The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us

[pugwash84]

Wynderer, I think you sound a lot like me.
I do not think I am a reptile but my Nanna may disagree, she is a loony who said I was the spawn of the Devil and tried to burn me. She always loved my brothers and sisters more than me too and got them gifts and left me out because she said I was not my Dads child. She was a crazy nasty lady. (I think humans seem to be more nasty than aliens at times.)
I'm about 5'7 nearly 5'8 and very intelligent and also my friends think I'm slightly psychic, I am lucky because I have a few friends who love my crazy lol

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Rantaak (here)

You can't fake being genuine, as Bill Ryan (O Captain, my comrade) has stated. You certainly can try, but it will become transparent to anyone who is truly genuine.

My favorite quote:

Honesty and integrity make the world go round. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
-- Groucho Marx

[wynderer]

this thread has stayed in the back of my mind as unfinished -- i didn't write about my Grey walk-in friend, who gave me permission to write about her

[ED209]

Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate the sharing, but I kind of have a problem with people walking around thinking they are superior to the rest of us for any reason, reptilian or otherwise, and I think many people probably think the same thing. I don't like it. I don't think it is appropriate for this forum. You shouldn't be surprised if claims of superiority result in negativity from others. I do not fawn all over people that claim to be of better stock than myself for information. You shoukd not be surprised. We are all in this life and planet together equally. Or at least that is how it should be. I thought reptilians were supposed to be the bad guys, anyway. So are reptilian hybrids bad or what? Don't answer that. I don't want to stereotype any more than what has already been done here. What is so wrong with just being human? Trying to classify people based on characteristics that are subjectively deemed superior is supremist. This sort of thread is dividing to me and just doesn't sit well in my mind or heart. There is enough prejudice in the world as it is.

Also, btw, many animals have different blood types. Are you saying that aliens came and made hybrids of everything? Dogs, cats, storks, everything?

[wynderer]

it's just a fact, a reality, that Reptilians consider Humans to be quite stupid -- as they have been controlling Human minds for millennia [see Houman's archon thread, esp Observer's posts], they may have a point

the intent of this thread was not to discuss the Reptilian superiority complex & whether or not we like it -- the intent was to alert you all to the fact that Reptilian/Human hybrids are being 'seeded' thruout this world, & that Grey clones are illegally taking over Human bodies

Posted by ED209 (here)
Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate the sharing, but I kind of have a problem with people walking around thinking they are superior to the rest of us for any reason, reptilian or otherwise, and I think many people probably think the same thing. I don't like it. I don't think it is appropriate for this forum. You shouldn't be surprised if claims of superiority result in negativity from others. I do not fawn all over people that claim to be of better stock than myself for information. You shoukd not be surprised. We are all in this life and planet together equally. Or at least that is how it should be. I thought reptilians were supposed to be the bad guys, anyway. So are reptilian hybrids bad or what? Don't answer that. I don't want to stereotype any more than what has already been done here. What is so wrong with just being human? Trying to classify people based on characteristics that are subjectively deemed superior is supremist. This sort of thread is dividing to me and just doesn't sit well in my mind or heart. There is enough prejudice in the world as it is.

Also, btw, many animals have different blood types. Are you saying that aliens came and made hybrids of everything? Dogs, cats, storks, everything?

[ED209]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Kristin]

Warning to those that are easily triggered, this may not be an easy read.

There was a military program in the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York that sought out and abducted children in the early seventies. Entire families were involved. Military and "others" even went into schools and tested these children to find out if they had certain penchants for mind control, remote viewing, kinetic abilities and so on.

Submarines where used to navigate these very deep lakes at night and take these children in where they were then experimented on. Children were strapped to chairs, had strobe lights flared at them through goggles and were put into psychosis while drugs where pumped into their veins to promote splitting and multiple personalities. Some of these children where physically and sexually tortured to ascertain how much pain they could take; those that made it where shipped out into other programs and used as assets for alleged on and off world missions.

Many of the children that where targeted as having gifts and abilities where harvested from families with masonic ties and with connections to politics and Illuminati bloodlines. The number of UFO sightings at this time in that area was off the charts. (To the point where it was regular table conversation.) A great deal of these abductions occurred with the help of the Romulus Military base and with a deal that was struck with the local Romulus Elementary School who allowed access to classrooms by these controllers to test potential children. This was done through an elementary principal who was later fired on child molestation allegations.

The idea that this area of upstate New York was (and perhaps still is) a hotbed for this type of activity is not only tangible, but has witnesses to confirm. I will not open up this dialog as to the source of this information... however, I am personally willing to discuss this subject with the most honesty and integrity that I have from the information that I know.

