Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by wynderer (here)
thank you for expressing your honest take on how i come off -- i mean that sincerely -- i always prefer honesty over little snipes & digs

if i come off as sounding arrogant, that's not my intention --

i think you could read my 3 posts you quoted as trying to tell you what i have learned thru personal interaction w/the Reptilians -- i did not create the Universe & all the beings in it -- to me, it's just a fact that they are here, they despise most Humans, & they are working hard in these times to take as many of your souls w/them as they can during the mass deaths coming up

also, pls note my 2nd personal signature

Since honesty is being addressed here, I'll voice how I honestly feel in this one post only.

First: (your signature quote)
Never underestimate the intelligence of the common man.
D W Griffith

I consider my "self" a common man.....

Second: I feel you have derailed this thread by making it all about you you you, yet "you" are a great example of what "was" the nature and topic of this thread, which is "parasites". Perhaps this is "your" nature due to you being a reptilian/ET alien creature trapped in a human body. I feel you are feeding off the energy of others here.

Third: There is a part of me that actually believes you may of truly had an alien encounter, hence; been abducted. But reading through most of your posts I strongly sense deception on some level or perhaps it's just you making certain things up through your own imagination to how you perceive ALL of these creatures/parasites to be based on one or two of your own personal experiences. Thus, most of what you are saying I personally do not accept as truth of your experience(s) and regard it as nothing but hearsay.

Fourth: That is all I will say about this and will look forward to this thread returning back to what it once was.

[donk]

If I've learned one thing in life about conflict/struggle/negativity/aggression, it's that it seems to stem from one of the most powerful items in the "toolkit" we are ascribing to archontic forces, and that is attachment to one's beliefs.

How easily does ANY thread get "derailed" when someone starts speaking as the be-all, end-all authority on something--that they just KNOW something....then someone takes exception, and either takes the passive-aggressive route:

you seem to talk with such authority, you seem to know everything, oh it must be nice up there on those higher planes, you lower vibrational non-experienced slaves don't even understand, and on and on....

or the directly aggressive route:

You are wrong, I know this, you are delusional, this expert said this, oh your expert is a liar, and on and on....

Point is, this SEEMS to be the easiest element of this whole issue to "get over" or transcend or beat some archon ass or whatever, but as evidenced by recent events in the thread, it seems a lot of times that people that "get it" can easily slip back into this intense emotional attachment to their beliefs (even if that belief is "you shouldn't have attachments to your beliefs" ).

No one seems to be immune--I will never claim I am not guilty of same thing, and hope that when I am someone can point it out to me in a way I can hear. It takes vigilance and constantly questioning who you are, allowing yourself to be wrong, to be able to accept everything, while not truly accepting anyhing, if that makes any sense.

I feel I "know myself", and I don't KNOW a friggin' thing. I like to share what I found to be the "truth", and have others do the same in return. When someone shoves their "truth" in everyone's face along with all their baggage and attachments, it makes it harder to discern the information being transmitted. I accept that this is the programming, this is "normal", at least in the society I was raised in...and learning how to open people's eyes to this is one of my passions (emotional attachment??).

So, what I am really getting at, is that every post that I read seems to me directly related to the OP--but depending on the emotional attachment thrown in with it, it falls into a scale from objective evidential source of information to an intense example of the forces at work (which still is informative, but gets to be a drag after a dozen pages). Ironically, many of the posts asking that the thread be "kept on topic" falls in the middle...people want that, and usually ask for it with some baggage on the side.

Maybe if people started thinking about why they are throwing in their personal stuff (which I tend to enjoy), make sure you think about WHY and WHAT you are saying, and asking yourself--is my audience going to understand the information that I am trying to share?

[Finefeather]

removed to avoid controversy

[Sierra]

Posted by donk (here)
If I've learned one thing in life about conflict/struggle/negativity/aggression, it's that it seems to stem from one of the most powerful items in the "toolkit" we are ascribing to archontic forces, and that is attachment to one's beliefs.

