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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    I'll be happy to pick apart Gardner's material for what it's worth, but I honestly do not trust the guy. My main beef is the notion that the messianic bloodline started with Cain. That is the biggest load of bull**** I have ever heard. The lineage of Cain was the serpent seed, not the Dragon Bloodline. The Jesus Christ that lived on earth was a descendant of Seth, that aint a stab in the dark either (well, it is but not with the typical connotations). In my opinion, that is a huge discrepancy to attribute the messianic/dragon/grail bloodline to Cain and it's just the kind of deceptive tactics used to mix stuff up - a damn good way to do it too, difficult to remedy.

    Cain was the product of Eve and Saklas. That's the serpent seed, deluded righteousness. Kingship, monarchy. Nothing majestic about it. Bull****.

    There is no doubt valuable information in LGs work, but that's true for any good disinformation. It's that little percentage, that little discrepancy that infects the rest of the information leading people to lend prestige where none is due. Empowering the very forces that enslave us by misplacing our homage to the Truth.

    If I have misplaced my suspicions then please, help me to understand, I'm up for discussion in all seriousness. Excuse the fervor, but it looks to me as if his information is the equivalent of the twisted etymology/new egyptology-type distortion of information used by a lot of the people on the list in the OP.

    Might I point out that the notion of Cain being the first of the messianic lineage (I don't think he was, because he was of the serpent seed) is the same belief professed by the historical/spiritual ideologies of the Illuminati and Freemasonry. This is part of the reason they hold Lucifer in such high regards. The serpent was good, he liberated the first of humanity with knowledge, Cain was of "divine blood", royal blood. Don't think so. Serpent seed. Not Dragon.

    Again, if I have misunderstood something, please point it out. I am also going back over the material myself.
    Hi Vivek - I have been chasing much of this down the last few days - who is who, as in who might be "good guys" and who might be "bad guys" and I have found multiple conflicting stories in this regard. I don't think it is productive to start tossing out references with links,etc. at this point because it means dwelling within that world of good guys and bad guys (trying to figure it out so we can be sure we align with the right guys) which I see as the very dynamic which has mankind (and perhaps other beings as well) in their constant state of war.

    I will note that I found several references to "twins" and that each twin would represent things like creation / destruction. The twin serpents as depicted on the caduceus is an example of this.

    On the one hand, I can see wisdom in acceptance that we all have a little good and bad within each of us and yet, on the other hand, I personally align only with what I call Christ energies and at least from my "thinking mind" which I must utilize in the process of writing a post, I see no other "energy" to align with that makes any sense.

    Those who know me say, "Chester, your problem is you love everyone." They say that because I tend to trust all sorts of folks that later, at least in the view of many of my friends that have known me for years, end up "burning me" somehow.

    Please bare with me and read this true story.

    Once I was involved in a large business project where I unfortunately wound up being the leader guy and largest shareholder. In this project, I had brought in several friends, some of which I had known since childhood. After our first year, we partnered with some wealthy international businessmen from Europe and eventually there became an internal struggle between these "partners" and my "friends."

    Because I was the "decider" I made several decisions that were popular with one side and not the other. I never aligned with one particular side until we were presented a merger opportunity. I controlled the decision as to my position in ownership. The Europeans pushed for the merger. I agreed that the merger would be the best idea. Due to my large shareholder position, the merger would have made me a multimillionaire instantly.

    My friends, on the other hand implored me not to accept the merger. In this specific example, I decided that honoring the wishes of my friends was more important than doing what I wanted to do. In hindsight, it was clear to me that my friends were worried not just about their jobs, but their positions of power they held and the sense of self worth they derived from these positions within the small community our business was located.

    Anyways, my point is that I have examples in my life where I was in positions of power over others and in some cases, like the above example, I decided as to the wishes of others over my own best self interests. At other times in my life when I was in a position to make decisions that would effect myself and others, I chose selfishly.

    The point I am reaching here is that regardless of how things worked out, I was always much more comfortable with deciding along the lines of the wishes of others and when it came to decisions where there has been opposition within the group of others, I have always been happiest with siding with my friends.

    Now who are the good guys and who are the bad guys in the above story? If I had decided to accept the merger, it is certain that my friends would have been devolved out of the project as these friends were over paid and under qualified. They gained their positions due to friendship (and that they could be trusted... at least in the early stages of the project). But what they created was a block... a separation within a larger whole. And knowing their demise would likely occur, they used their power of "friendship" against me, the decider.

