Page 7 of 12 FirstFirst 1 7 12 LastLast
Results 121 to 140 of 228

Thread: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

  1. Link to Post #121
    Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    22nd November 2010
    Age
    52
    Posts
    67
    Thanks
    33
    Thanked 163 times in 51 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

    When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.
    Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.
    I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.

  2. Link to Post #122
    United States Avalon Member Chester's Avatar
    Join Date
    15th December 2011
    Location
    into my third life within this one
    Language
    English
    Age
    69
    Posts
    6,073
    Thanks
    34,014
    Thanked 33,322 times in 5,699 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

    When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.
    Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.
    I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.
    a.) you do not have to buy anything you do not want to buy but perhaps that hasn't been discovered

    b.) just because someone's website uses third parties to market through their site from which the site might earn additional revenues so that perhaps they can continue to afford to make available to the public the content from which they are otherwise not receiving any revenue does not negate the value of their content - wake up to the reality of owning, managing and paying for a website. If you knew how little additional income these types of advertisements provide, you might stop painting your picture which you are likely intelligent enough to understand you are painting.

    c.) the continuous posts of the same nature smack of trolling and suggest you may have an agenda either on your own or perhaps prompted by other parties.

    d.) what do you do to assist in the awakening of humanity?

    e.) if I were the site owner or administrator at Avalon, I would consider additional measures at this point (but this is not my site).

    justone

  3. The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Chester For This Post:

    Daughter of Time (29th September 2012), Earth Angel (27th September 2012), Finefeather (27th September 2012), GaelVictor (27th September 2012), Gardener (27th September 2012), ginnyk (27th September 2012), Hervé (27th September 2012), RunningDeer (27th September 2012), ThePythonicCow (27th September 2012), therinkydinktink (27th September 2012), ulli (27th September 2012)

  4. Link to Post #123
    Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    7th December 2010
    Location
    Blaine, Tennessee
    Age
    60
    Posts
    3,386
    Thanks
    21,152
    Thanked 26,963 times in 3,187 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

    When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.
    Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.
    I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.
    And you've heard them Dave, why not give er a rest and think about it. This thread has veered far indeed from it's apparent original purpose.

    What is the purpose now come to think of it? Is Credo Mutwa next?

  5. Link to Post #124
    United States Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    4th February 2011
    Posts
    1,034
    Thanks
    8,367
    Thanked 10,055 times in 1,024 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Each individual chooses if they resonate with a particular truth or falsehood. There is no black and white unless you deem it so. For any data or piece of information, it is the individual's choice to decide whether or not it is beneficial or detrimental. Make up your own mind. Don't rely on other's to find your truth for you. It has been stated before on the forum, probably in various threads, if you don't control your mind, someone else will. Also, as stated in the Principia Discordia, the answer is neither A or B; it is most likely C.

    :edit: though off topic, that last statement applies to the upcoming US election as well.
    Last edited by Playdo of Ataraxas; 27th September 2012 at 01:49.

  6. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Playdo of Ataraxas For This Post:

    Caren (27th September 2012), Carmody (27th September 2012), Finefeather (27th September 2012), RunningDeer (27th September 2012), ulli (27th September 2012)

  7. Link to Post #125
    Avalon Member
    Join Date
    10th April 2012
    Posts
    444
    Thanks
    10,444
    Thanked 4,025 times in 444 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

    When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.
    Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.
    I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.
    And you've heard them Dave, why not give er a rest and think about it. This thread has veered far indeed from it's apparent original purpose.

    What is the purpose now come to think of it? Is Credo Mutwa next?
    I do enjoy your posts Fred

  8. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Melinda For This Post:

    Buck (27th September 2012), Caren (27th September 2012), Finefeather (27th September 2012), RunningDeer (27th September 2012)

  9. Link to Post #126
    United States Administrator ThePythonicCow's Avatar
    Join Date
    4th January 2011
    Location
    North Texas
    Language
    English
    Age
    78
    Posts
    31,162
    Thanks
    38,779
    Thanked 156,756 times in 23,996 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.
    When asking a question with the intention of learning something for one's self, one need only ask enough to learn the answer.

