ahh's" for clarity. (Still no substitute for listening yourselves )

When you're as hard of hearing as I am ... your transcript is vastly superior!

Thanks .

[we-R-one]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
where the hell do you guys find the time to participate in all this bs?

LMAO, that's what I've been wondering. I can't keep up with this stuff. Though I've tried to remain neutral on all this, I just haven't bought into the whole Drake facade. Been there and done that with TT way back when and it was the same story -Promises made, then later to be broken. Time would be better spent working locally from the ground up rather than the top down, and that was the lesson I learned after the whole TT fiasco.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes. I have removed "ums" and "ahh's" for clarity. (Still no substitute for listening yourselves )

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One of the things that I will not tolerate is that type of fun and games. I do not propose to retaliate any further than than this if it's made available, and that is ... that I'm allowed to post corrections to that website on that specific proposition and without the "I think so and maybe we'll think about allowing you to post" part of it ... as the admin that I talked to via email express and a permanent attachment to that particular post of my counter proposal to what was posted.

No one (well, except maybe Bill) but especially no one who is a non-member and who just threatened the destruction of this forum, gets to post whatever they want here, with a prior promise, sight unseen, of no review.

[StarDust]

Posted by foreverfan (here)
I'm worried because Bill Wood just said that Obama is not a bad guy. WTF? Alex Jones, where are you on that one.

I don't belive Obama is intrinsically a "bad guy" either.

Politics and ideologies aside, his heart was in the right place until he found out what his job actually was. This occured the moment he stepped off the inaugural podium. Inside reports were that Obama became physically ill once his family was threatened if he didn't play ball within reason. I think this is why he has become noticeably center right since he took the oath of office.

In spite of how most people perceive it, the presidency is NOT a monolithic position and no presidential election has represented a true "choice" by the people since Kennedy was in office. JFK was a man of principle and look where that got him.

I was working in the White House when Vince Foster was found dead during Bill Clinton's first term as president. The "suicide" as was reported just didn't add up. My intuition at that time told me that it didn't pass the smell test and it became blatantly obvious to me that "the powers that be" within that institution had their own way of keeping those in line that might stray from the grand plan of the puppet master.

Although it is not apparent to outsiders, the office has become the ultimate puppet show by virtue of those who surround the president and have never run for office; yet have the ability to pull the strings of power. This aspect of our government is intentionally non-transparent.

In summation, it's not the career politicians that we need to be most worried about. It is the career bureaucrats that are in power year after year plotting along enacting the plan for the cabal that is in desperate need of routing. Sure, there are many politicians that need to go as well and I'm not trying to defend Obama at this point.

Like many of you, I'm looking forward to seeing the list of those to be placed on trial. Once the curtain is pulled back and we are able to see the little old men running the machine, the world will become a much better place to live in, virtually overnight. This will achieve true transparency for the first time in humanities history. And when that occurs, what a blessed day it will be!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes. I have removed "ums" and "ahh's" for clarity. (Still no substitute for listening yourselves )

...

One of the things that I will not tolerate is that type of fun and games. I do not propose to retaliate any further than than this if it's made available, and that is ... that I'm allowed to post corrections to that website on that specific proposition and without the "I think so and maybe we'll think about allowing you to post" part of it ... as the admin that I talked to via email express and a permanent attachment to that particular post of my counter proposal to what was posted.

No one (well, except maybe Bill) but especially no one who is a non-member and who just threatened the destruction of this forum, gets to post whatever they want here, with a prior promise, sight unseen, of no review.

For the record: Drake sent the mods an aggressive message yesterday morning, pertaining to part of Vivek's researched information about him. He insisted on the right to reply and correct. He did not state what he was aggrieved about.

I recommended to the mods that they should write back with courtesy and invite Drake to submit a statement that we would publish (as long as it was a proper refutation, and didn't in itself contain anything inflammatory or was otherwise contrary to Forum protocols) -- i.e. the proper professional protocol for all media. We've not yet heard back from him. I am happy to defer totally to the mods' judgment on all these and other associated matters.

[Eram]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
For the record: Drake sent the mods an aggressive message yesterday morning, pertaining to part of Vivek's researched information about him. He insisted on the right to reply and correct. He did not state what he was aggrieved about.