No one seems to be immune--I will never claim I am not guilty of same thing, and hope that when I am someone can point it out to me in a way I can hear. It takes vigilance and constantly questioning who you are, allowing yourself to be wrong, to be able to accept everything, while not truly accepting anyhing, if that makes any sense.

I feel I "know myself", and I don't KNOW a friggin' thing. I like to share what I found to be the "truth", and have others do the same in return. When someone shoves their "truth" in everyone's face along with all their baggage and attachments, it makes it harder to discern the information being transmitted. I accept that this is the programming, this is "normal", at least in the society I was raised in...and learning how to open people's eyes to this is one of my passions (emotional attachment??).

Makes perfect sense to this Libran over here...

Sierra

[Houman]

from 4:20 onward

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qKE9FOlto1g

[NancyV]

Posted by observer (here)
I don't know how many times I have to repeat a simple fact.

Personal testimony works well among those who desire to be hypnotized by the dogma.

And now, Finefether, you are making a bizarre claim to being some sort of emissary from a higher dimension:

You seem to be picking and choosing who you are accusing of giving "personal testimony" Have you asked Wynderer for proof, which you seem to value so much, of being an abductee or of any of her other statements about the astral plane or being tortured? Her statements are also "personal testimony".

Finefeather's statements are no more provable or unprovable than Wynderer's statements and claims. He has his perspective, she has hers. Your perspective seems to include an agenda to control how others post and to judge who is believable and who is not....entirely without proof and only through "personal testimony". How about you lighten up on your attempts to control others and stop attempting to deliberately demean a chosen few. At the least you could be an equal opportunity demeaner, but your prejudices and biases are blatantly obvious and grindingly boring.

[wynderer]

thought this might be of interest, particularly this quote:


My research suggests that a covert military/intelligence pursuit of developing extraterrestrial technologies, in combination with the military, economic, and political gains that would be derived from such a pursuit, has resulted in making ET abductions a matter of national security. And I feel strongly that it also provides immense insight into why an official disclosure of the UFO reality has not been forthcoming.

http://www.alienjigsaw.com/Milabs/ReABS.htm

RE-ABS: Not MILABS

How the Covert-Ops' Reverse Engineering of Extraterrestrial Abductees Shifts the Abduction Paradigm

By Melinda Leslie


Twenty years ago I came to learn of my own experiences with extraterrestrial (ET) abduction. After only two years into my discovery process, I suddenly had a new form of encounter – one that included the involvement of military personnel in my experiences. This new discovery led me to research the military or covert-ops involvement in other cases besides my own, and learning that I was not alone. In fact, many abductees share a covert human involvement in their lives. I have now conducted over fifty formal interviews with abductees who have these covert-ops experiences and I'm familiar with at least another fifty more. Over the years, these experiences became the focus of my research, but my definition of them changed as the research grew and changed. I have since come to call these experiences, "the reverse engineering of ET abductees."

While attending UFO conferences and lectures, I find myself in conversations attempting to explain my research to people, during which they often ask, "What do you mean when you say they are reverse engineering abductees?!" as they listen to me describe why there is a military and/or intelligence community (military/intelligence) interest in abductees. In my attempt to briefly summarize for them, I soon realize a more detailed explanation is required to really grasp the greater implications of reverse engineering as it relates to the abduction subject, especially since what I am actually referring to is the bigger picture of where ET abduction meets technology meets UFO cover-up. But, before I begin, some background information is needed.

MILABS: An Acronym is Born

In the UFO abduction and ufology community, the acronym "MILABS" (or MILAB) which is short for military (MIL) abductions (ABS) has become synonymous with a military presence, or government agency involvement in ET abduction experiences. This abbreviation was originally coined by Dr. Helmut_Lammer in a paper he wrote titled Preliminary Findings of Project MILAB: Evidence for Military Kidnappings of Alleged UFO Abductees, 1996, and later became the title of his and wife Marion Lammer's book MILABS: Military Mind Control and ET Abduction, 1999.