    Anyways, soon after I turned down the merger, the company began to lose ground to other competing companies. Companies that made the harder decisions which ensured their greater success. Our company all but died and was sold off and everyone lost within the group of friends including myself who lost the most when measuring the results financially.

    The fact is that if I had always made decisions based on the welfare of the company, I would have ended up quite wealthy and perhaps the company would still be thriving today. The other company that wanted to merge with us is, today, one of the largest, most respected companies within our industry.

    Additionally, What I found amongst the CEOs of the various competitors was their ability to make decisions that put the welfare of individuals within the organization secondary to the organization itself. I could have made those types of decisions but I hated being the person I was when I did so.

    This is why I say I align with the Christ energies (an example of this (to me) is putting others first, especially those who have proven themselves to be your friend when you need a friend, as the friends I am speaking about in the above story had done over and over and for years and years). When I have aligned with selfishness and/or devotion to an artificial entity (such as my former company) I do not enjoy life in the least.

    I hope to receive feedback for this post.

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    I think that's a good example of how the system is designed to encourage sociopathic behaviour instead of acting from the heart. Thus giving people the idea that in order to be successful one must be selfish, that success of course being nothing more than an illusion. In reality empathy is probably our biggest strength and you clearly have it justoneman.

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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    This is part of the reason they hold Lucifer in such high regards. The serpent was good, he liberated the first of humanity with knowledge,

    Lucifer talks a lot

    the trick is to not trust him


    so when he teaches his followers

    which would be the ptb

    that he is the liberator of mankind


    then remember what Christ called him

    a liar and the father of it

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    I think you have said it all xxxxxxx

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    This is part of the reason they hold Lucifer in such high regards. The serpent was good, he liberated the first of humanity with knowledge,


    Lucifer talks a lot

    the trick is to not trust him


    so when he teaches his followers

    which would be the ptb

    that he is the liberator of mankind


    then remember what Christ called him

    a liar and the father of it

    I am certain that was Satan that Jesus spoke about, not Lucifer.

    I cannot find one single reference where Jesus says this is Lucifer nor can I find one single reference where Jesus says Satan is Lucifer by another name and visa versa.

    Note: I am very open minded that they are indeed one and the same or that Satan is a form of (and perhaps one of many forms of) Lucifer as well as visa versa, I just cannot find one single reference of this coming from Jesus.

    If you know of any RedeZra, please, point them out for me.

    Good to see you too! I missed you. Take Care

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    I would have put this video on the first page, but I have only just recently become aware of it.

    http://projectavalon.net/resources/D...nterview_1.mp4

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    Names of Satan

    The Bible calls Satan by many different names. Each name has a slightly different meaning. The many other names for Satan give a fuller picture of who Satan is and what he does. There are more names for Satan in the Bible than for anyone else except Jesus Christ.
    Abaddon

    Hebrew name for Satan meaning “Destruction”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
    Accuser

    “Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, ‘Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.’” Revelation 12:10
    Adversary

    “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8
    Angel of light

    “And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.” 2 Corinthians 11:14
    Angel of the bottomless pit

    “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
    Anointed covering cherub

    "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones." Ezekiel 28:14
    Antichrist

    “And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” 1 John 4:3
    Apollyon

    Greek name for Satan meaning “Destroyer”. “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
    Beast

    “9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, ‘If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.’” Revelation 14:9,10 Who is the beast?
    Beelzebub

    “Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, ‘This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.’” Matthew 12:24
    Belial

    “And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?” 2 Corinthians 6:15
    Deceiver

    “So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9
    Devil

    “He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” 1 John 3:8
    Dragon

    “So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9
    Enemy

    “The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.” Matthew 13:39
    Evil one

    “I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.” John 17:15
    Father of lies

    “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44
    God of this age

    “Whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.” 2 Corinthians 4:4
    King of Babylon

    “That you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: ‘How the oppressor has ceased, The golden city ceased!’” Isaiah 14:4
    King of the bottomless pit

    “And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” Revelation 9:11
    King of Tyre

    "Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.”’” Ezekiel 28:12
    Lawless one

    “8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10
    Leviathan

    “In that day the LORD with His severe sword, great and strong,
    Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent,
    Leviathan that twisted serpent;
    And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.” Isaiah 27:1
    Liar

    “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44
    Little horn

    “ 9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.” Daniel 8:9-11
    Lucifer

