Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Christine]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Christine,

Why should this thread be deemed no longer useful just when the story is reaching its climax? I've just been listening to Drake and Rick Light explaining how it's now time for everyone to 'git her done', in complete contradistinction to what he was saying only a week or so ago about sitting back and watching the fireworks as the cavalry will do everything.

He is repeating today what he was saying on Sunday, that it is up to the people now and that they have to act now, with around three million militia men in readiness to act.

Why are some of you so uncomfortable about this discussion that you want to close the thread? If you don't think these discussions are of value, you don't have to come in here and read the posts.

Why are some of the mods always so quick to blame the 'naysayers' for 'hurling insults' when all they are doing is standing up for themselves when they are falsely accused by others? It was Dennis that said I was being 'silly and irrational' over a post he hadn't even read properly, and refused to re-read when I PM'ed him and Bill about their taking my quote and misrepresenting it. I haven't had a reply to my PM, nor an apology for misrepresenting me.

If you want to bring everyone together, then it would be preferable not to start by coming down on one side against the other. Both sides get heated, especially when they're misunderstood and misquoted.

But you don't need our permission... if you want to close the thread at this vital stage of the Drake drama, you have the right do so. But so long as it's here, people will discuss what's going on because it's not over yet by any means.

Hi Ishtar,

It is so difficult to carefully choose words that get the message across and to not have them misrepresented. I will try my best to answer what you ask and to clarify any misconceptions.

If the Drake thread continues is not up to me and I wouldn't vote to shut it down, as I have previously stated it has served us if we have achieved some understanding or learned something from the discussions.

I am not uncomfortable with the discussions at all - I have also voiced my opinion that Drake was either being used or deluded and the effect was to draw people away from more important problems confronting us. I actually agree with a lot of what you have written.

I do not believe I have taken sides.. I suppose if you want to divide us down a straight line I would be on your side of the Drake equation.

The purpose of my post was to ask that everyone - no one was called out - to take a few moments to consider the reason we are here on Project Avalon. There are no absolute rights or wrongs, only subjective experiences and hopefully the desire to share and be heard but also to listen and learn.

I can't answer for Dennis or Bill and it is not my place to even try. I would suggest a wee bit of patience. There is a lot going on elsewhere besides this thread.

If everyone would stop insulting each other - the mods could get on to other business, the thread will continue until it stops serving its purpose and we all can breath a sigh of relief.

My desire is that the discussion continues without the insults. That is all I have to say in a nutshell.

Thanks for all your contributions Ishtar.

Christine

[foreverfan]

Close the thread? You've got to be kidding me. The odds still looks 50/60 to me.


Drake Sunday Part 2 - Call to Action
Mon, July 16, 2012 07:00PM

So sorry our program was abruptly and mysteriously ended and there was no way to schedule another program Sunday. We will attempt to continue the news program this evening. Again, so sorry, this was out of our control.

[9eagle9]

What is the common denominator between one year to the next in spite of the differences?

Or more importantly what has changed precisely to make things different?

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
These sorts of admissions make things much clearer to me.

Careful, though, 9eagle9.

Just because I was an idiot last year, doesn't mean I can't be a different kind of idiot this year.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
What is the common denominator between one year to the next in spite of the differences?

Or more importantly what has changed precisely to make things different?

Beat's me, 9eagle9.

[9eagle9]

So what is the essential common denominator between one frenzy raising guru we see with monotonous regularity, and the next?

Nothing they say ever happens.

The same people jump on the bandwagon each time.

The same people bawl those who don't jump on the bandwagon with them are negative and uneducated and insenstive.

The bandwagon never moves.

The same people climb off the bandwagon muttering about the the need for more sensitivity training in the world.

Another band wagon shows up....

But no one knows why nothing ever happens.

Because they keep doing the same thing over and over and over again.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Another band wagon shows up....

But no one knows why nothing ever happens.

[9eagle9]

Yes! Riding the coat tails of yet another verbal but essentially empty guru is beating a dead horse.
Yet in two months time we'll see it all over again.

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Another band wagon shows up....

But no one knows why nothing ever happens.

[gripreaper]

LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

[foreverfan]

Good show with some great callers that asked some hard questions. Seems there are a lot of pissed people at the Government and are willing to take action, so we shall see. No shortage of callers. Drake does a good job of answering all questions. He certainly doesn't sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about or uninformed.