While credit is due to Dr. Lammer for coining the acronym, he was not the first to introduce the notion of a possible military/intelligence involvement in the abduction phenomenon. For many years, the subject was widely spoken and written about by abductees such as Kay Wilson (1993), Leah Haley (1993), Karla Turner (1994), Debbie Jordan (1994), Kim Carlsberg (1994), Mia Adams (1995) and even Whitley Strieber (1995) to name but a few. There was also research mentioning a military involvement in ET abductions in works such as the MUFON Transcription Project in 1995 and The Andreasson Affair Phase Two by Ray Fowler as far back as 1980, where he writes about Betty Andreasson's and Bob Luca's accounts of black helicopter involvement, all of this long before the use of the acronym that has come to define it.

In the time since its inception, "MILABS" has become a catch-all phrase used by researchers and abductees to reference many different types of possible experiences. From the presence of military uniformed personnel in an otherwise ET abduction scenario, to a litany of government mind control related activities, to an officially sanctioned government involvement in monitoring the lives of ET abductees, to an outright military cause for abductions in-lieu-of or excluding extraterrestrials altogether. Needless to say, the acronym, while generally accepted in the greater ufology community, gets loosely tossed about causing confusion. This problem has resulted in the person saying it means one thing, while the person hearing it often thinking something else altogether.

Due to the confusion, I started to redefine my research, not with an acronym, but with a statement boiled down to a sentence, that of: "Covert intelligence and paramilitary re-abduction, harassment, and surveillance in extraterrestrial abduction experiences," adding to it further from time to time with extra statements like, "as evidence for the reality of UFO abduction." My creation of this sentence was to attempt to describe my overall research in an encapsulated form so I didn't always have to go on and on at length. That being said, I do feel it necessary to briefly explain to the reader who may not be familiar with my research, more precisely what it is about.

Melinda Leslie's Research

My research suggests that a covert military/intelligence pursuit of developing extraterrestrial technologies, in combination with the military, economic, and political gains that would be derived from such a pursuit, has resulted in making ET abductions a matter of national security. And I feel strongly that it also provides immense insight into why an official disclosure of the UFO reality has not been forthcoming.

I contend it would be a complete "dereliction of duty" if the national security apparatus were not monitoring the abduction phenomenon, given the sheer number of people claiming to have experiences worldwide; the totality of evidence for ET abductions, the technology to be gained and learned, and the implications of the covert nature of abduction experiences. And I suggest this targeting, monitoring, and re-abduction of abductees by covert military/intelligence agencies may provide the strongest evidence for the reality of UFO abduction experiences. There is an abundance of evidence for covert involvement, such as extensive corroborating experience testimony, multiple forms of physical evidence, eyewitness testimony, accounts of military and intelligence insiders, and many forms of documented surveillance.

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[wynderer]

http://www.womeninufology.com/melinda-leslie.php

Melinda Leslie has been public with her own abduction experiences for over 20 years, researched covert-ops and military involvement in abductions (also known as MILABs) for 18 years, and interviewed over 80 abductees with this involvement. Melinda's research is featured in the book; Camouflage Through Limited Disclosure: Deconstructing a Cover-up of the Extraterrestrial Presence by Randy Koppang. Melinda has lectured for numerous organizations including MUFON, the X-Conference, the Bay Area UFO Expo, UFO Expo West, the International UFO Congress, The Whole Life Expo, and more. She has been a guest on numerous popular radio shows including Coast-to-Coast AM, and appeared on several television shows. For 9 years Melinda was the Producer and Director of a UFO lecture series hosting the most prominent names in ufology. In addition to her abduction work, Melinda has been a paranormal researcher for over 25 years and a founding member of the Orange County Paranormal Researchers, a group which has conducted formal investigations for 9 years.

