Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[9eagle9]

I could make a very long post looking at this from 360 degrees instead of 1 of 359. You make that the ultimate argument for shunning meat and you are shutting the door on some very empowering knowledge in regards to matrix building.

That wasn't a rebuttal, I'm not making a case for eating meat. You are making a case for eating only bloodless plant life as if that will somehow escape you from the fact that you are composed of flesh and blood yourself. You can't escape that. As long as you are here, you will be flesh and blood and no matter what you eat, that will not change.

Any vegetarian here escaped their flesh and blood physical experience because they chose to not eat meat? Physical is one of the conditions for the ability to navigate a physical world.

Flesh and blood is a condition of having a human physical experience, and there's no way around that. Two conditions. Unconditional is not possible in a world of conditions until some of those conditions are removed.

Interestingly enough its plants that don't have flesh and blood conditions. Still I know lots of people who have been vegetarians for a life time. And they still are not fleshless nor bloodless plants, they are still flesh and blood humans that, for that reason, are still fed on by pneuma-vores. I realize that vegetarians think they are holier than meat eaters but...they are still stuck in the same flesh and blood experience that rest of us are.

So are fruitarians and breatharians for that matter, so I think the matter is a bit deeper and complex than what someone had for dinner last night.

Another interesting little factoid that has been lost in our paternal grid lock is that the subject of blood is a woman's subject. Only a woman is able to convey blood kinship to others. Do men let blood once a month? No? Women themselves have been conditioned not to know their own creation matrices that is why we allowed a paternal paradigm to consume us.

The subject of flesh and bled esoterically and in an occult sense merits its own thread. We can't have a discussion of that sort because it will be shrilled down by those who get hysterical at the notion of eating Bambi, quite dismissing how we came to eat Bambi in the first place completely derailing the knowledge hidden in the conditions of flesh eating versus blood sacrifice.

The flesh is ONLY a conveyance for blood.

We are obsessed with flesh, the ptb with blood.

The question is why?

So instead of getting hung up on our belief attachments why don't we set them aside and explore a little bit how blood and flesh signify in our 'spiritual' practices.

What is the difference between flesh and blood? Without confusing the two and making one more important than the other, good, bad or indifferent.

[Chester]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Speaking of nuked, blown up planets and the soul harvesting of their inhabitants (see post # 1410):

Draconian Encounter

By Franz Erdl
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/erdld...09jul12,.shtml
July 9, 2012
Draconian Encounter by Franz Erdl (August 12, 2012)

http://www.psitalent.de/Englisch/Dracoencounter.htm

Last week, I had a session with a person who had previously worked in a mine which not only greatly harmed his health, but on top of that, he got caught up in extraterrestrials. Beneath this mine there were more tunnel facilities - created by aliens. When I had a closer look at it, I could see a black creature from deep down looking up at the workers of that mine. It was a Draco.

I could feel that this Draco was senior to the others. Maybe he was the chief of the underground base . He said to me "This planet has been promised to us!" I was able to recognize at a glance how he felt. It felt like, "Why do so many of your kind still walk around?" It seemed to me as if he has been waiting for ages to regain a planet for himself.

--- A couple of weeks ago we had freed a Draco - we healed his enormous pain - it was the destruction of his planet. Martina was able to witness this downfall due to his immense agony. The planet shattered with one huge explosion. This shock was deeply felt in all Dracos and hence their strong desire for their own planet.

Back to my encounter with the Draco. The Draco was waiting to take over the earth!

By whom? By whom was this promise given?

By the snakes (or who or whatever is above them)?

I do not think they will keep their promises. But I believe that the snakes make concessions as long as they can use other beings as mere tools. If their work is done, Grays, Reptilians, Dracos (but also Illuminati, Freemasons, banksters, etc.) will be reset to their enslaved condition.

What does the dark side want? They crave for souls, not for planets.
Their plan on earth is to cut the grounding connection of all living creatures. That is the reason why they have destroyed other planets. And thinking about it, they want to destroy planet earth and our souls should serve them as food forever. If they were interested in planets, they would not have destroyed them. But I may be wrong.