    When asking a question with the intention of sowing seeds of doubt in others, one might want to ask again and again, hoping to sow as many seeds as possible.

    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    the continuous posts of the same nature smack of trolling and suggest you may have an agenda either on your own or perhaps prompted by other parties.
    Yeah - the word "trolling" comes to my mind as well.
    My quite dormant website: pauljackson.us

  10. The Following 14 Users Say Thank You to ThePythonicCow For This Post:

    AriG (27th September 2012), Bill Ryan (27th September 2012), Buck (27th September 2012), Chester (27th September 2012), Daughter of Time (29th September 2012), Earth Angel (27th September 2012), Finefeather (27th September 2012), GaelVictor (27th September 2012), Gardener (27th September 2012), ginnyk (27th September 2012), Heart-2-Heart (27th September 2012), Hervé (27th September 2012), modwiz (27th September 2012), RunningDeer (27th September 2012)

  11. Link to Post #127
    United States Avalon Member gripreaper's Avatar
    Join Date
    2nd January 2011
    Posts
    3,979
    Thanks
    9,625
    Thanked 29,702 times in 3,744 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    Just from my memory, Bill was courageous enough to share an even more personal reason behind his issue with speech, that it stemmed from a past life experience, etc. What Bill is an example of in this regard is how one can carry through from a past life an issue which manifests in a later life which then provides the individual the opportunity to achieve a lesson. Not that a physical manifestation would be instantly and completely overcome, but at the other (and perhaps more central) levels of our being, especially at the soul level, a great deal of progress can be achieved. I appreciated when I read Bill's sharing of this personal information as it was an inspiration to me to work on my own as well as to seek getting in touch with my past life experiences in this regard.

    If there is anything to all this, this further supports Finefeather's view in that we experience multiple lifetimes in a process of individual spiritual evolution. What I have found through my own experience that has been kick started by those like Bill and Finefeather who have shared their own personal experiences is that I have been able to achieve (and this comes to me from others) a relatively rapid personal spiritual awakening. To me this is what Avalon is all about.

    And because of the subject of this thread, I cannot imagine a braver individual alive on earth today than David Icke. Just go back and watch some of the videos of David in the early 90s. Incredible IMO and why more than anyone on earth he has been my greatest personal inspiration source.
    Bingo. We have a winner. How can anyone know what the combined experience of thousands of lifetimes of another souls path, can be? I'm sure heavy metals might have something to do with arthritis, but what if it is a manifestation which David has chosen on a soul level, due to an energetic imprint from hundreds of lifetimes?

    Send David an e-mail and give him some links to the best detox you know, and leave it at that.
    "Lay Down Your Truth and Check Your Weapons
    The Next Voice You Hear Will Be Your OWN"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhS69C1tr0w

  12. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to gripreaper For This Post:

    Bill Ryan (27th September 2012), Chester (27th September 2012), Daughter of Time (29th September 2012), Finefeather (27th September 2012), Heart-2-Heart (27th September 2012), Hervé (27th September 2012), Mark (27th September 2012), Reinhard (27th September 2012), therinkydinktink (27th September 2012), Ultima Thule (27th September 2012)

  13. Link to Post #128
    United States Avalon Member truth4me's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th May 2010
    Location
    Northeast corner of Arkansas
    Age
    66
    Posts
    1,281
    Thanks
    2,698
    Thanked 5,298 times in 1,094 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

    When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.
    Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.
    I agree Bill. If somebody doesn't want to read what David Icke says then why do they go to his site.