From the Heart,
Kristin

PS, this is to support some of the evidence that was stated prior at the beginning of this thread and is a piece of the puzzle to be considered. I mean no derailment, only supportive information.

[wynderer]

THANK YOU Kristen for this post -- tho upon reading just the first bit, my body instantly began doing things that i know from experience are saying, 'Alert! Alert! Dangerous memory resurfacing!' -- going automatically into a self-defense posture, breathing getting short & quick, muscles tensing , hypervigilance activated

in my phone consult w/Duncan & Miranda [paid for by an inactive Avalon member -- thanks ] , there was a lot of interference -- at times, Miranda had to act as the go-between w/what Duncan was saying to me

one thing i did get was that his saying that there was a LOT of milab stuff going on in the Finger Lakes area

i found it somewhat ironic that i was having the attempted Skype consult from right within the 'heart' of the milab program -- Cornell U, which i'd learned, i think from Alex Constantine's site, was where the funds for all the mind-control programs were channeled [also where my bio father & mother met, him thru OSS recruitment program -- i think he flunked out]

Kristen -- any connection to the OZ books by L Frank Baum w/what you know? -- the artist drew some of his images from the land here -- very beautiful , w, i think, many natural Earth energy portals

wyn

[Kristin]

Hello Wyn,
No connection that I am aware of... though I feel it would be interesting to look into it. Are any of those images on line? What do you see as the connection? You are in good hands with Duncan and Miranda. They have been very instrumental to my own recovery. I do not doubt the connection with Cornell University. I know one of these abductees who ended up going there.

From the Heart,
Kristin

What are the years that you were involved?

[wynderer]

Hi Kristin -- i was taught to read at the age of 3 on the original book of 'The Wizard of Oz' -- the first book i remember being read to me was the original [ as in non-Disney] 'Alice in Wonderland' when i was a bit younger -- apparently the Alice programming did not take, tho i don't especially like mirrors -- but i read all the OZ books thru over & over again -- as i say, reading the OZ books predisposes a child to understanding interdimensional travel

i sometimes think i was one of the earliest group of MK Ultra kids -- &, tho i grew up in the Philly area, i associate the OZ thing w/Cornell -- a lot of casualties in the first groups --

edit to add : that Romulus base always has given me the creeps when i've driven by it -- it's huge, w/no buildings visible from the highway i've gone by it on -- they were doing a lot of construction there a while ago -- all those trucks in & out

dark heavy vibes in the village of Romulus also -- NY State is the 'Empire State'

wyn


from the article/link below:
'Programming is updated periodically and reinforced through visual, auditory and written mediums. Some of the first programming themes included the Wizard of Oz and Alice and Wonderland, both heavily saturated with occultic symbolism.'
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so..._mindcon02.htm

'The Evolution of Project MKULTRA -- Project Monarch -- Nazi Mind Control'

by Ron Patton

from ThinkAboutIt Website

Amidst the subtle cerebral circumvention of the gullible populace, through a multitude of manipulated mediums, lies one of the most diabolical atrocities perpetrated upon a segment of the human race; a form of systematic mind control which has permeated every aspect of society for almost fifty years.

To objectively ascertain the following, one may need to re-examine preconceived ideologies relating to the dualistic nature of mankind.

Resolving the philosophical question of whether we are inherently good or inherently evil is tantamount in shaping our perception of reality; specifically, the spiritual variable within the equation of life.

This exposition is substantiated by declassified U.S. government documents, individuals formerly connected to the U.S. intelligence communities, historical writings, researchers knowledgeable in mind control, publications from mental health practitioners, and interviews taken from survivors unwittingly subjected to a highly complex form of trauma-based mind control known as MONARCH programming.

A word of caution for survivors of intensively systematic mind control and/or some form of ritualized abuse: There are numerous "triggers" in this article.

It is therefore recommended not to read it unless appropriate support systems are in place or if you have a thoroughly reintegrated personality.'
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[Bill Ryan]

Posted by ED209 (here)
Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate the sharing, but I kind of have a problem with people walking around thinking they are superior to the rest of us for any reason, reptilian or otherwise, and I think many people probably think the same thing. I don't like it. I don't think it is appropriate for this forum.

ED209, thanks for your thoughts and feelings, which I respect. It's an important topic that you raise.

I've studied these subjects for quite a long time. There are tens of thousands of people on the planet -- and a lot of them gravitate to forums like this! -- who in one way or another perceive themselves as "different".