Together - the Draco and I - went through the healing process. As expected, I experienced a deep pain seated in the heart chakra which took a long time to be healed. When this was done, something wonderful happened.

Even then, a few weeks ago Martina witnessed the paternal energy of this Draco. This energy seems to be characteristic for Dracos. I was not able to perceive it before, but this time I experienced it myself.

I do not know how to describe this paternal power. The moment where I felt it, it was beautiful and I knew it was the original form of paternal power in its highest concentration. Overwhelming and beyond words because we are not aware of that power which was probably long gone. We therefore, have no comparison.

Hey folks! Now while writing this, I can feel the tingling all over. So if healed Dracos should feel like I perceive them now, then I would be happy if they stayed here.

Franz Erdl

Fantastic Post, Amzer Zo... I am glad I am not alone in "getting this too." I love my mother and father. I love that they are a unit to themselves which from that perspective allows me to be their child. When I step outside of this view, I see the most beautifully balanced Trinity of Mother/Father/Child.

I see this as the first gift of Creation to each of us within this material world experience. Something inside suggests to me that by honoring this dynamic I could become a true father (being male in my physical body) for my step daughter and my three sons and that I can be a true husband for my wife.

Each day I am able to find gems on this Avalon forum. Thank You, Amzer Zo for bringing forth this post at this time when I sorely needed it. justonedad (and always a child of Creation)

[Chester]

Posted by observer (here)
I should note, that far back into antiquity up until the Templar took-over the control of the Gnosis, each and every group that has assembled around the concept of a God of Unconditional Love have been vegetarians. I point to the history of the True Gnosis as evidence to what I'm reporting.

I've come to realize, the balance between good and evil all boils-down to if one is a meat eater, or not. I do believe there is a profound significance to this observation. Regardless of how those individuals who are drunk on the 'blood of the sacrifice' want to twist the reflection into something it really isn't.

As 9eagle9 inadvertently pointed-out in her rebuttal, it all boils-down to the significance of the blood. How do you prefer your meat.... rare??? with lots of juicy blood???

That point really doesn't matter, because even at 'well-done' the blood is still there.

It's all about participation in a ritual that gives-over the power to the 'Master of the Ceremony'.

My inner voice has been telling me this more and more recently. I have tried to go vegetarian more than once and failed. Each time I went through such a drop in my ability to think that I jeopardized my ability to work and thus my ability to provide for my family.

Having said the above, I have recently acquired a 30-day cleanse kit which all but demands a juice / raw fruits and vegetables diet.

I have been contacted by a poster here that has offered me help along the lines of removing parasites, specifically candida which I am all but certain I am riddled with.

I will keep folks posted as to what I do in this regard. I do not place the odds very high that I will succeed in eliminating meat from my diet, but I have once again cracked open this door and the clock of my physical body is definitely winding down.

Thanks, Observer... justoneman

[Chester]

Posted by SoulAppreciation (here)
Just finished watching "UFOs, Aliens, and the Question of Contact"
(https://youtube.com/watch?v=cCgqmulQCV0)
(http://veilofreality.com/2011/03/12/...2%98%9E-video/)
Thanks Jean-Luc..

It seems awareness and education are critical in fighting the abductions and mind games/interference
Curious does anyone have any idea of the laws and rules these invaders are bound or governed by? (mentioned by Elton Turner at around 1:44:50)

..and where might all this leave our souls in the grand scheme of things?

I am sort of "new" at this (at least in this lifetime) but what works for me is that I (my egoic self that has somehow incarnated in this material reality) maintain a steady connection with my spiritual higher self where I "step aside" and allow that spiritual higher self to take the lead.

My life is far smoother yet at the same time I am presented even greater challenges than I have ever experienced before.

for what it's worth - justoneapproach from justoneman

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by SoulAppreciation (here)

It seems awareness and education are critical in fighting the abductions and mind games/interference
Curious does anyone have any idea of the laws and rules these invaders are bound or governed by? (mentioned by Elton Turner at around 1:44:50)

Our permission.

[wynderer]

a suggestion : try using the power of compassion & empathy to stop eating dead animals, instead of doing it from concern for your 3D body

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by observer (here)
I should note, that far back into antiquity up until the Templar took-over the control of the Gnosis, each and every group that has assembled around the concept of a God of Unconditional Love have been vegetarians. I point to the history of the True Gnosis as evidence to what I'm reporting.

