Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[wynderer]

i'm just thinking about the abductee who Elaine Douglass told me about -- by the Greys -- who woke up one morning w/over 300 [photographed] tiny razor-like cuts all over her body -- the poor woman has to work 2 jobs to make ends meet already

Posted by donk (here)
Ok, I'm kinda caught up now...(again...and again...) many thanks to everyone who contributed, like I think DoT said of just1's posts, I learned something from nearly every one.

Also, when I say caught up, I mean from somewhere around 50 to here, and am around page 3 trying to get all the missed stuff in. I'm assuming from wyn's comments, that it either hasn't been addressed or no one has pointed recently to where it has been:

What of the non-internal factors being acknowledged in many posts?

It was nice to see so many people mentioning how hard it is for people with no frame of reference and limited knowledge to even know that they are a victim, that was what was so frustrating about the recent drama, it seemed that unless you fixed yourself you are effed, and it is all your fault.

I have someone in my life trying to learn/grow/transcend victimhood after 30+ years of living as a victim. She has a good heart, and learned to sweep everything under the rug, repress unpleasantness, feel shame about everything that shes been taught by "authority"--fam/friends supposed to love her--that they think is wrong.

She found me, and for a year & half we have worked so hard and she has gotten so far in growing, loving herself, recognizing truth = love, and so So much more. In fact, I believe she got to a point where whatever beside her trauma & herself that has a hold of her, that feeds off her unique and intense energy, has physically attacked her.

She has been dizzy for almost two weeks now, ever since she started blacking out when we started talking about possible explanations to supernatural experiences she has been having.

I don't know about technology (though she recently mentioned vision/dreams/experience of little machines floating around our bed like I've heard abductees--Karla turner & indigo star come to mind), the offset of what she has been initially diagnosed as labyrnthitis came on after 4 fainting spells, each brought on by conversations of "truth", each leaving her out of breath and erasing any memories up til about 15 mins before the first one.

And it could be technology, but it appeared to me as a possession. The third time she opened her eyes, I looked in her face, it was not her. The fourth time she convulsed in a way that looked like something jumped in, and the open eyes (she did not look like demon or anything, just like she was not in there) looked at me longer, and I stopped talking about anything at that point and she's had extreme vertigo ever since.

So to my point (finally!), this seems to be the nature of archons, correct? They take & use bodies and/or energies without current (if she agreed to anything in past life, she's ready to opt out at this point) permission, and attempt to hide it. The archontic forces are probably using the ET/EDs (if they exist) or at least her mind...am I making sense?

So trying to get to topic: there is so much discussion on clearing yourself, removing the baggage, etc. work that you have to do to yourself--my question is how dangerous is it for someone external (me) trying (gently) different methods of getting the information to her that are clearly without a doubt being externally blocked?

I recognize she has to get her own blocks down, but how can she do without help? Where does the line of helping and imposing your get crossed? How much damage can you do, when you don't even know what you're dealing with?

[Hervé]

Posted by donk (here)
[...]

So trying to get to topic: there is so much discussion on clearing yourself, removing the baggage, etc. work that you have to do to yourself--my question is how dangerous is it for someone external (me) trying (gently) different methods of getting the information to her that are clearly without a doubt being externally blocked?

I recognize she has to get her own blocks down, but how can she do without help? Where does the line of helping and imposing your get crossed? How much damage can you do, when you don't even know what you're dealing with?

Hi donk,

I would refer you to post # 1675.

[observer]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see Finefeather's comment #1895

I'm going to take a break from a policy I try to strictly adhere regarding telepathically implanted thoughts, Finefeather, to give the members who are insisting this Astral is a wonderful place to play, a look into why I have formulated this point of view, and how this interpretation relates to the topic of this thread.

In the very early 60s I became a subscriber to Edgar Cayce's work. Up into the early nineties, through those many years, I was a subscriber to a multitude of channelers, mystics, seers, remote viewers, and whatever other names you wish to apply to this phenomenon. After I became disillusioned with the channeled message, I began looking for objective evidence.

Among all the channelers I've ever studied, there were only three that I ever thought their message was unaffected by the reptilian/archonic influence. I based this interpretation on the nature of what these three were revealing regarding the reptilian/archonic influence on Humanity. I first learned about the reptilian influence in the mid seventies from one of these 'channelers'. Had there been an archonic influence involved with these three, the message they were revealing would never have come through.

Over nearly thirty years of reading every sort of telepathically implanted thought, presented by, well into a hundred different seers, I observed a reoccurring theme. This theme was not new to the clairvoyant phenomenon.

I am also somewhat a student of history. I noticed this same reoccurring theme goes all the way back to the Dawn of Man. This theme can be found in the words of the prophets of antiquity. It can be found in the religious dogma of the past two thousand years. It is ever present in the New Age message with its roots in the Astral.

This theme, to which I refer, is the concept that "there will be a bright new day" if only one stays focused on the 'god' of whatever dogma is being promoted. This reoccurring theme, throughout history, is what I characterize as "objective evidence".

Please note: when I use the term 'god', I am also referring to the contemporary concept that, "we are all creator-beings of our own reality", found within the dogma of the contemporary edition of this "everything is going to be O.K." telepathically implanted rhetoric.

There is absolutely no objective evidence, that can be presented by those supporting these concepts, to prove their subjective interpretations of the very personal experiences they are having are NOT being influenced by archonic entities.

Where are your thousands of years of prophetic documents.... documents that have all turned-out to be lies? How many thousands of predictions and messages of hope coming from these seers have never occurred, all the way back into antiquity?

