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Posted by truth4me
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The bible is filled with lies and truth. Now for all the Jesus worshippers,no disrespect intended, Answer me this. You have to accept Jesus as your savior and that he died on the cross for our sins. Most church going people I know will tell you what I just stated yet, if that is the case tell me where Moses is or where is Daniel or Job ,Ruth,Soloman plus other Old Testament figures for they all were dead before "Jesus" was even born. How could you accept someone as your savior if you are dead before he was even born?
I hope you will accept a bible answer since you are using the bible to raise questions. Questions are good, because with proper study, answers are found. I happen to think a lot of what some churches teach is not biblical, and things that are biblical they don't teach. There are lots of issues that come up in the bible like your question and it's not a reason to throw the bible out in my opinion, it is an opportunity to study it more deeply and get to know our father a little bit better. Actually, the bible does address this very point:
Prior to Messiah, the place the dead went was split into two areas. One area was the abode of the righteous and the other was the abode of the wicked. We see in 1 Peter,
1Pe 3:18 For the Messiah himself died for sins, once and for all, a righteous person on behalf of unrighteous people, so that he might bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but brought to life by the Spirit;
1Pe 3:19 and
in this form he went and made a proclamation to the imprisoned spirits,
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The word sin there means to miss the mark of perfection. You could be close, but no bullseye, and you are thus not perfect.
ph 4:8 This is why it says, "After he went up into the heights, he led captivity captive and he gave gifts to mankind."
Eph 4:9 Now this phrase, "he went up," what can it mean if not that he first went down into the lower parts, that is, the earth?
Eph 4:10 The one who went down is himself the one who also went up, far above all of heaven, in order to fill all things.
Thus those who had passed were waiting in paradise for the coming Messiah to take them home.
Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Now I will use the King James version of the bible for my next question. If Jesus was/is God would he lie? certainly not! If God Jesus told you there was a being greater then him would you believe it? yes,I would. Let's look at this verse from the KJV of the bible--John 14:28.......my Father is greater then I-- God Jesus is telling that there is a God that is greater then him so wouldn't logic dictate that you worship the Father for Jesus himself did and told the people AND Satan himself that his father is the only one you worship--Matthew 4:10
This subject has several interesting aspects to it. One, Jesus was very mindful of the belief within that culture that the son can never be greater than the father he came from. Without the father there is no son. Second, he was putting himself in the position of being God's son. This was a point that drove the Pharisees nuts. One can claim to be a prophet, teacher, student, but never the "son" of God. So, by Jesus claiming God as his father, he is saying a whole lot there. Now, let's deal with this whole "greater" aspect and look at the issue of the body, soul and spirit. The body houses the spirit which is the intellect of the soul. Jesus says he and the father are one, and always is obedient to the father. The Soul is the foundation which gives unction to the Spirit and is manifested in the body. The body can only be in one place at a time while the spirit is unlimited and the soul again is the foundation.
Also, the body can only do what the mind and soul desire. Thus, Yeshua was the perfect being in example of the mind and heart of God the father.
Was Yeshua / Jesus worshiped?
Mat 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for
we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Mat 2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
Mat 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and
worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
The Greek for worship is:
G4352
προσκυνέω
proskuneō
pros-koo-neh'-o
From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively)
prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): - worship.
Did Jesus accept worship:
Mat 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
Mat 14:32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and
worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
What about others worshiping him?
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him,
they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Luk 24:52
And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Luk 24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
As for the verse you quote, what was happening? Satan was testing Yeshua and said:
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Satan loves to use the word to make people mess up. Jesus can't worship himself, he worships his Father. Satan was offering Jesus all power on earth as the King of Earth if he would worship him! Jesus quoted bible back to Satan to reproach him and thus we have verse 10. Since Jesus and the father are one, and he accepted the worship of his followers, I do not see an issue here. If you have an issue with it then don't do it, but do you believe Jesus is the living son of God or just some man or teacher with a good conscience?
Let's backtrack to the Old Testament and look at this verse--Isaiah 7:14---Now since God gave us a sign that "Jesus" would be born of a virgin and his name would be called Immanuel then why is Jesus called Jesus??? They would have been calling Jesus Immanuel back then don't you think? unless someone has tampered with the bible.....hmmm Saul/Paul maybe ? but that's another story.
Called is:
H7121
קרא
qârâ'
kaw-raw'
A primitive root (rather identical with H7122 through the idea of accosting a person met);
to call out to (that is, properly address by name, but used in a wide variety of applications): - bewray [self], that are bidden, call (for, forth, self, upon), cry (unto), (be) famous, guest, invite, mention, (give)
name, preach, (make) proclaim (-ation), pronounce, publish, read, renowned, say.
The word Immanuel is:
H6005
עמּנוּאל
‛immânû'êl
im-maw-noo-ale'
From H5973 and H410 with suffix pronoun inserted;
with us (is) God; Immanuel, a name of Isaiah’s son: - Immanuel.
His name was Yeshua, meaning God's salvation, and are you implying that people did not proclaim that in the person of Yeshua, the people did not say, "God is with us?" I dare say, that they said it often that God sent Yeshua, was present with them in Yeshua, and it's the very reason the religion lawyers / word smiths called Pharisees and scribes hated him.
The first verse in the bible is a lie ....in the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth
Woe, that's a pretty strong statement. You have already demonstrated to me your lack of biblical scholarship. I would seriously reconsider claiming anything in the bible is a lie if I were you. Go ahead, but I highly recommend no one stand within 10 feet of you for a while.
Creation itself is above all IMHO.
The God of the bible was an E.T
Jesus never existed but <J> Immanuel did--I questioned that Isaiah verse before I ever heard of Billy Meier or the Talmud of Jmmanuel
John 1:1 is a lie - thought comes before a word
First of all, Yeshua is the word made flesh. God spoke and there was light. What did God speak? Words. Have a nice day!
It's not a question of who's right or wrong it's a question of truth and as "Jesus" himself said in John 8:32--And ye shall know the truth,and the truth shall make you free."-- that is if people aren't scared to let it ,the truth, set them free.......
Well, it does matter who's right and who's wrong, the question is who is the judge.
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