split from Horus-Ra thread: discussion of conduct on that thread

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Although I must admit that 9eagle9 administers very bitter medicine to most, it is not wynderer's first attempt at putting "you humans" down either:

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
[...]

I am shaking my head upon exiting this thread but not surprised. I am going to be in other threads to share where I can but mostly learn and exchange ideas, which one can only do with an open mind.
It is a waste of time and energy having a debate [with] people that frame a debate for the sake of debate and not frame of reference on a subject or with a someone that desperately clings to the delusional belief that they are a spiritually superior “reptilian hybrid” “visitor” “not from this planet” that “doesn't understand” us/or “You Humans” that they are here on a mission to “wake up”? This is a non Human who has pickled their brain on several of up to “3 year” “alcoholic binges” and who knows what else (ALL Their words not mine)?

[...]

It took me a while to figure out who Corey was talking about and where all these quotes came from but I did.

Amzer Zo,

Can you elaborate please?

I don't quite follow who Corey is and what Corey was talking about and where the quotes came from.

Thank you.

DoT

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Although I must admit that 9eagle9 administers very bitter medicine to most, it is not wynderer's first attempt at putting "you humans" down either:

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
Amzer Zo,

Can you elaborate please?

I just moved these posts to this thread, from the other Horus-Ra thread

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Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
I don't quite follow who Corey is and what Corey was talking about and where the quotes came from.

Corey is GoodeTXSG .

I'll leave it to Amzer Zo to explain the hard stuff.

[observer]

Allow me to further clarify my BULL$HIT statement in comment #19 so that there is no misunderstanding.

There is every reason to believe that our thoughts DO create our reality. This is the process that the global elite have always used - since the Dawn of Man - in hypnotizing the Mass of Humanity into believing what one sees is 'real'.

There is also every reason to believe that our thoughts might, in some small ways, create our individual realities.

There is, however, NO conclusive evidence to show that ignoring the Abject Evil that has total control of this planet through a nearly impenetrable matrix is, in any way, the method those awake to that Abject Evil should conduct their affairs.

Only by shining light on the darkness will the rest of the Mass of Humanity finely wake-up.

Ignoring the evil, in pursuit of one's own affairs, is EXACYLY what that evil wants you to do.

I hope I've cleared that up....

[Hervé]

If you click on the (here) after GoodeTXSG (Corey) in the above quote, it will take you to a thread started by wynderer and where a similar behaviour as in the Horus Ra thread was displayed.

The quotes from within Corey's quote come from various other threads and posts by wynderer. Of which is this one: The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us

Hope this helps in establishing some balance?

[DeDukshyn]

I can spout the truth, say wise things, pull my INTJ and be a complete logic asshole all day long, putting down all the less educated people ... but I find I'm 10x more effective if I only do that when 100% called for and spend the rest of the time treating people like the fellow humans that they are and pointing them in the right directions or giving them something to ponder while on their personal journey. Not trying to make them feel bad about the journey they are on. Tell them where the shortcuts are? - now there's value.

For me showing people - no matter who they are kindness and compassion, sharing and not judging, IS the teaching. (But don't get me wrong, hard lessons can work too - instead of continuously telling my toddler to stay away from electrical outlets, I gave him a butter knife. Later that day I never had to worry about it again. Actually - I didn't do that, it's just an example of how hard lessons can work, I see this as the less desirable route, and each person has their own route - none is "right" and thus should not be judged)

My 2 cents.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by observer (here)
Allow me to further clarify my BULL$HIT statement in comment #19 so that there is no misunderstanding.

There is every reason to believe that our thoughts DO create our reality. This is the process that the global elite have always used - since the Dawn of Man - in hypnotizing the Mass of Humanity into believing what one sees is 'real'.

There is also every reason to believe that our thoughts might, in some small ways, create our individual realities.

There is, however, NO conclusive evidence to show that ignoring the Abject Evil that has total control of this planet through a nearly impenetrable matrix is, in any way, the method those awake to that Abject Evil should conduct their affairs.

Only by shining light on the darkness will the rest of the Mass of Humanity finely wake-up.

Ignoring the evil, in pursuit of one's own affairs, is EXACYLY what that evil wants you to do.

