Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[9eagle9]

Because we don't really know how this works until we do the work for ourselves. That starts inside.

While I acknowledge a need to be able to examine what is an unnerving topic, __something unseen may be controlling me___. its a neccessary evil.

Like what WhiteCrowBlackDeer said, I was afraid to look at the negative side of things.

When I heard that years back, it didn't frighten me, it gave me a sense that I could so something about my own condition. It wasn't just something I had to live with anymore and keep struggling with.


I'ts not negative, its just is what it is. We don't get afraid of mosquitoes because they are leeching on us and just let them bite us. These things are dealt with in the same way.

There is an encyclopedia worth of compromise going on inside some one who cannot examine uncomfortable topics without having an emotional trigger pulled. That is one's cue to...look inside. One that says you not comfortable with yourself. Feelings are accepted, not perpetrated. Sitting in uncomfortable feelings (because we are brainwashed into thinking if we don't feel good ALL the time something is wrong with us). Avoiding dense feelings means....we don't feel good all the time.

The great meme running in spirituality is if 'if you have bad feelings you aren't spiritual".

In order to achieve greater spiritual progress you have to process feelings...in a productive way.

Being afraid of a program is like being afraid of a record player playing the same tune over and over.

There is the other side of the coin of empowerment where these things are dealt with as much emotional investment as wiping off the counters.

I just came from another blame thread, where people claim not to be taught these things. What we sharing here? Are we not showing and teaching with each other? Does anyone feel deprived or that someone is holding back, or keeping information from them?

The program begins to pinch you when you examine it too closely--there's the discomfort. They are self preserving programs...but they are not intelligent programs. This is where we have to use our intelligence and not our feelings. The Higher Self is VERY intelligent. There's no point in pursuing a higher intelligence within if its stupid right? That's what we have our minds for.

Unless we were raised by God are parents no matter how terrific, probably imposed something on us that doesn't belong in us. They didn't have to starve or beat us to impose something unnatural on us. They may have encouraged us down paths with all good intentions that did not serve us, and we walked down them for the wrong reasons--mostly to please them. We don't have to discuss what horrid parents do to us. I'm sure I am aware of it by now, or I at least I hope so, but the thing is are we blaming or using that knowledge to uncover ourselves. My mother was horribly abusive, 24/7. I didn't even know I lived in an abusive situation until I...I knew it. Seen how other mother's behaved. "Oh your mother doesn't come charging at you with a butcher's knife because you were late getting off the bus. How weird!"

That was examining something I was forbidden to examine. Who forbid me?

Conversely those conditions gave me a a set of balls...but only after I cleared out the trauma. Before that I just had defense mechanism, passing as intestinal fortitude.

I am absolutely ruthless with this **** because.... You have a cold but you don't go and deliberately spread it. But we don't think twice (or at all) about spreading our emotional compromise. This not to say I am without compassion but when my mother got cancer from her own programming that was an opportunity to heal. Instead she used Cancer as means to flog her program, until my sisters were in tears 24/7 without relief. It was a manipulators dream come true to have four woman up 24 hours a day waiting on her, being leveraged by her. "I asked for rye toast not wheat. I asked for it to be browned not toasted, I asked for strawberry jam , not jelly. "

Until I cornered and told her I'd stick her ass in a nursing home and see if they'd play her tune of running around toasting loaves of bread until they were just right, (because she had cancer) at three in the morning, and getting the entire hospital in frustrated tears. No sirree they would not. They'd sedate her ass (something we should have thought of ages ago) and stick her into a pallative psychological care treatment.

'you can't talk to me that way, I have cancer."

Oh yeah, well you got worse than that but your not spreading it. Or at least not spreading it without the observer Paul Revering what you are spreading. Talking about it is, examining it, being informed about it, helps prevent the spread of the disease. No one did anything about child abuse, or marital rape, until people opened up and started talking about it.



How do we look inside?

Look at the patterns of events and circumstances and even people that are re occuring in our lives that we don't want. That's not starting externally its starting internally? Are we putting up with those patterns. Seeking to change them? Wishing they would stop. How many times did you marry your mother? Do you want to stop marrying your mother? No? Then shut up. Quit inflicting your mother on everyone else. Because complaining how bad everything is without doing something about it is an attempt to spread the disease.

How hard is it to pause and interrupt yourself during the day and look to see how you are feeling inside? Good? Uncomfortable? Feeling some heaviness somewhere? Feeling nothing at all? Don't know what you are feeling?

Tapping, essential oils, core belief work, uncovering subconscious roles we have assumed,(patterns) challenging our own thoughts, monitoring our thoughts, all of this qualifies as looking within. It may be the tip of the iceberg but it is a start. Once you start digging and feeling lighter you don't want to stop. Life goes on brings more ****, you have to have the shovel out all the time. First its a spade then you can use a hand trowel.

People think its painful to do this and sometimes it is but....a half hour of pain is no where as painful as a lifetime of pain if you don't do it at all. I would much rather do this than get a tooth extracted. I have some control over this. At the dentists I don't get much say in my pain management. The thing is there is pain but there is relief afterwards. It's a process, it took a long time for this **** to take root in us....lifetimes even. The process to extract it is much shorter. One pulls all the tiers, and layers and cording out by the roots, not a branch at a time. You can pull out a dozen years of dysfunction in a matter of a day.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Houman (here)

note that these rituals are designed to affect the soul and the transition of those involved (the first thing that infant experiences is not the breast of his/her mother but a sudden and painful transition into another realm... is there something/someone waiting for his/her soul on the other side?...)

I will stop here...

The manipulation and or alteration of time-lines and possible futures in this realm caused by these ritualistic child sacrifices are quite severe too, not to mention the conscious energy being affected....here and there and everywhere. The darkness involved is quite unimaginable to say the least and I'm sure many don't have a clue to the extent of the damage they are doing on a collective level when they do such things. It's murder in the most intense and destructive way in my opinion. The consciousness potential and innocence snuffed out so to speak in such a way is dark evil beyond comprehension, makes one wonder what in the universe has actually put something so insane and dark/evil in the human being's spirit to do such things.

What ever that something/someone is that is waiting for his/her soul (or spirit essence/energy burst) during the transition, may actually not be on the other side at all, but somewhere in between, feeding (or trying to feed), trying to get the power or energy to get somewhere else than where they are....or perhaps they need this energy just to survive being where they exist, or are trapped.

Just thinking out loud............

Added: What if there's no one or nothing on the other side causing or convincing humans to do such things such as child sacrifice and it's only a result of our own insanity?

[donk]

I agree there is not a whole lot that people can for those who want stay imprisoned.

Finefeathers (and 9eagle9) I am on board with your posts on this page. So my problem is, I got someone who wants out, but is programmed not to be able hear truth.

It is crazy, on a whim when I was thinking about this, I started this thread from the beginning (yesterday). I came across Bartley's 10 part youtube Houman posted on page 2 or so, which I had seen before but way before I met my current gf--and when I was just learning about the abduction phenomenon--just taking it all in but not having any experience. Well, that stuff was totally resonating, and I nearly fell over when he mentioned people get agitated and even fall asleep at his talks.