[Houman]

The speaker is "Raun Kaufman"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9bCurFXG5do

"At 18 months, Raun was diagnosed as severely and incurably autistic. Although advised to institutionalize Raun, his parents, authors/teachers Samahria and Barry Neil Kaufman, instead created an innovative home-based, child-centered program in an effort to reach their son. Their work, which developed into a unique methodology now known as The Son-Rise Program, enabled Raun to recover completely from his Autism, transforming him from a mute, withdrawn child with a tested I.Q. of less than 30 into an outgoing, social boy with a near-genius I.Q. Raun’s story was recounted by his father, Barry Neil Kaufman..."

[wynderer]

Accounting for Stories of Alien Abduction Psychiatrist John Mack shares his convictons [sic] that these reports are 'authentic and disturbing mysteries'

By Deane W. Lord
Gazette Staff

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Estimates vary as to how many individuals have had abduction
experiences. According to a Roper Organization poll, one out of every
50 American adults-- some 3.7 million people indicate that they have
had an encounter with an unidentified flying object or an alien being.

"It is possible that hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of
people in this country alone have undergone abduction experiences,"
said Mack.

Because of the stigma attached to revealing such experiences, he
believes many people remain underground, too ashamed or alarmed to
admit the experience.

"The more prominent the person, the more likely he or she will be
reluctant to come forward as they have more to lose," he said. "Often,
once they seek help, abductees prefer to be diagnosed as crazy."

A well-known psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, Mack reports that of the
60 cases he has worked on he has found, -to his surprise, that after a
battery of psychological tests, "no psychiatric or psychosocial
explanation for these reports is evident. These people are not mentally
ill." He has spent countless therapeutic hours with these individuals
only to find that what struck him was the "ordinariness" of the
population, including a restaurant owner, several secretaries, a prison
guard, college students, a university administrator, and several
homemakers.

"The majority of abductees do not appear to be deluded,
confabulating, lying, self-dramatizing, or suffering from a clear
mental illness," he maintained. He has encountered only one person who
showed psychotic features.
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http://www.textfiles.com/ufo/UFOBBS/2000/2726.ufo

and this:
Why the Abduction Phenomenon Cannot Be Explained Psychiatrically
John Mack, M.D.
...Even psychosocial or cultural explanations, if they were to include all of the major dimensions of the syndrome, would force us to stretch our notions of the collective unconscious to such a degree that the distinctions between psyche and world, internal and external reality, would be obliterated…
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http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/JohnMack.htm

[wynderer]

John Edward Mack, M.D. (October 4, 1929–September 27, 2004) was an American psychiatrist, writer, and professor at Harvard Medical School. He was a Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer, and a leading authority on the spiritual or transformational effects of alleged alien abduction experiences.[1]

[edit] Biography[edit] Early careerBorn in New York City, Mack received his medical degree from Harvard Medical School (Cum Laude, 1955) after undergraduate study at Oberlin (Phi Beta Kappa, 1951). He was a graduate of the Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute and was certified in child and adult psychoanalysis.

The dominant theme of his life's work has been the exploration of how one's perceptions of the world affect one's relationships. He addressed this issue of "world view" on the individual level in his early clinical explorations of dreams, nightmares and teen suicide, and in A Prince of Our Disorder, his biographical study of the life of British officer T. E. Lawrence, for which he received the Pulitzer Prize for Biography in 1977.[2]

[edit] Cold War and anti-nuclear activismIn the 1980s, Mack interviewed many international political figures as part of his research into the root causes of the Cold War, including former President Jimmy Carter and the "father of the hydrogen bomb", Edward Teller. Together with luminaries such as Carl Sagan, Mack and other Physicians for Social Responsibility (the US affiliate of International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War) promoted the elimination of nuclear weapons and an end to the simmering conflict between the United States and the USSR. Emboldened by the organization's receipt of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985, Mack, Sagan, and 700 other academics walked upon the grounds of the Nevada Test Site in the summer of 1986, setting a civil disobedience record for that nuclear weapons testing facility.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edward_Mack

[observer]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see Finefeather's comment#1920

Posted by NancyV (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see NancyV's comment #1926

For those members interested in my reply to Finefeather, and NancyV please see the comment I made in another thread. I'm moving this debate to the Split-Off thread out of respect for Houman's work, and because this debate has no place in this thread.