I hope I've cleared that up....

No ... you made a contradiction ... If people control their own realities, well that is what it is. People just need to come to that realization and learn how to do that -- what the controllers do at that stage is meaningless, but bringing them back into one's personal creation then brings them back ... no?

Maybe I'm just seeing your words differently than you intended.

[NancyV]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
Moved from the Horus-Ra thread by observer for obvious reasons. To see NancyV's comment #1860 its entirety, click-on the forwarding arrow.

[....snip]
The theme of this thread, and I've read every post, may be a lot more all encompassing than you seem to grasp or acknowledge.
[....snip]
I'm probably not alone in reacting to attempts to shame, blame or control me and others with a thought that consists of two words, when boiled down to its essence.
[....snip]
The words I use and mean when I say them are F U. Behind that FU is an absolute refusal to let myself be used.

I may be totally off-base here, NancyV, but the way I read this comment is that you are, in essence, telling me to go FU myself.

The point of all the comments I have made within the Horus-Ra thread, and many other threads on this website, have been to cast light on the understanding that our thoughts are being controlled telepathically.

Many members subscribe to the idea that our thoughts create our reality. This "theme" is generally the result of either, personal experiences, or channeled information coming from the Astral. This, in my humble opinion, and supported by the evidence all the way back to the Dawn of Man, is BULL$HIT !!!

The Horus-Ra thread is an evidential trail of how our thoughts are being controlled telepathically.

If one truly believes their thoughts create their own reality, than I ask (once again) to explain how the Afghani woman sitting in the bombed-out rubble of her home, holding her dead infant child had anything to do with thoughts creating one's own reality.

I believe this is the 'guilt trip' you are referring to. In your most recent comments in the Horus-
Ra thread.

It's not a 'guilt trip', it's a legitimate point of reference in debate with the concept that we all create our own reality. This 'guilt trip' comment from Sabastion to wynderer is what set-off the attack on wynderer.

The comment made by Sabastion which, I believe was deleted:
"Sorry Wynderer but I am not buying into your victim/prison paradigm, not today, not tomorrow, not ever!"

And, I believe, my reply to Sabastion is the basis for what you are saying in your above quoted comment #1860.

This point of reference, which was characterized as a "guilt trip" by many of those attacking wynderer has everything to do with the topic in Horus-Ra thread.

If I'm incorrect, than I publicly apologize to you for misreading your intention.

No apology needed, observer. I thought it was fairly obvious that I was saying FU to anyone who is attempting to control me or others through shame, blame, fear or guilt....but now that you've put the idea in my head...LOL... naww, don't think I'll go there right now.

The quote from Sebastion which you posted above is one I agree with completely. I also will not buy into anyone's victim/prison paradigm, not today, not tomorrow, NOT EVER!

Since I have been observing this thread from its inception and have appreciated all viewpoints, I have also noticed the interpersonal dynamics. I did not enter into said dynamics because I know it's a losing battle to attempt to explain to someone that their suffering is a choice. Their pain is usually NOT their choice, but their continued suffering is within their power to change.

Apparently you have a problem with channeling and it's a hot spot for you. Although I do not indulge in channeling or listen to channeled information, it doesn't push my buttons the way it seems to push yours. You use channeling as a battering ram to hit people over the head with as you have now done twice to me. You are making assumptions about people about whom you know almost nothing but THINK you know what they're talking about because they push a hot button you have and you jump immediately into defense/attack mode, like a frigging puppet on a string.

In a previous post you said that those of us who have made various posts over the time we've been on this forum stating that we've traveled out of body for years, had adventures on all planes up to the Source and merged with the Source, SHOULD provide PROOF. Aside from the fact that the demand to provide proof is ludicrous, I have no desire to prove any of my personal experiences to you and no attachment to your belief or disbelief about anything I have ever said.

Perhaps you might consider the conundrum or puzzle that something can be more than one thing. For example: we do create our own reality... but here on earth we seem to be subject to chance, to bad luck, to unfair circumstances such as starving, being caught up in wars, being taken as a slave, being kidnapped and raped, holding our dead child in the midst of a bombed out rubble. It sure as hell FEELS like bad luck and unfair and not right.