    "12 How you are fallen from heaven,
    O Lucifer, son of the morning!
    How you are cut down to the ground,
    You who weakened the nations!
    13 For you have said in your heart:
    'I will ascend into heaven,
    I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
    I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
    On the farthest sides of the north;
    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
    I will be like the Most High.'” Isaiah 14:12-14
    Man of sin

    “3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4
    Murderer

    “44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.” John 8:44
    Power of darkness

    “13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13, 14
    Prince of the power of the air

    “1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience.” Ephesians 2:1,2
    Roaring lion

    “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8
    Rulers of the darkness

    “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12
    Ruler of demons

    “But some of them said, ‘He casts out demons by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.’” Luke 11:15
    Ruler of this world

    “31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” John 12:31,32
    Satan

    “And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan, and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to Him.” Mark 1:13
    Serpent of old

    “So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:9
    Son of perdition

    “3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4
    Star

    “Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.” Revelation 9:1
    Tempter

    “Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, ‘If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.’” Matthew 4:3
    Thief

    “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” John 10:10
    Wicked one

    “Above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.” Ephesians 6:16
    This list of names for Satan has been taken from the New King James Version of the Bible.
    There may be other names for Satan in the Bible. Please send me an email if you know of a name for Satan that I have missed.
    Very soon Satan will leave the spirit world that he has lived in for thousands of years. He will become visible to us and will claim that he is God. The Bible calls him the beast.
    http://www.markbeast.com/satan/names-of-satan.htm

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    From that same site, looked legit enough in this part:

    Lucifer, Satan and the Devil

    Lucifer, Satan and the Devil are three different names for the same angel. Lucifer refers to this angel when he lived in heaven. Satan and the Devil are names for this angel after he became evil and came to our earth. The Bible uses many names for Satan. Read the names of Satan to find more of his names.
    Lucifer

    Lucifer was created by God as a perfect angel. He was called Lucifer while he lived in heaven. After he sinned and persistently refused to repent he was thrown out of heaven. When Lucifer was cast out of heaven he lost his name Lucifer and he became known as Satan. The history of Satan tells his story.
    Satan and the Devil

    Satan is the name that is used for Lucifer after he was thrown out of heaven. He is also called the devil. Satan is now a sinful, fallen angel. He has lived on this earth for about 6,000 years. But Satan has lived in the spirit world and most of the time he has not been visible to people on earth. Very soon the devil will leave the spirit world and will appear on earth in a visible form. Then he will be called the beast.
    The beast

    The beast is the name that the Bible gives to Satan when he comes to earth visibly and claims to be God. Satan will appear on earth as a glorious, visible being. He will have the appearance of God. He will require the whole world to worship him as their god.
    To learn more about the beast read who is the beast?

    I will say that I do not go by this 6000 year aspect. The biblical info though about his names seems fair enough.

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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    Lucifer talks a lot

    the trick is to not trust him


    then remember what Christ called him

    a liar and the father of it

    I am certain that was Satan that Jesus spoke about, not Lucifer.

    I cannot find one single reference where Jesus says this is Lucifer nor can I find one single reference where Jesus says Satan is Lucifer by another name and visa versa.


    If you know of any RedeZra, please, point them out for me.

    Good to see you too! I missed you. Take Care

    Justoneman

    hi there


    satan in Hebrew means adversary opposer or accuser

    and devil from Greek diabolos means the same


    so it's just an epithet of this former chief cherub

    who became blinded by his brilliance

    and wanted to dethrone God his Creator


    he was in Eden talking to Eve

    and has probably presented himself to humanity under several names


    what is his God given name ?

    maybe it is Helel god of hel or maybe not



    "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer [Helel] , son of the morning! [How] you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

    For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;

    I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'

    Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. - Isaiah 14:12 -15



    all the best
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    Hmmm... This is a post by Bearcow on another thread.
    I came across this site that some interesting posts by a member called eyecanblackstars

    http://www.symbolicliving.com/forum/...ni-Fraternitus.

    I want to reference this particular quote by eyecanblackstars

    Quote "For instance I just started to think that we can develop our own Po or earthly spirits using sex magic, which normally would have to be selected from a field of ancestor spirits or dead animals, which is a burden. So by using Saturn magic you can develop new earthly ghost spirits to achieve faster evolution. "
    For people who do not know what the po is, it is part of the astral body that regulates the animalistic functions of the human organism. IE breathing, hunger, sex drive etc. Addictions come about because the hunger of the Po becomes so strong that it overrides the higher functions of conscious mind and controls the behavior of the individual. If you want to label a part of your being/ego as being negative, this would be the place to start.