Please refer to what I said in comment #1887:

"Indigenous Cultures required a lifetime of preparation for the 'chosen' individuals whose jobs were to go into the Astral on behalf of the tribe."

I'm aware of the word games that are played by supporters of these concepts, so don't bother with your "objective v. subjective" wordplay. It won't work.

I've already described the sort of objective evidence I'm referring to. Supporters of the types of telepathically implanted messages I've already described can offer no documents, photographs, or witnesses to their very personal experiences. This is the sort of objective evidence one needs to produce for their experiences to move from subjective imagination to objective reality.

So, Finefeather, as I stated in the beginning of this comment, I'm going to take a break from a policy, and offer you something I ran across back in the early 90s, just as my faith in the many seers I had been subscribing to was crumbling. This work came from one of those three 'channelers' I referred to earlier. I was fortunate to find a copy of this book on the internet:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...heaven-III.htm

It's a relatively easy read, and one can get through it in a week of evenings.

As I've stated many times on this forum, I do not subscribe to telepathically implanted thoughts. The content of the above linked book is derived from telepathically implanted thoughts. One will find the content of this book much different from the material coming from most clairvoyants from throughout history.

Could there be something to the observation that the astral is being patrolled by archonic entities whose purpose is to confuse and trap the Mass of Humanity?

You be the judge.

It is not my intention, Finefeather, of starting a debate with you, in this thread, over the issue of good v. evil with regard to telepathic thoughts and your personal experiences in the astral. This thread is about archonic energies and the Abject Evil they represent. The comments I make are presentations of an evidential trail related to that particular influence.

There are other threads where you can debate the merits of your telepathically implanted interpretation.

[wynderer]

from Observer's post below:

'Could there be something to the observation that the astral is being patrolled by archonic entities whose purpose is to confuse and trap the Mass of Humanity?'

this is the conclusion i've come to -- many threads on the forum address the actions of the NWO in this 3D world , but it's the control of the astral planes & thus Human minds & emotions that is the heart of their power, imo -- & the controllers are not stupid -- they know that Humans like to feel good, & comfy, & warm & safe, & they provide the telepathic input to stimulate such thoughts & feelings

& this has been going on for thousands of years

i've always thought that one of their better tools is what most of us parents say to our child when he or she wakes screaming from an encounter w/some nasty astral being when out of body -- the stock soothing response is almost always, 'It was just a dream' -- when it was not a dream, but a good look at one of the puppet masters pulling the strings, or one of their minions

thanks for the link to the book, Observer -- i read references to it thru the yrs but never came across it before

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see Finefeather's comment #1895

I'm going to take a break from a policy I try to strictly adhere regarding telepathically implanted thoughts, Finefeather, to give the members who are insisting this Astral is a wonderful place to play, a look into why I have formulated this point of view, and how this interpretation relates to the topic of this thread.

In the very early 60s I became a subscriber to Edgar Cayce's work. Up into the early nineties, through those many years, I was a subscriber to a multitude of channelers, mystics, seers, remote viewers, and whatever other names you wish to apply to this phenomenon. After I became disillusioned with the channeled message, I began looking for objective evidence.

Among all the channelers I've ever studied, there were only three that I ever thought their message was unaffected by the reptilian/archonic influence. I based this interpretation on the nature of what these three were revealing regarding the reptilian/archonic influence on Humanity. I first learned about the reptilian influence in the mid seventies from one of these 'channelers'. Had there been an archonic influence involved with these three, the message they were revealing would never have come through.

Over nearly thirty years of reading every sort of telepathically implanted thought, presented by, well into a hundred different seers, I observed a reoccurring theme. This theme was not new to the clairvoyant phenomenon.

I am also somewhat a student of history. I noticed this same reoccurring theme goes all the way back to the Dawn of Man. This theme can be found in the words of the prophets of antiquity. It can be found in the religious dogma of the past two thousand years. It is ever present in the New Age message with its roots in the Astral.

This theme, to which I refer, is the concept that "there will be a bright new day" if only one stays focused on the 'god' of whatever dogma is being promoted. This reoccurring theme, throughout history, is what I characterize as "objective evidence".

Please note: when I use the term 'god', I am also referring to the contemporary concept that, "we are all creator-beings of our own reality", found within the dogma of the contemporary edition of this "everything is going to be O.K." telepathically implanted rhetoric.

There is absolutely no objective evidence, that can be presented by those supporting these concepts, to prove their subjective interpretations of the very personal experiences they are having are NOT being influenced by archonic entities.

Where are your thousands of years of prophetic documents.... documents that have all turned-out to be lies? How many thousands of predictions and messages of hope coming from these seers have never occurred, all the way back into antiquity?

Please refer to what I said in comment #1887:

"Indigenous Cultures required a lifetime of preparation for the 'chosen' individuals whose jobs were to go into the Astral on behalf of the tribe."

I'm aware of the word games that are played by supporters of these concepts, so don't bother with your "objective v. subjective" wordplay. It won't work.

I've already described the sort of objective evidence I'm referring to. Supporters of the types of telepathically implanted messages I've already described can offer no documents, photographs, or witnesses to their very personal experiences. This is the sort of objective evidence one needs to produce for their experiences to move from subjective imagination to objective reality.

So, Finefeather, as I stated in the beginning of this comment, I'm going to take a break from a policy, and offer you something I ran across back in the early 90s, just as my faith in the many seers I had been subscribing to was crumbling. This work came from one of those three 'channelers' I referred to earlier. I was fortunate to find a copy of this book on the internet:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...heaven-III.htm

It's a relatively easy read, and one can get through it in a week of evenings.

