Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[wynderer]

one could say that the physical detoxing of the body is the 3D eqivalent of the 4D mind-control programming breaking down -- Duncan O'Finiaon [i think i'm spelling that wrong] told me that this programming seems to breaking down for abductees & milabs in our 50s & 60s

[Daughter of Time]

Justone,

Don't be so hard on yourself. You are not evil. And if there is something evil operating through you, then at least you're aware of it and are willing to make changes to flush it out, and flush it out, you will!

I hope you don't ban yourself for too long. I don't think anyone blames you for what happened. You were merely communicating what you felt and perhaps you were triggered. Recognizing triggers before we act on them is very difficult, but it seems you're becoming aware of those too.

Much love to you,

Daughter of Time

P. S. - perhaps whatever evil (your words) is in you is trying to convince you that this is all your fault. Perceived guilt is another one of their programmings and manipulations to keep us from freeing ourselves.

[wynderer]

hi Daughter of Time -- this is the post that i'd pm'd you i wanted to respond to in our exchange -- your message of support was greatly appreciated

i know that you are a fellow abductee -- my radar is getting pretty good for picking us out these days -- & somehow by trying to see/understand you more clearly, i see myself & my experiences more clearly

what kind of hit me -- & i'll run by this by other Avalonians also to see what they think [go ahead! dish it out! i can take it! --rude/tough act '50s Philly area saying ] -- it seems to me that you always come from/speak from the heart, the heart chakra -- & i come more from the mind -- ???

& this is why they -- the archons/controllers -- target you thru your emotions -- somehow you have managed to hold onto your love & compassion -- a tender heart -- -- an open Heart Chakra -- you have my admiration for this

they haved tried to do this w/me -- including induced 'panic attacks ' -- i did some research on this little experience from hell & learned that 1 out of 10 USA citizens experience this -- i stopped that [pls pm if you wish to know how] -- & i must confess that the word 'f***ers' came to mind when i learned this fact

also i have had the Kundalini power at the base of my spine, the Root Chakra, manipulated into activation 2 times that i can remember -- long stories both -- i got thru /got grounded thru the first w/thru the help of a good woman friend , & the second thru our Earth, Mother Earth

i have pretty much had to wall off my heart chakra in order to survive -- they have learned, therefore, that it's pretty difficult to get at me thru my emotions -- as i tell my few friends, 'I don't do personal...'

they have learned that it is pretty difficult to get at me thru my mind, also , despite sleep deprivation stuff -- i think i'm doing OK on the astral planes when out of my body at night -- i am blocked from remembering, but sometimes i meet people who remember me from their astral travels, & i seem to be able to help others

so now they are having fun playing around w/my 3D Human body -- a body designed by the Creator to enjoy this planet, meant to be a paradise, thru many senses -- it's kind of like torture at times -

i think i'd posted this on one of Exomatrix' threads -- Elaine Douglass said she thinks all the broke/sick/alone stuff is to wear us down to the point where we lose resistance/believe that they are here to help us & begin promoting their agenda --'All ETs are benevolent'/ 'The Greys are here to help us'/etc

i added -- those they can't wear down, they try to break -- those they can't break, they try to kill

carry on the Good Fight, sis

wyn

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
When I first decided to post about my ET abduction experiences back in May, I did so with great trepidation. A programming kept telling me that if i disclosed my story, I would suffer a far worse fate. I'm quite certain all abductees are programmed with one program or another. My programmings have varied. I imagine this probably means that I've been abducted by different ET species. Ultimately, I don't know. I do remember being completely elated after my abudction when I was 25, feeling that something miraculous had happened to me since they told me that only the special ones are chosen! And the programming worked back then. The more recent programmings have had to do with fear.

So, in spite of the consternation I felt, i decided to post my first story back on page 37 of this thread. After that post, i received much encouragement, love, understanding, compassion and validation in the thread itself and in PMs. These reactions gave me the courage to post more and more stories, and finally, I feel that a healing can be perceived. I have moved from my state of paralysis. I do not feel helpless anymore.