I've come to realize, the balance between good and evil all boils-down to if one is a meat eater, or not. I do believe there is a profound significance to this observation. Regardless of how those individuals who are drunk on the 'blood of the sacrifice' want to twist the reflection into something it really isn't.

As 9eagle9 inadvertently pointed-out in her rebuttal, it all boils-down to the significance of the blood. How do you prefer your meat.... rare??? with lots of juicy blood???

That point really doesn't matter, because even at 'well-done' the blood is still there.

It's all about participation in a ritual that gives-over the power to the 'Master of the Ceremony'.

My inner voice has been telling me this more and more recently. I have tried to go vegetarian more than once and failed. Each time I went through such a drop in my ability to think that I jeopardized my ability to work and thus my ability to provide for my family.

Having said the above, I have recently acquired a 30-day cleanse kit which all but demands a juice / raw fruits and vegetables diet.

I have been contacted by a poster here that has offered me help along the lines of removing parasites, specifically candida which I am all but certain I am riddled with.

I will keep folks posted as to what I do in this regard. I do not place the odds very high that I will succeed in eliminating meat from my diet, but I have once again cracked open this door and the clock of my physical body is definitely winding down.

Thanks, Observer... justoneman

[9eagle9]

Genetics certainly contribute to it. If we are a radio station, genetics is the circuit board, but then we have the transmission, the receivers, the broad cast, the electrical transmission, sound waves, and the programming to contend with as well. And whatever else I left out.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Well, as long as we are on the topic of aberrant behaviors associated with aliens, we need to go back 200,000 years and start at the beginning...

[...]

The main caveat is that there is a possibility that the experiment is being terminated and the fact that soul essence cannot be extracted , and that the new hybrid humans are ready to be released while the old version, which is us, is to be exterminated...

[...]

Cough... cough... cough... which beginning?

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

It should make it clear that all sides/aspects of any conflicts were implanted into our minds... "They gave us their minds" said Juan Maltus to Castaneda... and ever since "WE" 've been busy RE-creating all those figures, constructs, programs and kept ourselves and "them" entertained with them...

Here is the transcript of the video I was able to concoct:

[In the following "R6" equates to the implanted "mind" given to "us" by Castaneda's "predators" and "dramatization" means the re-creation or acting out of the R6/ unconscious "mind" implanted hypnotic commands. Hence, R6ers are the hypnotically-tranced, skull-dwelling zombies we got to know as the "sheeples." Accordingly, MKultra, satanic, etc. types of mind-control and implants are "dramatizations" of that "R6" "mind/unconscious"]


[...]

Although it’s a fairly simple implant but it was quite effective in lousing people up because it interrupted them from creating what they would have created and took away what mock-ups that he did have and it stop the cycle and it put something there that is unwanted and so when they tried to create, they created it [the “unwanted”]. They fixed his attention by “protest.”

All right.

For this planet, and for this Confederacy of the 21 adjacent stars and its 76 planets; the Incident Two… it is a very long and [?] complex incident… all in 36 days.

[...]

These planets averaged 178 billion human beings per planet. One hundred and seventy eight billion. There were 250 billion on this planet, the name of this planet was Teegeeak and this is known as the “bomb-place” and this is the “evil place.” This is the place [?pretty much all of it?] got smashed.

[...]

Now, that is peculiar and only to this planet and to this confederation. There have been other implants of various kind and sizes but this is probably one of the longest, most violent and wildest implant in this sector of the universe.

[...]

They were [?imported?], they were actually… the trick was to shoot somebody, disable somebody, very often a needle into a lung and at the same time to hit him with frozen alcohol and glycol which preparation is guaranteed to pick up a being. All they had to do was: pick him up and put him in a refrigerator and they had him boy. When he tried to exteriorize from the body, there he was -- frozen.

[...]