These things that happen to us here may very well be things that we have agreed to experience before we came into this life. That doesn't make them any easier to bear if we are the ones experiencing them, nor does it do any good at all to have someone say that you were ultimately responsible for your fate when you're in the middle of feeling the pain. Of course you're absolutely NOT going to hear this if you have a strong belief in the victim/victimizer dynamic.

It appears to me that you are indulging in the game of "my pain (or her pain) is worse than YOUR pain". You seem to be on a mission to wake people up to YOUR point of view. Well, that will never work so you'll probably just end up like Wynderer and delete your posts and leave in a huff. Although I doubt that you're quite as much in the victim mode as she is.

What I have observed, observer, is that Wynderer was and has been throughout her presence here on the Avalon forum, bound and determined to make sure that everyone knows how much she is suffering. When those needs were not fulfilled the way she wanted them fulfilled by a few in the Horus Ra thread who had advice for her to help END her suffering, and when she saw that her particular tactic was not working with several people, she CHANGED her tactics to even more of a victim role. She then took her toys (deleted her posts) and went home in a huff.

Well, it worked somewhat. It worked to the point that one of the strongest, most powerful voices on the forum, a real healer....was banned for 2 weeks because Wynderer's whining worked. (nice alliteration!) Certain people fell right into the trap and responded in a knee jerk fashion which kicked out the empowerer and rewarded (enabled) the victim. MY knee-jerk reaction was absolute disgust. Luckily that only lasted for about an hour because I was sorely tempted to quit the forum, but that would have been like "letting the bastards win". In this case the "bastards" are my own knee jerk reactions...as always.

Mr. Observer, anyone who has not observed Wynderers continued demeaning snipes at normal "humans", and she obviously is not one, since she has stated many times that she is not but just HAPPENED to have the bad luck to end up in a low consciousness human civilization, has their head stuck so far up their butt that I guess there is no real reason to try to point out the obvious. Well, at least it's obvious to me and to others who actually DO observe what's going on. This is one of the reasons that I haven't entered this thread until this point. I don't normally fight losing battles, but what the heck, I must be in a game playing mood today! LOL.....

I am NOT going to win an argument with you and you are not going to win an argument with me. I suggest that we call it a draw and agree to let each of us live contentedly in our own reality. If you choose to not accept that compromise, continue attacking to your hearts content. Far be it from me to deny you your little pleasures.

[Mike]

this forum is like an energy soup; it requires certain ingredients in *certain doses*.

i like 9Eagle9's ingredients, but her doses are a little excessive at times. cynicism can be an energy balancer at times, but harmful when not applied properly to the meal.

i won't pile on here. i hope she stays. the forum benefits from her presence, no doubt.

[gripreaper]

Oh darn, now we will never know what happened to the disappearing vegetables from 9eagle9's garden.

[observer]

Posted by NancyV (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see NanyV's comment #27

In reply to what you say Nancy, I can only say, there is no game being played here.

You were the one that made the first attack on my comment in your reply #1860 of the Horus-Ra thread.

You have your subjective interpretations to your very personal experiences.

I have my objective interpretations to the evidence I've been reviewing for the best part of the past fifty years. I can only conclude from your above comment that you are the one with the 'buttons' being pushed.

As I suggested to Sabastion in the Horus-Ra thread he should take his subjective interpretations to the threads where they were more appropriate.

The Horus-Ra thread is about objective evidential trails. Hard evidence, which subjective interpretations of very personal experiences, cannot produce.

I trust this reply will end this debate.

[Sidney]

I just want to say, and i know is a bit off topic, but there is some solar activity from a few recent cme's, and I have been really emotionally stimulated today. It seems, when this heppens, flare-ups uccur in conversation. This is not a criticism, or advice, merely an observation that solar activity sometimes causes drama.