I asked truman for his techniques, which unfortunately i feel I am too intimate/close/whatever to be able to work on with her. In pm exchange, he had mentioned he was aware of the phenomenon, though unfortuantely was not able the time to give me guidance. Since going directly to him, and starting some posts in the forum looking for help on the issue, I saw that Bartley confirmed and also revisited a bunch of Karla Turner stuff, where she mentions things (snake bite double punctures the most recent) that has been happening. Most importantly, my girl saying out loud she can feel a "block".

So my question is--what can be done with someone with no resources, little time, and all of the other bullsh!t (living the American Beauty dream beyond my means, five kids deep, day job and tons of needy friends in adn out of my life)? the house we live in has inhabitants outsiders have noticed, and it totally has power her. I can't directly experience anything, except for the consequences of what she is. We've come a long way, she's grown so much...what can I teach her, tell her, guide her to help deal with whatever has her blocked?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Like what WhiteCrowBlackDeer said, I was afraid to look at the negative side of things..

A point of clarification: The above is a misleading statement. I'm always processing the negative side of things, so much so I am a complete bore. I walked away from a secure job of 27 years, in 2004, just to complete this process and learn why am I here? What's next...and all that rot...

Stating more clearly "archon" is new information for me. I didn't want one more thing added to my already full plate of clearing off, so I can invite only what works for me today.

I'm learning that there's a distinct possibility that I was raised by an archon and there's a good possibility that I have a couple of psychopathic sisters. Which explains why 'Love and Light' ain't the way to go. And why I am the big joke in the family. (on some levels)

IMO, I'm one of the many brave ones that know when to take a stand. I have demonstrated that over and over in my life.

............Going, going, gone..........................................





UPDATE: I can't find in my post where I said, "...I was afraid to look at the negative side of things."

If this is what you were referencing from post #1477:

P.S. I'll save for another time that I have experiences of my 'invisible family friends when I was younger. I believe them to be my Star Family. They'd come to visit exactly at 2:10 a.m. But this thread and some others have made me silent and look within for parts I may have forgotten. My gut says that they were what helped me be strong. I just didn't want anyone to take that away from me by posting it here.

It is a poorly constructed sentence. "But this thread and some others have made me silent and look within for parts I may have forgotten."

I had only been on PA forum a couple of week (one and only experience on a forum) and got brave enough to share my Star Family experience. One person took things out of context with each additional post. And then tried to make me understand that we are All One. I ended up deleting the posts. I learned that it wasn't worth having to explain my Truth to someone that continued to use it for his/her 'gain'.

[Chester]

Posted by donk (here)

I agree there is not a whole lot that people can for those who want stay imprisoned.

Finefeathers (and 9eagle9) I am on board with your posts on this page. So my problem is, I got someone who wants out, but is programmed not to be able hear truth.

It is crazy, on a whim when I was thinking about this, I started this thread from the beginning (yesterday). I came across Bartley's 10 part youtube Houman posted on page 2 or so, which I had seen before but way before I met my current gf--and when I was just learning about the abduction phenomenon--just taking it all in but not having any experience. Well, that stuff was totally resonating, and I nearly fell over when he mentioned people get agitated and even fall asleep at his talks.

I asked truman for his techniques, which unfortunately i feel I am too intimate/close/whatever to be able to work on with her. In pm exchange, he had mentioned he was aware of the phenomenon, though unfortuantely was not able the time to give me guidance. Since going directly to him, and starting some posts in the forum looking for help on the issue, I saw that Bartley confirmed and also revisited a bunch of Karla Turner stuff, where she mentions things (snake bite double punctures the most recent) that has been happening. Most importantly, my girl saying out loud she can feel a "block".

So my question is--what can be done with someone with no resources, little time, and all of the other bullsh!t (living the American Beauty dream beyond my means, five kids deep, day job and tons of needy friends in adn out of my life)? the house we live in has inhabitants outsiders have noticed, and it totally has power her. I can't directly experience anything, except for the consequences of what she is. We've come a long way, she's grown so much...what can I teach her, tell her, guide her to help deal with whatever has her blocked?

I am no expert donk, but I am going to give this a shot.

Ask her directly the following.

Are you happy with the circumstances of your life as they are or would you like your experience to change?

If she responds No... my life is a mess and, yes, I want change.

Then ask her who/what she thinks she is?

If she has the tiny openness to the possibility she is a spirit being that has the likelihood of some form of experience beyond the life of her physical body, then ask her this - "If this is true, then do you really have anything to worry about?"

"And if you do not, then are you willing to go to any lengths to improve your current experience? Even if fear creeps in during the process, are you willing to hold on firmly to what you know... that you are an immortal spirit being and that nothing can truly harm you."

Then at that point I would suggest she plunge into removing the veil and get a true education as to how our human, 3D experience actually works. Get educated as to what forces seen and unseen are interacting with our experience. Get educated as to what lies beyond the 5 sense world and what lies beyond the realms (such as this one) where there is duality (where there are beings of malevolence as well as benevolence), and that as each one of us achieves greater understanding as to these dynamics, one also gains the ability to transcend these lower worlds. One gains the ability to be in safety at all times. One gains the ability to see there is nothing to fear in the first place and thus there is nothing anymore to be safe from.

Not sure where all this just came from...

it's Friday afternoon and I am being justoneman

[Houman]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
What ever that something/someone is that is waiting for his/her soul (or spirit essence/energy burst) during the transition, may actually not be on the other side at all, but somewhere in between, feeding (or trying to feed), trying to get the power or energy to get somewhere else than where they are....or perhaps they need this energy just to survive being where they exist, or are trapped.

Just thinking out loud............

Added: What if there's no one or nothing on the other side causing or convincing humans to do such things such as child sacrifice and it's only a result of our own insanity?

They seem to believe that there is "something" "taking delivery"...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2...k0oeo1_500.jpg

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
What ever that something/someone is that is waiting for his/her soul (or spirit essence/energy burst) during the transition, may actually not be on the other side at all, but somewhere in between, feeding (or trying to feed), trying to get the power or energy to get somewhere else than where they are....or perhaps they need this energy just to survive being where they exist, or are trapped.

Just thinking out loud............

Added: What if there's no one or nothing on the other side causing or convincing humans to do such things such as child sacrifice and it's only a result of our own insanity?

They seem to believe that there is "something" "taking delivery"...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2...k0oeo1_500.jpg

It is a bit beyond insanity....throughout this age and perhaps before this age something is driving humanity to do these types of things. Food for the Gods......for protection or power? The "origin of evil" so to speak.

"They" are within and without regardless of what one believes or what theories there may be about them (or this energetic force)....

Thinking one can drive a stake through their hearts or shoot them with a silver bullet to rid this is mere child's play.....spiritual weapons of consciousness that we haven't discovered yet (or can't remember) may be the only way to defeat them or make them obsolete....

My studies in Native American (old Cherokee) sorcery/witchcraft teach of certain entities or spirits that resemble darkness of this nature....they can be defeated.

(but is a dangerous place to go)......and to go there we must if we want to be rid of such destruction and evil.

Added: I was taught; the mind, soul, spirit....and heart. All four must be connected and working together in a balanced way and in harmony to be closest to the Great One/Universal Law/God/Great Spirit etc.