    In the path i practice we are instructed to dissolve the po, if it is not dealt with at some point, it will be more of a detriment as its appetites interfere with the development of detachment and equanimity.

    Now lets say you wanted to forever become part of the ruling class of this world. You would need to cut yourself off from the higher aspects of your being but still remain alive. You would need the Po to become so strong that it can live separately from the physical body and the higher self. Some of the things you can strengthen the po by ?

    Sex magic, ritual sacrifice

    Master jiang spoke of black magicians in Malaysia practicing a form of vampirism on people that was a big problem there. Im not saying these people were Members of a Saturn cult, but the methods and aims are basically the same.

    another quote from EyeCanBlackStars

    Quote All these represent things of ancestors. Ancestors want something and if they don't get it, they curse and hinder the individuals life. These ancestors are selfish, possessive, very skillful, yet not open to reason. These are ghosts, or jinns. They cause suffering, and damage our natural ability to enjoy life.
    Everyone has a energetic connection to their ancestors, but those who are bred specifically in one genetic line, (IE inbreeding) have a stronger connection to their ancestors. Part of the reason the elite inbreed is that their ancestors have a easier time influencing their decision making processes. They can become slaves to the will of their fore bearers.

    Another quote

    Quote Saturn is the basis for racism. Saturn limits our evolution. Earthly spirits do not want us to learn evolution because then they will not resonate well with our bodies and wont be able to control our lives to our detriment or other's detriment
    .

    and another...

    Quote Sex magic using higher consciousness can create new lower consciousness beings and forms. Sex without higher consciousness leads to earthly spirits being invigorated through sacrifice(sacrifice of sex). Because these beings are under the realm of Saturn, (duties) (bodily processes) (earthly manifestation; which is the collaboration of countless entities and conscious forms) Saturn Sex Magic is the key to evolution. We do not need sex magic for evolution of higher bodies, but if our higher bodies cannot resonate on our bodies or brain enough to guide us, then our ancestor selfish ghost bodies will keep on ruining our lives and evolution
    This is a very dangerous path, i DO NOT recommend it

    Gonna stop here, i hope people will start looking more into this.
    Read full post here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Cult-of-Saturn

    Fire and Ice - The Brotherhood of Saturn: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post503151
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    Thank You RedZra and Unified Serenity.

    I had a wild idea... imagine having Lucifer cohabitate in one's body and then decide to "side with" humanity, no matter our fate? Is that twisting up the twisted? Apologies I come up with such ideas.

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    Yo Vivek - seriously... what about the "reports" that Seth gave the kabbalah to humanity? Is it possible the kabbalah could be good? Or is the kabbalah a tool of the satanists and perhaps the reports as to the actual author (or giver) are lies?

    A few things that smell to me about the Kabbalah is the word itself - kabbalah close to kabbal close to cabal.

    Another thing that bothers me about those types of "keys" is the complexity. Somehow I do not see a loving creator making life all that complicated to figure out.

    But still, why would Seth (the purported ancestor of Jesus) be attributed with providing the kabbalah to humanity?

    This one bugs me. Please, weigh in.

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    Thank You RedZra and Unified Serenity.

    I had a wild idea... imagine having Lucifer cohabitate in one's body and then decide to "side with" humanity, no matter our fate? Is that twisting up the twisted? Apologies I come up with such ideas.

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    Yo Vivek - seriously... what about the "reports" that Seth gave the kabbalah to humanity? Is it possible the kabbalah could be good? Or is the kabbalah a tool of the satanists and perhaps the reports as to the actual author (or giver) are lies?

    A few things that smell to me about the Kabbalah is the word itself - kabbalah close to kabbal close to cabal.

    Another thing that bothers me about those types of "keys" is the complexity. Somehow I do not see a loving creator making life all that complicated to figure out.

    But still, why would Seth (the purported ancestor of Jesus) be attributed with providing the kabbalah to humanity?

    This one bugs me. Please, weigh in.

    justone
    The Kabbalah came from the first Babylonian captivity we went into because of our stiff necked ways. We mingled Babylonian magick and mysticism with the truth and it's been passed down. Historically because the first born received the double blessing, it was a gift for the second born son. I do not think it had anything to do with Seth.

