Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Kristin]

Viking,
The opinions you have are yours to create. It would be nice to have less obvious ridicule, however, this thread begs me to ask a question that has been on my mind for sometime; Why are you holding onto this particular belief so strongly? This I ask in all sincerity and with respect. You have been a member here for sometime now. I feel that we all have enough of an understanding with one another at this point to ask, "Why?" and to get a straight answer.

Now if we can clam down on the ridicule, perhaps Viking would care to answer this honestly. I, for one, am really curious.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Kristin ... when you say 'holding onto particular belief so strongly' ... what belief do you mean...

viking

[Kristin]

Well there are many to choose from, let's just stick to this thread shall we?
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Eric J (Viking)]

What do you mean? supporting Drake ? I have posted a few updates here and there...thats what the thread is for...if you are asking do I support his vision... then yes of course I do, as I do many other messengers...the trick is to embed his visions within your mindset, I have made no qualms about this...I know its difficult to adopt a utopia society in this reality...maybe it is not to be until another time...who knows?!

viking

[Ishtar]

Posted by viking (here)
.the trick is to embed his visions within your mindset,
viking

You mean brainwashing?

No ridicule intended. Serious question.

Embedding someone else's visions within your mindset is giving your power away.

[Kristin]

Posted by viking (here)
What do you mean? supporting Drake ? I have posted a few updates here and there...thats what the thread is for...if you are asking do I support his vision... then yes of course I do, as I do many other messengers...the trick is to embed his visions within your mindset, I have made no qualms about this...I know its difficult to adopt a utopia society in this reality...maybe it is not to be until another time...who knows?!


viking

So what you mean to say, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you do not believe in the information that you are posting but continue to do so to try to create something? Why not create something new that others can decide if they want to uphold? Why tail off of a creation that is not yours and that is a dead end?

Just thoughts.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by viking (here)
.the trick is to embed his visions within your mindset,
viking

You mean brainwashing?

No ridicule intended. Serious question.

Embedding someone else's visions within your mindset is giving your power away.

LOL no ridicule taken...I only take on someone else's vision if I believe it is for the good of humanity...and yes i can think for myself...perhaps I should start painting pretty pictures and pass then on... ;-)

Well you've got to ask yourself how we have got into this reality...? Brainwashed comes to mind...! has this reality been manufactured? well of course it has, we all know that...listen, I know it's difficult to even think of what it will be like, let alone hold an image...

Anyway in answer to your question what I mean is thinking of a new way/reality ...

I am not intending to brainwash anyone...freewill is ours to choose.

edit yes Kristen...you are correct ... my time is limited, so when I see a message that resonates and indeed I believe it is for the better of mankind, then I pass it on...but yes I should perhaps start my own visions/reality,...thanks for taking your time to understand me.

viking

[Ishtar]

Posted by viking (here)

Well you've got to ask yourself how we have got into this reality...? Brainwashed comes to mind...! has this reality been manufactured? well of course it has, we all know that...listen, I know it's difficult to even think of what it will be like, let alone hold an image...

So the point I was trying to make is... why exchange one brainwashed reality that has been autu-suggested to you for another brainwashed reality that has also been auto-suggested to you but by someone else?

Wny not create your own reality from your own visions?

Well, that's my way of doing things anyway. It's taking responsibility for your own life.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by viking (here)

Well you've got to ask yourself how we have got into this reality...? Brainwashed comes to mind...! has this reality been manufactured? well of course it has, we all know that...listen, I know it's difficult to even think of what it will be like, let alone hold an image...

So the point I was trying to make is... why exchange one brainwashed reality that has been autu-suggested to you for another brainwashed reality that has also been auto-suggested to you but by someone else?

Wny not create your own reality from your own visions?

Well, that's my way of doing things anyway. It's taking responsibility for your own life.

The point is Ishtar..yes this brainwashed reality is crap, an illusion created to serve the greed and selfish ones, I can think of another name for them! but lets be civil...like I said before, I don't buy into any picture that messengers put out there, only the ones that I feel will benefit humanity...who seriously wouldn't want the evil doers arrested and abundance for all ect etc ...

I do create my own reality for myself and my family ... I have been doing this for years and could write a book on the power of thought, however there are many here on this planet who haven't the knowledge to do so, so I try to expand others within my way of thinking...so they can also benefit what I have manifested myself...we have the power and the sooner folk believe that then they will start thinking in a new way...the ptb know this all to well and have manipulated our consciousness to suit themselves...again this is obvious for most folk...