The heart/mind connect is as the soul/spirit connect, the sacred 4 together working in harmony bring us to being one with all things.....bring us to being a "true human being".

As Earth people we have been corrupted by having our heart severed from the mind so to speak, thus being quite unbalanced in a soul spiritual way.....all four are like a 4 cylinder engine with the spark plug wires on wrong......we spit and sputter and get nowhere fast. We are just now learning someone or something sabotaged us and re-arranged our spark plug wires!

We are getting back to where we belong though, it's only a matter of time now before we remember the firing order!

[Chester]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Today, in our 'modern' technological age, with easy internet access, and with our highly intellectual states, WE see no need for self discipline to achieve higher states of consciousness, WE think science will solve it, or WE think being intellectual is the key, or WE think WE can gain easy access by answers on a forum, or that WE have it inside us all and someone is just keeping it from us. WE believe that WE are now at the point in life where victory is achievable, only if WE eliminate, from the equation, those who have denied US our sovereign right to be omnipotent. WE demand the answers by posing challenges to those out there, like 'prove it', or 'convince me', as if this would give US a quick grasp of the mysteries of life and safe passage to some place WE believe is where WE should be, because EVERYONE around US is talking about being spiritual and ascending to lofty heights. I read this thread and see 100 and one different points of view, where has the real truth gone? Probably, maybe, the truth lies lurking in one of the 1000s of posts in some thread. How do WE decide which is the one? I would say, with no fear of being proved wrong, that not ONE person in the entire world has and will ever become truly spiritually enlightened by some post on a forum. The best WE can do on a forum, is to offer a place to go, a place to seek out more knowledge. Out of every post in the entire Avalon arsenal there has ever only been ONE statement, made by many, scattered around different threads, which can truly be said to be the ABSOLUTE TRUTH....and that is "Look Inside", "Turn inward" "The truth is inside you". Yet we flit around from post to post, thread to thread, seeking enlightenment.
Amongst all of this urgency, and rush for enlightenment, and in the midst of a seemingly hostile world, and despite of it, some of US forget the many acts of the human spirit shining through...the moments of joy and love and acts of extreme bravery and courage and compassion, which is living proof that the potential is there for the entire human race to live in peace and harmony. Are these not themselves proof of enlightenment and does it not manifest all around us?

Posted by justoneman (here)
1) I quote - “So now comes the big 'reveal', The material cosmos is controlled and regulated and sustained by forces and beings, whose sole purpose for existence is to ensure the availability of the material world for the purpose of evolution.”

My thoughts are - “whose” purpose or “what’s” purpose? And, how does one know this is true as to the soul’s purpose? I just watched a video interview of Dr. Jo Hawkins who makes an interesting point against the idea that evolution which made some sense from a particular point of view. He preferred the word “process” as evolution sounds like we are coming from somewhere and going to somewhere and both the coming from and the eventual goal are determined by some outside force – a “god” or “source” etc.

If I were to try to answer who the 'who' is, that has created and is directing this creation, in the 17th century, I would have been burnt at the stake. Today it is not much different. BUT the answer is simple: Your guess is as good as mine! It is impossible for our little minds to even start to comprehend the SOURCE of creation, so seen that we are, we might as well accept it as fact.
BUT here is some truth which I known: Some of us, in our illusion and ignorance believe we have, or are, some form of sovereignty, which makes us the be all and end all of existence. I have read on this forum people make statements like, "If we are all ONE, all equal"...."take back our sovereignty",...as if we are individual to the point of making our own rules and living out our freedom of choice, as if we as individuals each had our own little universe to play around in. NOTHING is further from the truth! We are, tiny little fragments of the whole and 'equal' we are NOT, because equal implies separation and we are NOT separated.
So to answer your first question...WE, as the ONE collective mind in the entire cosmos, the entire existence, whatever that may be, is the 'who', and we, as 'individuals' have called that collective mind all sorts of names, like God, The Creator, The ONE. You choose which one you like. Life is a bit like your finger and your self as a whole, the finger prods so the whole can experience. So who made the finger prod? But be warned, things are not as simple as I have stated. The little finger has no idea what the big mind is all about.

This leads us to the question of a Hierarchy: Is there a tier or rank system in the cosmos?...YES most definitely, however, it is just so far away from that which has become almost a swear word today, that we probably need to find a new name for it. The 'real' spiritual Hierarchies are simply minds who have achieved higher states of awareness and as they ascend they become collective and hence more knowledgeable and more wise.
So there are from highly advanced 'individual' beings, in the cosmos, to 'individual' collective minds, on and on up to the collective mind of the living being we call, God, The Creator, The ONE. Of course if anyone thinks this is

This is what??? You had me hanging on the edge of my seat! My mind said... “Of course if anyone thinks this is... not the case, you certainly have that right and I wish you well in your journey in seeking and finding the truth.”

As for your response to my question – it all rang true... beautifully worded, thank you.

These advanced beings, and their hierarchies, may be separated into 2 major groups:
1) The Hierarchy of the Material Forces (3rd Aspect of Daety - called 'Active Intelligence'): I quote my original above: "The material cosmos is controlled and regulated and sustained by forces and beings, whose sole purpose for existence is to ensure the availability of the material world for the purpose of evolution.” Some of these beings are highly advanced and their agenda is complicated and vast. These beings are best left to their own devises in the same way as it is best to give a snake a wide berth. If you enter their domain you can be consumed.
2) The Hierarchy of the Light Forces (2nd Aspect of Daety - called 'Wise Love'): Secondly we have the Forces of Light, who's sole purpose is to advance the consciousness, by evolving the material aspect to the point where mind can achieve full awareness and hence experience the material world in all it's glory, fully awake, IN ALL CORNERS OF THE COSMOS! Their headquarters is in the Sirius Avatar System.

wow... again rings true, again, thank you.

If you see these 2 aspects as opposites who are at war with each other, then you are missing the point. There is full co-operation at high levels. As an example, some of the many UFO abductions we know of are the Light Forces who are working at DNA manipulation in order to create bodies fit for physical life in different parts of the cosmos. And it is therefore logical that the Material Forces do the same.
There is a MAJOR difference between these 2 types of Beings and it is the cause of much hyped up, imagined, concocted fear and confusion and panic and speculation and is the subject of this thread...and all that I can say on a forum is that all is not what it seams like and the position is far less dangerous and hysterical, as is depicted here.

About evolution: Evolution is the deliberate adjustment which occurs in physical matter to improve the ability of the spirit to become more conscious. I see no difference between a process and the word evolution in this regard, but the process is one of becoming if you take into account the primary components of evolution is matter and the agent is energy/thought/spirit

I see this view too... I am starting to realize why one of my blockages better now too. My inability to accept the differences between each of us (in other words, my holding on to this ideal we are all “equal” from the point of view of what “should be our experience”) is based on my inability to accept that I may actually have grown up a bit... that I may actually have somewhat of a clue where others may not. I have been clinging to this ideal that everyone should be fully conscious, fully aware of all NOW!
I just saw in my minds eye a rainbow of all one color... it was dull looking. I then saw the clouds blend into the color of the sky, how plain looking... I then just saw all turn a strange shade of off white... how very dull and boring.

