Freewill and the channel wars

[9eagle9]

Everything is about asking the right questions, which is how people get snared --by not questioning.

In this channeling paradigm you see the same 'don't question this' as you do any place else. The same "Don't question authority" as you do anyplace else.

There isn't anything ORIGIN-al or authentic. If we get hooked up with some deceptive entity and manage to have enough self honesty to admit it, we an always blame the entity.

'the devil made me do it'

That's pretty old and not authentic at all.

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Group C who joined Group B says that they have demons in their ranks.... Demons, people! Does that not bother anyone?

Lol - another group to potentially have to not believe.

I totally agree - question everything. This is the primary discipline for safety with this stuff.

[StarDust]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
That wasn't thinly veiled. You pretty much emphasize you fall out of your chosen role fairly easily for a higher dimensional being.

More than likely its because its not a state of being but a role that you have assumed.

I don't care if you can't accept the fact that I am who/what I am because I chose to volunteer to incarnate here on earth at this time to assist Gaia. It is not a role that I have "assumed" as you claim, it is my heritage that has been verified by far more advanced entities. So get over it (and yourself). The only thing I have "assumed" is lowering myself to a certain level as human to call a bully out for being a bully; which you do quite frequently with reckless abandon. You do this with words intended to diminish and with just enough sting to comply within forum rules. It is not appreciated by many - I received a vast number of PM's from others stating this when you did this to me on the Kettler thread. The bottom line is that I don't like your communication style, your demeanor, nor you. I'm sure the feeling is mutual and I have no desire to interact with you or your kind - Aegypius Monachus. Now, back into your pink bar of silence…the ignore list is such a marvelous feature!

Anchor, My sincere apologies for sidetracking your thread with nonsense. This will be my last comment on the matter as I now consider it closed.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Fence sitting sound better?

-- fence sitting on what? I didn't know there was any rules that people have to choose imaginary sides.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Everything is okay because it all has some truth in it.

-- I never said this sentence - try using quotes.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Everything is okay because all will be revealed 'soon' (which people have been saying for 2000 years)

again, I never said "everything will be ok because ... " anything. You are adding words, why do you need to do this? When I said "all will be revealed" I was referring to the development of your understanding. But I see sometimes old dogs can't learn new tricks.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
There is a little truth in everything (like that is good thing).

This is the same as the fist claim. Did you need three? It's ok, you can just make up some more words or duplicate some of the same points if you need - you do it anyway; can anyone figure out why? Like I said, I expect most at Avalon to be intelligent enough to understand a context, and give way too much credit for that. I believe changing a context to make it fit ones "rightness" is a named process in psychology.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
All temporizing , neutral statements intended to lull and dissuade people from criticizing any content.

can you please tell me how this works? I want to believe you but these just sound like words with no substance again. please explain how my "positive outlook" is designed to "lull and dissuade people from criticizing"? Please explain how it achieves this effect? There must be some scientific basis for your claims? Mechanism of action must be explainable if there is any truth to your words. Complete and utter nonsense.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Quick to react you may reread my post and note the rest of my remarks were directed at Stardust.

uh ya. established way back here.

Everything is about asking the right questions ...

And observing the lack of any legitimate answers. Good for identifying trolls too

[9eagle9]

It's programming, a means of temporizing to so that nothing is challenged, both of you are correct I DON"T have to accept anything without evidence.

And I'm not.

I can acknowledge I know what I'm seeing because I've seen it one zillion times before.

[RunningDeer]

Hello 9eagle9,

A simple thanks coming at you.

I’ve had to work beyond judgements, and be open to hear. Once I stepped back to see from the larger perspective, your delivery style dissolved.

On an inner level, your messages registered. There were times I was only able to chew on one sentence at a time. Then I’d go out with my researcher's cap, to disprove one of us; always hoping it was you.
(Oops, no surprise there.)

So, my approach to busting through the few firewalls, is with a new found honesty and clarity.

Peace and Hearts,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Everything is about asking the right questions, which is how people get snared --by not questioning.

In this channeling paradigm you see the same 'don't question this' as you do any place else. The same "Don't question authority" as you do anyplace else.

There isn't anything ORIGIN-al or authentic. If we get hooked up with some deceptive entity and manage to have enough self honesty to admit it, we an always blame the entity.

'the devil made me do it'

That's pretty old and not authentic at all.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It's programming, a means of temporizing to so that nothing is challenged, both of you are correct I DON"T have to accept anything without evidence.

And I'm not.

I can acknowledge I know what I'm seeing because I've seen it one zillion times before.

That doesn't answer my main question, let alone all of them.

Can you point me towards any research on this "technique" you speak of? I want you to show me evidence of how this programming achieves its effect. The mechanism of action with an explaination of how my "post" achieved this affect you speak of. Show me you are not a hypocritical troll that believes in this nonsense without evidence.? Where is your evidence?

It sounds like some sort of psychology and I do have a little formal training in psychology, but I have never heard about this. I did some searching, nothing. You surely don't just make all this BS up, do you? Impressing people with big words that don't mean a damn thing. Laughable.