Another problem is we are too few to make a difference...but try we must.

But yes I hear what you are saying...

viking

[Ishtar]

Posted by viking (here)
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I do create my own reality for myself and my family ... I have been doing this for years and could write a book on the power of thought, however there are many here on this planet who haven't the knowledge to do so, so I try to expand others within my way of thinking...so they can also benefit what I have manifested myself...

I know you mean well, Viking, and I know you're a good man.... but when you do that, you disempower people. The road to hell, as they say, is lined with good intentions.

It's something like that old adage "if you give a man a loaf of bread, he'll eat today. But if you give him some seeds and some guidance about agriculture, he'll eat for the rest of his life."

The trouble with trying to help people in the way that you describe is like giving them a loaf of bread. Yes, they'll eat today...but tomorrow, they will need to return to you for another loaf, and so it will go on, because they've been disempowered from creating their own bread.

The way I work is different. I'm like the person who gives the seeds and the guidance about how to grow the wheat and bake it into bread. I train people to find their own benevolent and all-knowing spirit guides within, in the inner dimensions and, in that way, they become incredibly self-empowered and far to full of their own visions to be needing anyone else's.

This is why I said, a few posts back, that you can't be spiritual if you've never met the spirits. It's like saying you're American because you watch Hollywood movies but have never set foot in America.

I know that the shamanic way of self-empowerment is a new idea for many of this forum, and I totally understand if you it difficult to comprehend. But I'm always happy to explain it further by PM (as I don't want to take this thread off topic) so please free to ask me to clarify further, if you'd like that ... and that goes for everybody.

Namaste.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by viking (here)
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I do create my own reality for myself and my family ... I have been doing this for years and could write a book on the power of thought, however there are many here on this planet who haven't the knowledge to do so, so I try to expand others within my way of thinking...so they can also benefit what I have manifested myself...

I know you mean well, Viking, and I know you're a good man.... but when you do that, you disempower people. The road to hell, as they say, is lined with good intentions.

It's something like that old adage "if you give a man a loaf of bread, he'll eat today. But if you give him some seeds and some guidance about agriculture, he'll eat for the rest of his life."

The trouble with trying to help people in the way that you describe is like giving them a loaf of bread. Yes, they'll eat today...but tomorrow, they will need to return to you for another loaf, and so it will go on, because they've been disempowered from creating their own bread.

The way I work is different. I'm like the person who gives the seeds and the guidance about how to grow the wheat and bake it into bread. I train people to find their own benevolent and all-knowing spirit guides within, in the inner dimensions and, in that way, they become incredibly self-empowered and far to full of their own visions to be needing anyone else's.

This is why I said, a few posts back, that you can't be spiritual if you've never met the spirits. It's like saying you're American because you watch Hollywood movies but have never set foot in America.

I know that the shamanic way of self-empowerment is a new idea for many of this forum, and I totally understand if you it difficult to comprehend. But I'm always happy to explain it further by PM (as I don't want to take this thread off topic) so please free to ask me to clarify further, if you'd like that ... and that goes for everybody.

Namaste.

Hmmmm first of all thank you...

No not really Ishtar ...

If I could give someone the knowledge to create, they won't want to come back for more as they can create for themselves...I am not disempowering, in fact I am empowering...its up to them what they create...they can choose the/a vision or not. Again freewill comes to play.

Thanks for the offer of PM, much appreciated...but I'm fine where I am.

viking

[marique3652]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I was hearing the other day about one of those Doomsday cults in Europe. Some psychologists infilitrated it to find out what was going on. Just like as in the Drake cult, the members kept being given dates for Armegeddon and when these dates passed without incident, they were able to justify it with the idea that they had somehow prevented the Armegeddon happening by their prayers.

It's a kind of cognitive dissonance we also saw when there was no false flag or ET invasion of the Olympics. People said it may have been because the discussions about it, both here and on the wider internet, stopped it from happening.

Ths is why Drake has been able to get away with giving deadline date after date after date after date since the beginning of March, when this circus first hit town, with none of them amounting to anything.