I then got this thought, “Why, Chester, are you resistant to the possibility you have a clue? Certainly at least more of a clue than I had 20 or 30 years ago?” And my answer is I just don’t feel worthy.

And the voice said, “What is that? Not worthy? Isn’t that nothing but reverse pride? And isn’t pride your greatest trap?”

Hummm I say

Posted by justoneman (here)
In reference to the archons...
“they are performing their God given purpose, they have always existed and always will.”

How are we to know this is so? I see this as “opinion” and perhaps the opinion is ultimately correct but there’s no “god” I would ever buy into / believe in / accept that sets up a mechanism that for some “purpose” of “it’s” own results in a dynamic where live children are ripped open and their living hearts then get consumed by fellow human beings as part of some divine plan.

Sorry I used the word 'God', but we should really try to get over these word triggers which bring back some concept of control and manipulation.
Pure ignorance and sinister motive has made the use of many words into a 'God' unto themselves. I noticed you said you would not capitalize the word archon, I have also read on a blog of someone refusing to use the word archon, and uses 'ankle biters' instead. All sad manipulation by the dark of your understanding of words to send you off course and into a huddle.

I can strangely see from the view of a larger picture (bearing in mind I am a “child of God” a role for these Archons (note the cap). If WE are God, then WE created the Archons and I, in my current experience - an incarnation into human flesh in a 3D existence on a planet called Earth at this time - is part of the WE, my own individual expression of that WE and have to be a bit more realistic as to what I can and cannot do to change the world I see.

Primarily, I can only do so by being the change I want to see and primarily achieving that "being" by taking control of what I can change, which is my body’s experience (by choosing through discipline to keep my body reasonably pure), by disciplining myself to control my emotions (so I do not allow the Archons opportunities to intervene), both of which allows me a cleaner, clearer, stronger connection to my higher self (going within) such that I get my answers from myself, can try these answers out by practical application of my new points of view, have no one to blame anymore when I make mistakes along these lines and essentially achieve an even greater experience... all of which places me in the best position to be truly helpful for others and to have the ability to write sentences longer than Julian Jaynes! (sorry... could not help the attempt at humor).

But hey... I think I am finally getting the idea.

What I meant was they are performing the purpose for which they were created for.
Your true ability to know something is based on experience. Theory is just speculation and nice to read stuff, until you prove the theory for yourself. No other person can stand in for, or be your proxy, when it comes to experience. A lot of opinions in the scientific world become facts as we progress, so maybe what I have stated also has a chance. Lets wait and see. In the meantime just treat it as a hypothesis.
I am not trying to get anyone to belief what I say, that would be violating your freedom of choice.

Posted by justoneman (here)
Finefeather, it is clear you have achieved a high degree of true enlightenment but what of the 99.9999% of the rest of the 7 billion souls who currently live in material realm / physical bodies here on earth who are born into a situation where the odds each one of the rest of us can achieve this level of enlightenment is all but 0% in this lifetime?

These are some of the points this thread is making... that the dynamic we find ourselves in has unacceptable elements to it. If we created this, i can accept that. But if this is a component of some “god’s” divine plan, that is a hard one for me to swallow.

Folks like you (and perhaps myself to some extent in more ways than my posts might reveal)... we are in such a tinsee, tiny minority and I cannot speak for you, but in my opinion, it does not have to be this way at all whatsoever.

If I were to, for one moment, think that what I have written would be clear and grasped by everyone who reads this forum, then I would be the biggest fool on the planet. The ability of the human mind to grasp some concepts is a challenge and some are just not needing it now. I often find that simple analogy becomes the easiest way to tell a complex truth. BUT, this is not always successful because we are all looking for answers from our own point of view. The aha moment often comes to us when we least expect it and often in a most synchronistic manner, but sometimes never in this life.

And this has been the hardest thing for me to accept. And I see now I have always just been trying to play God – well... the God of the concept where God is some outside of myself, all controlling being... which doesn’t exist except/unless WE are that God, collectively (meaning all that is... all of US)... am I getting it?

In addition, right now my own experience happens to have been one that I could compare to a catfish that mostly eats what is found at the bottom of the pond... humbling but at the same time, it's like WoW, I really only have one place to go... and that is UP!

I do not recall the name of the person who said we HAVE TO achieve some high degree of enlightenment in one life. Although this is possible that certainly is not the goal. We are here to increase our consciousness for the ultimate good of the whole so do not confuse spiritual 'guru like' ascension with what we doing here. Try to see it as an exciting chosen adventure.

...sighs with relief as more and more of the weights of the multiverse are lifted from his shoulders...

Our dear friend, The Buddha, sat under the bodhi tree, in contemplation of the meaning of life and to quote a significant passage: "Let my skin and sinews and bones dry up, together with all the flesh and blood of my body! I welcome it! But I will not move from this spot until I have attained the supreme and final wisdom."...All at once, Mara, lord of desire, rose to challenge him. With an army of demons he attacked. Siddhartha did not move, and their weapons turned into flowers."

Posted by justoneman (here)
With all the billions of galaxies and within each galaxy containing billions of stars and many of these stars provide the opportunity for life and in many varying forms, you could not convince me that wherever life has sprung up to exist at the levels we have achieved on earth that there is not examples of worlds where there is no lie, where there is no senseless slaughter where instead there is peace and harmony while still retaining the ability to experience materiality... to experience materiality and not get caught up in it like we experience here on earth at this time.

It would be a disaster if I were to convince you otherwise, we are busy creating our utopia, just give it time. As they say "Rome was not built in a day". After all the blood, sweat and tears, peace love and harmony awaits. I also cannot wait for it to arrive.

Posted by justoneman (here)
How many folks can understand your post? Most of us here on Avalon perhaps, but how much of the rest of earth’s population could actually understand it? Really? How many folks on earth at this time get all the points you covered? Would a child of 5 years old get any of it at all?

I actually stated quite clearly that those who want to give it a miss can do so if they choose. I have given another point of view here on Avalon and if anyone gains from it then all good and well. If they have something to say, that's what we are here for. I am not in anyway offended by any criticism or attack by anyone. I know who I am, I know what I stand for, and I know what I know and I know were I am going.
I would like to take some with me for the ride because as our dear friend and brother, John Lennon, said, "I hope someday you'll join us, and the world will live as one".

Count me in, baby... count me in

Posted by justoneman (here)
It is almost impossible to convince me that it is necessary that because of some “god thing’s” purpose that “it’s” creations must “evolve” so that they transcend their need to explore material realms.
If that’s a creator some want to believe in, they can have “it.”
My ideal creator (if I even have one) would have no games to play with me along those lines. Something else got into the mix and it’s my opinion we made it, not some creator as part of some divine plan that because it is this superior beings “divine plan” excuses what goes on on earth each and every day with regards to human and animal sacrifice.

I almost barfed when I read what I wrote... what arrogance. Did I really write/ask that that way?

Strange how fast change can occur.

Our goal is to gain knowledge by increasing our consciousness and thus evolving the conditions here for 'heaven on earth'. Right now our focus, or rather work, or maybe desire, is to master the trials and tribulations on the planet earth with all it's unique challengers. You are a part of the mission so try to get your head around the fact that you actually agreed to participate.