[wynderer]

hi Observer --

re creating reality w/thoughts in this 3D matrix -- i think we all get little carrots that way , especially when we are following the teachings of the many channelers & Humans who promote the theory that 'we create our own reality' -- a nice little 'manifestation' here, some cool synchronicities there, etc

Alan Ginsberg & his friends were all into the 'creating personal reality' thing -- William S Burroughs, a part of their circle, & who knew of the Reptilians, warned them that 'the collective can override the personal'

edit to add: your image of the Afghani mother sitting w/her dead child in her arms -- a gripping image of the collective overriding the personal -- those who live in war-torn countries aren't so much into 'personal reality creation'

as i see it, it's on the collective level that Human reality IS created -- especially in the Human collective unconscious , in 4D -- because Humans are herd/pack/tribe Animals, they are predisposed to being easily manipulated on the collective level by the archons/controllers , both in 3D & in 4D

the archons/controllers have the Human collective mind pretty well under complete control by now , imo -- symbols & rituals are 2 of their chief tools --

as i learned from you, the endless slaughter of & cruelty to non-Human Animals by Humans all over the planet is in actuality an on-going blood sacrifice ritual, giving the archons power over Human minds & Human souls -- w/the consent of the Humans thru their actions &/or indifference -- the far-too-common practice of 'sacrificing' pure-souled children & babies seems to be a way of focussing & intensifying the power they get from Humans

re the wearisome 'victim' accusations -- i think i've figured it out -- to accept that i am not a victim -- as in 'choosing to be a victim' -- is to accept the fact that we are all trapped [ in these bodies at this time] in this matrix under the control of the archons -- if i can be seen as a choosing victimhood wimp, that means that it is easy to get free of the matrix -- a very useful lie at this time when many will be leaving their bodies soon

insisting that i can break free & stop the NWO abductions happening -- sometimes behind that i hear fear , along the lines of , 'If that can happen to her, it can happen to me too -- be quick, mind -- find a way out of this one'

this goes along w/the insistence that 'we create our realities' -- i wonder sometimes if those who uphold this p.o.v. so vehemently do so because deep down , they know how bad it is here -- [if they spent some time being a peace & justice actvist, or read a lot of history, they'd already know]

wyn

Posted by observer (here)
Allow me to further clarify my BULL$HIT statement in comment #19 so that there is no misunderstanding.

There is every reason to believe that our thoughts DO create our reality. This is the process that the global elite have always used - since the Dawn of Man - in hypnotizing the Mass of Humanity into believing what one sees is 'real'.

There is also every reason to believe that our thoughts might, in some small ways, create our individual realities.

There is, however, NO conclusive evidence to show that ignoring the Abject Evil that has total control of this planet through a nearly impenetrable matrix is, in any way, the method those awake to that Abject Evil should conduct their affairs.

Only by shining light on the darkness will the rest of the Mass of Humanity finely wake-up.

Ignoring the evil, in pursuit of one's own affairs, is EXACYLY what that evil wants you to do.

I hope I've cleared that up....

[observer]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

[....snip]
No ... you made a contradiction ... If people control their own realities, well that is what it is. [....snip]

Try and read exactly what I said, DeDukshyn.

Quoting observer's words from comment #23

There is also every reason to believe that our thoughts might, in some small ways, create our individual realities.

There is no contradiction in this thesis, i.e., in the exact meaning of what I said. Those among the members who are waging a battle with Abject Evil find it necessary to expose that Evil by shining light on it.

Those who believe that kind of focus is causing greater Evil to thrive are totally missing the point of the Horus-Ra thread. That thread is about wakening the Mass of Humanity to the core practices of Evil, and how those practices work on the manipulation of the Mass of Humanity.

Only by this kind of exposure do the Masses slowly wake-up.

If, you are one who believes your thoughts - even those thoughts designed to shed light on this particular Evil - are, in any way increasing this Evil, than I would suggest you are being fooled by telepathically implanted messages from the Astral.

An intensive review of the evidence - all the way back into antiquity - will show these Astral messages are being manipulated.

That is my point.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

[....snip]
No ... you made a contradiction ... If people control their own realities, well that is what it is. [....snip]

Try and read exactly what I said, DeDukshyn.

Quoting observer's words from comment #23

There is also every reason to believe that our thoughts might, in some small ways, create our individual realities.

There is no contradiction in this thesis, i.e., in the exact meaning of what I said. Those among the members who are waging a battle with Abject Evil find it necessary to expose that Evil by shining light on it.

