David Icke: do you trust him or not?

[Chester]

We are all here in this realm appearing as individuals. An individual must live in relationship with everything external to themselves. I used to think the wise man was also the holy man who lived external to everything we find going on in day to day life.

I measure an individual (if I choose to descend into that game) on how they live in relationship to everything external to them. Those who plunge head first into the deep end of life... those are the examples I find are the most inspiring, those are the ones who at the end of the day will know they in fact embraced life and feared none of the consequences of taking the risk of life.

[mosquito]

Posted by fathertedsmate (here)
my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge...

You appear to be making a common mistake - assuming that a (60+ year old) man who has a less than perfect body is therefore spiritually not upto scratch. Naive is a polite word for your view.

FWI, I'm an experienced practitioner and student of alternative forms of medicine and have never in 20 years encountered anyone who's managed to REVERSE rheumatoid arthritis. If you have, or know anyone who has, please feel free to share with us.

Listen to the man rather than looking at his hands

[Patrish]

I trust him.

[Nerge]

For what it's worth, I feel that David is a great inspiration and is excellent at putting that crack in people's view of 'the Matrix' we're currently so focused on. He helps to connect the dots and allow people to see things from another perspective - he deserves much credit for all he's done and endured, many wouldn't be able to handle it, not even close.

Now I've read a couple of David's most recent books; I discovered them fairly late on, but nether the less I found them to be excellent and very throught provoking. While I'd already come across much of what he covers in those books from other sources - and from my own intuition - it was still a very useful read.

For those completely new to many of the topics covered in this forum, David's material is especially useful and serves as a great wake up call and catalyst for setting people on their way to do their own homework and form their own opinions.

I'm pretty sure David wouldn't want a bunch of mindless parrots repeating what he says and taking on his own perspective; as he mentions this in his books, it's his perspective he's giving and as such he admits he wont be accurate about everything but it's his best shot and what he feels and has put together over the years.

Much of what he talks about is to get people off their knees (as the book slogan mentions), realise their true potential, wake them up to what's going on and get them motivated to do something about it.

Now I'm not sure I agree with David's take on everything he mentions, but one thing is for sure, I'm sure glad we have people like David out there doing their best to help.

[72MAV27]

His book the biggest secret changed my life and pretty much single handedly put me on the path to greater enlightenment. With that said don't focus so much on the person. Try to listen to the information. There are plenty of "bad" people who give good info and "good" people who give bad info. It's hard to determine people's true intentions if you have never actually met them.

But in my humble opinion I think he is a pretty strait shooter and I think he really believes what he preaches. I don't think he is out to manipulate, confuse or lie to people.

But I do think there is something odd about him that he doesn't speak about. Maybe he is one of the reptilians he talks about! You never know. It's a crazy world!

[ljwheat]

David Icke is to the organized alterative community -- what Billy Grahm is to the organized religious groups.

The arena’s they fill are getting closer as Icke finds a greater audience. Like Grahm he’s gaining momentum now.

On a deep spiritual level, what is a human, a tightly packed Orb of spiritual energy. Complete in every conceivable way.

Needing no, external energy to exist. No organized religion alterative or other wise.

Looking at Icke, or Grahm, Pope, or Justin Beaver, Michel Jackson, Martin Luther King. The last two of many who paid the price of touching on spiritual truths to closely.

This begs the question what are these icons keeping your intention on, and away from the inner Orb of light and wisdom.

Sure there all right and have a lot of inside knowledge to tantalize even the skeptic’s holding the physical attention on the physical problems.

Never going near the OK ness of the spiritual well being, hidden by keeping the intention on the outside world around us.

A net as it were to catch all that fall into it. The stickyness of the web, is the chorizema, secrets, knowledge, rightness of the outside cause of the world and its needs, hunger, war, desires, poisons, sin, redemption, none of witch have anything to do with looking at the Orb of spiritual energy that we entered this world with. Higher self and self empowerment and to know nothing in this world can or has touched this thing called you.