If, on the other hand, the reactions to my initial story had been to tell me to "get over it and f'n' move on", I would have become further petrified; I would never have posted again; I would have felt lost in a lost world where no one cares.

While enabling a victim mentality is absolutely not helpful, compassion is a necessity when dealing with someone who doesn't have the strength to move on by their own volition. Eventually, if compassion, understanding, validation, encouragement and love don't work, then it might be time for the proverbial kick in the derriere, but the kick should not be delivered unless the other options have proven to be powerless.

[Beren]

Here we witness again how these subtle ,yet powerful forces work.
Energies that we call Archontic are twisting their weaves in one aim; to take energy out of innocent unaware soul.

I wasn`t participating in this thread since long time ago (Houman knows why ) but I notice the divisive spirits.
Let them stop now.
Let us stop their game.

I am dead serious if you will.
This is a repeating pattern even from old Avalon with energy battle and sucking threads such were Abraxasinas ones about Dragon lore and their own perspective.

It`s the same spirit behind all this, spirit of fear and darkness.
But fear not dear souls, a tiny candle lightens and banishes the thickest darkness!

And we have here not a candle but a blazing fire!
It`s in our decision to do good ,to love ,to be Love.
Again:
1.To do good
2.To love
3.To BE Love

There is a reason why I punctuated big or small letters here.

Time to finally say out loud: YOU ARE BUSTED!
We see you.
We know who you are.

And we will give you the highest dose of what you`ve been leeching for. You wanted to leech soul`s energy to sustain yourselves in darkness still?
Yes?
Well why didn`t you say so right out loud???

Here`s the full blown light of Creator and Christ and you know what that means right? Or should I remind you of the fact that you cannot hide anymore in the darkness?


I call all souls here to join in harmony and reveal the inner light they all have , their inner spark of God.
We may save some souls now.

Shine!

[Jeffrey]

Alex Grey and the Mind Parasites



Listen to the MP3, its pretty interesting (a tad vulgar in some descriptions, apologies in advance).

Here's an excerpt:

I had a vision of the group soul of humanity as a perfectly circular pool of intense living light. All around the rim of the milky pool were a complex variety of sexual rites, a metaphor for all social interaction. Translucent Hindu deities swooped over the group taking the excessive energy of the shimmering pool and passing through the group as ecstasy and pain. I saw that the reason we were all brought together was to provide a psychic energy feast for the Gods and Goddesses. I saw my heart as the axis of karmic, earthly, and universal energies, transected by and uniting the polarities of male/female, birth/death, good/evil, and love/hate. To maintain a balance of forces we all fed both Deities and Demons.

I think that these energy complexes can be animated and seem conscious (intention/agenticity/freewill) by interacting with electromagnetic fields as well, which ties into thought (it doesn't completely account for it but it owns a variable).

This experience that is shared of deities drinking from a pool of energetic milk reflects the energetic transactions that occur between two systems that have a differential when it comes to energy. They are just systems though, with a program.

I think these transactions follow the same laws as the thermodynamic principles, but by our subjective mind these creatures are seen - snakes projected on ropes.

Predators manifest, but this was intended to be a survival mechanism, I think it got out of hand when it's potential for control was exploited and the knowledge of what it truly is was replaced by what they wanted you to believe it was. Their function was exploited by power hungry individuals and used to manipulate the masses.

What say you?

[wynderer]

i say that the translucent Hindu deities [aka archons?] have no right to be feeding on the Humans, & that their sexual rites are likely a part of the blood/sex rituals described/depicted in this thread

[observer]

Posted by Vivek (here)
Alex Grey and the Mind Parasites



Listen to the MP3, its pretty interesting (a tad vulgar in some descriptions, apologies in advance).

[....snip]

Thank you Vivek for posting this interview.