People were ferried in here by the billions and the billions and the billions and they were ferried in here with boxes and they were put in boxes and stacked around and the people who were on this planet already, just caught it in the teeth, nobody bothered to pick them up. [...]... it blew the beings into the air and after the bomb, an electronic ribbon which also was a type of standing wave was erected over the area. The tremendous winds on the planet blew every being there was straight in to those particular vacuum zones which had been created. These were brought down, packed up and put in front of projection machines [?] with sound and colored pictures. First gave them the implant which you know as “Clearing Course.” Then, a whole track [was] implanted which you know as OT II.

[...]

The entirety of Roman Catholicism, the devil and all of these sorts of things, that is all part of R6. Practically anything you can think of, all modern theatres in actual fact are built with the exact symbols shown [???] in R6.

[...]

Now, the net result of all of this, was to make a 75 million year vacuum. That’s as far as this part of the universe is concerned. You wonder why: “Why don’t… if there are saucers around, why don’t they land on this planet?”

This planet, traditionally, over the various zones and area has an evil reputation. Mutineers and deserters and that sort of thing were often dumped on this planet. They’ll often come here and refuge because they know nobody’s gonna come after them.

This planet is the planet of the evil repute and this sector of the universe has a very evil repute.

Now, all the data which you have that was set out seventy four fluff-fluff-fluff million years ago – almost seventy five – this catastrophe overcame this confederation and has just made it an unsavory part of this universe, to say the least.

About, well, relatively, we are almost in modern times -- 20 million years ago, something like that – somebody started a body line on the planet; it gradually worked through various areas of barbarism and once more, R6 tailored made it to be nothing but a caveman civilization.

Nevertheless, they moved up the line and they moved up toward the dramatization of R6 and that’s what man calls “progress.” And they have managed to make things, this way and that way and their technology is rather pathetic but they’ve moved up the line until they… until there is some possibilities of establishing communication with regard to the activity. The “fate” of the R6ers and we have many a PC who will say to you “Oh my god, they are after me…” it sure fixed up an area, they fixed up an implant that their… people are taught carefully that any man who tries to save the world must be killed, he must be mobbed, hanged.

[...]

Somebody, somewhere on this planet -- back about 600 BC, found some pieces of R6. I don’t know how they found it, either by watching madmen or something, but since that time, they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity.

[...]

Now, to get an edge in, in this particular area and blow this up as a “mass” engram and so forth is quite a trick and we are involved in doing just that. No universe is safe where people are smashed that badly. It becomes the business of any being because the universe in which he lives – as long as it contains a cancerous area such as this old confederation and so on – is not a universe in which one can really freely move. Simple.

[...]

There are certain things which make people ill and that is when they get into certain zones or areas or positions which approximate the R6 positions; such as a body lying in the rain with a rat, below the cross. Guaranteed to give people colds. And so forth, so you have colds from rain. Yet you take baths, you get wet and don’t get a cold. When they get cold, it restimulates frozen alcohol and glycol, as a mix, and therefore they get into a dramatization. So, their sickness is very closely tied-in with R6. [...] Also, a body was only supposed to live seventy years which is a bunch of balderdash. Before R6, and so forth they lived on and on and on and on… there was no such thing as death. They taught people death, they taught them amnesia, these various things. They all come from this zone and area.

[...]

Now, I wouldn't mind THAT particular "experiment" to end... the trouble is that most everybody seem to think that all the problems are coming from the body-line and its genetics whereas the real deal LIES with the IMPLANTED BEINGS occupying said bodies... beings which are re-wired to create/manifest in their environment exactly what they specifically DO NOT WANT!

Machiavellian to say the least.

To that, add a little population problem: 7 billion incarnated "souls"... that makes, to simplify, 240 billion "out there" in-waiting... that makes for a very, very crowded "astral realm," each "manifesting" who or what they "believe" -- i.e. hypnotically ordered -- to be.

In short, it takes quite some compassion to even consider tackling that "problem."

[wynderer]

luv ya, Fred, but gotta disagree -- i think this planet is of such interest to so many different ETs because the complete disrespect for & overriding of free will going on here is to the extreme at this time --

as i see it , the 'contracts'/ 'giving permission' theories going around now are just more of the very subtle & very clever manipulations of Human minds by the controllers/archons

we do give permission by our actions -- hence my trying to alert folks to the karma they are amassing by how they act w/our Animal brothers & sisiters

wyn

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by SoulAppreciation (here)

It seems awareness and education are critical in fighting the abductions and mind games/interference
Curious does anyone have any idea of the laws and rules these invaders are bound or governed by? (mentioned by Elton Turner at around 1:44:50)

Our permission.