Evidently there are some Americans that still take Drake seriously even if this forum doesn't. The show continues.

If you are interested in the details, I suggest you listen to the audio.

[Christine]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

Don't worry - thread is open! Lets keep in interesting, I'm all for it!

[foreverfan]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

Yea Grim... it seems a few of us are listening. I keep waiting for Drake to sound like Bill Wood but much to his credit, he answers all questions like an informed individual. Whether you believe him are not, you have to admit, he does seem well prepared.

Seems they have been contacting the state militia groups. If the state militia groups get involved then maybe arrests will start to happen. One thing is for sure, there is enough people to throw in jail. Once it starts, who knows what will happen. Still... all of this stuff is so hard to believe.

Drake says he ain't going anywhere cause there is so much to be done.

[gripreaper]

Well, Drake just said there were critical people who did not show up at Bildergerger because the ET's snatched them!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

If this is a psy-op (as per Dennis's post here, I'm sure Drake is silly but sincere) -- it may be part of a strategy to justify rounding up all the militia and herding thousands of them straight into the FEMA camps as slam-dunk-proven domestic terrorists.

Remember Doug Hagmann's important article, and several interviews, in early May? He spoke of a senior DHS insider source who had told him that civil unrest was going to be deliberately provoked before the end of the summer.

http://infowars.com/we-are-preparing...-dhs-informant

I agree... we should not close this thread.

[Carmody]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

If this is a psy-op (as per Dennis's post here, I'm sure Drake is silly but sincere) -- it may be part of a strategy to justify rounding up all the militia and herding thousands of them straight into the FEMA camps as slam-dunk-proven domestic terrorists.

Remember Doug Hagmann's interview with Alex Jones? He spoke of an insider source who had told him that civil unrest was going to be deliberately provoked before the end of the summer.

I agree... we should not close this thread.

In any war that goes from hidden to open.. you almost always loose your best first, as the ones who realize the realities and coming realities.... must hold the line so it does not go down the tubes..while the rest are waking up.

[foreverfan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
LOL. This is just getting interesting. Drake is going to teach people how to do arrests!

The people are going to organize into militias and do citizens arrests. Please don't close this thread.

If this is a psy-op (as per Dennis's post here, I'm sure Drake is silly but sincere) -- it may be part of a strategy to justify rounding up all the militia and herding thousands of them straight into the FEMA camps as slam-dunk-proven domestic terrorists.


Remember Doug Hagmann's interview with Alex Jones? He spoke of an insider source who had told him that civil unrest was going to be deliberately provoked before the end of the summer.

I agree... we should not close this thread.

Well maybe... just maybe... but what happens with the Military/Police/FBI and such wake up and refuse to fight Americans and/or state militia groups? You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. This is America and we hold out Freedom dear.

Many American know something is wrong and may be willing to follow a freedom movement. The "Throw the Bums Out" mentality is strong among Americans. Sure it's a long shot... One this is for sure... these people seem sincere.

If no arrest happen in 2 weeks.... forget it. LOL

[Carmody]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes! Riding the coat tails of yet another verbal but essentially empty guru is beating a dead horse.
Yet in two months time we'll see it all over again.

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Another band wagon shows up....

But no one knows why nothing ever happens.

There is one advantage to the loss of 'steam', as it where. A larger and larger group of people who are harder to fool.

Those who get fooled, don't just fade away, even though they may not be heading into physical impetus the way they might have been. give them a few months. Let their brains rumble and roil, let them take on an understanding of what it means to be fooled, or led astray by their own projections.

They'll come back even stronger and more discerning and twice as committed.

They will only be a far more directed and effective arrow, if and when the time comes.

Psychologically speaking, I've been at this since I was 13, ie the idea that the truth and the realities are hidden, and this world is a sheen of..something. Nearly 35 years now. I know what I'm talking about.

What I mean is I know people who have given up on all the conspiracy stuff, or whatever, or never really got into it, at all. Even those people are ready to explode at the slightest provocation.

We are standing at the edge again.

[foreverfan]

[QUOTE=Bill Ryan;522627]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Remember Doug Hagmann's important article, and several interviews, in early May? He spoke of a senior DHS insider source who had told him that civil unrest was going to be deliberately provoked before the end of the summer.

http://infowars.com/we-are-preparing...-dhs-informant

Well like I've said before... if you are the Police/Military/Militia do you wait until a civil war or do you take the Cabal out now?