As I've stated many times on this forum, I do not subscribe to telepathically implanted thoughts. The content of the above linked book is derived from telepathically implanted thoughts. One will find the content of this book much different from the material coming from most clairvoyants from throughout history.

Could there be something to the observation that the astral is being patrolled by archonic entities whose purpose is to confuse and trap the Mass of Humanity?

You be the judge.

It is not my intention, Finefeather, of starting a debate with you, in this thread, over the issue of good v. evil with regard to telepathic thoughts and your personal experiences in the astral. This thread is about archonic energies and the Abject Evil they represent. The comments I make are presentations of an evidential trail related to that particular influence.

There are other threads where you can debate the merits of your telepathically implanted interpretation.

[donk]

I would refer you to post # 1675.

Ah...the oft mentioned "dreamtime healing" vids, knew I wasn't getting away from that one--but I had that filed away for when I found some new earbuds, been w/o video for a week or so (I got the shakes!!)...motivation to get on that.

Thank you very much amer zo!!

Any reading I can do while waiting for her to finish MRI?

....speaking of which, anybody ever catch anything (implants?) in a regular brain MRI?

They are trying to rule out MS, which I know nothing about...so doing "contrast", though not sure what that means. All I know is that whatever is physically wrong, whether dormant or placed at that instant, it triggered directly from receiving information, some external force trying to stop it. How do you tell a doctor that??

[Hervé]

Posted by donk (here)

I would refer you to post # 1675.

[...]

Any reading I can do while waiting for her to finish MRI?

....speaking of which, anybody ever catch anything (implants?) in a regular brain MRI?

[...]

Welcome!

You can always read the interview transcripts (from post # 1716):

Download MP3s:
Part 1 (right click and ‘Save As’ to download)
Part 2 (right click and ‘Save As’ to download)

Full Transcript -Dreamtime Healing-Hour 1-PDF (right click + "Save as")
Full Transcript -Dreamtime Healing-Hour 2-PDF (right click + "Save as")

That's for the first interview, I do not know if there are transcripts for the second interview.

You can also read everything on Steve Richards' website: http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html


As for MRI and implants, the one I know of is Duncan O' Finioan: http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

[Finefeather]

removed to avoid controversy

[wynderer]

hi Finefeather --

when you leave your body, aka die, this time around, are you planning to stay in the astral planes?

before my 3rd Eye chakra was heavily implanted [ & i put up quite a fight!] , i was able to both leave my body, & remember where i went -- sometimes it was way outside/above Earth, 3D Earth, & the astral planes surrounding her

from this viewpoint, the astral planes near Earth sure look like a pen for your minds, the way 3D Earth is a pen/cage/matrix for your bodies

i've always felt/thought that truth was more important than maintaining happy feelings -- your controllers know how to create happy feelings in you when you are in the astral planes --

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see Finefeather's comment #1895

I'm going to take a break from a policy I try to strictly adhere regarding telepathically implanted thoughts, Finefeather, to give the members who are insisting this Astral is a wonderful place to play, a look into why I have formulated this point of view, and how this interpretation relates to the topic of this thread.

In the very early 60s I became a subscriber to Edgar Cayce's work. Up into the early nineties, through those many years, I was a subscriber to a multitude of channelers, mystics, seers, remote viewers, and whatever other names you wish to apply to this phenomenon. After I became disillusioned with the channeled message, I began looking for objective evidence.

Among all the channelers I've ever studied, there were only three that I ever thought their message was unaffected by the reptilian/archonic influence. I based this interpretation on the nature of what these three were revealing regarding the reptilian/archonic influence on Humanity. I first learned about the reptilian influence in the mid seventies from one of these 'channelers'. Had there been an archonic influence involved with these three, the message they were revealing would never have come through.

Over nearly thirty years of reading every sort of telepathically implanted thought, presented by, well into a hundred different seers, I observed a reoccurring theme. This theme was not new to the clairvoyant phenomenon.

I am also somewhat a student of history. I noticed this same reoccurring theme goes all the way back to the Dawn of Man. This theme can be found in the words of the prophets of antiquity. It can be found in the religious dogma of the past two thousand years. It is ever present in the New Age message with its roots in the Astral.

This theme, to which I refer, is the concept that "there will be a bright new day" if only one stays focused on the 'god' of whatever dogma is being promoted. This reoccurring theme, throughout history, is what I characterize as "objective evidence".

Please note: when I use the term 'god', I am also referring to the contemporary concept that, "we are all creator-beings of our own reality", found within the dogma of the contemporary edition of this "everything is going to be O.K." telepathically implanted rhetoric.

There is absolutely no objective evidence, that can be presented by those supporting these concepts, to prove their subjective interpretations of the very personal experiences they are having are NOT being influenced by archonic entities.

Where are your thousands of years of prophetic documents.... documents that have all turned-out to be lies? How many thousands of predictions and messages of hope coming from these seers have never occurred, all the way back into antiquity?

Please refer to what I said in comment #1887:

"Indigenous Cultures required a lifetime of preparation for the 'chosen' individuals whose jobs were to go into the Astral on behalf of the tribe."

I'm aware of the word games that are played by supporters of these concepts, so don't bother with your "objective v. subjective" wordplay. It won't work.