The last failed date happened less than a week ago, when he instructed his followers to pay attention to the Republican Convention because 'there was going to be an important announcement'. Of course, there was no important announcement. But the net effect is that his followers were sucked into that Republican event, just by watching it on television, and were victim to all the Freemasonic imagery that the conference was putting out, and this then made them much easier prey for Drake's instruction that if "The Event" doesn't happen before the election, they should vote for Romney as the lesser of two evils.

So we have gone from a completely fantastical scenario, a few months ago, of the ETs coming to save us and bringing their new technology alongside Drake's new consitutional government and financial system to ...er, voting for a politician that is very much part of the system which Drake's marshalls and ETs were supposedly going to bring down in order to create a Golden Age.

And no-one's batting an eyelash about this... apart from a few posters in this thread. When people are that brainwashed, there's nothing anyone can say that will make any difference to them. They will always have an answer.

I have been away from the site for several months having surgery, dying on the operating table and being revived and a very painful and crisis filled recovery, and was in rehabilitation in a physical therapy facility for a month as the result of a total knee replacement and I cannot believe that this discussion is still ocuring, haha!!!!!

I have to say that I totally agree with you Ishar and all of the people of this site that are not wrapped in the Drake fantasy/reality discussion. That is just my opinion, that he does not seem credible or "real" to me. I think however that we could argue till the cows come home about whether Drake is the real deal or whether there are benevolent aliens that are going to come and "recue us" from ourselves and there will always and forever be a disagreement about these things.

It took me a lot of time to realize that we each have our own "realities" formed by our life experiences, personality and heart feelings, and soul missions and spiritual growth to do, and that there will ALWAYS be a divide between what each persons' "reality" really is....it is futile to try to convince someone that what they perceive is "real" is NOT. It took me almost 60 years and being clinically dead for a bit and many years of living to figure that out (I am a little slow, haha....). But I finally realized that each of our "realities" are just endless possiblities from a far greater field of realities where there are infinite choices for reality, and that we chose our "reality" according to what we need to experience in our lives. I had a very vivid near death experience when my heart stopped beating for nearly a minute while in surgery, and I came back from the "other side" with the knowledge or epithany as I call it that each of us experience what we NEED to for our souls growth, and that we choose our experiences and "truths" or what we perceuive as reality for a reason, for our spiritual growth! WE CHOOSE our own reality! What an epithany that was for me. I always looked at reality as somewhat closed, and that reality was unvariable and could be defined by touch, smell, vision, or any other of our senses or it just was not REAL. But it is not that easy.....So I guess I am going to have to rethink my stance of trying to prove to anyone that what they perceive as being real really isn't! It is the lesson I learned when I separated from my body for that brief period of time. I just wanted to share that with you all as food for thought. What is real for some is utter crap for another, and that is ok because it is the variability of reality that makes us grow, so to argue about what is real and what is not is pretty much a waste of time and counterproductive. I am a very outspoken person who always loved to air my opinions of what is real and what is not, but I have tucked that characteristic away now. No more arguing from me most likely about what is real and what is simply fantasy. I will still say what I think or what I percieve as reality, but I realize that it does mean squat in the scheme of things.....Your reality and mine may be diametrically opposed but our truths are ours alone and so we should not worry so much about the differences we have, just be thankful that we have at our disposal an intinite supply of truths to chose from for our growth.

[Ishtar]

Hi Marique

Welcome back! I'm sorry to hear that you were so ill, although you seem to have also benefitted from the journey through the Veil. As a shaman, I also journey through the Veil quite regularly, and we're taught to do it in such a way so that our hearts don't stop beating, and so we get to come back and share what we've found.

In going beyond the Veil, we do encounter many many different realities in different dimensions, and yes, I absolutely agree that we choose what I call our 'appointments' that we intend to meet here... and we choose them before coming into incarnation. These appointments represent the major landmarks of our life... such as the family we're born into, and then our major relationships and life experiences from there-on. We have chosen these appointments to further our growth as a soul or spiritual entity and sometimes, we have chosen what turn out to be painful experiences, because we learn from those too.

When I was training as a shaman, I journeyed to my 'soul' as it was coming into incarnation, to learn what 'appointments' I'd made for myself. From that, I found that I was on course and I'm following that same course today. It was being able to see that course so clearly that enables me now to stand my ground, quite firmly, when others try to throw me off my path. That's why I'm no follower. I can see my path, and I stick to it. There's no point in doing otherwise.