[Avocadess]

Regarding the contention that Drake is sincere but that he is being used in a psy op to round people up for FEMA camps -- I disagree, because there is nothing he has said or done that would cause people to meekly go ANYWHERE with armed police or troops. Personally, ever since Katrina I made up a policy for myself, and that is if and when anyone with a gun or rifle tells me to go anywhere, I'm going the opposite direction -- and they can shoot me in the back if they like, but I am NOT cooperating...!!!

I would like to clarify my statement from yesterday or the day before where I said I couldn't follow Drake's example because of the violence. I did NOT mean to imply that Drake is advocating violence, because he is NOT -- and he reminds people to remain calm and he reminds the civilian militia not to shoot at anyone without clarity and good reason and having been first attacked themselves. That is all well and good to me, but the reason I cannot listen to him much anymore is because he talks about how he would enjoy seeing certain evil members of the dark Cabal hang -- and how he would enjoy watching them hang. I can understand that Drake must have traumas from Vietnam that are not entirely resolved and that this violent anger comes from having witnessed such crimes to humanity that no one should ever have to witness. However, thoughts are things, and I cannot tolerate listening to such talk, even from people I might otherwise admire. Otherwise, I feel Drake is doing a good job which I know is and has not been an easy one, and I thank him for that! -- Avocadess

From Cobra:

"Keeping the Balance [posted Monday, July 16, 2012]

"I would like to bring to your attention the following astrological configuration happening tomorrow:

[see Cobra's website for the astrological image: http://2012portal.blogspot.com/ ]

"It is a cardinal grand cross involving Pluto, Uranus, Mars and the Moon. It is one of the most tense, violent, explosive and rigid configurations possible, yet holding a potential seed for a big breakthrough. This configuration will be effective to the end of this week. People are tired of waiting for the Positive Military and want to take matters in their own hands. It is a moment when the Archons would like to trick the population into a violent revolution.

"Therefore I would suggest everybody to remain calm and peaceful. Violence will not overthrow the Cabal. It is strategically unwise to attack the enemy where he is the strongest. Instead I would propose the people inside the freedom movement to co-create a grassroots master plan. You might want to take a look at this:

http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations98ce.html

"And this:

http://www.aeinstein.org/selfLiberation.html

http://www.aeinstein.org/selflib/PNV...r_Self_Lib.pdf

"The best immediate strategy would be to expose the Cabal and release lists with names of people and their past crimes to humanity. The surveillance videos and massive evidence that David Wilcock is speaking about would be most welcome at this point. And Assange could also leak something.

"I am sure you already know of the latest Drake’s show that was abruptly ended by the Cabal:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/global-...update--sunday

http://globalvoice2012.us/blog/2012/...-july-15-2012/

"People are asking me what to do about it. You are sovereign beings and you will make your own choices. I will report the events as they unfold and will give some background intel when appropriate.

"People are also asking the Resistance to intervene now directly in the situation on this planet. The Resistance is aware of the suffering of humanity and cries for help and will respond, but the extent and shape of their operations remain classified for now."

Posted by Cobra at 4:05 PM

[Ishtar]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
From Cobra: "I am sure you already know of the latest Drake’s show that was abruptly ended by the Cabal..."

It was reported on the Drake Facebook page that Blog Talk Radio pulled the show, because they didn't want to be associated with Drake's proposals. That would make sense of why the second half of the show was on another radio station. I don't consider Blog Talk Radio to be the Cabal... but it would be handy for someone to say it was the Cabal if they wanted to make a martyr out of Drake.

[Anchor]

I liked your whole post, but this bit interests me..

Posted by StarDust (here)
On thing I find interesting about terrans is their belief that "free will" is some sort of spiritual trump card. Although free will is important to permit Source to experience Source, it is also important to understand that there are much larger forces at work here.

This is a function of freewill nonetheless - even if that will is one that we incarnates do not always appreciate.

It *is* a spiritual trump card if you have penetrated that which in the process of incarnation became the separating factor - then you have the whole will. This would be rare...

Another option is to find the resonance between the will you wield here on this side, with the will that resonates at large on the "other side". IMHO, it is possible to do this.