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    I'll be happy to pick apart Gardner's material for what it's worth, but I honestly do not trust the guy. My main beef is the notion that the messianic bloodline started with Cain. That is the biggest load of bull**** I have ever heard. The lineage of Cain was the serpent seed, not the Dragon Bloodline. The Jesus Christ that lived on earth was a descendant of Seth, that aint a stab in the dark either (well, it is but not with the typical connotations). In my opinion, that is a huge discrepancy to attribute the messianic/dragon/grail bloodline to Cain and it's just the kind of deceptive tactics used to mix stuff up - a damn good way to do it too, difficult to remedy.

    Cain was the product of Eve and Saklas. That's the serpent seed, deluded righteousness. Kingship, monarchy. Nothing majestic about it. Bull****.

    There is no doubt valuable information in LGs work, but that's true for any good disinformation. It's that little percentage, that little discrepancy that infects the rest of the information leading people to lend prestige where none is due. Empowering the very forces that enslave us by misplacing our homage to the Truth.

    If I have misplaced my suspicions then please, help me to understand, I'm up for discussion in all seriousness. Excuse the fervor, but it looks to me as if his information is the equivalent of the twisted etymology/new egyptology-type distortion of information used by a lot of the people on the list in the OP.

    Might I point out that the notion of Cain being the first of the messianic lineage (I don't think he was, because he was of the serpent seed) is the same belief professed by the historical/spiritual ideologies of the Illuminati and Freemasonry. This is part of the reason they hold Lucifer in such high regards. The serpent was good, he liberated the first of humanity with knowledge, Cain was of "divine blood", royal blood. Don't think so. Serpent seed. Not Dragon.

    Again, if I have misunderstood something, please point it out. I am also going back over the material myself.
    Hi Vivek - I have been chasing much of this down the last few days - who is who, as in who might be "good guys" and who might be "bad guys" and I have found multiple conflicting stories in this regard. I don't think it is productive to start tossing out references with links,etc. at this point because it means dwelling within that world of good guys and bad guys (trying to figure it out so we can be sure we align with the right guys) which I see as the very dynamic which has mankind (and perhaps other beings as well) in their constant state of war.

    I will note that I found several references to "twins" and that each twin would represent things like creation / destruction. The twin serpents as depicted on the caduceus is an example of this.

    On the one hand, I can see wisdom in acceptance that we all have a little good and bad within each of us and yet, on the other hand, I personally align only with what I call Christ energies and at least from my "thinking mind" which I must utilize in the process of writing a post, I see no other "energy" to align with that makes any sense.

    Those who know me say, "Chester, your problem is you love everyone." They say that because I tend to trust all sorts of folks that later, at least in the view of many of my friends that have known me for years, end up "burning me" somehow.

    Please bare with me and read this true story.

    Once I was involved in a large business project where I unfortunately wound up being the leader guy and largest shareholder. In this project, I had brought in several friends, some of which I had known since childhood. After our first year, we partnered with some wealthy international businessmen from Europe and eventually there became an internal struggle between these "partners" and my "friends."

    Because I was the "decider" I made several decisions that were popular with one side and not the other. I never aligned with one particular side until we were presented a merger opportunity. I controlled the decision as to my position in ownership. The Europeans pushed for the merger. I agreed that the merger would be the best idea. Due to my large shareholder position, the merger would have made me a multimillionaire instantly.

    My friends, on the other hand implored me not to accept the merger. In this specific example, I decided that honoring the wishes of my friends was more important than doing what I wanted to do. In hindsight, it was clear to me that my friends were worried not just about their jobs, but their positions of power they held and the sense of self worth they derived from these positions within the small community our business was located.

    Anyways, my point is that I have examples in my life where I was in positions of power over others and in some cases, like the above example, I decided as to the wishes of others over my own best self interests. At other times in my life when I was in a position to make decisions that would effect myself and others, I chose selfishly.

    The point I am reaching here is that regardless of how things worked out, I was always much more comfortable with deciding along the lines of the wishes of others and when it came to decisions where there has been opposition within the group of others, I have always been happiest with siding with my friends.

    Now who are the good guys and who are the bad guys in the above story? If I had decided to accept the merger, it is certain that my friends would have been devolved out of the project as these friends were over paid and under qualified. They gained their positions due to friendship (and that they could be trusted... at least in the early stages of the project). But what they created was a block... a separation within a larger whole. And knowing their demise would likely occur, they used their power of "friendship" against me, the decider.