I accept (finally)

When we have all succeeded with this project and overcome all the challenges we will move on to a new challenge. I notice that human sacrifice is your pet hate, try to look at it this way: How many times today did you witness a human sacrifice...none?....well I just watched the news on TV and thousands were sacrificed today in car accidents, bombing, wars, heart attacks, cancer, etc etc, about 150000. I also noticed today that there were about 350000 births today, so it seems to me as if we have the situation covered.

This is the hardest pill to swallow, and it does not mean I need to accept what is clearly unacceptable, but my shifting view puts me in a new position... and the "hate" is subsiding (thus I am actually feeding that monster no more) and a strange new resolve is moving in. One that can perhaps actually write that promised OP for a solutions thread... one that does not bring the wrong energies to the table. Interesting.

Posted by justoneman (here)
“Consciousness as we know it only exists in the physically manifested cosmos” – but whose goal is it that it increases? Who is this being or whatever that benefits from this increase?

Why was it decreased in the first place? Who caused that? The only thing acceptable to me is that I caused my own shutting down of my consciousness and so “wow” I recognize it, see my errors and then suddenly I discover a whole boat load of my fellow humans consciously making sure the vast majority of the rest of us remain virtually totally unconscious and then I have to ask, “is that acceptable?” Because of someone’s “divine plan?”

This viewpoint reminds me of Theosophy... shades of Hinduism. This is hierarchal as only few can even get it and that is, to me, unacceptable.

You are the being who benefits from your increased consciousness and as we are ultimately all ONE, we all benefit from your 'individual' tiny bit of consciousness. Consciousness on the physical plane is misunderstood. Consciousness never ever decreased, we are just continually increasing it by venturing out into the unknown, with different sensory equipment, and improving our knowledge and vision. If you continue to see yourself separate from the whole you will never understand the truth about consciousness, and continue to belief you are out there on your own.
The real question that is on peoples minds is why we are seemingly been blocked from remembering our past etc, well the answer is simple: We each have come to focus on a specific part of our growth, which will ultimately lead to the growth of the collective. The current DNA in the average body is not capable of syncing with heightened vibratory states, and it is a bit like a chicken and egg situation, the more we increase our rate of vibration the more we evolve our DNA and the more we can experience in the physical.

Again... strange this new, incoming view. Accepting myself as I am on my physical level which implies accpetance of what I am in my other bodily levels and that by realistically doing so, I might actually be able to rapidly increase my ability to make a real, true, positive difference and that I am connected with all means I can truly be of benefit to all... I am beginning to adjust well and rapidly to this new view, almost as if I knew this all along yet had to experiment in the zones of utter self deception.

Of course there is the factor of the Dark Forces or the 'archons', bless their little hearts, who are desperate to slow down the process because that is just what they do...but they will ultimately fail, after providing for us most interesting and challenging obstacles.

And this means one day (perhaps in some future lifetime) those of US who are not of the Archons might be in position we could help the Archons "un-archonize" themselves too!! (OK, so I haven't completely changed! haha).

Posted by justoneman (here)
Finefeather, you sound much like some of my teachers but none of them ever were able to present an acceptable argument as to why it is OK that on earth at this time there is the constant, ongoing practice of ritual human and animal (and ANY form for that matter) sacrifice.

A real teacher points to the way, your job is to walk the way.
Why is it ok for a lion to slaughter and kill it's prey?...Is it cruel?
Why does a cat, seemingly play with the mouse before killing and eating it?...Is it cruel?
Some humans are little more than animals. The human race is far from perfect and easily controlled.

And yet we can still work towards the day that practice no longer occurs on planet Earth and perhaps that day may never come... but we can always try - I promise the OP for the solutions thread will soon be posted - I promise this 100% on or before September 19th

Posted by justoneman (here)
“or we are simply ignorant of the outcome.”

This ignorance is intentionally created by fellow human beings. Is that acceptable to anyone? Seriously... is there truly some realistic justification that the ruling class of this planet intentionally creates a vast sea of ignorant fellow humans? Is it acceptable that perhaps a tiny percent of the souls within a given generation somehow figure it all out?

You are going on about what most of this forum is dealing with. No one but you creates your ignorance, the fact that we are been herded around like dumb animals is a master feat of genius by a minority who have worked out our stupidity, and if you believe you are being treated like that, then so be it, it is your choice. Some people actually do not give a damn, and some people even enjoy it. Your job is to overcome it.

Gotcha - rings true loud and clearly. And what good could I be to anyone else anyways if I can't overcome this myself? Man, Finefeather, you stick the knife in so deep yet so sweetly.

Posted by justoneman (here)
Why can’t we share with our children from birth the basic, easy to understand simple, foundational truths of who/what we are and about how we create our shared reality? Shared in simple terms openly to all of them? Not some complex dynamic that the few privileged and perhaps eventually “enlightened” who most had to spend years and years of study to be able to grasp this level of enlightenment in the first place has to achieve.

If this is “god’s” structure then by its very nature it is hierarchal and elitist, yes?

The circumstances of your birth and upbringing is normally carefully chosen before birth to best perform the objective ahead.
Parents are chosen who have the best DNA or ability or resources or environment etc to best carry out the being's desires.
Some beings form soul groups or families in the realms and spend millions of years incarnating together and playing different roles.
You do not require 1 cent to become enlightened. All you need is a tree, 2 month off from work, and a lot of patience,..but are you sure that is what you came for? There is actually a difference between enlightenment and consciousness.

WoW! You almost got away from me without another question... then you had to end your post with that last 8 word sentence! Urrghhh, I guess the questions and then the lessons never cease.

Thank you again for taking the time to bring forth such a thoughtful reply.

justoneman

[heysoulsister]

Firstly;- thank you to Houman for this wonderful thread, I know some have been shocked and revolted at it and others not.... I am of the *hand up* "Yes I have/had parasites
Secondly;- If this has been asked before I am sorry I have read about 75% of the thread (and I also really don't want to go to far off topic here)

in the efforts to keep this short and being mindful of others...
I have been practicing Holographic Kinetics (one on one - NOT through surrogacy - which does work, but I don't think that it has a big enough "emotional and mental" impact if the person is; well "obsessed" with their attachments - anyhoo )
I have had some interesting things removed, and am at a stage where I feel pretty clear (the more you kick them out the easier it is to "spot em" in all their various forms)

One thing I have noticed though is that my little Dog (mini dashound) when I get close to booting another one of these tossers out of my self/field etc this sweet little animal clings to me like glue. Usually these things get a bit nasty/troublesome or try to make trouble for me rather than front up and move on.

Of course there could be something else brewing for me atm that's not related to a entity, but she's on me like glue again and she has only done this when one gets stirred up - the thing is now these things don't scare me, if there is one in there running wild hog I hope it fronts up, I always feel better when they are gone.

So is there anyone else there that has had a pet/animal show signs that they know of these things?