[9eagle9]

The problem with today's spirituality is that it tacitly conveys that we should not have any challenges. We are supposed to be striving not to have unnecessary challenges that distract us from what concrete challenges we may not only encounter, but over power. All of life is a challenge but our challenges are in part, produced from our perception, what we have locked in side of us, our filters.

Challenge number 1. "I don't have clarity. I seek to have the clarity lacking in me. "

So one succeeds in being able to see circumstances more clearly.

Now the ability to see things clearly when others cannot is a challenge. People crave clarity but when they begin to have it they find its not well received by those who still have filters on. Conversely those who have filters on aren't noticing what you are doing, which is a blessing not a challenge.

The usual things people find challenging, I don't often experience. On the other hand this opens the door to some challenges that are basically foreign and literally 'alien' territory for us to navigate. If you are in that doorway of experiencing something that others have not its hard to convey understanding to those who are not having that experience.

So if you are alone in trail blazing foreign or alien territory, who do you call for help? Who is your back up person?

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by SoulAppreciation (here)
Just finished watching "UFOs, Aliens, and the Question of Contact"
(https://youtube.com/watch?v=cCgqmulQCV0)
(http://veilofreality.com/2011/03/12/...2%98%9E-video/)
Thanks Jean-Luc..

It seems awareness and education are critical in fighting the abductions and mind games/interference
Curious does anyone have any idea of the laws and rules these invaders are bound or governed by? (mentioned by Elton Turner at around 1:44:50)

..and where might all this leave our souls in the grand scheme of things?

I am sort of "new" at this (at least in this lifetime) but what works for me is that I (my egoic self that has somehow incarnated in this material reality) maintain a steady connection with my spiritual higher self where I "step aside" and allow that spiritual higher self to take the lead.

My life is far smoother yet at the same time I am presented even greater challenges than I have ever experienced before.

for what it's worth - justoneapproach from justoneman

[9eagle9]

What sort of karma does our animal friends invoke when they ingest other animals?

It is interesting to me that

Posted by wynderer (here)
luv ya, Fred, but gotta disagree -- i think this planet is of such interest to so many different ETs because the complete disrespect for & overriding of free will going on here is to the extreme at this time --

as i see it , the 'contracts'/ 'giving permission' theories going around now are just more of the very subtle & very clever manipulations of Human minds by the controllers/archons

we do give permission by our actions -- hence my trying to alert folks to the karma they are amassing by how they act w/our Animal brothers & sisiters

wyn

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by SoulAppreciation (here)

It seems awareness and education are critical in fighting the abductions and mind games/interference
Curious does anyone have any idea of the laws and rules these invaders are bound or governed by? (mentioned by Elton Turner at around 1:44:50)

Our permission.

[wynderer]

there is an ancient Veda that says that it was the actions of Humans [highest-vibrating consciousness of all rightful inhabitants of Earth] which created the kill-eat thing

perhaps due to the genetic/astral manipulation of Humans, before they had a chance to activate/align all chakras & open that conduit to the Creator/Source

our Animal brothers & sisters do not torture each other for the fun of it -- a study determined that 7 out of 10 mice caught by cats get away, for instance

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
What sort of karma does our animal friends invoke when they ingest other animals?

It is interesting to me that

Posted by wynderer (here)
luv ya, Fred, but gotta disagree -- i think this planet is of such interest to so many different ETs because the complete disrespect for & overriding of free will going on here is to the extreme at this time --

as i see it , the 'contracts'/ 'giving permission' theories going around now are just more of the very subtle & very clever manipulations of Human minds by the controllers/archons

we do give permission by our actions -- hence my trying to alert folks to the karma they are amassing by how they act w/our Animal brothers & sisiters

wyn

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by SoulAppreciation (here)

It seems awareness and education are critical in fighting the abductions and mind games/interference
Curious does anyone have any idea of the laws and rules these invaders are bound or governed by? (mentioned by Elton Turner at around 1:44:50)

Our permission.