The key note here is its about everything but you, YOU is left out unless they need you to do something, but its never looking in. You must look at Christ, Jesus or the reptilians, illuminati. Icke, Jones, Wilcock, the sticky of the web that hold your attention.

Michel had it right the man in the mirror. Instead of watching any one on TV, U-Tube, Internet. Go to your bath room and gaze at the one who came to this planet in the first place, gaze into the eye’s of the soul see or attempt to see this Orb of spiritual energy who you are. And ask the hard questions of the higher self that is who you are and can trust, not this outside trust we are asked do we or don’t we believe.

The answer’s were never out here, you brought them with you -- self empowerment and higher self is what the outside world is trying to keep you from doing, if you think you have to do anything. Know nothing can touch that orb of spirit you are. --- nothing. Its how we come and go, everything else is tripe. Physical. Distractions.

Trust nothing outside of your bath room mirror and the one looking in it is your higher self. Mirror gazing look at what the world has hidden from you. YOU. !

[Cartomancer]

Posted by davewhite04 (here)

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I Trust him. I don't buy everything he says and I don't think that matters. If anyone researches any subject matter they are going to come up with some things certain people won't buy. That never stops me from appreciating what someone has to say. He is a voice of freedom loving people everywhere. He is a gifted speaker and has the personality get his point across. I don't begrudge the fact that he gets paid for what he does. Doing his thing takes a vast amount of time and planning, travel etc. You can't do that with no money.

David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, and Freeman helped me to understand occult symbology and methods. This alone will open your eyes eventually to what is going on. From there on its up to you.

I don't begrudge him making a living, everyone has to. But what message is he sending out when he advertises a guy who can make you rich when a bank crisis happens in 2012? Maybe it is just me, but it made me create a thread to see what others thought.

I see your point. That type of ad doesn't seem to jive with his message. I see some of the same type of ads over on the Alex Jones Channel and others. Maybe they should show a little more discernment in the type of ads that they show on their sites. I do see an attitude by some that it is not cool to make money off of alternative info. I give away most of the research I do for free but still catch flak from some for even having a book for sale. I do not post any advertising on my youtube channel or blog beyond my Zazzle panel or book sales. The Journal I publish has no ads either and will not in the future. No matter what you do there are people who aren't going to like it. Check out the other two I mentioned above. Jordan Maxwell deserves to be making the kind of money David Icke does. Freeman makes his way mostly by donations though he does sell DVD's and things like that. At least if they are selling a product they produced it o.k. to me.

[fathertedsmate]