I recommended to the mods that they should write back with courtesy and invite Drake to submit a statement that we would publish (as long as it was a proper refutation, and didn't in itself contain anything inflammatory or was otherwise contrary to Forum protocols) -- i.e. the proper professional protocol for all media. We've not yet heard back from him. I am happy to defer totally to the mods' judgment on all these and other associated matters.

Well,

Hurray for vivek.... !!
What a little bit of research can put into motion.

Isn't it time we start doing this more often? put more effort in researching new info instead of only debating it?
Sometimes it is so easy to find proof for the validity or invalidity of a story just bye writing e-mails to certain offices and here on PA I see too little of it.

For instance: I wrote to the ICJ in The Hague to ask for proof of the notification of sovereign states that Drake and his group supposedly send to them. I wrote the ICJ 8 times and never got an answer, which you might consider proof in itself. Proof that I'm a lousy researcher probably .

We should all put more effort in tracking down data to back up claims or breaking down claims made bye people with new interesting story's.

Maybe we can even put together a team of people here on PA who specialise themselves in this field.

x post update x

And as much for vivek being called a dis info agent:
If the future events that Drake is predicting are true, nothing we discuss here will have any influence on that, so what we believe or not is irrelevant to the unfolding of the predicted events. No need for Drake to get angry or aggressive does he?

[araucaria]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Aruacaria, the post of mine that you just quoted was not in criticism of Major Todd Hathaway, but to indicate that there was nothing wrong in having a Donate button, per se, and I go on to explain my views further in my next post.

However, Major Hathaway told us yesterday that he wouldn't be posting anymore...and it turns out, instead, that he's posting the October Surprise video on our Profiles, which is a bit of a covert operation if you ask me.

What would be better, in my opinion, would be for him to openly and transparently start a new thread on October Surprise, so that we can all address his claims on the forum. I personally object to people posting things to my profile when they're not friends of mine on here. It makes me feel like I do when spam mail comes through the door.

There is nothing wrong in having a donate button, I agree.

The term spam mail corresponds much better in my opinion to the endless discussions on this subject which can do without. It is not necessary to rise to the bait every time it comes up, and I think it is time we stopped.

I was unaware that this message was being sent to other profile pages. Since the facility exists to send messages to multiple users, it is legitimate on this forum. It was used recently by The One to advertise his website, I don't recall seeing any objections to that.

One of kk4aei's issues with this forum was precisely this obsession with form over substance. I for one can understand that.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by araucaria (here)
I was unaware that this message was being sent to other profile pages. Since the facility exists to send messages to multiple users, it is legitimate on this forum. It was used recently by The One to advertise his website, I don't recall seeing any objections to that.

There were concerns with a member posting links to his own forum as Visitor Messages on many members profile pages, but these concerns were resolved amicably and out of public view.

We request that Visitor Messages not be used for delivering the same message to many members who weren't expecting such.

[araucaria]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
I was unaware that this message was being sent to other profile pages. Since the facility exists to send messages to multiple users, it is legitimate on this forum. It was used recently by The One to advertise his website, I don't recall seeing any objections to that.

There were concerns with a member posting links to his own forum as Visitor Messages on many members profile pages, but these concerns were resolved amicably and out of public view.

We request that Visitor Messages not be used for delivering the same message to many members who weren't expecting such.

Thank you Paul. This would cover The One's case - I have seen his message on every profile page I have visited (not many!). However, in the case of kk4aei, it came in the course of an exchange of messages. I have not seen it anywhere else, including on Ishtar's page, she must have deleted it.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
[B]Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes.

KiwiElf - I have made good use of your transcript. I hope this will be OK with you, and that you won't mind that I didn't ask first.

I have extracted portions of your transcript and appended them as a P.S. to the opening post of Vivek's Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon thread, by way of providing a rebuttal in Drake's own words to the portions that he thought were inaccurate in that post.

Thanks again for the very useful transcript.

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Posted by araucaria (here)
However, in the case of kk4aei, it came in the course of an exchange of messages. I have not seen it anywhere else, including on Ishtar's page, she must have deleted it.

There were over a dozen other member pages that received the same message. I did not check each case to see whether the message was part of a larger discussion; that may have been an oversight on my part.

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
[B]Deatra-Drake Transcript: This is only the first 10-11 minutes.