At about 10 min. into this interview, there is a reading of The (First) Apocalypse of James from the Nag Hammadi Library. In an earlier comment, in this thread, I linked the text to this document in support of the comments I've been making, herein.

One may go to the link and read the entire document, if one is so inclined.

An overview of the above linked interview discussing the work of Alex Grey is very revealing in understanding how these archonic energies are co-existing, just outside of our perceptions, attaching themselves to our auras (visible spiritual beings [souls]), and feeding on all sorts of energies.

What Alex Grey is describing in his work is a very good example of why the Astral is NOT a playground. Indigenous Cultures required a lifetime of preparation for the 'chosen' individuals whose jobs were to go into the Astral on behalf of the tribe.

[heyokah]

Posted by Vivek (here)
Alex Grey and the Mind Parasites


Listen to the MP3, its pretty interesting (a tad vulgar in some descriptions, apologies in advance).

Here's an excerpt:

I had a vision of the group soul of humanity as a perfectly circular pool of intense living light. All around the rim of the milky pool were a complex variety of sexual rites, a metaphor for all social interaction. Translucent Hindu deities swooped over the group taking the excessive energy of the shimmering pool and passing through the group as ecstasy and pain. I saw that the reason we were all brought together was to provide a psychic energy feast for the Gods and Goddesses. I saw my heart as the axis of karmic, earthly, and universal energies, transected by and uniting the polarities of male/female, birth/death, good/evil, and love/hate. To maintain a balance of forces we all fed both Deities and Demons.

I think that these energy complexes can be animated and seem conscious (intention/agenticity/freewill) by interacting with electromagnetic fields as well, which ties into thought (it doesn't completely account for it but it owns a variable).

This experience that is shared of deities drinking from a pool of energetic milk reflects the energetic transactions that occur between two systems that have a differential when it comes to energy. They are just systems though, with a program.

I think these transactions follow the same laws as the thermodynamic principles, but by our subjective mind these creatures are seen - snakes projected on ropes.

Predators manifest, but this was intended to be a survival mechanism, I think it got out of hand when it's potential for control was exploited and the knowledge of what it truly is was replaced by what they wanted you to believe it was. Their function was exploited by power hungry individuals and used to manipulate the masses.

What say you?

Thank you for this MP3 Vivek.

For members working from an iPad or iPod, here is a link that works and the painting that was talked about.







http://www.zaporacle.com/alex-grey-and-mind-parasites/

Posted by observer (here)

Thank you Vivek for posting this interview.

At about 10 min. into this interview, there is a reading of The (First) Apocalypse of James from the Nag Hammadi Library. In an earlier comment, in this thread, I linked the text to this document in support of the comments I've been making, herein.

One may go to the link and read the entire document, if one is so inclined.

An overview of the above linked interview discussing the work of Alex Grey is very revealing in understanding how these archonic energies are co-existing, just outside of our perceptions, attaching themselves to our auras (visible spiritual beings [souls]), and feeding on all sorts of energies.

What Alex Grey is describing in his work is a very good example of why the Astral is NOT a playground. Indigenous Cultures required a lifetime of preparation for the 'chosen' individuals whose jobs were to go into the Astral on behalf of the tribe.

Thank you observer for pointing at the Gnostic text.

Here's an other excerpt:

An Ancient Gnostic Text on Parasitic Abduction

The power of this image is that it shows those who harvest our energy, and yet at the center of the image is the human empowerment that occurs as we awaken to the food chain. The ancient Gnostics had similar visions and called the harvesting deities the “Archons” (see: A Gnostic View of Mind Parasites). Also, notice how closely the scenario described below parallels a modern alien abduction experience.

(The following ancient Gnostic text is excerpted from the superb metahistory.org website. Here’s the link to the full article http://www.metahistory.org/GnosticCatechism.php)


From The First Apocalypse of James (NHC V, 3), a revelation dialogue in which an unnamed teacher (the “Lord” or “Master”) confers secret knowledge upon a Gnostic named James:

The Master said: James, behold, I shall reveal to you the path of your redemption. Whenever you are seized and you undergo death-pangs (mortal fear), a multitude of Archons may turn on you, thinking they can capture you. And in particular, three of them will seize you, those who pose as toll collectors. Not only do they demand toll, but they take away souls by theft.