Anyway, nice to see you back... ! Take care! We'd like to keep you around in this reality for quite a bit longer!

[Kimberley]

Marique

Yes welcome back and thank you for sharing your reality with us! I love and agree with what you wrote here...

WE CHOOSE our own reality! What an epithany that was for me. I always looked at reality as somewhat closed, and that reality was unvariable and could be defined by touch, smell, vision, or any other of our senses or it just was not REAL. But it is not that easy.....So I guess I am going to have to rethink my stance of trying to prove to anyone that what they perceive as being real really isn't! It is the lesson I learned when I separated from my body for that brief period of time. I just wanted to share that with you all as food for thought. What is real for some is utter crap for another, and that is ok because it is the variability of reality that makes us grow, so to argue about what is real and what is not is pretty much a waste of time and counterproductive. I am a very outspoken person who always loved to air my opinions of what is real and what is not, but I have tucked that characteristic away now. No more arguing from me most likely about what is real and what is simply fantasy. I will still say what I think or what I percieve as reality, but I realize that it does mean squat in the scheme of things.....Your reality and mine may be diametrically opposed but our truths are ours alone and so we should not worry so much about the differences we have, just be thankful that we have at our disposal an intinite supply of truths to chose from for our growth.

Again thank you and much love to us all!!

[nurgle]

I feel like this thread is pretty negative. It might have been a good thing in the beginning, but of what I have read from it, it seems to set up members to be ridiculed or mislead. This thread seems to have become the perfect divide and conquer, dis-info thing that people on this site always warn about. I simply think this monster should be locked up and let sink into the deep depths of Avalon.

-be safe all

[gripreaper]

DRAKE UPDATE ON KEENAN !!!!!!!!

Excerpts:

Soon after this I received a call from Wagoner, Scott and Winston Shrout, all complaining about Keenan. Wagoner told me Keenan was ruining his reputation and was cursing about it. Scott voiced the same opinion as Wagoner, stating Keenan was nothing and causing problems. Although Winston agreed, he expressed his objections much better and held a civil tongue.

Wait a minute, I thought Keenan was one of the god guys and his lawsuit, according to David Wilcock, was the "LAWSUIT TO END ALL LAWSUITS" ???

This leaves the C & D (cease and desist) issued by Edy Seno to Neil Keenan. Seno, the head of the Soekarno Trust, was in the hospital and no one could see him. Wagoner called Soon’s right hand man Chee who is very close to someone Wagoner knows asking for Jack’s (Indian) number, calls Jack and tells him that he had spoken to Nelu, and got the number from Nelu. Wagoner tells Jack that Neil Keenan can’t help anymore so they need to get Keenan off the C & D immediately. Peter Wagoner had not spoken to Nelu, Nelu did not approve anything, and Jack and Wagoner went to the hospital together and got Seno to sign the C & D. To this day Seno is confused as to what happened. Peter Wagoner, Keith Scott, and Abe thought they had won when they got the C & D but underestimated Neil Keenan. I was told to do my due diligence, I am doing that and then some.

Oh, so Scott thinks Keenan is trying to double cross him as Wagoner did not send documents, due to an aberration and cognitive dissonance in the algorithms, and there is no alliance with any subjective integers which can be relative to the ominous signatories who are vested within the obfuscations delegated within the framework of the interested parties? Makes perfect sense!

I spoke with the president of a large organization who willingly discussed the Keith Scott situation with me, telling me that while Keenan was trying to complete a deal, Keith was trying to do a secondary deal behind Keenan’s back. Keenan knew he was doing this, warned the principle, and sure enough Scott’s people screwed that deal up as well. That was an O.I.T.C. guy named Ron Ferguson, and I heard that Scott and Ferguson have no idea how to handle a transaction. At the same time Keenan had to return home and Scott took over the Singaporean Dollar deal, immediately going after Keenan’s position in this. He tried hard to move Keenan out but the BIS closed Scott, Abe and their Amanah down. They tried working things out without the foundation/organizations approval and were shut down. As Scott said, they had nothing.

Sure am glad Drake is on top of it and can get us the "rest of the story" Like Paul Harvey used to do!! Scott is in cahoots with Keenan ?, who was vetted by David Wilcock ?, who is doing the best paperwork on the planet to stop the cabal ?, and Wagoner and Sun Hung Moon and the Asian alliance and the old money make a deal and the deal got screwed up and no one knows who is on who's side anymore ?, except Drake knows of course.