[9eagle9]

Your main question wasn't a question.

I've responded that you have temporizing statements that appeals to 'its okay to do whatever we want cause there's no consequences'.. mindset. Which is consequence of listening to garbage junk messages.

I disagree.


I made it known that its all about asking the right questions in regards to channeling (rather than just agreeing about what is being said).

I've responded that yes there is some truth in garbage messages but enough to hook people into garbage.



A positive outlook does not mean we shouldn't question anything or disagree with the content of any given subject matter.


Positive nor negative has nothing to do with it.


Someone has disagreed with you and you feel like your question hasn't been answered.

Ask the right question instead of going with the reaction script.

Pout and re-act all you want and I still won't agree with you.

[9eagle9]

You are my evidence of how programming achieves its effect.

You are reacting to a challenge to your programmed belief.

I challenged your program with my disagreement. A program needs agreement for it to keep running.

If you were not so tightly identified with your belief then you'd not take it so personally. Your belief is not you. Somehow you've been led to think it is you.

It doesn't take much to pop someone out of the script.

It takes a little agreement to lull you into a beleif, it takes little disagreement to pop it out.

Stardust was very easy to pop out of their "I'm a supreme ultimate higher being' and pop them right back into the nastily little ugly of everyday human life.

I

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It's programming, a means of temporizing to so that nothing is challenged, both of you are correct I DON"T have to accept anything without evidence.

And I'm not.

I can acknowledge I know what I'm seeing because I've seen it one zillion times before.

That doesn't answer my main question, let alone all of them.

Can you point me towards any research on this "technique" you speak of? I want you to show me evidence of how this programming achieves its effect. The mechanism of action with an explaination of how my "post" achieved this affect you speak of. Show me you are not a hypocritical troll that believes in this nonsense without evidence.? Where is your evidence?

It sounds like some sort of psychology and I do have a little formal training in psychology, but I have never heard about this. I did some searching, nothing. You surely don't just make all this BS up, do you? Impressing people with big words that don't mean a damn thing. Laughable.

[Carmen]

Damn it all!! 9eagle9, I'm finally understanding your modis operandi!! Don't like it much but I understand it! I'm the chicken **** one watching from the sidelines in this, um, 'discussion'! Mostly rooting for the others! But now I'm seeing differently. Fascinating!!

[DeDukshyn]

I am humouring your disagreement. I just want you to explain the mechanism of action behind what you claim. Some research, some evidence, anything at all to show that your words are more than just your own delusions. The ball is in your court. It's easy just explain it and why you believe your nonsense?

Simple. The ball is in your court, feel free to support your fancy words with some evidence of how this works, if you can. Yet here you are on this thread telling others they need to have "evidence" You are a hypocrite.

BTW -- which "belief" am I defending here? And how have I defended it? You tell me. (see, you just have to ask the right questions)

Go back up and read all my posts.

In the end we will see that you do the same things you criticize others of doing. You want people to back up their words with some evidence. I Never defended a thing. Not once. I strongly encourage everyone reading here to go back and read all my posts on this thread so that the false assumptions and accusations in her last two posts can be observed.

[SKAWF]

Posted by Anchor (here)
What do you think about the idea that we have a "higher-self" ?

years ago i wouldve said i support the idea of a higher self
as id formed the belief that there had to be more to life than this, quite early on.

now i just see it as self.
and the operating frequency is determined by what i'm focusing my attention on at the time.

everything that i was..... broke one day.
i am what was left

[Anchor]

Posted by Carmen (here)
Damn it all!! 9eagle9, I'm finally understanding your modis operandi!! Don't like it much but I understand it! I'm the chicken **** one watching from the sidelines in this, um, 'discussion'! Mostly rooting for the others! But now I'm seeing differently. Fascinating!!

It tickles me to see the light-bulbs go on like this.

With 9eagle9, some people just start out assuming she is being a bitch or troll etc. Mostly those that don't get her "shaman" role.

That is wrong, ( well mostly - ha, ah )

How many times on this forum has 9eagle9 said: I can't tell you, but I can show you? And then proceeds to do just that.

We have seen these archetypal exchanges happen several times on this forum and they almost always go the same way.

Sure, sometimes its a little confronting to watch the process unfold - that says more about the observer than the observed - it says more about me when I feel that.

I do empathize with the people who get caught in it

this is on topic too, because its a question of free will, or in this case free wills.

Also, and this may be hard to swallow for some: service.

[DeDukshyn]

My children, 3 and 5, play this cute little game. I remember playing it too before I grew up.

One would follow the other around the house bugging the other. nothing major, just picking a little bit, nasty faces, etc. The instigator will even go into the other child's own room to continue this picking, teasing, bothering, annoying to the other. The goal? To make the other one "lose it" at which point the instigator declares them self the "imaginary" winner.

" ... and pop them right back into the nastily little ugly of everyday human life. "

Just add some words like "programming vector" and you can play these games as adults too.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Anchor (here)

Posted by Carmen (here)
Damn it all!! 9eagle9, I'm finally understanding your modis operandi!! Don't like it much but I understand it! I'm the chicken **** one watching from the sidelines in this, um, 'discussion'! Mostly rooting for the others! But now I'm seeing differently. Fascinating!!