I've already described the sort of objective evidence I'm referring to. Supporters of the types of telepathically implanted messages I've already described can offer no documents, photographs, or witnesses to their very personal experiences. This is the sort of objective evidence one needs to produce for their experiences to move from subjective imagination to objective reality.

So, Finefeather, as I stated in the beginning of this comment, I'm going to take a break from a policy, and offer you something I ran across back in the early 90s, just as my faith in the many seers I had been subscribing to was crumbling. This work came from one of those three 'channelers' I referred to earlier. I was fortunate to find a copy of this book on the internet:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...heaven-III.htm

It's a relatively easy read, and one can get through it in a week of evenings.

As I've stated many times on this forum, I do not subscribe to telepathically implanted thoughts. The content of the above linked book is derived from telepathically implanted thoughts. One will find the content of this book much different from the material coming from most clairvoyants from throughout history.

Could there be something to the observation that the astral is being patrolled by archonic entities whose purpose is to confuse and trap the Mass of Humanity?

You be the judge.

It is not my intention, Finefeather, of starting a debate with you, in this thread, over the issue of good v. evil with regard to telepathic thoughts and your personal experiences in the astral. This thread is about archonic energies and the Abject Evil they represent. The comments I make are presentations of an evidential trail related to that particular influence.

There are other threads where you can debate the merits of your telepathically implanted interpretation.

Hi observer
Ignorance is bliss when you think you have 'got it' all wrapped up in neat little piles of books, when you have heard all the stories from all those who have come to conclusions based on reading their books.

If you could only but see, for yourself, in the astral, the reality of what the imagination can create when your mind is stuck in concepts and stories based on ignorance and preconceived mental creations, you will know the truth of the matter.

Knowing the astral plane and it's inhabitants is clearly not your strong point. I have no real interest in any of the many books and journeys you have taken in history, or any other literature, there are many who have spent decades studying fields of science and other disciplines who are still far away from the slightest understanding of what reality, in fact, is. Your long drawn out post of trying to convince me of your proficiency in this field does not make me stand back in awe.

There is only one way to gain wisdom and that is by personal experience, on the job training, to coin a phrase, and yours is lacking in this field.

To suggest that I have been telepathically implanted with some glorious pictures of the astral is pure nonsense. If you are unable to realize who is doing the controlling in your head then so be it, because I know exactly who is doing the talking in my head. I can recognise immediately when I have foreign thoughts in my mind because I know exactly who I am.

No amount of books can really accurately describe to anyone what really goes on in the astral because you have to experience it personally to 'get it'. The state of the mind of the person entering the astral is a direct correlation to the experience you will have. The manifestations of astral attack is so diverse and yet specific to the person that only he/she can know the reality thereof. Unfortunately most who experience these attacks are reluctant to give out the real truth and the inner secrets they play out in their lives. At best, or should I say, at worst, we end up with stories of such horror that we are struck down by fear, all because of ignorance and self created mental nightmares.

To suggest that my statement had nothing to do with the Horus-Ra thread is clear that you have not enough experience to come to that conclusion in this regard. You should also know that age in terms of earth years has very little to do with wisdom.

I also never realised you had taken over as OP of this thread to suggest I should move to another thread. Let the OP speak up, not the 'observer'...
And to all those who are in awe of observers post I say only one thing: Don't believe everything you read in books or on forums, they come from someone else's mind not your own, and that goes for my post as well, you are here to gain your own experience.

[NancyV]

Great post, Finefeather, thanks! I was hoping someone else besides me would tackle the remarks by observer. Excellent job. It's obvious to me that you've traveled in other dimensions and gotten a great perspective from that. It's pretty easy to tell when someone knows what they're talking about. Of course we can't be sure that others will have the same experiences we do in other dimensions, but there is an energy that emanates from someone who has traveled extensively out of body.

I have experienced many negative entities/beings in the lower astral dimensions, but I don't label them as Archontic (or Archonic). They could certainly be Archons but in the astral I didn't care about labels or names. The way I always looked at it in the couple of months I was stuck in the lower astral realms was that there were nasty beings and not so nasty beings. They all had an agenda or they wouldn't have been hanging out there. I engaged in a lot of battles until I finally found the way out (with help). The tactics beings use there range from outright attacks by demonic type beings to seduction by beings who attempt to portray themselves as powerful gods. All these tactics are control games so they can trap us.

Once I went on to higher dimensions I could bypass the lower astral and if I did happen to go through it I never had another challenge that was a problem. Probably many beings get stuck there or want to stay there, especially if they are enjoying the negative games or because they can't release their fear and merge with love. Once I was filled with the love no negative beings could touch me again in all the subsequent years I continued to travel to higher dimensions.

As far as the proof that observer seems to desire: I would suggest to you, observer, that you ask wynderer for proof of her statements of ET abductions, torture, astral travel, being a hybrid, milab, superior to humans, etc, etc. I would never ask for proof, since it's ludicrous and rude and impossible to give, but YOU have said that those of us who have OBE's should show proof. Why have you not asked wynderer for proof when it's obvious that you support and back up her posts and claims? You have no proof of anything. You have only your preferences, your ideas and your opinions from your research. Period. I have my ideas, preferences and opinions from my years of research and from years of experience in traveling out of body in every dimension up to the Source. If you have had OBE's please tell us of your experiences.