[9eagle9]

I periodically eat meat myself, but I've never tortured an animal in order to do so. I am curious is that the perception that is held about meat eaters is that they are indulging in forms of torture when they are claiming their meat?

[wynderer]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I periodically eat meat myself, but I've never tortured an animal in order to do so. I am curious is that the perception that is held about meat eaters is that they are indulging in forms of torture when they are claiming their meat?

'EARTHLINGS is an award-winning documentary film about the suffering of animals for food, fashion, pets, entertainment and medical research. Considered the most persuasive documentary ever made.'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=h-gqikETguQ

[heyokah]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I periodically eat meat myself, but I've never tortured an animal in order to do so. I am curious is that the perception that is held about meat eaters is that they are indulging in forms of torture when they are claiming their meat?

Our hands may be clean....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LnlusPCzXI0

[Chester]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I could make a very long post looking at this from 360 degrees instead of 1 of 359. You make that the ultimate argument for shunning meat and you are shutting the door on some very empowering knowledge in regards to matrix building.

That wasn't a rebuttal, I'm not making a case for eating meat. You are making a case for eating only bloodless plant life as if that will somehow escape you from the fact that you are composed of flesh and blood yourself. You can't escape that. As long as you are here, you will be flesh and blood and no matter what you eat, that will not change.

Any vegetarian here escaped their flesh and blood physical experience because they chose to not eat meat? Physical is one of the conditions for the ability to navigate a physical world.

Flesh and blood is a condition of having a human physical experience, and there's no way around that. Two conditions. Unconditional is not possible in a world of conditions until some of those conditions are removed.

Interestingly enough its plants that don't have flesh and blood conditions. Still I know lots of people who have been vegetarians for a life time. And they still are not fleshless nor bloodless plants, they are still flesh and blood humans that, for that reason, are still fed on by pneuma-vores. I realize that vegetarians think they are holier than meat eaters but...they are still stuck in the same flesh and blood experience that rest of us are.

So are fruitarians and breatharians for that matter, so I think the matter is a bit deeper and complex than what someone had for dinner last night.

Another interesting little factoid that has been lost in our paternal grid lock is that the subject of blood is a woman's subject. Only a woman is able to convey blood kinship to others. Do men let blood once a month? No? Women themselves have been conditioned not to know their own creation matrices that is why we allowed a paternal paradigm to consume us.

The subject of flesh and bled esoterically and in an occult sense merits its own thread. We can't have a discussion of that sort because it will be shrilled down by those who get hysterical at the notion of eating Bambi, quite dismissing how we came to eat Bambi in the first place completely derailing the knowledge hidden in the conditions of flesh eating versus blood sacrifice.

The flesh is ONLY a conveyance for blood.

We are obsessed with flesh, the ptb with blood.

The question is why?

So instead of getting hung up on our belief attachments why don't we set them aside and explore a little bit how blood and flesh signify in our 'spiritual' practices.

What is the difference between flesh and blood? Without confusing the two and making one more important than the other, good, bad or indifferent.

9eagle9 is all over this forum and brings a great deal of wisdom to the table. This post of hers here is perhaps one of her most hard hitting posts yet. I vote YES to you, 9eagle9, (or someone here... maybe me if no one else) starts this thread because I can already see via the several points 9eagle9 made, that I for one would highly benefit from this deeper exploration and I suspect I would not be alone. justoneman

[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)
a suggestion : try using the power of compassion & empathy to stop eating dead animals, instead of doing it from concern for your 3D body

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by observer (here)
I should note, that far back into antiquity up until the Templar took-over the control of the Gnosis, each and every group that has assembled around the concept of a God of Unconditional Love have been vegetarians. I point to the history of the True Gnosis as evidence to what I'm reporting.

I've come to realize, the balance between good and evil all boils-down to if one is a meat eater, or not. I do believe there is a profound significance to this observation. Regardless of how those individuals who are drunk on the 'blood of the sacrifice' want to twist the reflection into something it really isn't.