Posted by observer (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see observer's comment #172 in the Split-Off Thread

[wynderer]

Houman, hope you agree this fits in this thread -- i posted it on Freebooter's thread 1st

Alien-Demon Breeding Facility
Posted on February 26, 2011 by admin

Denver Airport – Google Earth Coordinates 104 44 30 - 40 36 10
About to Be Unleashed
Way Too Close of an Encounter

Where to begin? So much information and so little time … right?

By now many people are aware that there have been numerous reports of “alien breeding” occurring in the Deep Underground Military Bases. As far back as 1991, the reports indicated that 1 in 40 “so called” humans walking among us are hybrids of some type. You have endless streams of information from people who have witnessed these abominations (alien breeding underground), and “not so surprisingly” they all seem to eventually “disappear”, “commit suicide”, or are found dead for “whatever” reason is presented.

The original “Dulce Papers” are still floating around the Internet in various locations. They show what is evidently a hand sketched drawing of alien-human hybrid creatures in various stages of development in an eerie laboratory setting complete with security cameras and strange glowing broths of chemicals. It’s pretty creepy to say the least.

Where is Branton?

Then you have the “Branton” works. Reportedly “Branton” is a “pen-name”. Understandably so. If you search on “Branton Alien Nazi Reptilian NWO Warning” you will likely find his most alarming account of this unbelievable information. Branton is supposedly a Christian. Branton was supposedly inside of these Deep Underground Bases and saw this stuff with his own eyes. Evidently this fellow Branton, has disappeared and no one knows where he is today.

Here is an excerpt from the Branton paper mentioned above. This is an excellent work and will “short circuit” your earthly sensibilities.

The Reptiloids in Alpha Draconis and Rigel Orion claim that they originated on earth in prehistoric times and were part of a bipedal reptilian or saurian race [like the cunning velociraptors?]. Now they are here to take back ‘their planet’ from the human race. In order to accomplish this, they are using multi-leveled deception and propaganda — mostly through ‘channeled’ information and through information conveyed to ‘abductees’ — to convince humans to capitulate themselves over to aliens ‘guides’ and thus allow the aliens access to their minds and in turn to our society in general.


- Branton Alien Nazi Reptilian NWO Warning

Sherry Shriner Works and Warnings

You also have the works of Sherry Shriner. Now I admit I have studied her work and indeed listened to her radio shows. She has some surprisingly accurate data presented in a number of transcripts and writings. She is a Book of Enoch fan, and is WAY ahead of most Christian researchers in her knowledge of the “intergalactic” nature of the forthcoming “alien invasion”. And her write-ups of these creatures and their “human looking” versions is nothing less that “jaw dropping”.


[edit to add: Christians are having trouble reconciling the entire Bible as 'the Word of God' -- [the only word -- not one of my personal beliefs, nor that the whole book is the 'Word'] w/this new info]

However I warn you. Ms. Shriner denigrates Paul the apostle (thus discredits 2/3rds of the New Testament) and she blasphemes the Holy Spirit and claims that anyone who “speaks in tongues” is of the Devil and demonic. So there you go! There is proof positive that all these sources must be kept at arms length. Do your homework and learn if you are so led, but be careful out there. Behind every learned mouthpiece is a potential deception that will “jettison” you directly into the Great Tribulation. Sadly she is (maybe unwittingly) one of those sources.