[wynderer]

i see your Alpha Mike Foxtrot up above, suggesting a military connection -- are you connected highly enough that you can gain access to the documents re abductions, including the names of abductees? -- i don't know if those who are abducted en masse by the Greys are listed, but i'm sure milabs & Reptilian playthings [Humans] are

& drat -- wish i'd taken photos of some of the marks on my body i've awakened with -- i thought the chafe marks on my wrists [as in fighting against restraints] were rather impressive

i do NOT consider myself superior to Humans, & esp not to your Animal brothers & sisters --i've lived a Human life in a Human body for 63 yrs [Earth time] -- i have fallen in love w/this planet, & am a champion for Earth Humans' repossession of a planet that is rightfully theirs

Posted by NancyV (here)
Great post, Finefeather, thanks! I was hoping someone else besides me would tackle the remarks by observer. Excellent job. It's obvious to me that you've traveled in other dimensions and gotten a great perspective from that. It's pretty easy to tell when someone knows what they're talking about. Of course we can't be sure that others will have the same experiences we do in other dimensions, but there is an energy that emanates from someone who has traveled extensively out of body.

I have experienced many negative entities/beings in the lower astral dimensions, but I don't label them as Archontic (or Archonic). They could certainly be Archons but in the astral I didn't care about labels or names. The way I always looked at it in the couple of months I was stuck in the lower astral realms was that there were nasty beings and not so nasty beings. They all had an agenda or they wouldn't have been hanging out there. I engaged in a lot of battles until I finally found the way out (with help). The tactics beings use there range from outright attacks by demonic type beings to seduction by beings who attempt to portray themselves as powerful gods. All these tactics are control games so they can trap us.

Once I went on to higher dimensions I could bypass the lower astral and if I did happen to go through it I never had another challenge that was a problem. Probably many beings get stuck there or want to stay there, especially if they are enjoying the negative games or because they can't release their fear and merge with love. Once I was filled with the love no negative beings could touch me again in all the subsequent years I continued to travel to higher dimensions.

As far as the proof that observer seems to desire: I would suggest to you, observer, that you ask wynderer for proof of her statements of ET abductions, torture, astral travel, being a hybrid, milab, superior to humans, etc, etc. I would never ask for proof, since it's ludicrous and rude and impossible to give, but YOU have said that those of us who have OBE's should show proof. Why have you not asked wynderer for proof when it's obvious that you support and back up her posts and claims? You have no proof of anything. You have only your preferences, your ideas and your opinions from your research. Period. I have my ideas, preferences and opinions from my years of research and from years of experience in traveling out of body in every dimension up to the Source. If you have had OBE's please tell us of your experiences.

[NancyV]

Posted by wynderer (here)
i see your Alpha Mike Foxtrot up above, suggesting a military connection -- are you connected highly enough that you can gain access to the documents re abductions, including the names of abductees? -- i don't know if those who are abducted en masse by the Greys are listed, but i'm sure milabs & Reptilian playthings [Humans] are

& drat -- wish i'd taken photos of some of the marks on my body i've awakened with -- i thought the chafe marks on my wrists [as in fighting against restraints] were rather impressive

i do NOT consider myself superior to Humans, & esp not to your Animal brothers & sisters --i've lived a Human life in a Human body for 63 yrs [Earth time] -- i have fallen in love w/this planet, & am a champion for Earth Humans' repossession of a planet that is rightfully theirs

If you recognize my signature as military then I guess you know what alpha, mike, foxtrot means? LOL... No I don't have any special connection to the military other than 3 husbands and a son who were military....my present husband was special forces, black ops, etc.

Please don't think I want proof from you. I wouldn't believe much so called proof anyway, unless it were like some of the implants that have been removed and video taped. Those are pretty great proof of something weird going on! But I neither believe nor disbelieve your story, I just listen with interest without forming a judgment about the truth of it since there is no proof.

My husband actually went through sort of torture at the hands of our government when he returned from Vietnam. He was sent to a secret facility in Colorado where they gave him drugs, hallucinogenics in a sensory deprivation tank, and shock treatments by a vindictive type "doctor" who was called Dr. Shock! Oddly enough Dr. Shock had an unfortunate accident and was killed by his own equipment, shocked to death! I can't think of a more fitting death.... and neither could my husband. They learned at that facility that they couldn't control special forces type dudes and my husband convinced them that it would be a lot healthier for them to release him. But he DID like the hallucinogenics and sensory deprivation tank. After 18 months in Vietnam that was pretty fantastic.

He has also seen grays, the tall and short grays, and one reptilian being at area 51. But of course he has no proof and would never give proof anyway. So if he is telling the truth then our government has worked with the grays and also been in contact with some kind of reptilian race. He does say the grays are very easy to kill since he was called in once when there was a conflict at area 51 with the grays. He felt their attempts at mind control but he is able to resist mind control so was able to kill them. He said they are pretty easy to kill as their main advantage is their ability to control the average human mind. Several humans were killed that day. This was in the 80's if I remember correctly.