As 9eagle9 inadvertently pointed-out in her rebuttal, it all boils-down to the significance of the blood. How do you prefer your meat.... rare??? with lots of juicy blood???

That point really doesn't matter, because even at 'well-done' the blood is still there.

It's all about participation in a ritual that gives-over the power to the 'Master of the Ceremony'.

My inner voice has been telling me this more and more recently. I have tried to go vegetarian more than once and failed. Each time I went through such a drop in my ability to think that I jeopardized my ability to work and thus my ability to provide for my family.

Having said the above, I have recently acquired a 30-day cleanse kit which all but demands a juice / raw fruits and vegetables diet.

I have been contacted by a poster here that has offered me help along the lines of removing parasites, specifically candida which I am all but certain I am riddled with.

I will keep folks posted as to what I do in this regard. I do not place the odds very high that I will succeed in eliminating meat from my diet, but I have once again cracked open this door and the clock of my physical body is definitely winding down.

Thanks, Observer... justoneman

Hi Wynderer, apologies I did not make that clear that that was the actual, core, motivating reason to explore this change in lifestyle. If there be other benefits, such as for my physical body, I see those as welcome, but secondary.

But I see going vegetarian as a personal decision that I would try out in hopes that I would feel better all around and not simply physically. What I am most certainly comfortable with is that others eat meat. Doesn't bother me a bit. Isn't that an individual choice?

In addition, 9eagle9s points appear far more penetrating as to the issues we seem consumed with in this thread and I hope this thread topic suggestion she made sees the light of day and soon.

There is no escaping the fact I live in a body, surrounded by flesh where blood flows within my veins. There is no denying that just about every single authority regarding life at its various levels seems highly preoccupied with blood.

Cheers! justoneman

[Chester]

For what its worth, Wynderer, Fred and I recently discussed stopping eating meat based on "compassion" and "empathy." I tried and lasted about 48 hours and told Fred I would be honest about it if I failed. At the same time, I don't nor won't judge any living being from eating any other living being as I live in a matrix of the consumers and the consumed, the chasers and the chased.

In fact, my acceptance that my essential being (my spirit) has chosen and/or been duped into incarnating within a material world dynamic within which I have anchored myself such that (at least when I was younger) what was most important was "me" and that this "me" was the "me" centered upon my physical body, this single life and what "I" could get out of it, has allowed me to free myself of that part of my reality which in turn has allowed my "true self" which is my spirit being to begin to blossom.

What I noticed by my "ego" learning to step aside is that I have become much more beneficial to my family, loved ones, friends and anyone else with which life places me in contact. I sense that this is beneficial for all of us and I am humbled in that I can be happy with doing the tiny part I can do in this regard.

justone

[9eagle9]

Eating dead animals, she said dryly, is preferable to eating living animals live.

I would make a request. If I give a heartfelt question, please don't give me a video-ized version of someone else's truth. That tells me a number of things, that you aren't seriously invested in your own truth, because its not really yours. It's someone elses. What I am asking of you is coming from me, not someone else.

[9eagle9]

I am very aware of the energetic effects of torturing animals and eating tortured animals especially wholesale. That has its own repercussions that people view as karma but I'm sure is simply cause and effect.

I am speaking of people who are responsible for what goes into their bodies. You can consume meat without being into the commercialized slaughterhouse aspect of it. I have free range chickens, I LOVE my chickens, even my greatest critics cannot deny that I love my chickens, I eat eggs produced from animals that are loved very much.

I get milk from a local dairy that treats its animals with respect. I can actually walk the dairy and see these animals are treated respectfully.

I would eat a free range chicken before I ate from a field that was covered in pesticides, and milled over by people who didn't respect the soil from where the plants grew.

I am not sure how I am torturing animals by behaving in this matter.

Meat of animals not handled with respect smells bad right out of the package.

So do plants that have been irradiated, and grown in corrupted soil.

[Fred Steeves]

This conversation is far too important to start turning into the old tired, and unresolvable debate over what we choose to put in our bellies. As far as I'm concerned anyway, we all live with blood on our hands. Not just physically, but energetically. Especially energetically. We either have the courage to regognize this and deal with it accordingly, or nothing will ever change.

We have met the enemy, and he is us.