There are many ways in which this feeling of "difference" manifests. In my experience, none of the people I have met and talked with (and there are many!) consider themselves "superior".

Rather, they're trying to put a puzzle together, and this often involves retrieving suppressed memories which are often disturbing or even traumatic. The issue becomes even harder to deal with when they feel that there is a danger of rejection or ridicule if they share their thoughts and feelings with others.

For this reason, I am committed to creating a safe space on Avalon for people to share their experiences. Sometimes, someone may have a piece of another person's puzzle. This is one of the great values of open, non-judgmental dialog.

The issues of hybrids and clones is just one of many. If you've not read it, here's Dr David Jacobs' book THE THREAT.

http://projectavalon.net/David_Jacobs_The_Threat.pdf

For anyone concerned with these and similar issues, this is mandatory reading.

Here are some more related issues -- which I've personally experienced in conversation with others:

• Those who have worked in black projects.
• Those who were Illuminati children.
• Those who have suffered sexual or emotional abuse at their hands of their family.
• Those who have been abducted by ETs or the military for unknown purposes.
• Those who have vivid past-life memories of things that they do not understand.
• Those who have had very real close encounters with entities or beings that were terrifying and bewildering.

There are quite a few more out there, also. Some of these categories are multiply inter-related.

Having experienced these things is no fun. It makes a mess of one's life. It makes relationships difficult (and sometimes this is an understatement). It makes one feel one is an outcast, or that there is something wrong with oneself -- far from feeling superior! One can harbor deep feelings of guilt or shame which are really hard to dispel as all the circumstances involved are simply not known.

This is an important statement. I'm going to copy this to the Horus-Ra thread as well. ED209, sincere thanks to you again for your post and for your contribution to the discussion. It gives me the opportunity to explain this more clearly, and for the benefit of all.

[bogeyman]

They are a bridge.

[ED209]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by ED209 (here)
Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate the sharing, but I kind of have a problem with people walking around thinking they are superior to the rest of us for any reason, reptilian or otherwise, and I think many people probably think the same thing. I don't like it. I don't think it is appropriate for this forum.

ED209, thanks for your thoughts and feelings, which I respect. It's an important topic that you raise.

I've studied these subjects for quite a long time. There are tens of thousands of people on the planet -- and a lot of them gravitate to forums like this! -- who in one way or another perceive themselves as "different".

There are many ways in which this feeling of "difference" manifests. In my experience, none of the people I have met and talked with (and there are many!) consider themselves "superior".

Rather, they're trying to put a puzzle together, and this often involves retrieving suppressed memories which are often disturbing or even traumatic. The issue becomes even harder to deal with when they feel that there is a danger of rejection or ridicule if they share their thoughts and feelings with others.

For this reason, I am committed to creating a safe space on Avalon for people to share their experiences. Sometimes, someone may have a piece of another person's puzzle. This is one of the great values of open, non-judgmental dialog.

The issues of hybrids and clones is just one of many. If you've not read it, here's Dr David Jacobs' book THE THREAT.

http://projectavalon.net/David_Jacobs_The_Threat.pdf

For anyone concerned with these and similar issues, this is mandatory reading.

Here are some more related issues -- which I've personally experienced in conversation with others:

• Those who have worked in black projects.
• Those who were Illuminati children.
• Those who have suffered sexual or emotional abuse at their hands of their family.
• Those who have been abducted by ETs or the military for unknown purposes.
• Those who have vivid past-life memories of things that they do not understand.
• Those who have had very real close encounters with entities or beings that were terrifying and bewildering.

There are quite a few more out there, also. Some of these categories are multiply inter-related.

Having experienced these things is no fun. It makes a mess of one's life. It makes relationships difficult (and sometimes this is an understatement). It makes one feel one is an outcast, or that there is something wrong with oneself -- far from feeling superior! One can harbor deep feelings of guilt or shame which are really hard to dispel as all the circumstances involved are simply not known.

This is an important statement. I'm going to copy this to the Horus-Ra thread as well. ED209, sincere thanks to you again for your post and for your contribution to the discussion. It gives me the opportunity to explain this more clearly, and for the benefit of all.

Thank you, Bill, for that clarification. And thank you Wynderer for sharing and putting up with my misunderstanding. I appreciate it. I have worked with a lot of traumatized folks, and the coping/understanding tone of this thread is very different than say a standard human suffering from PTSD would be -- it is much more open and present (which is a good thing) -- so it threw me. I thought Wynderer was saying that hybrids are just superior to regular old humans. In all fairness the thread is called "For the Hybrids and Clones Among Us," but I was really drawn to reading through it just to read about experiences that are outside of my own reality.