[wynderer]

Hi SilentFeathers --

thanks for thinking out loud -- your thoughts got some of mine going , esp what you wrote here:

'The darkness involved is quite unimaginable to say the least and I'm sure many don't have a clue to the extent of the damage they are doing on a collective level when they do such things. It's murder in the most intense and destructive way in my opinion.'

i believe that all the participants in these ghastly rituals are very aware of what they are doing -- i also am certain that the darkside has WAY more knowledge re the Human mind & the astral planes than the rest of us do -- i think this is the real forbidden/secret knowledge -- how to control/manipulate the Human experience on the lower astral planes -- this is a big part of keeping Human souls trapped here in the matrix, endlessly recycled thru a twisted, stunted version of reincarnation

like most of us here [those of us who are not sickos], i find the photos of the rituals that Houman posted extremely disturbing -- feeling like my heart was going to break for those poor dear little children esp, & then getting very very angry

it occurred to me when pondering your post, & Houman's, that these rituals are very likely the heart, the core of the power needed by the archons/controllers -- the rituals generate that power

& that the attachments/parasites that many are posting about could not exist w/o the energy of the rituals to sustain them -- also people are dealing w/attachments in their waking life, w/their conscious mind, & the true control of Humans is thru the unconscious [imo]

also from your post:

'What if there's no one or nothing on the other side causing or convincing humans to do such things such as child sacrifice and it's only a result of our own insanity?'

an honest, soul-searching question -- as i see it, if Earth Humans had been left alone these last thousands, maybe millions of years , the Earth would not be in the terrible shape she is now -- there's a bunch of channeled 'ETs' , & some UFO/ET researchers who are telling Humans , 'It's all your fault this planet is in such a mess -- we may have to step in & fix it for you'

i don't agree -- Earth Humans have never had a fair chance to truly live & be who they truly are -- maybe the worst crime against Humans is the shutting down of the chakras/kundalini, thus disconnecting us from our rightful connection to the Creator/Source/the Divine

the 2nd worse is those rituals, & all cruelties to the weak & helpless -- the children & the animals

wyn

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Houman (here)

note that these rituals are designed to affect the soul and the transition of those involved (the first thing that infant experiences is not the breast of his/her mother but a sudden and painful transition into another realm... is there something/someone waiting for his/her soul on the other side?...)

I will stop here...

The manipulation and or alteration of time-lines and possible futures in this realm caused by these ritualistic child sacrifices are quite severe too, not to mention the conscious energy being affected....here and there and everywhere. The darkness involved is quite unimaginable to say the least and I'm sure many don't have a clue to the extent of the damage they are doing on a collective level when they do such things. It's murder in the most intense and destructive way in my opinion. The consciousness potential and innocence snuffed out so to speak in such a way is dark evil beyond comprehension, makes one wonder what in the universe has actually put something so insane and dark/evil in the human being's spirit to do such things.

What ever that something/someone is that is waiting for his/her soul (or spirit essence/energy burst) during the transition, may actually not be on the other side at all, but somewhere in between, feeding (or trying to feed), trying to get the power or energy to get somewhere else than where they are....or perhaps they need this energy just to survive being where they exist, or are trapped.

Just thinking out loud............

Added: What if there's no one or nothing on the other side causing or convincing humans to do such things such as child sacrifice and it's only a result of our own insanity?

[observer]

There are many among us, here at Avalon, that recognize Abject Evil.

There are many among us that are here to awaken those with "eyes to see and ears to hear" to the reality that this place.... this particular density is a place of Abject Evil.

There is really only one 'cure' to this obscenity.

Those with Unconditional Love within their hearts MUST ascend out of here. The time is NOW to do this.

Those of us who recognize the Abject Evil cannot spend even one more incarnation dwelling here within this matrix of malevolence.

Just as with an electric appliance, this particular universe will, very soon, be turned-off. Those souls that may be still trapped here will dissipate with the vile energies that will soon cease to exist when this 'switching-off' occurs.

http://jchiappalone.com/page1.php

[Finefeather]

removed to avoid controversy

[9eagle9]

That is giving them too much power. The rituals they use are perversion and corruption of other traditions used by the druids and people from other cultures that had druid like practices.

Bottom line if one is familiar with drui or instinctual magic one is going to see a corruption or a mock up of those rites in the occult practices of the ptb. The druids didnt' have to use psychological manipulation (although they were capable of it.) It wasn't necessary to do so because they authentic, expressive magic (for lack of a better word). There was something driving this instinctual magic the ptb don't have. Which is creation matrix expression. Instead the ptb make sacrifice to artificial construct parasitical gods which is just replicating things, not 'creating' circumstances. Parasitical 'gods' cannot create they can only replicate.

The difference is...the drui used blood rites to maintain, and repair a spiritual connection with Source. Which is POWERFUl in an authentic way.

The ptb use blood rite to Control which is not powerful, but suggests weakness. They have no spiritual conduit to conduct their magic through so must feed or pay off parasitical god constructs to intervene for them which is undependable. There's not enough of them to make a meaningful gesture, so they need us. They are not genetically able to invoke the creation matrix because they corrupted it to begin with.

Blood rites were often used in conjunction with sexual activity --again to ensure spiritually connected children. Blood rites were given to adults that lacked spiritual expression so genetically they were able to be authentically expressive. The fear that this might be accidentally re-created has prompted the church to direct a lot of negative energy towards sex.

The drui were the ones who made prohibition against masturbation--NOT THE VATICAN--not because of some moral standard. It was common sense not to dilute one's energy if one were going to invoke creation matrix magic. That prohibition was more common sense rather like telling a runner not to run cross country all day if he expected to win a marathon the next day. Preservation of power, not because the act was sinful. It was just counter productive.

The ptb have some weirdo rite planned for 12-21-2012. It is essential for them to have US obsessing over that date. If we do not obsess over that date, whatever rite they have planned will lack power. The beauty of this is to thwart this is not lend any energy to that date. One does not have to do anything to throw a monkey wrench at them but ...do nothing. Don't think about the date. The sad part is , ....people insist on obsessing over it inspite of being lent this information. They insist on joining those who steal their power. Could I arrange a close estimate of what they are going to manipulate at this time, yes. Will it matter? No.

Because they have had this rite planned for hundreds of years, they have indoctrinated us to believe that date is important to US...its actually important to them. We may not notice what rite they initiate in but eventually we are bound to see the effects. By Spring of 2013 if the lines of convergence I'm observing continue the way that I am observing them.

Nobody notices that the Olympic games are a giant ritual. You can't get people not to do lend energy to that event.

The reason they need us to give them power, is because they have no true power and only re-create a feeble expression of power that is not authentic. It can re-create it can't generate ORIGIN-al circumstances.

The druids used blood rites and the concepts of 'sacrifice' through blood to accomplish certain things, primarily the creation of offspring that were spiritually connected and whole. The Church corrupted many of these practices, and perverted them. So communion turned into a mock up of one of the blood rites of the druids. In fake communion no actual blood is taken.. Instead of blood one has wine. Instead of bodily fluids one has bread to ingest. In real communion blood is given (sacrificed) and consumed. Its less about the blood then passing along certain genetic qualities.

This a complete corruption and prevision of the blood rites that kept people spiritually intact. They had no true power, so they tried to mimic what other powerful manifestors were doing, which results in very little powerful expression. So they need us to energize these feeble practices.

All we have to do is stop doing it.

But we won't now that the ego is involved in all of this. It's not even so much evil as just petty and stupid, and actually pretty pathetic, coming from my point of view. It's just a projection, smoke and mirrors of true power. Now they are losing that feeble power and must now depend on more physical expressions of control as current world events tell us. They have plenty of psychic control over most people but its slipping into circumstances that are out of everyone's control and believe me you that drives them crazy.