  14. The Following User Says Thank You to truth4me For This Post:

    Finefeather (27th September 2012)

  15. Link to Post #129
    Avalon Member Tangri's Avatar
    Join Date
    3rd January 2011
    Location
    Kanata
    Posts
    1,975
    Thanks
    668
    Thanked 5,155 times in 1,395 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by fathertedsmate (here)
    my questions are, why is he still full of mercury, his facial shape tells a story, why is he carrying around a body full of yeast,fungus,mould, etc, his body shape tells that story, why has he not cured the athritis in his hand, all that knowledge, yet the vehicle that allows you to have human experiences, is disintegrating, due to lack of knowledge, nothing personall, its just that i have and still am dealing with the damage mercury etc has done, and whilst on this journey,athritis,yeast,fungus,mould,body shape and facial shape have been/are being put back to normal, no one has or will help, well not in the real world, but there is guidance from somewhere,
    What an unfortunate commons about someones health
    Last edited by Tangri; 27th September 2012 at 03:29.

  16. Link to Post #130
    Avalon Member
    Join Date
    15th October 2010
    Posts
    80
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 193 times in 61 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Do I trust him?
    Yes!
    Have you seen him speak or read his books?
    Yes!
    One time at the Brixton Academy, where he spoke for
    nearly eight hours with a half an hour break, an experience,
    Seeing him pacing the floor boards and speech of passion.
    I feel he's been consistent over the years.

  17. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to treeman For This Post:

    Finefeather (27th September 2012), mahalall (27th September 2012), seantimberwolf (28th September 2012), Ultima Thule (27th September 2012)

  18. Link to Post #131
    South Africa Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    14th May 2012
    Location
    South Africa
    Age
    80
    Posts
    1,124
    Thanks
    5,043
    Thanked 7,474 times in 1,084 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Hi jaybee
    Quote Posted by jaybee (here)
    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    When kundalini is active in a more powerful way than just the normal flow due to evolution, it can cause things like cancers and many other serious illnesses.
    I don't know where you are getting this from but I would think it would be the opposite....that a flow of kundalini ('normal' or otherwise)would help to prevent cancer and serious illness.
    This theory of yours is a common mistake made by many. Kundalini is always the force which has the potential to burn or injure the cell structure and cause cancers as an example. Kundalini is also flowing constantly, it is just impeded in the normal state. What you are talking about, and the 'thing' that prevents cancer and serious illness, is NOT kundalini, it is your ability to control and balance kundalini by your attitude and mental state. This is seen in many people who have cured themselves of cancers by changing their mental attitude. This mental attitude is what causes the blockage in each chakra and what determines the most likely place the cancer, or disease, will manifest in the body. As an example, if you have sexual hangups it will be in the sacral area of your body, a lot of woman get breast cancer and this is the nuturing out of balance heart chakra. This, change in mental attitude, in turn allowes the prana or life force, from the sun, to flow normally, which normalises the tissue and cures the problem, not kundalini. Kundalini is the internal force of evolution whilst prana or life force comes from 'external' sources, like the sun, the air, or food source. Kundalini is a force present in everything that materialises and is the reason for radiation. It is exactly the same thing which causes lightning and it comes from the singularity at the point of physical manifestation of a mineral or object. The human body has it's permanent atom at the base chakra. When we hear of someone achieving nirvana or enlightenment, in the esoteric sense, it means he/she has removed all mental desires/blockages from his/her self and the higher forces can flow freely through the body without harming the body. The ultimate cure is the correct balanced state of your mind, kundalini is the force waiting to flow through you and enlighten/evolve you, and if you are not ready it is the force which causes most of our problems. There is a lot more to this, but that could take a while.
    Kundalini is the source of 'free' energy which is the subject of such controversy today.

    Quote Posted by jaybee (here)
    Quote Diseases like cancers of the breast, gonads, pancreas, kidneys, etc are all a result of energy blockage due to kundalini and many can never be cured for reasons more complicated than orthodox medicine believes right now.
    Kundalini IMO...would be the energy that was getting blocked ...not kundalini being the problem and doing the blocking.
    Yes you are right, I did not word this very well, thank you for correcting me.(will edit my post) I should have added 'and' to the sentence and said:
    "Diseases like cancers of the breast, gonads, pancreas, kidneys, etc are all a result of energy blockage and due to kundalini and many can never be cured for reasons more complicated than orthodox medicine believes right now.

    Love
    Ray
    Last edited by Finefeather; 27th September 2012 at 08:14.