[bogeyman]

They are here to learn so they can teach us. After the intervention. Spiritual matters, balance. That is all I am saying.

[Rantaak]

Posted by Zebra (here)

Posted by Rantaak (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
from Rantaak's post # 104

Such a display of power is truly a rare occurrence and is coincidentally incapable of appearing on youtube or video (to my knowledge).


it's not a 'display of power ' -- it's a breakdown of their ability to hold their Human form because of the new energies coming in -- Arizona Wilder mentioned this

this also explains why SO MANY CHILDREN ARE GOING MISSING RIGHT NOW -- some Reptilians who totally control/live in their Human bodies -- the Reptilian walk-ins -- need the blood of pure souls to keep their forms

No, the ones abducting children do not have that kind of power. That's why they feel the need to abduct children.

Rantaak, I hope you are checking in here. Can you please tell why you are so certain about the ones who abduct children? I only ask because I am querying here the sources for this information. Is this from your own experience? Or, from what you have read? Or viewed on a video?

I think it is important - and not just from yourself - but all of us! I think it is important that we provide that kind of information when we make claims as certain as this.

And of course, I must be honest with you, I am intrigued to know more about yourself - in relation to this knowledge field. If your knowing does actually come from some form of experience with hybrids and clones, it would be great if you could expand on this a little more. It would be very valuable, I think.

Only if you so wish to share, naturally.

Hi Zebra. I am now checking in because I saw this thread again in the "new posts" area. I appreciate your curiosity and eagerness to listen to what someone like me has to say.

All of the information I share here on Project Avalon is from personal experience, of which I have had much. I make bold claims, often without explicit empirical explanations, and that is because regardless of the extent to which I go to explain or validate my beliefs it is still your personal choice to accept, reject, or consider them. I will allow you to indulge me in defining myself for the purposes of demonstrating validity.

I was born into this body with abilities that I have refined in many other lifetimes. I came here from the eighth density of vibration, where any manifestation of duality is explicitly non-dual. My spirit or higher self is unlike most human incarnations, as it is without gender instead of being of both genders. So spiritually, I am a eunuch. I work with the Elves, the Fae and the Dragons, as well as other groups that I am not at liberty to discuss at this moment in time. I have met many, many other beings of similar nature to myself, some of which even belong to the same family which I came from before incarnating on Earth. One of them is dead (as of January 2011), the other is Drunvalo Melchizedek (we are brothers). There are a few others who I do not remember enough about to name or identify. I have been to many places in the unfolding of the Earth game, though my memory is still being returned to me. I was in Atlantis when it fell (and long before), as one of the "elite" group you may have heard of which acted as a sort of spiritual government. We knew exactly what was going to happen and we still allowed it to happen, just as I now allow the elites of today to continue their work, such as the Vatican and the Rothschilds. I work with a lady who has received many death threats from these groups. She is the Sirian queen and works in the Gold business. I was also in Greece a looooong time ago and Egypt during many of its rulerships. Again, I know who I was back then but if I tell you it might evoke feelings that would be counterproductive. All you need to know is that this is my final Earther incarnation. Enough.

My knowledge and energy comes to me from the tiny and sacred space of my heart. My mind still works when I utilize this mechanism, but it must be relaxed as not to interfere or filter it out. The brain is a dualistic mechanism, and will filter the Unity that comes from within us into duality. If you are a musician, you can very easily understand this because you do it all of the time when you improvise. You stand with your instrument and stop thinking, which results in the muscles and the heart taking over your body. This is when the best improvisation takes place, when we fully let go of the mind. In order to do this, however, both hemispheres of the brain must be in complete synchronization such that the logical faculties agree impeccably with the emotional faculties, facilitating the antennae known to us as the Pineal Gland.

I would highly recommend reading the Principia Discordia, by Robert Anton Wilson (I think). He talks about a lot of this sort of stuff. Very empowering book. Also one of the funniest books I've ever read. I nearly suffocated from laughter many times throughout it.

I am done indulging in the auto-fellation of my own ego on this thread. If you have any personal questions to ask, feel free to message me :-)

Have a lovely day!

[mountain_jim]

Another recommendation for reading that from Robert Anton Wilson, as well as his other works for helpful points of view for confronting and rooting out beliefs and belief systems which may be holding one's progress back.