Those who believe that kind of focus is causing greater Evil to thrive are totally missing the point of the Horus-Ra thread. That thread is about wakening the Mass of Humanity to the core practices of Evil, and how those practices work on the manipulation of the Mass of Humanity.

Only by this kind of exposure do the Masses slowly wake-up.

If, you are one who believes your thoughts - even those thoughts designed to shed light on this particular Evil - are, in any way increasing this Evil, than I would suggest you are being fooled by telepathically implanted messages from the Astral.

An intensive review of the evidence - all the way back into antiquity - will show these Astral messages are being manipulated.

That is my point.

I agree that the awakening process needs to shed light - I never said or indicated that it didn't. I'm at different point on the "route", that is all - I no longer see "Evil" but actions and reactions. There is no need to emotionally charge actions and reactions.

You are a little combative aren't you? Maybe that's an implant by Satan himself? LOL ... Don't take me seriously and I won't take you seriously. Sound good?

BTW you obviously don't read many of my posts -- one of my motto's is Believe nothing, and Consider Everything.

[Bill Ryan]

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Part of the problem, I think, is different members' differing perceptions of the value and purpose of Houman's thread.

Here's how I see its value:

• It's primarily an astonishingly rich resource library of information from deep researchers, some of whom many reading the thread may not have heard of.
• It's also a prompt for us all to reflect deeply on what is really happening on Planet Earth. (And some visual 'wake-up-to-reality' shock tactics were legitimately used.)
• It grew to become a place when some members, deeply affected, could share personal experiences -- a few of which were bewildering, terrifying or disturbing. Note that this can only be done effectively in a space that is perceived and experienced as non-judgmentally safe. Until 9eagle9 discovered the thread and joined in, it was safe. Ask justoneman, Daughter of Time, and others.
• It should not be a place -- as some other less important threads sometimes become -- where personal sparring, jousting and invalidation occurs, and/or where one or two people start to influence the tone and direction of the thread with their energy and agenda. The informational content of this thread alone is worth every plaudit I and others have made, and it's crystal clear that some members think that they can just run in to the room, make a few jokes or crass comments, and then leave (or worse still, return several times the next day, and the next after that).

Nancy, a couple of points if I may:

1) You may not have seen some of the posts that were deleted, and nor will have you have read the recent PM exchange between myself and 9eagle9. I'm prepared to publish my half of this if it's helpful. (And you may be surprised at what I wrote to her.)

2) I agree with you in almost all that you say. You know that I have an immense amount of respect for you. I have even asked you three times if you would join the moderators' team. (That offer will always be open, btw!)

But it's hard for me to understand how you could have read Houman's thread in depth since its inception, till the present, and not have seen how the energy changed. That's what bothered me to the point when I unilaterally took the step of writing to 9eagle9 as I did.

I take full responsibility for that, was uninfluenced by anyone else, and I stand by my call. I accept fully that she's committed to speaking her truth. But the way she speaks her truth, and the way you speak yours, are entirely different in tone, quality, and energy.

This is the point. I admire some of 9eagle9's posts. I agree with quite a few of them. I believe that she cares and intends to add value, and quite often does. But I do not often enjoy the energy that she emanates. While that is of course an individual matter, I doubt that anyone here would say what about yourself. There lies the difference.

And it's an important difference. It's not just subjective: the content of what people write is often a window into their mind, and what it's like inside that person.

In order to be a good teacher, the student has to be willing to be with that teacher. All good teachers know that. Beating a student around the head with angry words, like a one-trick pony with no other options, is not being a good teacher.

[wynderer]

one more post, as this thread is about conduct

re a couple of members' referring to the split in the Hybrids & Clones threads & my posts -- [likely this post will be taken as more evidence of my choosing victimhood ] -- as those who are the abductees of choice by Reptilians , esp Dracos, know, they -- the Reptilians, who some think are the archons -- do not like to be talked or written about -- i knew what i was opening myself up to by starting both my abduction , & the hybrids/clones threads -- & i got whammied...

also i had been very rudely treated on Nexus where i first posted the abduction story, & i was thus oversensitive -- also i have a lot of Celtic blood & and tend to be quick-tempered -- also i am not especially emotionally mature to begin with

to me, it's not whining to write about the nature of their attacks -- it's more like a kind of reporting what they do -- as in 'know your enemy'

& honestly, i do not post about such things to try to win a popularity contest on Avalon -- that's not why i'm here -- i can't, nor do i want , to control what others think of me

civility would be nice, tho

[NancyV]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Part of the problem, I think, is different members' differing perceptions of the value and purpose of Houman's thread.