    Anyways, soon after I turned down the merger, the company began to lose ground to other competing companies. Companies that made the harder decisions which ensured their greater success. Our company all but died and was sold off and everyone lost within the group of friends including myself who lost the most when measuring the results financially.

    The fact is that if I had always made decisions based on the welfare of the company, I would have ended up quite wealthy and perhaps the company would still be thriving today. The other company that wanted to merge with us is, today, one of the largest, most respected companies within our industry.

    Additionally, What I found amongst the CEOs of the various competitors was their ability to make decisions that put the welfare of individuals within the organization secondary to the organization itself. I could have made those types of decisions but I hated being the person I was when I did so.

    This is why I say I align with the Christ energies (an example of this (to me) is putting others first, especially those who have proven themselves to be your friend when you need a friend, as the friends I am speaking about in the above story had done over and over and for years and years). When I have aligned with selfishness and/or devotion to an artificial entity (such as my former company) I do not enjoy life in the least.

    I hope to receive feedback for this post.

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    Cain is not in Adam's lineage at all. Cain is the son of Satan. Look up the parable of the sewer. One sowed good seed and one sewed bad seed. He was cursed and marked so none should kill him. His descendents are with us today many proclaiming to be Jews and they are not. They are Kenites. They love to change names as well. That's one way to track their work and deeds. They cannot sew seed, they are vagabonds, and tent dwellers having no true roots. They mimic the children of eth ha Adam. They love to work their way into the house of God. They are the scribes and pharisees, and Jesus told them openly who they were, and they killed him for it. That too was a prophecy for Satan would bruise his heel but he will crush Satan's head, oh what a glorious day that will be.

    The Kenites are the sons of Cain / Kayin more correctly. They are the Kayinites. They changed their name to Rechabites, and in Jeremiah 35 we see when they moved into Judea, Judah's land, and began calling themselves Jews. There is NO way Yeshua comes from Cain's lineage, and to suggest it is the height of deception.

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    The lineage of Jesus -

    http://www.ldolphin.org/2adams.html

    A condensed version of some “big names”

    ADAM (1)
    "The Son of God" and The First Adam
    SETH (2)
    NOAH (10)
    ENOCH (7)
    ABRAHAM (21)
    DAVID (34)
    SOLOMON (snuck in there by the Masons?)

    (14) JESUS (77) The Son of God and the Last Adam

    and then -

    The sources of my confusion (I know Wikipedia is made from public contributions and is in no way fully reliable)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth

    Seth (Hebrew: שֵׁת, Standard Šet, Tiberian Šēṯ; Arabic: شيث‎ ****h or Shiyth; "Placed; appointed"), in Judaism, Christianity and Islam, was the third son of Adam and Eve and brother of Cain and Abel, who were the only other of their children mentioned by name. According to Genesis 4:25, Seth was born after the slaying of Abel by Cain, and Eve believed God had appointed him as a replacement for Abel.

    Rashi (Rabbi Shlomo Yitzhaqi) refers to Seth as the ancestor of Noah and hence the father of all mankind, all other humans having perished in the Great Flood.

    In gnosticism, Seth is seen as a replacement given by God for Abel, whom Cain had slain. It is said that late in life, Adam gave Seth secret teachings that would become the kabbalah. The Zohar refers to Seth as "ancestor of all the generations of the tzaddikim" (Hebrew: righteous ones).[3]

    According to Seder Olam Rabbah, based on Jewish reckoning, he was born in 130 AM. According to Aggadah, he had 33 sons and 23 daughters. According to the Seder Olam Rabbah, he died in 1042 AM.


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    It appears Seth had lots of sex but would we suggest he was "addicted"? Perhaps that was normal back then? Perhaps good sex helped one attain that "firing up of the kundalini" thing? Does that mean one might become addicted?

    And the Kabbalah... again, good or bad? I know Crowley and friends were heavily into it.

    I have found some growth through studying the Kabbalah but have been concerned because of some of these posts from folks I highly respect that Kabbalah is "satanic" and I prefer to have nothing at all whatsoever with satanism.

    justoneconfusedman

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    I don't agree with everything this author has concluded, but some good stuff is in there.

    Harvesting the Disconnected - The Alien agenda for Mankind.

    Table of Contents is on page three.