It tickles me to see the light-bulbs go on like this.

With 9eagle9, some people just start out assuming she is being a bitch or troll etc. Mostly those that don't get her "shaman" role.

That is wrong, ( well mostly - ha, ah )

How many times on this forum has 9eagle9 said: I can't tell you, but I can show you? And then proceeds to do just that.

We have seen these archetypal exchanges happen several times on this forum and they almost always go the same way.

Sure, sometimes its a little confronting to watch the process unfold - that says more about the observer than the observed - it says more about me when I feel that.

I do empathize with the people who get caught in it

this is on topic too, because its a question of free will, or in this case free wills.

Also, and this may be hard to swallow for some: service.

It's a child's game Anchor. Why do you think she can't "tell us"? Because you can't tell a game - only play it. King Anthony played it, She plays it, there are several others here that contibute nothing substancial but just play games like these. Anyone with children or those who can recall being a child will also remember playing it before they grew up.

[Carmen]

Yes, it is a child's game and for the majority of people here it's not 'helpful'. At some point in spiritual training this lesson happens. It shocks the ego (including the spiritual ego) into taking stock. When we can be impersonal to attack, we know we are beyond it. What anyone does or says about us is none of our business. It's simply 'their story' they have made up about us, and it's a lie. We are our Selves, and our own business, our own knowing!

[DeDukshyn]

Let's leave the children's games to the children to play then.

[Carmen]

Yep, that's the only conclusion I come to with 'gameplayers'.

[DeDukshyn]

There's far better ways.

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by Carmen (here)
Yes, it is a child's game and for the majority of people here it's not 'helpful'. At some point in spiritual training this lesson happens. It shocks the ego (including the spiritual ego) into taking stock. When we can be impersonal to attack, we know we are beyond it. What anyone does or says about us is none of our business. It's simply 'their story' they have made up about us, and it's a lie. We are our Selves, and our own business, our own knowing!

Just to make a point here, this is also a little immature. Lies can also result in deaths, and spreading rumors can ruin lives. People aren't always so understanding and by passing the wrong information to others in the end what someone's opinion of you is can definitely make your life a living hell. Unless you have the patience of a Buddha and don't care whether you're beaten for what others think you might want to reconsider what you said. If you think being murdered due to a misunderstanding rather than attempting to correct it is the more mature response, well, um...more power to you I guess?

I would think it'd be best to try and figure out why someone thinks that about you and then attempt to show how they were incorrect rather than let people gossip freely behind your back. Unless you want to live as a hermit I guess? We're social animals, we can't deny what inevitably will happen if things are left to run their course unimpeded.

I think if that's a legitimate spiritual lesson it would only be one for highly advanced practitioners. Because I think the point is to show you have absolutely no attachment to the outside world and that isn't exactly something you'd expect from everyone...

[Carmen]

I know this is off your topic Anchor but I will answer the-vast-mystery! Thanks for the opportunity vast mystery.

Right, now I have to find the words cos there is really not a short answer to your post! I guess you could call me a bit of a hermit. I love living alone in my own space to be and do exactly what I want to do. I have family and friends but I am mainly alone and for me at this stage of my life it's fabulous!

When I said about the unhelpfulness of 9eagle9s manner of posting, this is my personal response to this type of posting. Many people on Avalon are not spiritually advanced and that is not their interest, but others are! and the wisdom and quality of their posts is extremely inspiring. Spiritual advancement is my passion and I've been at it intentionally for over thirty years. We start off exploring matters spiritual and I have always insisted upon utter freedom as to how, who and what I explore. Whatever the source, it's the quality of the info that matters to me. Also I like to see others with the same sense of freedom, not curtailed and warned constantly of listening to the wrong info or being wrong all the time. I never learned much from teachers who were not encouraging. Hell, on my journey I soaked up religion, theosophy, new age, old age, ancient wisdom, miles of channelled stuff, and I wouldn't have missed out any of it. It is all grist for the mill!!

I awoke through tragedy (my daughters death) ,but the journey I started on put me offside with most of my family and friends so I had much critisizism and gossip to contend with after the time of 'sorry for your tragedy' passed. That's what I mean by saying 'what someone else thinks and says about you is none of your business'! I dislike gossip intensely and mainly do not indulge in it.

Another aspect to this reply is that with spiritual advancement/understanding comes a corresponding vibrational change. One gets to the point of realizing that thoughts do create reality and more and more the guarding of thoughts and words becomes a sacred responsibility. Also fear disappears and with that we do not attract anything to be fearful about, whether it be gossip, thieves or murderers!! And just as negative gossipy people can be like a virus that infects a place so do peaceful, happy, enlightened people infect a home, an area, a country, and that is catchy too.

The 'many worlds' idea being discussed on the thread about Bashar, is very real to me. There are no accidents, nothing that I have not created in my life. Not that I haven't had ****ty stuff in my life, but actually that's where the best learnings were. I mainly don't have to be whacked over the head with a four by two to learn stuff nowadays!! And that's quite nice!