KiwiElf - I have made good use of your transcript. I hope this will be OK with you, and that you won't mind that I didn't ask first.

I have extracted portions of your transcript and appended them as a P.S. to the opening post of Vivek's Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon thread, by way of providing a rebuttal in Drake's own words to the portions that he thought were inaccurate in that post.

Thanks again for the very useful transcript.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by araucaria (here)
However, in the case of kk4aei, it came in the course of an exchange of messages. I have not seen it anywhere else, including on Ishtar's page, she must have deleted it.

There were over a dozen other member pages that received the same message. I did not check each case to see whether the message was part of a larger discussion; that may have been an oversight on my part.

No problem Paul - I am happy to assist. (Would appreciate it if someone would verify my transcription accuracy tho - I certainly lack Avocadess' excellent skills in that department!). Cheers

[araucaria]

I personally do nearly all my business here in public. There is stuff on profile pages that needs to be out here. These points of order are getting tiresome and this is what dissuades people from posting their material directly on the forum. It's a vicious circle and the only way out of it is a little more tolerance. Is that too much to ask for?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Just listened to the interview on WSR and caught up on the Drake Drama. Anyone with half an antennae should be able to tell that this guy is not who he says he is. I think he's just a big overinflated blowhard. His threats are ridiculous and his claims of his connections are just a fantasy. I don't think he is illuminati. I don't think he is anything. Just another internet conspiracy entrepeneur spinning tales. I'm the opposite of impressed with WSR as well. So sue me.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

[frozen alchemy]

Let Me Get This Straight...

Basically, Drake, who is supposedly busy busy busy communicating with hundreds of people in the Pentagon and U.S. Armed Forces, hundreds of worldwide nation-state representatives, thousands of local militia captains, not to mention aliens and or angels, and many, many such people across the board (what 'highly connected' tends to represent), and takes time out of his busy day to give Two Hour Long interviews reiterating the same noninformation information over and over and over again (stock up on TP!) also has time to check out the forums that were discussing what he was representing as truly world shaking information (an activity which takes hours, believe me!) and took offense when some of his supposed credentials were taken issue with. And not only threatened to sue both the forum owners but the individual posters, as well. And apparently threatened the owner of this forum with bodily harm... i.e.; paraphrased, 'if I don't decide to sue, you better be packing your bags...'.

Did I get all that right?

Seems like a better response, regardless of his 'stress' levels, would be to simply implement the durn PLAN already. Nuthin' like success to shut up the naysayers, I always say.

I've known for quite some time now that 2012 would bring out the best and worst in people, with a massively inordinate amount of profit-taking (and ego-strutting) from the same kind of mentality who gave us profit-from-terror, snake oil and carnival barkers. But THIS! Dang, buy popcorn futures and sit back and watch the show!

I was listening to the interview with KC where Drake called in and couldn't be bothered to actually introduce himself first, but asked a question and then demanded that Kerry make note of his phone number. It seemed to me that his ego was shot down that she didn't want to hand over the microphone to him. The guy has gotten used to being the center of attention awful fast.

[bekrah]

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
Let Me Get This Straight...

Basically, Drake, who is supposedly busy busy busy communicating with hundreds of people in the Pentagon and U.S. Armed Forces, hundreds of worldwide nation-state representatives, thousands of local militia captains, not to mention aliens and or angels, and many, many such people across the board (what 'highly connected' tends to represent), and takes time out of his busy day to give Two Hour Long interviews reiterating the same noninformation information over and over and over again (stock up on TP!) also has time to check out the forums that were discussing what he was representing as truly world shaking information (an activity which takes hours, believe me!) and took offense when some of his supposed credentials were taken issue with. And not only threatened to sue both the forum owners but the individual posters, as well. And apparently threatened the owner of this forum with bodily harm... i.e.; paraphrased, 'if I don't decide to sue, you better be packing your bags...'.

Did I get all that right?

Seems like a better response, regardless of his 'stress' levels, would be to simply implement the durn PLAN already. Nuthin' like success to shut up the naysayers, I always say.

I've known for quite some time now that 2012 would bring out the best and worst in people, with a massively inordinate amount of profit-taking (and ego-strutting) from the same kind of mentality who gave us profit-from-terror, snake oil and carnival barkers. But THIS! Dang, buy popcorn futures and sit back and watch the show!