Now, when you come under their power, one of them who is the overseer will say to you: “Who are you, and where are you from?”

You are then to say to him, “I am a child of humanity and I am from the Source.”

He will then say to you, “What sort of child are you, and to what Source do you belong?”

You are to say to him, “I am from the pre-existent Source, and I am the offspring of the Source.”

Then he will say to you, “Why were you sent out from the Source?”

Then you are to say to him, “I came from the Pre-existent One so that I might behold those of my kind and those who are alien.”

And he will say to you, “What are these alien beings?”

You are to say to him: “They are not entirely alien, for they are from the Fallen Sophia (Achamoth), the female divinity who produced them when she brought the human race down from the Source, the realm of the Pre-Existent One. So they are not entirely alien, but they are our kin. They are indeed so because she who is their matrix, Sophia Achamoth, is from the Source. At the same time they are alien because Sophia did not combine with her like in the Source (her divine male counterpart), when she produced them.”

When he also says to you, “Where will you go now?”

You are to say to him, “To the place when I came, the Source, there shall I return.” And if you respond in this manner, you will escape their attacks.

(NHC V, 3. 33 – 34: 1- 25. Translation from NHLE 1990, pp. 265-6 and Kurt Rudolf, Gnosis, p. 174-5.)

What I find amazing is that Alex, in creating this painting, has followed the instructions of the unnamed Gnostic teacher to perfection. The image shows that which is human and alien. It also shows that man is from the source and at the center. This is the secret of our transcendence of the food chain according to the Gnostics. The Archons are masters of deception who manipulate by encouraging us to give away our power to external saviors and authorities. We become like the living dead when they succeed, like Tolkien’s Ring Wraiths—-withered, obsessed beings forever craving but unable to reach “The Precious,” which could take the form of an object or person of desire, or a fanatic ideology/fundamentalist religion that enslaves us to its version of salvation. When the deceivers succeed we get, for example, possessed suicide bombers hungry for death and their seventy-two virgins in paradise. The way out of this deceptive matrix is the recognition that we are of the source, of the source of nourishment. An incompleteness is revealed in the Archons because they must depend on us for their derivative nourishment. Clearly Alex was brought out from the source to behold such things and share with us his revelations.

[wynderer]

thanks for this, Heyokah, tho i'm not so sure of blaming it all on Sophia -- sometimes it seems to me that both the Gnostics & the Church -- esp the Catholic Church for many centuries -- have something in common, which is a great suspicion & distrust of the physical body & thus 'matter/the material'

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by ED209 (here)
Don't take this the wrong way, I appreciate the sharing, but I kind of have a problem with people walking around thinking they are superior to the rest of us for any reason, reptilian or otherwise, and I think many people probably think the same thing. I don't like it. I don't think it is appropriate for this forum.

ED209, thanks for your thoughts and feelings, which I respect. It's an important topic that you raise.

I've studied these subjects for quite a long time. There are tens of thousands of people on the planet -- and a lot of them gravitate to forums like this! -- who in one way or another perceive themselves as "different".

There are many ways in which this feeling of "difference" manifests. In my experience, none of the people I have met and talked with (and there are many!) consider themselves "superior".

Rather, they're trying to put a puzzle together, and this often involves retrieving suppressed memories which are often disturbing or even traumatic. The issue becomes even harder to deal with when they feel that there is a danger of rejection or ridicule if they share their thoughts and feelings with others.

For this reason, I am committed to creating a safe space on Avalon for people to share their experiences. Sometimes, someone may have a piece of another person's puzzle. This is one of the great values of open, non-judgmental dialog.