Breeding Obsession and Resources

It is no secret for any mediocre student of “alien-demon” abductions, “they” have been obsessed with the reproductive system of the human being for a very very long time. There are abduction records that go back into the 50′s when Eisenhower signed the alien 1954 Greada Treaty. And before then you can dig up records that indicate even Roosevelt had dealings with similar issues. You can even find the mysterious and cryptic speech of General MacArthur where he mentions to an academy of military students that the real threat is one not of this earth.

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http://www.tribulation-now.org/2011/...ding-facility/

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by wynderer (here)
Hi Daughter of Time --

i've hesitated to reply because i recalled that the last time i was posting on Avalon, Bill referred to my obsession w/Reptilians --

it's not fun for me to post about them -- as i wrote before, they don't like being talked/written about, & there is always payback -- i sometimes do wonder how well others here would stand up to what i've endured since i woke up in that abduction -- & then try to tell others about it & get the kinds of responses i get, from Humans

that said -- in my arrogant, know-it-all opinion, i think the Reptilians are 3D who came to Earth from elsewhere , & that their ability to inhabit 4D as well as 3D is something Humans should also be able to do, were you not in dumbed-down brains/minds in a matrix -- so that would make them ETs

edit to add: in fairness to the Reptilians, it's possible that some of the assaults i've endured may have come from our own military, using refinements on the technology they got from the gov't deals w/the ETs -- like the nights when i got awakened every hour on the hour by what sounded like a big boat horn, going BLAAAAT! in my ear

i sometimes think that continuing w/the hypnotherapy [basically giving myself permission to remember, w/the help of someone i trust, in a safe place] -- this is a choice to remember who did what to me, the what being especially unpleasant

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
Wyn,

Since I haven't read all your posts then I apologize if what I'm about to ask has already been answered by you.

Since you think you might be a reptilian/human hybrid, then I wonder what your knowledge is on the origins of reptilians.

Some theorize that reptilians are ETs while others theorize that reptilians are earthly creatures who were here long before humans.

What is your opinion on this?

Thank you for answering my question. You didn't have to do it.

I didn't realize i was asking you to cross a boundary, otherwise I would not have asked.

If it should happen in the future that I ask something which would be detrimental to you, simply decline to answer. I will understand.

[wynderer]

from ICAR --Int'l Center for Abduction Research

Abductees Speak
Journey of Discovery by Becky

Part 2: Discovery


Because of the early ridicule I endured, I had no support system. There was no one with whom I could talk and no one I would trust to listen. I felt very alone, but learned to go on with my life. I did occasionally wonder about things and I think on some level I always knew something was going on. I would catch myself thinking about an odd mark or unexplainable bruise, and deciding, “Oh, they must have been here last night.” It took me years to wonder who “they” were. I accepted my odd fears and worked to overcome them. I didn’t question where they came from. There were times I would awaken with my nightclothes on backwards, inside out, or both. I became obsessed with checking them to make sure they were on correctly at bedtime, which they nearly always were. In the morning, I would be at a loss to explain how they had turned or flipped. Every once in a while, I would wake up with nothing on and find my night clothes in another room. This was extremely hard to explain, but I managed to simply shrug it off and not think too deeply about it. Occasionally, I would see some cartoon character or drawing of something with large eyes. They made me uncomfortable, but I would just avoid them. I didn’t like to spend the night at anyone else’s house because I felt a vague sense of guilt that I would somehow endanger them. I kept to myself for many years.

Everything changed in my 20’s when I accidentally picked up a book on alien abductions. The book was Communion by Whitley Strieber. I have been an avid science fiction reader my entire life, but always stayed well clear of UFO and abduction topics. I had never read any other books by this author, and didn’t have any idea what this particular book was about. I bought the book as part of a package for joining a book club and without thinking picked Communion. When it arrived, I put it aside and ignored it for months. The cover bothered me, so I turned it over and put it under a stack of other books. Even though I hadn’t read a word in it yet, I didn’t like the book. It disturbed me. Ultimately, I ran out of other reading material and picked it up again. As I began to read, I realized that I was recognizing more and more of the material. I read it from cover to cover in a few hours, never putting it down once I began. No other book has ever affected me as that one did, before or since. Quite literally, my world fell apart that day.

http://www.ufoabduction.com/becky2.htm

[Flash]

Most people on this forum must have read that book "War in Heavens" but I had not. Just finished reading it.