As far as you not considering yourself superior to humans, I can say that many of your posts I have read do have a rather condescending tone, such as the following ones:

split from Horus-Ra thread: discussion of conduct on that thread
such a species-centric species Humans are -- all this focus on one Human being as your planet is being nuked & trashed & being taken over by a hostile ET junta --score one for the archons

Why am I not enlightened?
you are not enlightened because anyone who is in a 3D Human body is living w/a brain & mind totally messed w/by your controllers, in a matrix in which both your 3D & your 4D bodies are restricted & controlled. Then they like to make you feel like it's your fault that you are so disconnected from what is rightfully yours

The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us
it's just a fact, a reality, that Reptilians consider Humans to be quite stupid -- as they have been controlling Human minds for millennia [see Houman's archon thread, esp Observer's posts], they may have a point

the intent of this thread was not to discuss the Reptilian superiority complex & whether or not we like it -- the intent was to alert you all to the fact that Reptilian/Human hybrids are being 'seeded' thruout this world, & that Grey clones are illegally taking over Human bodies

Since you say you are a partial reptilian hybrid I would guess that you got part of their superiority complex, if it's true. I'm not going to go look for all your posts (at least the ones you haven't deleted) which sound like you think you know more than the average stupid human, but whether you intend to or not, you do give out a know it all type of energy. Who knows, maybe I do too.....takes one to know one type of thing. But I see what you are doing and it constantly annoys me, sort of on the level of a gnat buzzing in my face. In this case I could remove the face but I choose to put up with the gnat. Not that you should care and I certainly don't care what others think about me. So please continue on being yourself and don't let my opinion affect you. Yours does not affect me.

[wynderer]

thank you for expressing your honest take on how i come off -- i mean that sincerely -- i always prefer honesty over little snipes & digs

if i come off as sounding arrogant, that's not my intention --

i think you could read my 3 posts you quoted as trying to tell you what i have learned thru personal interaction w/the Reptilians -- i did not create the Universe & all the beings in it -- to me, it's just a fact that they are here, they despise most Humans, & they are working hard in these times to take as many of your souls w/them as they can during the mass deaths coming up

also, pls note my 2nd personal signature

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
i see your Alpha Mike Foxtrot up above, suggesting a military connection -- are you connected highly enough that you can gain access to the documents re abductions, including the names of abductees? -- i don't know if those who are abducted en masse by the Greys are listed, but i'm sure milabs & Reptilian playthings [Humans] are

& drat -- wish i'd taken photos of some of the marks on my body i've awakened with -- i thought the chafe marks on my wrists [as in fighting against restraints] were rather impressive

i do NOT consider myself superior to Humans, & esp not to your Animal brothers & sisters --i've lived a Human life in a Human body for 63 yrs [Earth time] -- i have fallen in love w/this planet, & am a champion for Earth Humans' repossession of a planet that is rightfully theirs

If you recognize my signature as military then I guess you know what alpha, mike, foxtrot means? LOL... No I don't have any special connection to the military other than 3 husbands and a son who were military....my present husband was special forces, black ops, etc.

Please don't think I want proof from you. I wouldn't believe much so called proof anyway, unless it were like some of the implants that have been removed and video taped. Those are pretty great proof of something weird going on! But I neither believe nor disbelieve your story, I just listen with interest without forming a judgment about the truth of it since there is no proof.

My husband actually went through sort of torture at the hands of our government when he returned from Vietnam. He was sent to a secret facility in Colorado where they gave him drugs, hallucinogenics in a sensory deprivation tank, and shock treatments by a vindictive type "doctor" who was called Dr. Shock! Oddly enough Dr. Shock had an unfortunate accident and was killed by his own equipment, shocked to death! I can't think of a more fitting death.... and neither could my husband. They learned at that facility that they couldn't control special forces type dudes and my husband convinced them that it would be a lot healthier for them to release him. But he DID like the hallucinogenics and sensory deprivation tank. After 18 months in Vietnam that was pretty fantastic.

He has also seen grays, the tall and short grays, and one reptilian being at area 51. But of course he has no proof and would never give proof anyway. So if he is telling the truth then our government has worked with the grays and also been in contact with some kind of reptilian race. He does say the grays are very easy to kill since he was called in once when there was a conflict at area 51 with the grays. He felt their attempts at mind control but he is able to resist mind control so was able to kill them. He said they are pretty easy to kill as their main advantage is their ability to control the average human mind. Several humans were killed that day. This was in the 80's if I remember correctly.

As far as you not considering yourself superior to humans, I can say that many of your posts I have read do have a rather condescending tone, such as the following ones:

split from Horus-Ra thread: discussion of conduct on that thread
such a species-centric species Humans are -- all this focus on one Human being as your planet is being nuked & trashed & being taken over by a hostile ET junta --score one for the archons

Why am I not enlightened?
you are not enlightened because anyone who is in a 3D Human body is living w/a brain & mind totally messed w/by your controllers, in a matrix in which both your 3D & your 4D bodies are restricted & controlled. Then they like to make you feel like it's your fault that you are so disconnected from what is rightfully yours

The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us
it's just a fact, a reality, that Reptilians consider Humans to be quite stupid -- as they have been controlling Human minds for millennia [see Houman's archon thread, esp Observer's posts], they may have a point

the intent of this thread was not to discuss the Reptilian superiority complex & whether or not we like it -- the intent was to alert you all to the fact that Reptilian/Human hybrids are being 'seeded' thruout this world, & that Grey clones are illegally taking over Human bodies

Since you say you are a partial reptilian hybrid I would guess that you got part of their superiority complex, if it's true. I'm not going to go look for all your posts (at least the ones you haven't deleted) which sound like you think you know more than the average stupid human, but whether you intend to or not, you do give out a know it all type of energy. Who knows, maybe I do too.....takes one to know one type of thing. But I see what you are doing and it constantly annoys me, sort of on the level of a gnat buzzing in my face. In this case I could remove the face but I choose to put up with the gnat. Not that you should care and I certainly don't care what others think about me. So please continue on being yourself and don't let my opinion affect you. Yours does not affect me.