I was listening to the interview with KC where Drake called in and couldn't be bothered to actually introduce himself first, but asked a question and then demanded that Kerry make note of his phone number. It seemed to me that his ego was shot down that she didn't want to hand over the microphone to him. The guy has gotten used to being the center of attention awful fast.

Is it possible that perhaps both angles being presented here are correct? We're all human, we all have our strengths and weaknesses. It appears to me that sometimes those are one in the same, a person like drake may have been chosen to be the spokesperson because he is outspoken. That can be a both a strength and a weakness in circumstances such as this. He's outspoken, he get's people going, this forum is proof enough of that! However along with that comes perhaps a bit of a swollen ego. Some may call it confidence, some may call it narcissism. The point is, he's human just like all of us. And if what he says about his schedule is correct, I could very well imagine he might be dealing with a great deal of stress. Stress doesn't do good things for anyone. That is all I wanted to say.

[araucaria]

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
Let Me Get This Straight...

Basically, Drake, who is supposedly busy busy busy communicating with hundreds of people in the Pentagon and U.S. Armed Forces, hundreds of worldwide nation-state representatives, thousands of local militia captains, not to mention aliens and or angels, and many, many such people across the board (what 'highly connected' tends to represent), and takes time out of his busy day to give Two Hour Long interviews reiterating the same noninformation information over and over and over again (stock up on TP!) also has time to check out the forums that were discussing what he was representing as truly world shaking information (an activity which takes hours, believe me!) and took offense when some of his supposed credentials were taken issue with. And not only threatened to sue both the forum owners but the individual posters, as well. And apparently threatened the owner of this forum with bodily harm... i.e.; paraphrased, 'if I don't decide to sue, you better be packing your bags...'.

Did I get all that right?

Seems like a better response, regardless of his 'stress' levels, would be to simply implement the durn PLAN already. Nuthin' like success to shut up the naysayers, I always say.

I've known for quite some time now that 2012 would bring out the best and worst in people, with a massively inordinate amount of profit-taking (and ego-strutting) from the same kind of mentality who gave us profit-from-terror, snake oil and carnival barkers. But THIS! Dang, buy popcorn futures and sit back and watch the show!

I was listening to the interview with KC where Drake called in and couldn't be bothered to actually introduce himself first, but asked a question and then demanded that Kerry make note of his phone number. It seemed to me that his ego was shot down that she didn't want to hand over the microphone to him. The guy has gotten used to being the center of attention awful fast.

'The best and worst in people'. So, is this your very best?

[Ishtar]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Bill, well he is an aussie and I have a soft spot for them, so maybe he is backing me, LOL.

I'm a Brit with a South African hat and Canadian Parents, who was raised in West Africa. But when I was in Australia, even some of the Aussies thought I was an Aussie.



Re Drake, Nancy's post here summed up the situation perfectly:

So....let me get this straight...Drake is involved in a planned take down of the government and its unfair systems within a month or two at the most. With these HUGE changes and as busy as he is he still has time to start a lawsuit against Kerry or anyone else who doesn't believe him or has said something about him that he didn't like???? This is the final nail in the coffin as far as him having ANY believability whatsoever for me!!

He's a proponent of taking DOWN the system yet he will USE that system of NONjustice to hassle someone who has only stated their truths! Even if he doesn't follow through with a lawsuit, just the THREAT of it shows what kind of person he is. What a CROCK!!! My ambivalence towards Drake has now turned towards distaste. I don't respond well to any kind of intimidation and I would hope that others weren't so gleeful at the thought of Drake suing ANYONE who has spoken against him. Obviously he's not a believer in free speech other than for himself. It's absolutely disgusting!

The entire affair is a pantomime. I'm amazed that this is not obvious to everyone.

Yes, all of the above ... and what's ironic is that he's been hung by his own petard.

Drake stated clearly, and in a response to a direct question about it, that he wasn't associated with any Dragon group and specifically the White Dragon society.

Now he's threatening people who, through honest research found out that he was, with implied violence from the very Dragon group HE LIED ABOUT BEING AFFILIATED TO.

So so much for freedom of speech under a Drake regime.

I think Vivek should be knighted.