I found it quite interesting, even disturbing to say the least. What the author says sometimes corresponds to some of my readings etc, and some other parts are really new to me.

A war amongst forces, having enligntened ones not intervening in anything because nothing exist, organised religions and para religions of all kinds being traps for human beings and for mind control and even for souls food, having new ages as white or black and having music groups used for mind entrainment, this is easy to see.

However, one thing amongst others is to say that after the physical there is only the astral and it does not go further (what about the causal levels thaught in hiduis and occultism) , or yet, that souls do die (there is no eternity...), is more difficult for me to digest. It is quite clear that some archonic theocracy may damage the soul, but no eternal soul or soul transference to other state of being, and nothing past astral realms, I find it difficult to accept.

A few more points seems intagible to me. I wonder if others have read this book and what they think/lived.

Overall an interesting read nonetheless.

Thank you Observer.

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see Finefeather's comment #1895

I'm going to take a break from a policy I try to strictly adhere regarding telepathically implanted thoughts, Finefeather, to give the members who are insisting this Astral is a wonderful place to play, a look into why I have formulated this point of view, and how this interpretation relates to the topic of this thread.

In the very early 60s I became a subscriber to Edgar Cayce's work. Up into the early nineties, through those many years, I was a subscriber to a multitude of channelers, mystics, seers, remote viewers, and whatever other names you wish to apply to this phenomenon. After I became disillusioned with the channeled message, I began looking for objective evidence.

Among all the channelers I've ever studied, there were only three that I ever thought their message was unaffected by the reptilian/archonic influence. I based this interpretation on the nature of what these three were revealing regarding the reptilian/archonic influence on Humanity. I first learned about the reptilian influence in the mid seventies from one of these 'channelers'. Had there been an archonic influence involved with these three, the message they were revealing would never have come through.

Over nearly thirty years of reading every sort of telepathically implanted thought, presented by, well into a hundred different seers, I observed a reoccurring theme. This theme was not new to the clairvoyant phenomenon.

I am also somewhat a student of history. I noticed this same reoccurring theme goes all the way back to the Dawn of Man. This theme can be found in the words of the prophets of antiquity. It can be found in the religious dogma of the past two thousand years. It is ever present in the New Age message with its roots in the Astral.

This theme, to which I refer, is the concept that "there will be a bright new day" if only one stays focused on the 'god' of whatever dogma is being promoted. This reoccurring theme, throughout history, is what I characterize as "objective evidence".

Please note: when I use the term 'god', I am also referring to the contemporary concept that, "we are all creator-beings of our own reality", found within the dogma of the contemporary edition of this "everything is going to be O.K." telepathically implanted rhetoric.

There is absolutely no objective evidence, that can be presented by those supporting these concepts, to prove their subjective interpretations of the very personal experiences they are having are NOT being influenced by archonic entities.

Where are your thousands of years of prophetic documents.... documents that have all turned-out to be lies? How many thousands of predictions and messages of hope coming from these seers have never occurred, all the way back into antiquity?

Please refer to what I said in comment #1887:

"Indigenous Cultures required a lifetime of preparation for the 'chosen' individuals whose jobs were to go into the Astral on behalf of the tribe."

I'm aware of the word games that are played by supporters of these concepts, so don't bother with your "objective v. subjective" wordplay. It won't work.

I've already described the sort of objective evidence I'm referring to. Supporters of the types of telepathically implanted messages I've already described can offer no documents, photographs, or witnesses to their very personal experiences. This is the sort of objective evidence one needs to produce for their experiences to move from subjective imagination to objective reality.