Here's how I see its value:

• It's primarily an astonishingly rich resource library of information from deep researchers, some of whom many reading the thread may not have heard of.
• It's also a prompt for us all to reflect deeply on what is really happening on Planet Earth. (And some visual 'wake-up-to-reality' shock tactics were legitimately used.)
• It grew to become a place when some members, deeply affected, could share personal experiences -- a few of which were bewildering, terrifying or disturbing. Note that this can only be done effectively in a space that is perceived and experienced as non-judgmentally safe. Until 9eagle9 discovered the thread and joined in, it was safe. Ask justoneman, Daughter of Time, and others.
• It should not be a place -- as some other less important threads sometimes become -- where personal sparring, jousting and invalidation occurs, and/or where one or two people start to influence the tone and direction of the thread with their energy and agenda. The informational content of this thread alone is worth every plaudit I and others have made, and it's crystal clear that some members think that they can just run in to the room, make a few jokes or crass comments, and then leave (or worse still, return several times the next day, and the next after that).

Nancy, a couple of points if I may:

1) You may not have seen some of the posts that were deleted, and nor will have you have read the recent PM exchange between myself and 9eagle9. I'm prepared to publish my half of this if it's helpful. (And you may be surprised at what I wrote to her.)

2) I agree with you in almost all that you say. You know that I have an immense amount of respect for you. I have even asked you three times if you would join the moderators' team. (That offer will always be open, btw!)

But it's hard for me to understand how you could have read Houman's thread in depth since its inception, till the present, and not have seen how the energy changed. That's what bothered me to the point when I unilaterally took the step of writing to 9eagle9 as I did.

I take full responsibility for that, was uninfluenced by anyone else, and I stand by my call. I accept fully that she's committed to speaking her truth. But the way she speaks her truth, and the way you speak yours, are entirely different in tone, quality, and energy.

This is the point. I admire some of 9eagle9's posts. I agree with quite a few of them. I believe that she cares and intends to add value, and quite often does. But I do not often enjoy the energy that she emanates. While that is of course an individual matter, I doubt that anyone here would say what about yourself. There lies the difference.

And it's an important difference. It's not just subjective: the content of what people write is often a window into their mind, and what it's like inside that person.

In order to be a good teacher, the student has to be willing to be with that teacher. All good teachers know that. Beating a student around the head with angry words, like a one-trick pony with no other options, is not being a good teacher.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your kind words to me, you know I love you. But that doesn't mean that we always agree with each other, in fact the disagreements in different threads often bring out the best revelations and even allow people to come to more of an understanding about themselves.

I really am fully aware of how abrasive 9eagle can be and I believe that her methods are extremely valuable for those who can only hear someone like her. Many people can give compassion but actually end up enabling those who receive the compassion. What 9eagle does is a heck of a lot more difficult to do, be a continuous A-hole while putting out some extremely valuable information. There are those who haven't heard anything from people who schmoozed with them and comforted them, but then they get a dose of 9eagle and it WAKES them UP in a very abrupt manner. It can be kind of like shock therapy. LOL...If she can even help one or two people, and she has helped MANY more, then her methods are valid.

Compassion is only good for some temporary relief, but it is valuable and most people need it. If people who are brainwashed, abused, controlled and tortured truly want to get empowered, then the therapy for some may initially need to be somewhat shocking and tough. One form of therapy doesn't work for everyone. The way I saw the energy change when 9eagle began participating in the thread was a change for the better, a focus on empowering oneself and shaking off the shackles of the Archon's influence. She also called certain people on their hypocrisy and refused to enable their victim stance and their blame games. I certainly didn't see her words to be as vile and shocking as many of the videos and photos that were posted.