my Naive veiw, comes from reversing, athritis,asthma,fibromyalgia,tinnitus,anxiety,stress,depression,ptsd,combat stress,and many more, this was done by removing heavy metals,chemicals, then discovering parasites,pathogens,yeast,fungus,mould,viruses, so they have/are being removed,this process reduced all excess body weight, ankles,knees,hips smooth and running free,hands that were buckled and twisted now straight,eyes that required glasses for 30 yrs, no longer require them, a memory that was disintegrated can now play any part of my past in full blown 3d colour
i did listen to the man, he helped me work things out,but not in a way you would understand, if someone is going to tell me how i work they need to be a perfect example,
no one said anything about being spiritually up to scratch, what i will say is when the cell structure is depleted, energy cannot flow, ps this 54 yr old will be fitter and healthier at 55 than he was at 25
i have no experience was educated by 2 creature that would fail an IQ test to gain entry into a trailor park ,was conditioned for 22 yrs in the military,spent 10 yrs in the hands of psyciatrists,
tried suicide on completion of plumbing cse,went to prison,eventually hiding in a bedroom for 2 yrs,
when i worked out the causes and provided evidence the system that has been created to deal with ptsd etc closed down around me then discharged me over the phone,
i can break my entire life from 5yrs old into 2,3,and 4 yr segments, and by observing behaviour and feelings created when looking at any incident, i can work out what combinations were present, what minerals were difficient, how acidic my body was,
as a plumber and heating engineer,i can visualise and follow electricity through each and every component in a boiler,understand how voltage is stepped up and down,how it changes from ac to dc, follow the gas being converted into energy and the process that takes place,what happens to the water and pipes as chemical reactions take place,how water turns to soup,how the pipes become thinner,effecting the flow and volume, which makes the process of converting fuel to energy inneficient, when the flow of energy is disrupted the machine stops, the body cannot do that it has to use whats avaliable, what happens then is what put me in the condition i was,
now every morning i plug into the matrix for 3/4 hrs, this is only happening because the sources and caused have been removed enough to allow the electrical circuits to be reconected(that alone took 18 months of practice and exploded into life only after removing a bin bag worth of calcium/plaque/kidney gall stones) also blew open the pineal gland,
i was broken into pieces physically and emotionaly,was controlled by,anger,hate,frustration,fear,tension,anxiety, speach was deliverd at 1000mph and made no sense,
i have had to watch everything i ever worked for disapear,every person i ever knew walk away including family, my children lost their father when needed the most my wife lost a husband and became a carer, it was like a self destruct button had been triggerd and i deliberatly set out to destroy everyone around me,now i know why,
if i had the money i would have looked outwards for help,if that happend i would not be in the position i am in now,
niave is the last thing i am,they were just questions, those questions triggerd the thought which created chemicals which were manifested in feelings/frequency,which will become visible through behaviour,reactions,actions etc, (which produced negative energy in your case mariposafe, dont ask me how,i dont know i just feel)at no time has any of the above been planned,my explanations come from reverse engineering after the event then joining the dots,what has been planned was removal of heavy metals,
its got nothing to do with a less than perfect body, its all got to do with why its in that condition,,now look at parasites from the inside instead of the outside,now you think you are clever until dealing with those babys, they are sitting inside playing with the electrical system the same way a child does with a playstation joy stick, only they are on speed,

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by fathertedsmate (here)
my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,

Wow -- what an ignorant post!

if someone is going to tell me how i work they need to be a perfect example,

So I guess you shouldn't read anything about astrophysics written by Steven Hawking. Or even listen to anything I say -- as I still have a slight stammer which affects me sometimes.

I confess to being "an imperfect example". And I imagine everyone on the forum is as well, including yourself. This does not disqualify us from teaching, learning, and traveling this journey together.

[Dr. Al]

I've seen David speak in person twice.
I've read most of his books.
I believe he speaks the truth to the best of his very well researched knowledge.
And with reference to making money: we still live in a world that requires it; he has been attacked on many fronts which has cost him a near fortune to defend; and as Bill Ryan already said, he does not live extravagantly...although that would in no way discredit him. Anyone working to enlighten others about TRUTH will face many difficulties. My hat is off to him and I hope we can all support him as he forges ahead on behalf of mankind!

[Eram]

Posted by mariposafe (here)
FWI, I'm an experienced practitioner and student of alternative forms of medicine and have never in 20 years encountered anyone who's managed to REVERSE rheumatoid arthritis. If you have or know anyone who has, please feel free to share with us.

Hmmm... that is quite dream shattering to read Mariposafe.
Maybe I will be the first then?


Sorry, can't seem to stay on topic in this thread.

What where we discussing?
ah David Icke.

Well, I think he's one of the early days knights in the alternative media and he has earned his spores, double time.
Not that I listen to him without discernment, like I try to do with everyone.

Wonderful man and we ow him our deepest respect for taking the heat of ridicule and laughter that he did, to tell his truth nonetheless.

[pugwash84]

I am also far from being perfect, we all are but I believe imperfections are what make us human and beautiful.
David Icke took a huge step when he first did this and people mocked and laughed at him. I doubt it was money on his mind that made him push forward and keep going.
There have been a few Youtube videos to try discredit him but the proof I have seen so far has been tosh!
I have seen no reason not to believe him and I think anyone working hard to discredit someone working hard to get the truth out probably has an agenda themselves.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by fathertedsmate (here)
my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,

Wow -- what an ignorant post!