  19. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Finefeather For This Post:

    Akasha (28th September 2012), Chester (28th September 2012), Daughter of Time (29th September 2012), Fred Steeves (27th September 2012), GaelVictor (27th September 2012), jaybee (27th September 2012), meat suit (27th September 2012), RunningDeer (28th September 2012), Wind (28th September 2012)

  20. Link to Post #132
    Scotland Avalon Member
    Join Date
    27th January 2011
    Posts
    140
    Thanks
    60
    Thanked 459 times in 113 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    how dare you take my words and twist them mr ryan, was going to reply in my best west of scotland accent with a F*** you, now i will say thank you the veil slipped slightly, the pupet master sent me these words last night, dance,dance wherever you might be i am the lord of the dance said he,
    i tend to listen to him as he has guided me with real results, my final post farewell all

  21. Link to Post #133
    England Avalon Member therinkydinktink's Avatar
    Join Date
    15th September 2012
    Posts
    55
    Thanks
    111
    Thanked 124 times in 43 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    Quote if someone is going to tell me how i work they need to be a perfect example,
    So I guess you shouldn't read anything about astrophysics written by Steven Hawking. Or even listen to anything I say -- as I still have a slight stammer which affects me sometimes.

    I confess to being "an imperfect example". And I imagine everyone on the forum is as well, including yourself. This does not disqualify us from teaching, learning, and traveling this journey together.
    I'm perfectly modest! (Sorry I'll get my coat!)

    Seems the general consensus (on here anyway and that is where you asked your question) is that yes the majority trust him and have given their reasons for doing so. Like Fred said lets move on.

  22. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to therinkydinktink For This Post:

    Chester (28th September 2012), modwiz (27th September 2012)

  23. Link to Post #134
    South Africa Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    14th May 2012
    Location
    South Africa
    Age
    80
    Posts
    1,124
    Thanks
    5,043
    Thanked 7,474 times in 1,084 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by davewhite04 (here)
    His website has, or had yesterday, an advertisement on how to make a fortune during the 2012 financial crisis... why would you advertise that? where is the love in that? this "well he needs the money from adverts" is nonsense, he sells enough books and shows to need a few quid off an advert.

    When I see obvious scams like that on David Ickes website I question it.
    Please stop banging this empty drum. Your question's been answered quite a number of times, yet you keep repeating the same thing each time you post. One could be forgiven for concluding that you do not want to hear the answers.
    I disagree, I'm not asking one person about their experience, I want to hear a number of them.
    I have never owned a website but I always get the impression that you sell space on your site, not choose the advert.
    This would explain the reason I see different adds in the same place on sites I have visited.
    I have seen many many adverts on sites which seem contradictory to their message.
    Is it not a bit like a billboard?
    If you think people support the adds they have on their site, I think you may be mistaken...
    Just a thought

  24. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Finefeather For This Post:

    Chester (28th September 2012), RunningDeer (28th September 2012), Ultima Thule (27th September 2012)

  25. Link to Post #135
    Costa Rica Avalon Member ulli's Avatar
    Join Date
    19th November 2010
    Posts
    13,866
    Thanks
    67,236
    Thanked 128,136 times in 13,549 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    I have never owned a website but I always get the impression that you sell space on your site, not choose the advert.
    This would explain the reason I see different adds in the same place on sites I have visited.
    I have seen many many adverts on sites which seem contradictory to their message.
    Is it not a bit like a billboard?
    If you think people support the adds they have on their site, I think you may be mistaken...
    Just a thought
    To emphasize Finefeather's point even further:

    I used to play an arcade game called Marbles.
    For years there have been advertisements from a marble company on that site, which other than the name has zero association with marble kitchen counters. Can't help but wonder if this isn't misplaced advertising.
    Go figure.