I hope this clears the air and explains the things few others know about.
~ Drake

It's so much easier to understand now!!!

http://americannationalmilitia.com/t...-of-the-story/

[gooty64]

I respectfully disagree Nurgle. The historical value of this thread is priceless.
A lot is divulged on this thread that archaelogists, psychologists, numerologists, proctologists, librarians and morticians can study -later.

Posted by nurgle (here)
I feel like this thread is pretty negative. It might have been a good thing in the beginning, but of what I have read from it, it seems to set up members to be ridiculed or mislead. This thread seems to have become the perfect divide and conquer, dis-info thing that people on this site always warn about. I simply think this monster should be locked up and let sink into the deep depths of Avalon.

-be safe all

[marique3652]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Hi Marique

Welcome back! I'm sorry to hear that you were so ill, although you seem to have also benefitted from the journey through the Veil. As a shaman, I also journey through the Veil quite regularly, and we're taught to do it in such a way so that our hearts don't stop beating, and so we get to come back and share what we've found.

In going beyond the Veil, we do encounter many many different realities in different dimensions, and yes, I absolutely agree that we choose what I call our 'appointments' that we intend to meet here... and we choose them before coming into incarnation. These appointments represent the major landmarks of our life... such as the family we're born into, and then our major relationships and life experiences from there-on. We have chosen these appointments to further our growth as a soul or spiritual entity and sometimes, we have chosen what turn out to be painful experiences, because we learn from those too.

When I was training as a shaman, I journeyed to my 'soul' as it was coming into incarnation, to learn what 'appointments' I'd made for myself. From that, I found that I was on course and I'm following that same course today. It was being able to see that course so clearly that enables me now to stand my ground, quite firmly, when others try to throw me off my path. That's why I'm no follower. I can see my path, and I stick to it. There's no point in doing otherwise.

Anyway, nice to see you back... ! Take care! We'd like to keep you around in this reality for quite a bit longer!

Thank you for welcoming me back Ishtar, it is good to be back in the saddle again. I am so glad that someone understood what I was conveying. I truly feel that we chose our "life play" as I call it in advance and this incarnation I have said to myself frequenly, "what to heck was I thinking!" Life has been a very long and arduous journey full of so much pain and losses for me, but I realize I chose this so I hang in because I obviously have a lot of things I want to experience and need buckets full of learning, lol. I have had 3 NDEs and kept getting sent back every time, so I guess that there is still a lot I have to do. I think it is wonderful that shamans can get to where I go when I have my NDEs without so much stress on the body as nearly dying...but I am thankful I have had my own journeys there because each time I come back is like a huge epithany with things I never realized before...and ah the joy of being separated from my crummy body is a joy I cannot even describe, haha. Well back to the discussion here, I have a lot of catching up to do. I love hearing how everyone feels and thinks...it is so wonderful all this sharing...

[marique3652]

Thank you Kimberly, it feels good that someone noticed I was gone. I missed the sharing here, it is something I enjoy. I really like this community because it is lively and never dull and the members here are so intersting...and I love thinking about the responses and asking myself how I feel about the topic. I am really growing to know myself by getting to know others...Can't go wrong with that.

[Ishtar]

Posted by nurgle (here)
I feel like this thread is pretty negative. It might have been a good thing in the beginning, but of what I have read from it, it seems to set up members to be ridiculed or mislead. This thread seems to have become the perfect divide and conquer, dis-info thing that people on this site always warn about. I simply think this monster should be locked up and let sink into the deep depths of Avalon.

-be safe all

I find it amusing that from time to time, a person who never or rarely contributes to this thread turns up to tell us how bad it is and that we should shut it down.

There's one simple answer to that ... if you don't like this thread, and don't feel you would benefit from it, you don't have to read it. There are possibly hundreds of threads on here that I wouldn't be interested in taking part in, but I don't just rock up in them and tell everyone to stop talking.

I like what gooty says:

Posted by gooty64 (here)
The historical value of this thread is priceless. A lot is divulged on this thread that archaelogists, psychologists, numerologists, proctologists, librarians and morticians can study -later.

...especially the bit about the proctologists!