If you read fathertedsmate's more recent post, made just a couple minutes before your post, things might make more sense.

Perhaps fathertedsmate was making a rather common mistake when speaking of David Icke ... namely figuring that Icke's circumstances, strengths and story resemble his own, fathertedsmate's, in some critical ways.

When fathertedsmate speaks of himself rather than of Icke, he makes more sense (to my reading.)

[Limor Wolf]

If it is o.k to recycle the David Icke, "is he a trustable person?" question that pops every once in a while, then I hope it is o.k to post a recycled answer :

My personal believe is that David Icke is one of the most advanced incarnated souls, I am very greateful for all the important work he is doing.

David Icke is a fine man and his name can be put under the definition of 'warrior' in the dictionary. I would even put him under 'A true warrior'. he has done SO MUCH over the years, waking people up, exposing plenty of corruptions including that of Holy greig, the abuse of so many children by the elite, he fought against children taken by police and social services from a perfectly good homes, he has a sharp understanding of how our mind and consciousness really works down to the smallest detail, and he can explain it in such an articulate way using linear words. I believe from all the above and more that that is one hell of a success!

Over the years he did not give in even once although being attacked from many directions, he is a very honest man who walks his talk, he not only speaks about love and unity but constantly promotes this very important understanding through his interviews, videos and by being who he is.

All the while he is coping with the Arthritis disease wich he hardly talks about.
David is absolutly walking his talk and fulfilling his calling this time around. We ought to be extremely thankful that we have such a man on our side. I truly admire him.

[Mark]

I have to admit I paid David Icke absolutely no serious attention until approximately 2 years ago. I always look in the New Age book sections in the big chain bookstores and have been seeing his books there for years. Picked one or two up, read the back, then put them right back down. Even though the topics he wrote about were exactly the kinds of things I was interested in.

Because he had nation-wide distribution in big chain bookstores, I automatically discounted him as a disinfoagent.

Then, two years ago, I remember doing a search in google for Africa and reptilians. One of my personal pet peeves in the consciousness movement is the almost total absence of traditional African wisdom spanning many thousands of years in the conversation. So I was searching for someone, anyone, who may have made some inroads in alleviating this discrepency.

And there was Credo Mutwah. With him, a much younger David Icke, obviously respectful, obviously grateful and obviously caring about this African Shaman of such self-deprecating manner. I watched the full 4 hours of Credos tale and realized how much of Ickes authenticity comes not only from his research but also from the corroboration of ancient systems of Shamanism. From Reptilians to Greys to the Moon.

Ickes bonafides are clearly established for me.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by fathertedsmate (here)
my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,

I find it difficult, also, to understand why some people who do have such great knowledge do not particpate in their own physical healing. It is not hard to see the disease that travels through their bodies when you are skilled at looking and one can wonder how this affects them overall... BUT.... I have come to learn that there are souls here who bear the burden of many physical disorders yet their soul life is profound and still powerful and they have little interest for the material of their body and devote little energy to maintaining it as others think that perhaps they would do well to do.

Some have come with a different agenda and use their body only as a tool to get the task done and they will maintain the stamina to get the task done regardless of how things appear. That is where their focus and intent resides. We all have different works to do here. It is best to just let people be who they are and accept them in their totality... the good with the bad, their perfection with their imperfection. I am reminded of some very great and gifted spritual teachers that have died of cancer.