[wynderer]

i was logged off & comfortably in bed, reading, when i realized that i had not responded to the more important part of your post [in my apparently often arrogant opinion] , which is what you shared about your husband -- he sounds like a hero to me

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
i see your Alpha Mike Foxtrot up above, suggesting a military connection -- are you connected highly enough that you can gain access to the documents re abductions, including the names of abductees? -- i don't know if those who are abducted en masse by the Greys are listed, but i'm sure milabs & Reptilian playthings [Humans] are

& drat -- wish i'd taken photos of some of the marks on my body i've awakened with -- i thought the chafe marks on my wrists [as in fighting against restraints] were rather impressive

i do NOT consider myself superior to Humans, & esp not to your Animal brothers & sisters --i've lived a Human life in a Human body for 63 yrs [Earth time] -- i have fallen in love w/this planet, & am a champion for Earth Humans' repossession of a planet that is rightfully theirs

If you recognize my signature as military then I guess you know what alpha, mike, foxtrot means? LOL... No I don't have any special connection to the military other than 3 husbands and a son who were military....my present husband was special forces, black ops, etc.

Please don't think I want proof from you. I wouldn't believe much so called proof anyway, unless it were like some of the implants that have been removed and video taped. Those are pretty great proof of something weird going on! But I neither believe nor disbelieve your story, I just listen with interest without forming a judgment about the truth of it since there is no proof.

My husband actually went through sort of torture at the hands of our government when he returned from Vietnam. He was sent to a secret facility in Colorado where they gave him drugs, hallucinogenics in a sensory deprivation tank, and shock treatments by a vindictive type "doctor" who was called Dr. Shock! Oddly enough Dr. Shock had an unfortunate accident and was killed by his own equipment, shocked to death! I can't think of a more fitting death.... and neither could my husband. They learned at that facility that they couldn't control special forces type dudes and my husband convinced them that it would be a lot healthier for them to release him. But he DID like the hallucinogenics and sensory deprivation tank. After 18 months in Vietnam that was pretty fantastic.

He has also seen grays, the tall and short grays, and one reptilian being at area 51. But of course he has no proof and would never give proof anyway. So if he is telling the truth then our government has worked with the grays and also been in contact with some kind of reptilian race. He does say the grays are very easy to kill since he was called in once when there was a conflict at area 51 with the grays. He felt their attempts at mind control but he is able to resist mind control so was able to kill them. He said they are pretty easy to kill as their main advantage is their ability to control the average human mind. Several humans were killed that day. This was in the 80's if I remember correctly.

As far as you not considering yourself superior to humans, I can say that many of your posts I have read do have a rather condescending tone, such as the following ones:

split from Horus-Ra thread: discussion of conduct on that thread
such a species-centric species Humans are -- all this focus on one Human being as your planet is being nuked & trashed & being taken over by a hostile ET junta --score one for the archons

Why am I not enlightened?
you are not enlightened because anyone who is in a 3D Human body is living w/a brain & mind totally messed w/by your controllers, in a matrix in which both your 3D & your 4D bodies are restricted & controlled. Then they like to make you feel like it's your fault that you are so disconnected from what is rightfully yours

The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us
it's just a fact, a reality, that Reptilians consider Humans to be quite stupid -- as they have been controlling Human minds for millennia [see Houman's archon thread, esp Observer's posts], they may have a point

the intent of this thread was not to discuss the Reptilian superiority complex & whether or not we like it -- the intent was to alert you all to the fact that Reptilian/Human hybrids are being 'seeded' thruout this world, & that Grey clones are illegally taking over Human bodies

Since you say you are a partial reptilian hybrid I would guess that you got part of their superiority complex, if it's true. I'm not going to go look for all your posts (at least the ones you haven't deleted) which sound like you think you know more than the average stupid human, but whether you intend to or not, you do give out a know it all type of energy. Who knows, maybe I do too.....takes one to know one type of thing. But I see what you are doing and it constantly annoys me, sort of on the level of a gnat buzzing in my face. In this case I could remove the face but I choose to put up with the gnat. Not that you should care and I certainly don't care what others think about me. So please continue on being yourself and don't let my opinion affect you. Yours does not affect me.

[Daughter of Time]

Wyn,

Since I haven't read all your posts then I apologize if what I'm about to ask has already been answered by you.

Since you think you might be a reptilian/human hybrid, then I wonder what your knowledge is on the origins of reptilians.

Some theorize that reptilians are ETs while others theorize that reptilians are earthly creatures who were here long before humans.

What is your opinion on this?

[Sierra]

Posted by donk (here)

I would refer you to post # 1675.

Ah...the oft mentioned "dreamtime healing" vids, knew I wasn't getting away from that one--but I had that filed away for when I found some new earbuds, been w/o video for a week or so (I got the shakes!!)...motivation to get on that.

Thank you very much amer zo!!

Any reading I can do while waiting for her to finish MRI?

....speaking of which, anybody ever catch anything (implants?) in a regular brain MRI?

They are trying to rule out MS, which I know nothing about...so doing "contrast", though not sure what that means. All I know is that whatever is physically wrong, whether dormant or placed at that instant, it triggered directly from receiving information, some external force trying to stop it. How do you tell a doctor that??

I believe Duncan O'Finioan went through an MRI, and it trashed his implant, giving him some freedom and awareness, where there was none before.

Sierra

EDIT: Never mind! I see Amzer Zo already gave you a link!