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    Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

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    I have gone back and re-read some of Daniele Dal Bosco's material. It has become even more intriguing in light of this thread, and Houman's.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Personal-Views

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    .....well if you live for a thousand years , and one is just marginally healthy in their sexual activities one is going to have a lot of sex...lol. That doesn't necessarily mean sexual addition. Having lots of sex period doesn't always mean sexual addiction.

    And a lot of kids.

    Going back to bloodlines and the passing of mitochondrial DNA and what sort of magickal genetics it may pass along, its always passed down through the Maternal Side. Only men are listed it appears but if Jesus has something special going on it would have come down through his maternal side. (yeah you know mary whatsis that virgin chick *mumblemumble*)

    On the same note, Mary is also granted strangely high status from an institution that has reveled in the suppression of woman and their mitochondrial expression., Mary was given her due but for all the wrong reasons. It's scary to have Mary be the Holy Grail, the bearer of mitochondrial DNA, much safer to assign her goddess status as the bearer of Jesus Christ. In the last several decades more emphasis has been given to the women surrounding Jesus, his mother, his grandmother, and then Mary Magdalene. In all other respects sainted women in the church are seldom granted status based on the miracles they performed. If a miracle is present its always framed in the the expression of forebearance they had towards persecution. "They cut off her breasts (weirdly symbolic) but she denied the devil, lived, and then died. Basically women were sainted by putting up with for patriarchal bull**** (as long as it wasn't Christian based patriarchal bull****).

    On the flip side of the coin is something I've never really explored. We know about the weird counter opposing values of women as perceived by our conventional religions---the womb, the grail, the chalice, mothers of god but at the same time women were bearers of ORIGIN-al sin. A Goddess and a Demon all at once. Origins relating to Genesis or rather, Genetics. I presume this mitochondrial circumstances was (is) somehow a threat to the emergent patriachal powers . What was holy was made a sin by ......those who feared it. Feared it ...why?

    That unexplored part is the superstitious prohibition about the spilling of man's seed which resulted in the hysteria over masturbation. Why such hysteria over a little spilled milk? Because that was the perception of where male power lie at, that deciding factor. What if someone who was clever with genetics managed to get themselves a sperm sample and do something naughty with it?

    Even though men decide the sex of the child (who will carry mitochondrial dna) astrological and alchemical practices also can ensure that child's sex can be manipulated. Astrology being so poorly misunderstood as a alchemical science language and a reference guide to building a person, doesn't fully explore how easy it is to 'build' a person.

    What most of our astrolgers don't understand is that astrology is in part a map to dna and genetic building, its also a map to genetic and dna coding. This certainly could work to someone's advantage if they didn't get so hung up on astrology as the spear of destiny. not being endoctrinated in astrology I began noticing astrology in the alchemical sense instead of the charting, destiny sense.

    Shamanic studies of inner revelation always begin with looking inside and out to see where you came from to unlock one's shamanic expressions. A shaman nearly always is expressed as a shaman before that knowledge reaches a conscious level and this sort of genetic study is to find out how and where that expression came about.

    Even the most vaunted astrologists in the world have very little clue as to what they are reading. No doubt why Jesus' actual birthdate has remained un-fixed and was moved to another point of expression on the calendar. If you can know a birthdate you can hone in on the all important times of conception and the stages of gestation that make certain genetic determinations such as the sex of a child. ...among other things.

    Unfortunately one cannot have these sorts of explorations with an astrologist because they are so attached to it as a surface knowledge rather a deep inner mapping. A Chinese astrologer is a different matter, they know that astrology is mapped on one's physical body even.


    Women carry mitochondrial DNA, Men decide what sex the child will be. When men got hold of that knowledge that is how the patriarchal paradigm was born. This is supposed to be balance betwist the sexes , the woman bears it the man has a hand in deciding how its to be passed down. A woman had hand in deciding what man was going to be doing the deciding for her (marriage) and is she were no body's fool she would choose wisely . Until that choice was taken from them and there was arranged marriages. In Celtic lore and Culture the woman called the shots, she might very well pick men to father her children and then enter into what we know as a marriage arrangement with an entirely different man for this reason. A man might support the lines of the mitochondrial physically but be a poor father figure. A woman who came into marriage having already provided children to the husband-father was honored not scorned and she was considered a real prize. Before the Celtic Isles were invaded and assimilated, the Celts had more of a pragmatic balance to their culture particularly where familial relationships were concerned.