[seantimberwolf]

Yes, implicitly.
Is the short answer, I'm going to see him on October the 27th.
Am i mad about paying £60 for a show that is 12 hours long, and will be a mass gathering of like minds.
HELL no, why?
Because i believe the man is spreading a message, why does it matter if he gets paid. we all have to earn a living and David is able to market what he does.
That just makes him the same as everyone else, why try to make him sound like a criminal for earning a living!!
but i have always resonated with every word he says, and you know what, the man is passionate.
He gets into it, and he cares! how many new agers have come along with that "holier than thou" attitude and tried to sell us the BS about being from another planet and here to help us through a crystalline transmission- LMAO and David is in the wrong !! ha ha

I would love to meet him and speak to him, get him to sign my book, and walk away being able to say
"i met the man who helped to open my mind"
Because David was the doorman at Hotel Di Truth for me!

[Cidersomerset]

I posted this thread a week or so ago as a reminder of what is going on today !!

David is a ordinary guy like you and me who woke up earlier than most publicly
and is trying to wake up the 'sheeple' ...There is still relatively a few of us i would
say fully awake, but thanks to people like David many more are waking up !!

David Icke - The EU Dictatorship - Never Was Meant To Be a 'Democracy' - 22 Oct 2009



David explained the EU , Rothchild, Zionist agenda a couple of years ago,
on Red Ice its probably been posted before although did not come up
on check....I just watched it again so thought it worth a refresher !!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zFmqsUuNlfo

[fathertedsmate]

ignorant Bill, you of all people should be able to understand where i am coming from, i was taken to David Icke a few yrs ago because my son was calling me by his name, this was because no one could understand where i was coming from,the answers i needed were the difference between life and death, every avenue for help had been exausted,it was avaliable whilst accepting PTSD. the question asked was why,the answers are all to do with emotions feelings,
example, sinuses closed for yrs,clear flem constant,constant cough every morning,mouth breathing only,breathing stopping during night,roof of mouth itchy/ulsers 10 yrs to get into that condition,asthma diagnosed,
on getting possitive proof of mercury/lead etc, then analysing changes that occured after cleaning out every internal organ/gi tract/intestines etc,went about removing metals, sinuses cleared,breathing sorted,
my diagnoses, my lungs were under attack 24/7 from mercury,silver,palladium and 9 others caused by 6 gold plates containing 7 different toxic metals being added to a mouth with 4 amalgam fillings which created a constant chemical reaction, the liver was working 24/7 as was every other organ fighting to operate at a sustainable level, the imune system was closing down my sinuses to protect me from the amount of aluminium and barium that was constantly being added to the mix,flem was produced to coat the toxins,lungs were operating like a hoover bag that was full, oxygen was not getting into the blood,which was like soup,the brain required energy there was none,residual oxygenated stress was taking place,the cells were depleted electrical circuits closed/destroyed,metals had ensured the imune system was functioning 24/7, , the blood ph was permenantly acidic, calcium was being removed from bone structure to balance blood(snapped ankle for no reason) ph,then distributed throughout the joint and muscle structure creating another toxic metal that then links to others a situation the body has tried to avoid, this is asylum territory

whilst you mention Steven Hawkins, clean out his internal organs,remove yeast,fungus,mould, get the blood alkaline then watch the information flow.

i just wanted to know why someone who has all this knowledge doesnt apply it to self, nothing personal not meant to be offensive in anyway shape or form,

[Limor Wolf]

Hello Fathertedsmate, I feel for you. It must be difficult to deal with the pains of the body when no one really understands how it feels. all those toxins, lungs blockage, throat aches. I do hear you... The pain is not yet over if you ask me since an emotional pain is still felt from you. One needs decency and quite a lot of empathy to understand what another might be going through, by your own remarks on David Icke and the one above on Bill Ryan, it is a little surprising that someone with your own experience not fully understanding another's pains. Please don't take it as criticism but know this :

Much more is lying on David Icke's shoulders than meets the eye. This man is a living defense shield as well as an informer and a messanger, his life is at risk. this is why it feels a little strange when people are relating to his outer appearence and to his state of health. let me quote you in your own words - you of all people should be able to understand where he is coming from.

Be well!

Limor