The issues of hybrids and clones is just one of many. If you've not read it, here's Dr David Jacobs' book THE THREAT.

http://projectavalon.net/David_Jacobs_The_Threat.pdf

For anyone concerned with these and similar issues, this is mandatory reading.

Here are some more related issues -- which I've personally experienced in conversation with others:

• Those who have worked in black projects.
• Those who were Illuminati children.
• Those who have suffered sexual or emotional abuse at their hands of their family.
• Those who have been abducted by ETs or the military for unknown purposes.
• Those who have vivid past-life memories of things that they do not understand.
• Those who have had very real close encounters with entities or beings that were terrifying and bewildering.

There are quite a few more out there, also. Some of these categories are multiply inter-related.

Having experienced these things is no fun. It makes a mess of one's life. It makes relationships difficult (and sometimes this is an understatement). It makes one feel one is an outcast, or that there is something wrong with oneself -- far from feeling superior! One can harbor deep feelings of guilt or shame which are really hard to dispel as all the circumstances involved are simply not known.

This is an important statement. I'm going to copy this to the Horus-Ra thread as well. ED209, sincere thanks to you again for your post and for your contribution to the discussion. It gives me the opportunity to explain this more clearly, and for the benefit of all.

This is something I feel strongly about, and I will provide a safe space for these things to be discussed here.

[This post is copied from wynderer's The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us, which is a similarly important thread, containing material which may be related to that explored here. Many reading this will understand why I made the decision to re-post it.]

[heyokah]

Posted by wynderer (here)
thanks for this, Heyokah, tho i'm not so sure of blaming it all on Sophia -- sometimes it seems to me that both the Gnostics & the Church -- esp the Catholic Church for many centuries -- have something in common, which is a great suspicion & distrust of the physical body & thus 'matter/the material'

I agree with you in case of the Catholic Church

However I like John Lamb Lash's Gnostic take on the Sophia Myth.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nSBcEkIwpSk

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cbd53dbCXQE

Never mind the coughing ;-)



http://www.metahistory.org/siteauthor.php

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Here are some more related issues -- which I've personally experienced in conversation with others:

• Those who have worked in black projects.
• Those who were Illuminati children.
• Those who have suffered sexual or emotional abuse at their hands of their family.
• Those who have been abducted by ETs or the military for unknown purposes.
• Those who have vivid past-life memories of things that they do not understand.
• Those who have had very real close encounters with entities or beings that were terrifying and bewildering.

There are quite a few more out there, also. Some of these categories are multiply inter-related.

Having experienced these things is no fun. It makes a mess of one's life. It makes relationships difficult (and sometimes this is an understatement). It makes one feel one is an outcast, or that there is something wrong with oneself -- far from feeling superior! One can harbor deep feelings of guilt or shame which are really hard to dispel as all the circumstances involved are simply not known.

This is something I feel strongly about, and I will provide a safe space for these things to be discussed here.

Over the last couple of weeks of personal research and some post on this thread, some memories surfaced. It's putting to rest my young gut said one thing while being told another. One thing is for sure, I was raised with archon energies that worked through my father. It’s clear why I spent much time in nature.

A safe place is critical for those that are ready. (She's aware that this last sentence is in a 3rd person voice and in stealth mode. )

[Daughter of Time]

Wyn,

Your perception is absolutely correct in as much as they get me through the heart. Since I cannot and will not build a wall around my heart because I feel that would be denying who I am, I have been trying to create a psychic filter to discern which emotions are manipulated by them. I have been successful only to small degree, but as you say, I will keep fighting the good fight.

You mentioned you'd like to share some information with me on how you managed to stop panic attacks. Although I do not suffer from panic attacks (my mother does and I'd like to help her since she's also been a target all her life) I suffer from other things that your methods might be helpful in correcting. If this information is not too personal, then perhaps you might want to share it here, publicly, so that others may learn from it as well. If it is highly personal, then please PM me. Thank you.