    For those bloodlines that carry certain abilities and enabledness if one didn't choose wisely of their partner, children that were of lower intelligence were born, introducing inferior genetics into the purer bloodline.

    The Tree of Life, the Kabbalah, and the plain old street level perception of family tree is very interesting. And perhaps that is what the Tree of Life is really all about is one's family, genetics, bloodline and history.

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    The lineage of Jesus -

    http://www.ldolphin.org/2adams.html

    A condensed version of some “big names”

    ADAM (1)
    "The Son of God" and The First Adam
    SETH (2)
    NOAH (10)
    ENOCH (7)
    ABRAHAM (21)
    DAVID (34)
    SOLOMON (snuck in there by the Masons?)

    (14) JESUS (77) The Son of God and the Last Adam

    and then -

    The sources of my confusion (I know Wikipedia is made from public contributions and is in no way fully reliable)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth

    Seth (Hebrew: שֵׁת, Standard Šet, Tiberian Šēṯ; Arabic: شيث‎ ****h or Shiyth; "Placed; appointed"), in Judaism, Christianity and Islam, was the third son of Adam and Eve and brother of Cain and Abel, who were the only other of their children mentioned by name. According to Genesis 4:25, Seth was born after the slaying of Abel by Cain, and Eve believed God had appointed him as a replacement for Abel.

    Rashi (Rabbi Shlomo Yitzhaqi) refers to Seth as the ancestor of Noah and hence the father of all mankind, all other humans having perished in the Great Flood.

    In gnosticism, Seth is seen as a replacement given by God for Abel, whom Cain had slain. It is said that late in life, Adam gave Seth secret teachings that would become the kabbalah. The Zohar refers to Seth as "ancestor of all the generations of the tzaddikim" (Hebrew: righteous ones).[3]

    According to Seder Olam Rabbah, based on Jewish reckoning, he was born in 130 AM. According to Aggadah, he had 33 sons and 23 daughters. According to the Seder Olam Rabbah, he died in 1042 AM.


    Comments -

    It appears Seth had lots of sex but would we suggest he was "addicted"? Perhaps that was normal back then? Perhaps good sex helped one attain that "firing up of the kundalini" thing? Does that mean one might become addicted?

    And the Kabbalah... again, good or bad? I know Crowley and friends were heavily into it.

    I have found some growth through studying the Kabbalah but have been concerned because of some of these posts from folks I highly respect that Kabbalah is "satanic" and I prefer to have nothing at all whatsoever with satanism.

    justoneconfusedman

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    .....well if you live for a thousand years , and one is just marginally healthy in their sexual activities one is going to have a lot of sex...lol. That doesn't necessarily mean sexual addition. Having lots of sex period doesn't always mean sexual addiction.

    And a lot of kids.

    Going back to bloodlines and the passing of mitochondrial DNA and what sort of magickal genetics it may pass along, its always passed down through the Maternal Side. Only men are listed it appears but if Jesus has something special going on it would have come down through his maternal side. (yeah you know mary whatsis that virgin chick *mumblemumble*)

    On the same note, Mary is also granted strangely high status from an institution that has reveled in the suppression of woman and their mitochondrial expression., Mary was given her due but for all the wrong reasons. It's scary to have Mary be the Holy Grail, the bearer of mitochondrial DNA, much safer to assign her goddess status as the bearer of Jesus Christ. In the last several decades more emphasis has been given to the women surrounding Jesus, his mother, his grandmother, and then Mary Magdalene. In all other respects sainted women in the church are seldom granted status based on the miracles they performed. If a miracle is present its always framed in the the expression of forebearance they had towards persecution. "They cut off her breasts (weirdly symbolic) but she denied the devil, lived, and then died. Basically women were sainted by putting up with for patriarchal bull**** (as long as it wasn't Christian based patriarchal bull****).
    I was hoping someone would see that this "bloodline" link I found seemed concerned more with the male lineage...

    "Strange that," I thought.

    also -

    I did not consider Seth's age... so I guess that's not all that many kids (and thus not all that much sex can be implied as having been partaken in)

    Though I am of the opinion that a healthy sex life assists in firing up the kundalini and openning that third eye a bit more... ok, maybe I should say - in my opinion, lots of healthy sex can assist one in awakening to one's psi abilities.

    Can't speak for anyone else, but that's what helped me... done after breaking through the wacky conditioning I had to first dismantle.

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