[SEAM]

From David Jabobs, "The Threat":

"During the subsequent hypnotic sessions with me, the abductees recall events that can be
profoundly disturbing, bizarre, and frightening. When asked if they would undergo
hypnosis and relive their experiences if they had a choice to do so all over again, they are
often ambivalent. While most say yes and some are uncertain, a few say no—they would
rather not know what has been happening to them"

Five years ago, My gentle giant Barney (Golden Retriever) developed cancer. We took him to the Vet (many times) to try and save him. He used to scream when he was put on the Vets table, (I always left the room.. couldn't bear to watch) because he knew this wasn't going to be pleasant. But before I would leave, I always would hug him and attempt to explain why this was for his benefit... I knew he didn't understand, but I also knew I was right!

Most abductees say the little ones do the work, while the tall ones, who enter the room long enough to emit some quick love... then leave.

"My mind is open.. My hearts "jury" is still out...

[wynderer]

dogs can be healed of cancer thru natural/non-hurtful means as well as humans -- what one gives the Universe permission to be done to another, one also gives the permission for the same to be done to oneself

my Grey walk-in friend [apparently just as brainwashed as most regular Humans] also tells me that her abductions are to take care of her -- i have tried to point out to her that she is not in good health, & spends a lot of time at docs & in hospitals

short or tall, they lie

Posted by SEAM (here)
From David Jabobs, "The Threat":

"During the subsequent hypnotic sessions with me, the abductees recall events that can be
profoundly disturbing, bizarre, and frightening. When asked if they would undergo
hypnosis and relive their experiences if they had a choice to do so all over again, they are
often ambivalent. While most say yes and some are uncertain, a few say no—they would
rather not know what has been happening to them"

Five years ago, My gentle giant Barney (Golden Retriever) developed cancer. We took him to the Vet (many times) to try and save him. He used to scream when he was put on the Vets table, (I always left the room.. couldn't bear to watch) because he knew this wasn't going to be pleasant. But before I would leave, I always would hug him and attempt to explain why this was for his benefit... I knew he didn't understand, but I also knew I was right!

Most abductees say the little ones do the work, while the tall ones, who enter the room long enough to emit some quick love... then leave.

"My mind is open.. My hearts "jury" is still out...

[SEAM]

Also from David Jacobs (page 16):

"Hypnosis is easy. As long as a person wants to be hypnotized, anybody can do it. Asking
the right questions in the right way, at the right time, and interpreting the answers is
where the trouble comes in". (the definition of subjectivity)

In Dolores Cannon's "The Convoluted Universe" series (four times 600+ pages). She numerously states with conviction, that This kind of statement is the antithesis of her 30 plus years of research.

Begs the question.. who's right?... (All I see is a forest)

(in my best George Castanza voice - "Messenger doesn't like getting shot at!")

[Kristin]

Posted by SEAM (here)
Also from David Jacobs (page 16):

("Hypnosis is easy. As long as a person wants to be hypnotized, anybody can do it. Asking
the right questions in the right way, at the right time, and interpreting the answers is
where the trouble comes in". (the definition of subjectivity)

In Dolores Cannon's "The Convoluted Universe" series (four times 600+ pages). She numerously states with conviction, that This kind of statement is the antithesis of her 30 plus years of research. )

It's a slippery slope to be sure. We have to look at this with the utmost care. SOMETHING is going on, that's a fact. What the agenda is, well that's the question. The best thing to do is rely on our own experiences and to push the envelope of those experiences. For example, those who are still in contact and are being abducted should try to ask the hard questions and see what types of answers they are getting. The best research is done in the field. First and foremost, we must remember that this is being done without our permission in most cases. That means that secrecy is important to the agenda. Dolores Cannon also states that of the many regressions that she has done never once did she encounter a military abduction... now I find that hard to believe. She also states that all the interactions are of a benevolent nature. That is also hard to believe. Who is using who here? What would appear more credible then a grandmother telling her grandchildren that it's all on the up and up?

How is it OK for a person to be abused when they obviously say NO to the abduction? Where is the care and understanding in that? Why would we need to have memories erased? I suggest caution and research to be the best guides that there are. Do not believe everything we read, but also take into consideration everything. "Everything" is inclusive of all the information that suggests these contacts are benevolent to all the information that suggests that there is a dark agenda being enacted here. Somewhere in between the truth exists.

Obviously, the personal will and needs of the abducted are not being taken into account. That is a violation of freedom. That is serious. Who is to say that there is any spiritual evolution here on the part of the ET's? We are well adversed that our own species has not been overtly spiritual with it's own technological advances... this paradigm is also possible for them as well. Let's not discount it.

From the Heart,
Kristin