DoT

[Finefeather]

removed to avoid controversy

[wynderer]

it's when the lower astral beings get technology w/which they can intrude into 3D when things get hairy -- a whole new ball game going on down here now

edit to add: like, they don't have to use ships for abductions anymore [the light coming down from above that i desperately tried to hide from/run from as a child] -- now they can just open a portal in your bedroom & take you that way

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by observer (here)
What Alex Grey is describing in his work is a very good example of why the Astral is NOT a playground. Indigenous Cultures required a lifetime of preparation for the 'chosen' individuals whose jobs were to go into the Astral on behalf of the tribe.

Hi observer
It is necessary for us NOT to believe that the 'Astral' is all dark and filled with harmful entities. The astral plane is actually a bridge between the true self and the human consciousness and has layers, or densities. The lower 3 layers are where the dark entities operate as it it there where we generate our negative emotional energy which they feed off. From this lower astral they are able to shift in and out of physical reality. I have worked in the astral for around 40 years doing rescue work and have never come across any dark entities in the higher astral planes. In fact there are many beautiful beings that inhabit these higher astral levels as they do their work. The higher astral is also the area where most human souls live in between incarnations. There are large groups of souls who live together in these realms and there are beautiful buildings and places to learn there as well.
Everyone, during the sleep state, passes through these lower astral realms without even knowing it, on our journey to the higher astral.
But the message is clear, if you are not protected and have issues in your life you should avoid these lower astral realms, they can be very frightening at best.

[Finefeather]

Hi wynderer
Yes that is true, but we need to attempt to bring some balance into the equation of our demise. In bringing light to the table, so to speak, we can obtain the knowledge of what else is out there, which we can strive for. All of life is not 'dirty and bad' and in fact I see many out there giving love and compassion to each other.
Where we focus our life is where our reality is and more than often it is enough just to take a good long hard look at ourself, if we allow ourself in.

Posted by wynderer (here)
it's when the lower astral beings get technology w/which they can intrude into 3D when things get hairy -- a whole new ball game going on down here now

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by observer (here)
What Alex Grey is describing in his work is a very good example of why the Astral is NOT a playground. Indigenous Cultures required a lifetime of preparation for the 'chosen' individuals whose jobs were to go into the Astral on behalf of the tribe.

Hi observer
It is necessary for us NOT to believe that the 'Astral' is all dark and filled with harmful entities. The astral plane is actually a bridge between the true self and the human consciousness and has layers, or densities. The lower 3 layers are where the dark entities operate as it it there where we generate our negative emotional energy which they feed off. From this lower astral they are able to shift in and out of physical reality. I have worked in the astral for around 40 years doing rescue work and have never come across any dark entities in the higher astral planes. In fact there are many beautiful beings that inhabit these higher astral levels as they do their work. The higher astral is also the area where most human souls live in between incarnations. There are large groups of souls who live together in these realms and there are beautiful buildings and places to learn there as well.
Everyone, during the sleep state, passes through these lower astral realms without even knowing it, on our journey to the higher astral.
But the message is clear, if you are not protected and have issues in your life you should avoid these lower astral realms, they can be very frightening at best.

[wynderer]

Finefeather, have you read thru this thread yet?

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Hi wynderer
Yes that is true, but we need to attempt to bring some balance into the equation of our demise. In bringing light to the table, so to speak, we can obtain the knowledge of what else is out there, which we can strive for. All of life is not 'dirty and bad' and in fact I see many out there giving love and compassion to each other.
Where we focus our life is where our reality is and more than often it is enough just to take a good long hard look at ourself, if we allow ourself in.

Posted by wynderer (here)
it's when the lower astral beings get technology w/which they can intrude into 3D when things get hairy -- a whole new ball game going on down here now

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by observer (here)
What Alex Grey is describing in his work is a very good example of why the Astral is NOT a playground. Indigenous Cultures required a lifetime of preparation for the 'chosen' individuals whose jobs were to go into the Astral on behalf of the tribe.