[wynderer]

Hi Daughter of Time --

i've hesitated to reply because i recalled that the last time i was posting on Avalon, Bill referred to my obsession w/Reptilians --

it's not fun for me to post about them -- as i wrote before, they don't like being talked/written about, & there is always payback -- i sometimes do wonder how well others here would stand up to what i've endured since i woke up in that abduction -- & then try to tell others about it & get the kinds of responses i get, from Humans

that said -- in my arrogant, know-it-all opinion, i think the Reptilians are 3D who came to Earth from elsewhere , & that their ability to inhabit 4D as well as 3D is something Humans should also be able to do, were you not in dumbed-down brains/minds in a matrix -- so that would make them ETs

edit to add: in fairness to the Reptilians, it's possible that some of the assaults i've endured may have come from our own military, using refinements on the technology they got from the gov't deals w/the ETs -- like the nights when i got awakened every hour on the hour by what sounded like a big boat horn, going BLAAAAT! in my ear

i sometimes think that continuing w/the hypnotherapy [basically giving myself permission to remember, w/the help of someone i trust, in a safe place] -- this is a choice to remember who did what to me, the what being especially unpleasant

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
Wyn,

Since I haven't read all your posts then I apologize if what I'm about to ask has already been answered by you.

Since you think you might be a reptilian/human hybrid, then I wonder what your knowledge is on the origins of reptilians.

Some theorize that reptilians are ETs while others theorize that reptilians are earthly creatures who were here long before humans.

What is your opinion on this?

[Finefeather]

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[wynderer]

but the astral planes as a whole, as an entirety, are a 'lower dimension' --vibrating at a frequency that is easy to manipulate [presented to Humans as 'the ability to create one's reality']

my ex & i used to have this discussion -- i told him to wake up the next day as a woman in South Africa, & give me a call from there , & then i'd listen to him

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Hi wynderer, hope you are well and happy

Posted by wynderer (here)
hi Finefeather --
when you leave your body, aka die, this time around, are you planning to stay in the astral planes?

I am not part of the current earth human chain, but part of a group of beings who have agreed to assist in the energy 'upgrade'. We are from a slightly higher level than the average human soul and have no karmic attachment to the current earth chain. We have to live our lives on earth in relative isolation to prevent attachment. When my body has served it's purpose I will return to my home which is not in what is termed the astral plane. The astral plane is a confusing term as many have created, in their minds, their own interpretation. The higher 'astral' planes are extremely beautiful and the decision to stay there is only based on the work we have decided to do on denser planes. It is the bridge or halfway house and it is there that separation from your source takes place.

Posted by wynderer (here)
before my 3rd Eye chakra was heavily implanted [ & i put up quite a fight!] , i was able to both leave my body, & remember where i went -- sometimes it was way outside/above Earth, 3D Earth, & the astral planes surrounding her

My understanding and experience based on the type of work I do is that, what you call the 3rd eye, has no effect on your ability to leave your body. You still leave your body every night. The fact that you say you do not remember anymore, is due to the fact that you are out of tune with your higher mind. I do not understand what you mean by 'heavily implanted' because no one but you is able to affect that tuning between your higher consciousness and your waking consciousness. Blockages are often caused by the higher self for some purpose in your life, which only it will be privy to. You need to change your emotional energy patterns to get back the ability to remember. People with high imagination levels and who have not yet mastered their emotions can end up with a traumatic astral life and not remembering is often a blessing in disguise. This thread is all about this phenomena.
Just to set the record straight: the astral planes are not located around the earth as in some sort of onion idea, all the quantum planes are everywhere, you are living right next to your dead aunt or mother or child and you just don't realize it.

Posted by wynderer (here)
from this viewpoint, the astral planes near Earth sure look like a pen for your minds, the way 3D Earth is a pen/cage/matrix for your bodies

Once again I note that you are confused about the astral planes. There is no 'viewpoint' from which the astral plane can be viewed, like we see the earth from a porthole inside an airline.
The lower 'astral' planes have their purpose in the same way as the physical density and the many entities who inhabit it are as comfortable there as a fish is in water. Once you understand the density levels of the cosmos you will know that life is everywhere. You create your own reality in every density that you find yourself in, so it would be a good idea to understand this better and you will slowly realize that the 'pen/cage/matrix' is just your own illusion and creation.

Posted by wynderer (here)
i've always felt/thought that truth was more important than maintaining happy feelings -- your controllers know how to create happy feelings in you when you are in the astral planes --

Truth begets happy feelings and if you are not the controller then you should start being the controller. The happy feeling you say are created by your controllers, is the same as the feeling some of us get when we receive our paycheck each month. There is motive behind it to get the most out of you with the least amount of exchange. If you decide to be controlled by others you have a few choices:
1. Stay locked into that controlled helpless situation, where you believe you can have no life without it, and have a false sense of happiness or:
2. Begin to realize that you are an equal opportunity soul who has the right to be treated accordingly. I know many who have equal opportunity relationships with others, it's called unconditional love. If you do not find it in your life, first look inside yourself to make sure your house is in order, else move away from the situation.

Regards

[observer]

I don't know how many times I have to repeat a simple fact.

Personal testimony works well among those who desire to be hypnotized by the dogma.

And now, Finefether, you are making a bizarre claim to being some sort of emissary from a higher dimension:

"I am not part of the current earth human chain, but part of a group of beings who have agreed to assist in the energy 'upgrade'. We are from a slightly higher level than the average human soul and have no karmic attachment to the current earth chain."

This sort of 'witnessing' would be well suited to a discussion in something similar to the Bible Thread. It is NOT the sort of evidence being presented in this thread.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdB-tbzJSrk

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdB-t...ure=plpp_video

Take a listen at about 11 min. in.


They are very clever at what they do....

[Finefeather]

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