So, Finefeather, as I stated in the beginning of this comment, I'm going to take a break from a policy, and offer you something I ran across back in the early 90s, just as my faith in the many seers I had been subscribing to was crumbling. This work came from one of those three 'channelers' I referred to earlier. I was fortunate to find a copy of this book on the internet:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...heaven-III.htm

It's a relatively easy read, and one can get through it in a week of evenings.

As I've stated many times on this forum, I do not subscribe to telepathically implanted thoughts. The content of the above linked book is derived from telepathically implanted thoughts. One will find the content of this book much different from the material coming from most clairvoyants from throughout history.

Could there be something to the observation that the astral is being patrolled by archonic entities whose purpose is to confuse and trap the Mass of Humanity?

You be the judge.

It is not my intention, Finefeather, of starting a debate with you, in this thread, over the issue of good v. evil with regard to telepathic thoughts and your personal experiences in the astral. This thread is about archonic energies and the Abject Evil they represent. The comments I make are presentations of an evidential trail related to that particular influence.

There are other threads where you can debate the merits of your telepathically implanted interpretation.

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Posted by Houman (here)
from 4:20 onward

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qKE9FOlto1g

Thank you Houman, I love this guy. NOn judgment, love and persistence do make miracles. My family is a direct proof of it.

I would love to work with this approach with children. It would be hyper different from what i do now and probably more useful.

[Jeffrey]

From Plasma Crystals and Helical Structures Towards Inorganic Living Matter

Tsytovich, V. N.; Morfill, G. E.; Fortov, V. E.; Gusein-Zade, N. G.; Klumov, B. A.; Vladimirov, S. V.

New Journal of Physics, Volume 9, Issue 8, pp. 263 (2007).
Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as 'memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics. We examine the salient features of this new complex 'state of soft matter' in light of the autonomy, evolution, progenity and autopoiesis principles used to define life. It is concluded that complex self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter that may exist in space provided certain conditions allow them to evolve naturally.

Source: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007NJPh....9..263T

The Earth's Plasmasphere: http://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/

COLD PLASMA LAYER DETECTED HIGH ABOVE EARTH: http://news.discovery.com/earth/eart...nd-120127.html

http://web.mit.edu/space/www/helio.r...ord.suess.html

Local Bubble

The Local Bubble is a cavity in the interstellar medium (ISM) in the Orion Arm of the Milky Way which contains the Local Interstellar Cloud and G-cloud (as well as others). It is at least 300 light years across and has a neutral hydrogen density of about 0.05 atoms per cubic centimetre, or approximately one tenth of the average for the ISM in the Milky Way (0.5 atoms/cc), and one sixth of the "Local Fluff", or Local Interstellar Cloud (0.3 atoms/cc). The hot diffuse gas in the Local Bubble emits X-rays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Bubble

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...23dec_voyager/



Holographic Archetypes: http://ionamiller.weebly.com/hologra...rchetypes.html

DNA is a Fractal Antenna: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21457072

Hungry Ghosts and Energy Systems: http://www.spi.com.sg/spi_files/hung...003/main07.htm

The True Nature of the Dark Force: http://www.clarity-of-being.org/dark...rue-nature.htm

[Timreh]

I have a friend who (happens to be a Christian) has been asking me questions...

Edit: To save me time..
What is a good book, audio or video presentation that outlines the whole agenda here?
Something not too heavy if that is possible?

[wynderer]

Houman will likely have some good suggestions -- i think that Jim Marrs 'Alien Agenda' & David Jacobs 'The Threat' are 2 pretty accurate accounts of what's going on, on the ET side of the archons -- there's a video on this thread that i think Vivek posted many posts back that is a good overview also, something about 'The Truth ..' [hoping someone else will remember & post it for you]

Posted by SoulAppreciation (here)
I have a friend who (happens to be a Christian) has been asking me questions...

Edit: To save me time..
What is a good book, audio or video presentation that outlines the whole agenda here?
Something not too heavy if that is possible?

[Finefeather]

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