Of course I agree that it's good to see the face of evil. We need to know what we're dealing with and Houman has been instrumental in showing people how much and what kinds of evil are in the world. My opinion is that if you want to fight the evil you sometimes have to be tougher and nastier than the evil. It's like my husband saying that as a counter-terrorist he had to be a better terrorist than the terrorists. If you want someone to fight evil for you or teach you to fight evil, are you going to get a peace/love hippie to chant at it or beam love at it? Or are you going to get 9eagle to tear it to shreds with her unflinching, fearless and aggressive style. I'll take 9eagle any day here on the earth dimension to help with defeating the Archons.

We can't be politically correct when dealing with evil. We can't be limited by the societal dictates of being polite and correct in all our communications. I admit that I'm a bit more subtle in my nastiness than 9eagle is. I will say that I'm probably just as or more aggressive and nasty than she is but I might be more deceptive in not showing my real self, whereas she is totally herself and lets it all hang out. What you see is what you get.

Personally I have always sought out teachers who beat me around the head with a stick. I always end up laughing because I love those tactics and they suit me. I understand that others are intimidated by that type of a teacher or just prefer less of an aggressive style. Since it's your forum you can control the style of communication and teaching that you allow on your forum, which you have done. I was also irritated when you banned LordSid, even though he was a constant pain in the butt! LOL...

Thanks for offering to show us your communications with 9eagle but since they were apparently private to you, I would only want to see them if she wanted that to happen. I know you've done what you think is best and I respect you for that and agree that you have every right to do it. Of course it still pisses me off, but I think I must ENJOY getting pissed off upon occasion. So thanks for the opportunity, I've appreciated it and it's been fun! LOL...

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by NancyV (here)
trimm .. trimming ... still trimming ...


Thanks for your kind words to me, you know I love you. But that doesn't mean that we always agree with each other, in fact the disagreements in different threads often bring out the best revelations and even allow people to come to more of an understanding about themselves.

I really am fully aware of how abrasive 9eagle can be and I believe that her methods are extremely valuable for those who can only hear someone like her. Many people can give compassion but actually end up enabling those who receive the compassion. What 9eagle does is a heck of a lot more difficult to do, be a continuous A-hole while putting out some extremely valuable information. There are those who haven't heard anything from people who schmoozed with them and comforted them, but then they get a dose of 9eagle and it WAKES them UP in a very abrupt manner. It can be kind of like shock therapy. LOL...If she can even help one or two people, and she has helped MANY more, then her methods are valid.

Compassion is only good for some temporary relief, but it is valuable and most people need it. If people who are brainwashed, abused, controlled and tortured truly want to get empowered, then the therapy for some may initially need to be somewhat shocking and tough. One form of therapy doesn't work for everyone. The way I saw the energy change when 9eagle began participating in the thread was a change for the better, a focus on empowering oneself and shaking off the shackles of the Archon's influence. She also called certain people on their hypocrisy and refused to enable their victim stance and their blame games. I certainly didn't see her words to be as vile and shocking as many of the videos and photos that were posted.

Of course I agree that it's good to see the face of evil. We need to know what we're dealing with and Houman has been instrumental in showing people how much and what kinds of evil are in the world. My opinion is that if you want to fight the evil you sometimes have to be tougher and nastier than the evil. It's like my husband saying that as a counter-terrorist he had to be a better terrorist than the terrorists. If you want someone to fight evil for you or teach you to fight evil, are you going to get a peace/love hippie to chant at it or beam love at it? Or are you going to get 9eagle to tear it to shreds with her unflinching, fearless and aggressive style. I'll take 9eagle any day here on the earth dimension to help with defeating the Archons.

We can't be politically correct when dealing with evil. We can't be limited by the societal dictates of being polite and correct in all our communications. I admit that I'm a bit more subtle in my nastiness than 9eagle is. I will say that I'm probably just as or more aggressive and nasty than she is but I might be more deceptive in not showing my real self, whereas she is totally herself and lets it all hang out. What you see is what you get.

Personally I have always sought out teachers who beat me around the head with a stick. I always end up laughing because I love those tactics and they suit me. I understand that others are intimidated by that type of a teacher or just prefer less of an aggressive style. Since it's your forum you can control the style of communication and teaching that you allow on your forum, which you have done. I was also irritated when you banned LordSid, even though he was a constant pain in the butt! LOL...