Hi observer
It is necessary for us NOT to believe that the 'Astral' is all dark and filled with harmful entities. The astral plane is actually a bridge between the true self and the human consciousness and has layers, or densities. The lower 3 layers are where the dark entities operate as it it there where we generate our negative emotional energy which they feed off. From this lower astral they are able to shift in and out of physical reality. I have worked in the astral for around 40 years doing rescue work and have never come across any dark entities in the higher astral planes. In fact there are many beautiful beings that inhabit these higher astral levels as they do their work. The higher astral is also the area where most human souls live in between incarnations. There are large groups of souls who live together in these realms and there are beautiful buildings and places to learn there as well.
Everyone, during the sleep state, passes through these lower astral realms without even knowing it, on our journey to the higher astral.
But the message is clear, if you are not protected and have issues in your life you should avoid these lower astral realms, they can be very frightening at best.

[Finefeather]

Posted by wynderer (here)
Finefeather, have you read thru this thread yet?

Yes, I have read most of it, stopped posting for about 10 days as I went away, ... Why?...have I done something wrong?

[donk]

Ok, I'm kinda caught up now...(again...and again...) many thanks to everyone who contributed, like I think DoT said of just1's posts, I learned something from nearly every one.

Also, when I say caught up, I mean from somewhere around 50 to here, and am around page 3 trying to get all the missed stuff in. I'm assuming from wyn's comments, that it either hasn't been addressed or no one has pointed recently to where it has been:

What of the non-internal factors being acknowledged in many posts?

It was nice to see so many people mentioning how hard it is for people with no frame of reference and limited knowledge to even know that they are a victim, that was what was so frustrating about the recent drama, it seemed that unless you fixed yourself you are effed, and it is all your fault.

I have someone in my life trying to learn/grow/transcend victimhood after 30+ years of living as a victim. She has a good heart, and learned to sweep everything under the rug, repress unpleasantness, feel shame about everything that shes been taught by "authority"--fam/friends supposed to love her--that they think is wrong.

She found me, and for a year & half we have worked so hard and she has gotten so far in growing, loving herself, recognizing truth = love, and so So much more. In fact, I believe she got to a point where whatever beside her trauma & herself that has a hold of her, that feeds off her unique and intense energy, has physically attacked her.

She has been dizzy for almost two weeks now, ever since she started blacking out when we started talking about possible explanations to supernatural experiences she has been having.

I don't know about technology (though she recently mentioned vision/dreams/experience of little machines floating around our bed like I've heard abductees--Karla turner & indigo star come to mind), the offset of what she has been initially diagnosed as labyrnthitis came on after 4 fainting spells, each brought on by conversations of "truth", each leaving her out of breath and erasing any memories up til about 15 mins before the first one.

And it could be technology, but it appeared to me as a possession. The third time she opened her eyes, I looked in her face, it was not her. The fourth time she convulsed in a way that looked like something jumped in, and the open eyes (she did not look like demon or anything, just like she was not in there) looked at me longer, and I stopped talking about anything at that point and she's had extreme vertigo ever since.

So to my point (finally!), this seems to be the nature of archons, correct? They take & use bodies and/or energies without current (if she agreed to anything in past life, she's ready to opt out at this point) permission, and attempt to hide it. The archontic forces are probably using the ET/EDs (if they exist) or at least her mind...am I making sense?

So trying to get to topic: there is so much discussion on clearing yourself, removing the baggage, etc. work that you have to do to yourself--my question is how dangerous is it for someone external (me) trying (gently) different methods of getting the information to her that are clearly without a doubt being externally blocked?

I recognize she has to get her own blocks down, but how can she do without help? Where does the line of helping and imposing your get crossed? How much damage can you do, when you don't even know what you're dealing with?

[wynderer]

LOL -- sorry if i come across that way --

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
Finefeather, have you read thru this thread yet?

Yes, I have read most of it, stopped posting for about 10 days as I went away, ... Why?...have I done something wrong?