And that is something that I and a few others who are aware of this whole matter will actually be intervening in. The resistance will come not from ptb, there's not that many of them, but from the masses who INSIST on vectoring this time frame. But in the perverse paradoxical way that creation matrix energy works, that one day time frame could also work in our favor if the deaf would listen to enough to learn something the ptb don't know and can't do in the first place even if they did know.

Now the latest obsessionary time frame is the sun going Solar Maxiumum, in early 2013. The ptb is obsessed with tampering with the sun, and 12-21-2012 is a major sun date (the alternate death and rebirth of the sun). So now we have the ptb attempting to shift the focus on tampering with the sun and need our energy to do that. Because the sun is currently interfering with their electromagnetic activities.



Posers. We invest a lot of energy in posers.

Posted by wynderer (here)
Hi SilentFeathers --

thanks for thinking out loud -- your thoughts got some of mine going , esp what you wrote here:

'The darkness involved is quite unimaginable to say the least and I'm sure many don't have a clue to the extent of the damage they are doing on a collective level when they do such things. It's murder in the most intense and destructive way in my opinion.'

i believe that all the participants in these ghastly rituals are very aware of what they are doing -- i also am certain that the darkside has WAY more knowledge re the Human mind & the astral planes than the rest of us do -- i think this is the real forbidden/secret knowledge -- how to control/manipulate the Human experience on the lower astral planes -- this is a big part of keeping Human souls trapped here in the matrix, endlessly recycled thru a twisted, stunted version of reincarnation

like most of us here [those of us who are not sickos], i find the photos of the rituals that Houman posted extremely disturbing -- feeling like my heart was going to break for those poor dear little children esp, & then getting very very angry

it occurred to me when pondering your post, & Houman's, that these rituals are very likely the heart, the core of the power needed by the archons/controllers -- the rituals generate that power

& that the attachments/parasites that many are posting about could not exist w/o the energy of the rituals to sustain them -- also people are dealing w/attachments in their waking life, w/their conscious mind, & the true control of Humans is thru the unconscious [imo]

also from your post:

'What if there's no one or nothing on the other side causing or convincing humans to do such things such as child sacrifice and it's only a result of our own insanity?'

an honest, soul-searching question -- as i see it, if Earth Humans had been left alone these last thousands, maybe millions of years , the Earth would not be in the terrible shape she is now -- there's a bunch of channeled 'ETs' , & some UFO/ET researchers who are telling Humans , 'It's all your fault this planet is in such a mess -- we may have to step in & fix it for you'

i don't agree -- Earth Humans have never had a fair chance to truly live & be who they truly are -- maybe the worst crime against Humans is the shutting down of the chakras/kundalini, thus disconnecting us from our rightful connection to the Creator/Source/the Divine

the 2nd worse is those rituals, & all cruelties to the weak & helpless -- the children & the animals

wyn

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Houman (here)

note that these rituals are designed to affect the soul and the transition of those involved (the first thing that infant experiences is not the breast of his/her mother but a sudden and painful transition into another realm... is there something/someone waiting for his/her soul on the other side?...)

I will stop here...

The manipulation and or alteration of time-lines and possible futures in this realm caused by these ritualistic child sacrifices are quite severe too, not to mention the conscious energy being affected....here and there and everywhere. The darkness involved is quite unimaginable to say the least and I'm sure many don't have a clue to the extent of the damage they are doing on a collective level when they do such things. It's murder in the most intense and destructive way in my opinion. The consciousness potential and innocence snuffed out so to speak in such a way is dark evil beyond comprehension, makes one wonder what in the universe has actually put something so insane and dark/evil in the human being's spirit to do such things.

What ever that something/someone is that is waiting for his/her soul (or spirit essence/energy burst) during the transition, may actually not be on the other side at all, but somewhere in between, feeding (or trying to feed), trying to get the power or energy to get somewhere else than where they are....or perhaps they need this energy just to survive being where they exist, or are trapped.

Just thinking out loud............

Added: What if there's no one or nothing on the other side causing or convincing humans to do such things such as child sacrifice and it's only a result of our own insanity?

[observer]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by observer (here)

Those with Unconditional Love within their hearts MUST ascend out of here. The time is NOW to do this.

Those of us who recognize the Abject Evil cannot spend even one more incarnation dwelling here within this matrix of malevolence.

http://jchiappalone.com/page1.php

All those ready to abandon the ship line up to receive your cheque and lifetime supply of Kool-Aid.

Yes, Finefeather,

For someone with so much to say with so little revelation to your understanding, I don't doubt that is how you would interpret the words of my comment.

Did you even go to the Doctor J. Chiappalone link that I provided?

Just a little research on that page, and one will clearly understand that no one is promoting the "Kool-Aid" solution.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother posting on this Thread....

[9eagle9]

Ascending out of here is pretty easy, put some Drano in the Kool aid. If one is stuck in a chain of re-incarnation events, one will just end up coming back. If one is truly on a path of ascension...one won't.

There is no real prohibition against suicide. If people want to leave i'm not sure what is stopping them.

I guess the meek won't be inheriting after all....he he .

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by observer (here)

Those with Unconditional Love within their hearts MUST ascend out of here. The time is NOW to do this.

Those of us who recognize the Abject Evil cannot spend even one more incarnation dwelling here within this matrix of malevolence.

http://jchiappalone.com/page1.php

All those ready to abandon the ship line up to receive your cheque and lifetime supply of Kool-Aid.

Yes, Finefeather,

For someone with so much to say with so little revelation to your understanding, I don't doubt that is how you would interpret the words of my comment.

Did you even go to the Doctor J. Chiappalone link that I provided?

Just a little research on that page, and one will clearly understand that no one is promoting the "Kool-Aid" solution.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother posting on this Thread....

[wynderer]

from 9Eagle9:
'That is giving them too much power.'

i think you were addressing this to me, as you quoted my post below yours -- i'm not clear what you mean by giving them too much power -- the fact is, they do have a lot of power -- the children kidnapped to be used in the rituals are completely powerless in their hands

way earlier in this thread, i'd posted about being sent, thru my job, to a multi-county law enforcement personnel conference re the 3,000 children who disappeared in one yr alone from Westchester County in NY State -- that's a lot of power, too, to be able to take that many children who disappear forever -- & that was just in one county, in one state, in one country -- & we don't even have a nice juicy war going on, when it is so easy for them to pick & choose which children

[wynderer]

hi Observer -- just wanted you to know that i greatly appreciated your post -- i am familiar w/Dr Chiappalone's writings --

i've discussed this w/friends: when i turn my attention/focus to my own future, i feel very much at peace, tho for quite some time it's like there has been a wall against my actually seeing anything -- in my heart i know that some of us on this planet are going to somehow find ourselves out of here, maybe all together, maybe not, but all of us in a place/dimension where evil does not exist

i dreamed of this once long ago -- it will happen very quickly, if my dream was true

thanks again, wyn

Posted by observer (here)
There are many among us, here at Avalon, that recognize Abject Evil.

There are many among us that are here to awaken those with "eyes to see and ears to hear" to the reality that this place.... this particular density is a place of Abject Evil.