Thanks for offering to show us your communications with 9eagle but since they were apparently private to you, I would only want to see them if she wanted that to happen. I know you've done what you think is best and I respect you for that and agree that you have every right to do it. Of course it still pisses me off, but I think I must ENJOY getting pissed off upon occasion. So thanks for the opportunity, I've appreciated it and it's been fun! LOL...

I hear you on this as well NancyV for what it is worth. I have had in interesting ride with 9eagle myself - I won't point to the thread but it sure was interesting. I saw both her method but also her madness. I saw what was a great method being used inappropriately (My opinion).

You may know me as that ass sometimes too and you can be that one as well, yet we both are much more reserved and selective in those situations. I think, if my input was valid at all, that that is what I would say to 9eagle -- keep doing what you do, but learn when and when not to do it - sometimes, when you learn a broader range of methods, it becomes much more valuable to pick some over others. Her harsh ways are games, that most people gave up as children. Some need this style but that style can only be effectively actualized when the ridicule, judgement, and criticism is set aside.

This is my two cents and I am intruding on a conversation that is not really mine. While compassion can be seen as weakness -- on the higher levels it is clearly a strength - it is the natural evolution of mankind to have less reliance on the fear based emotions and more on the love based ones. Just my 2 cents - probably worthless, but its what I just spent 5 minutes writing so I'll click the darn submit button anyway

[CdnSirian]

Wow. Quite the thread, after not being on the forum for just a few hours.
1. It's Bill's site.
2. When I first joined I was truly smacked up the side of the head by a few members - 9eagle9 being one. I almost left forever.
3. I just cruised and got to know people. Some are easier to take than others. Yet I got to communicate more effectively with some, 9 Eagle 9 included, and got to admire them, her included.

I can see that she's intensely focused on her take on reality - and it is a productive take. Her communication, yeah takes getting used to.

It still blows me away a little bit sometimes - but if she goes, I will miss her.

I am Canadian of English parents. Manners are above all. Yet I went to school with Americans, and adapted to different manners. I know Bill has been around - so what can I say. Not knowing what they've discussed PM wise - I hope it works out somehow.

[NancyV]

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In reply to what you say Nancy, I can only say, there is no game being played here.

You were the one that made the first attack on my comment in your reply #1860 of the Horus-Ra thread.

You have your subjective interpretations to your very personal experiences.

I have my objective interpretations to the evidence I've been reviewing for the best part of the past fifty years. I can only conclude from your above comment that you are the one with the 'buttons' being pushed.

As I suggested to Sabastion in the Horus-Ra thread he should take his subjective interpretations to the threads where they were more appropriate.

The Horus-Ra thread is about objective evidential trails. Hard evidence, which subjective interpretations of very personal experiences, cannot produce.

I trust this reply will end this debate.

ALMOST done, but I have a couple of comments on your post. First, I did not mention nor post about you first. I could go find the post you made a couple of days ago where Sebastion said something about asking 4-5 people about there being NO judgment in the higher dimensions, but that would take a while so I won't. You mentioned that we should all take our channeling and "subjective" experiences and basically shove them where the sun don't shine (a bit of poetic license here) unless we could show PROOF. So you are incorrect in saying that I attacked you first.

Second: EVERYTHING is subjective! You can take your supposed objectivity and do what I said in my bit of poetic license above. LOL... The "evidence", photos, opinions, drawings, videos, etc. posted on the Horus Ra thread are not absolute PROOF of the full extent or meaning of the so called Archons. They are hints, indications, opinions. Only the actual photos or live videos can be real PROOF. Of course they could possibly be tampered with. Everything is open to interpretation, hence SUBJECTIVE. Everything you see with your eyes and hear with your ears is interpreted through your unique computer/brain, hence SUBJECTIVE.

Enuf said.

PS: I'm also 65 and also have over 50 years of active research and experience. So as impressive as it is that you and I have done so much research for so many years, we all know that a fool can easily become an OLD fool. Of course I am referring to myself and this is a completely SUBJECTIVE statement. I mention that so you don't immediately jump to the SUBJECTIVE conclusion that I'm attacking you.