There is really only one 'cure' to this obscenity.

Those with Unconditional Love within their hearts MUST ascend out of here. The time is NOW to do this.

Those of us who recognize the Abject Evil cannot spend even one more incarnation dwelling here within this matrix of malevolence.

Just as with an electric appliance, this particular universe will, very soon, be turned-off. Those souls that may be still trapped here will dissipate with the vile energies that will soon cease to exist when this 'switching-off' occurs.

http://jchiappalone.com/page1.php

[Finefeather]

removed to avoid controversy

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by wynderer (here)
Hi SilentFeathers --

thanks for thinking out loud -- your thoughts got some of mine going , esp what you wrote here:

'The darkness involved is quite unimaginable to say the least and I'm sure many don't have a clue to the extent of the damage they are doing on a collective level when they do such things. It's murder in the most intense and destructive way in my opinion.'

i believe that all the participants in these ghastly rituals are very aware of what they are doing -- i also am certain that the darkside has WAY more knowledge re the Human mind & the astral planes than the rest of us do -- i think this is the real forbidden/secret knowledge -- how to control/manipulate the Human experience on the lower astral planes -- this is a big part of keeping Human souls trapped here in the matrix, endlessly recycled thru a twisted, stunted version of reincarnation

like most of us here [those of us who are not sickos], i find the photos of the rituals that Houman posted extremely disturbing -- feeling like my heart was going to break for those poor dear little children esp, & then getting very very angry

it occurred to me when pondering your post, & Houman's, that these rituals are very likely the heart, the core of the power needed by the archons/controllers -- the rituals generate that power

& that the attachments/parasites that many are posting about could not exist w/o the energy of the rituals to sustain them -- also people are dealing w/attachments in their waking life, w/their conscious mind, & the true control of Humans is thru the unconscious [imo]

also from your post:

'What if there's no one or nothing on the other side causing or convincing humans to do such things such as child sacrifice and it's only a result of our own insanity?'

an honest, soul-searching question -- as i see it, if Earth Humans had been left alone these last thousands, maybe millions of years , the Earth would not be in the terrible shape she is now -- there's a bunch of channeled 'ETs' , & some UFO/ET researchers who are telling Humans , 'It's all your fault this planet is in such a mess -- we may have to step in & fix it for you'

i don't agree -- Earth Humans have never had a fair chance to truly live & be who they truly are -- maybe the worst crime against Humans is the shutting down of the chakras/kundalini, thus disconnecting us from our rightful connection to the Creator/Source/the Divine

the 2nd worse is those rituals, & all cruelties to the weak & helpless -- the children & the animals

wyn

'The darkness involved is quite unimaginable to say the least and I'm sure many don't have a clue to the extent of the damage they are doing on a collective level when they do such things. It's murder in the most intense and destructive way in my opinion.'

I feel those only at the very very top of the ladder know the depths of what they are doing. Especially in today's world you have all these egotistic new age guru satanists and those who think they are specialists in darkness and evil doing all kinds of things, some even doing child/human and animal sacrifices. They know not what they do and create all kinds of psychic and spiritual soul damage/alterations/distortions to the human collective grid of consciousness. This is not the correct process to feed or energize the sick evil entities/gods/aliens (whatever it/they is/are). What I am trying to say in a round about way is that, "every one wants and tries to be a shaman and no one knows what a shaman is" so to speak.

The damage being done to the human grid is "bigtime" with all these wannabees opening doors and dealing with things they have no understanding of.....

Also, I truly believe the heart is just as important as the mind, soul, and spirit when it comes to these things. Coming from a strong Native American background I have always been taught that the heart is to spirit and the mind is to soul, yet they must fire correctly as I referred to about the spark plugs .....be in balance and in harmony together so to speak. This separation or ignorance to this simple "firing order" has been a catastrophe/tragedy to humanity IMO.

Your quote:
as i see it, if Earth Humans had been left alone these last thousands, maybe millions of years , the Earth would not be in the terrible shape she is now -- there's a bunch of channeled 'ETs' , & some UFO/ET researchers who are telling Humans , 'It's all your fault this planet is in such a mess -- we may have to step in & fix it for you'

But we haven't been left alone and IMO the evidence is overwhelming. I don't believe the Earth is in as bad as shape as many make her out to be. She is quite capable of taking care of herself and it is we that are in bad shape. Sure we've done some damage but it is nothing compared to what the Mother has been through before and she has healed just fine then and will do so again. We are just a minor scab to her in the bigger scheme of things.

As for the channeled stuff etc, I believe most of this stuff is actually coming from within the human psyche itself, us remembering things so to speak and what we are remembering is so bizarre it MUST be coming from outside of ourselves.....but it isn't (most of it IMO). Somehow somewhere deep inside of us we know of the alien connection/manipulation, many true dynamics of the universal laws and nature, and of the pollution or evil that has entrapped us. It's not that it has been completely hidden from us, the proof is all around us, we have just been lied to and conditioned to believe other things, duped is a better word.

All of this is coming out in the open now, what many refer to as the awakening. I believe this time that we are in now is what many of the ancients prophesied about....perhaps the return of the Gods is actually meaning the return of us? When the age arrives to which we are finally capable and ready to defeat the enemy within and restore ourselves back to who we really are, the human beings that we deserve to be....minus the alien pollution that genetically made us killers and sick insane spiritual beings on a large scale....

No one's coming to save us. If anyone is coming such as ET's or GODS, I doubt they will be very kind to us as history has proven. We must wake up and save ourselves......we are capable of this and we are also capable of defeating the spiritual pollution that has invaded us, corrupted us, and that has also enslaved us.....

I believe this is what the Hopi's (and some others) refer to as the purification......

The time is now.

[donk]

9eagle9 post 1481 (I think, one at top) is sooo brilliant, well said. The worst of it though I think is the more subtle abuse, that is in nearly all relationships in our society. The passive aggression, white lies, egoistic need to keep up appearances and maintain status quo...the stuff that describes a "normal, nuclear, functional family". This is perpetuated in everything within our culture, the barely discernible victim mentality--that's the tough cookie to crack cuz as defined by "social norms", it is what most of are taught to be, taught is "good".

Maybe this has been answered, how do you "dumb" it down enough and get deeply programmed, big time denial-ist victims to hear how important it is to look within, to try seeing things a different way. On the surface they may seem "wanting to be improsined/enslaved", but deep down under the baggage trauma they show subtle signs they want out....until you hand them some truth, which the programming kicks on the emotional defenses and see it as attacks.

I know it's all about delivery, and is a delicate process where you really need to know the individual, but are there any general rules of thumb on how to start chipping away at the wall? I know it is up to each individual to look inside, but I think as communal animals by nature it is also good to help one another, even if at first they don't see it as help. In fact, I feel doing that is my calling, my purpose, and have been working on it in every interaction with others.

I find questions only (instead of telling people anything) is a way where you can do it without ever having to worry about pushing "truth" (which may be wrong or misinterpretted), it by definition forces them to look inside. Most don't like it, it is not usually comfortable, and depending on the deepness of programming many can see a simple question as attacked (when they attach a bunch of assumptions to you).

Just some thoughts, this thread is just chock full of amazingness...