  26. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to ulli For This Post:

    Chester (28th September 2012), Finefeather (27th September 2012), RunningDeer (28th September 2012)

  27. Link to Post #136
    Australia Avalon Member
    Join Date
    23rd June 2011
    Age
    46
    Posts
    1,252
    Thanks
    272
    Thanked 5,064 times in 1,016 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    wrong post

  28. Link to Post #137
    England Avalon Member therinkydinktink's Avatar
    Join Date
    15th September 2012
    Posts
    55
    Thanks
    111
    Thanked 124 times in 43 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    To emphasize Finefeather's point even further:

    I used to play an arcade game called Marbles.
    For years there have been advertisements from a marble company on that site, which other than the name has zero association with marble kitchen counters. Can't help but wonder if this isn't misplaced advertising.
    Go figure.
    I would suspect it's some kind of word recognition software. I have openly ranted about various TV shows on various forums/websites etc and the next thing I'm getting adverts for these same shows live tours.

    Just a theory.

  29. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to therinkydinktink For This Post:

    Chester (28th September 2012), Finefeather (27th September 2012), RunningDeer (28th September 2012), ulli (27th September 2012)

  30. Link to Post #138
    England Avalon Member DevilPigeon's Avatar
    Join Date
    12th January 2011
    Location
    Warks, UK
    Age
    52
    Posts
    689
    Thanks
    905
    Thanked 2,422 times in 560 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    I have never owned a website but I always get the impression that you sell space on your site, not choose the advert.
    This would explain the reason I see different adds in the same place on sites I have visited.
    I have seen many many adverts on sites which seem contradictory to their message.
    Is it not a bit like a billboard?
    If you think people support the adds they have on their site, I think you may be mistaken...
    Just a thought
    To emphasize Finefeather's point even further:

    I used to play an arcade game called Marbles.
    For years there have been advertisements from a marble company on that site, which other than the name has zero association with marble kitchen counters. Can't help but wonder if this isn't misplaced advertising.
    Go figure.
    To add a further layer to the last 2 posts...

    Any "Google ad" banners added to a website are visitor-specific - they change from visitor to visitor, and are based on the visitor's online-experience with Google (search terms entered through Google, previous Google ad clicks etc)
    "Stop getting Bond wrong!" (Alan Partridge)

  31. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to DevilPigeon For This Post:

    Caren (27th September 2012), Finefeather (27th September 2012), Gardener (27th September 2012), RunningDeer (28th September 2012), therinkydinktink (27th September 2012), ulli (27th September 2012)

  32. Link to Post #139
    UK Avalon Founder Bill Ryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th February 2010
    Location
    Ecuador
    Posts
    40,125
    Thanks
    297,697
    Thanked 530,828 times in 38,665 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Quote Posted by fathertedsmate (here)
    how dare you take my words and twist them mr ryan, was going to reply in my best west of scotland accent with a F*** you, now i will say thank you the veil slipped slightly, the pupet master sent me these words last night, dance,dance wherever you might be i am the lord of the dance said he,
    i tend to listen to him as he has guided me with real results, my final post farewell all
    Dear Friend -- I didn't twist your words. I was pointing out that many great teachers are not (and do not claim to be) perfect people. I'm pretty sure that Gandhi, Mandela, Mother Theresa, MLK, JFK, and even JC would agree. (This may needs a thread in itself!)

    One cannot cite the presence or persistence of body problems to criticize or diminish a person's message. You're confusing the car with the driver -- the body with the spiritual being. The two are different entities.

    Like davewhite04, you don't appear to have been reading or understanding the many intelligent and perceptive replies to your posts. I have a great deal of sympathy and empathy for your own situation and for your own very difficult journey, but the challenging circumstances you have encountered and wrestled with do not constitute any reason to project these issues onto others.

  33. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Bill Ryan For This Post:

    AriG (27th September 2012), Chester (28th September 2012), ExomatrixTV (3rd October 2012), Finefeather (27th September 2012), GaelVictor (27th September 2012), Limor Wolf (30th September 2012), mosquito (29th September 2012), RunningDeer (28th September 2012), ulli (27th September 2012), Wind (28th September 2012)

  34. Link to Post #140
    South Africa Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    14th May 2012
    Location
    South Africa
    Age
    80
    Posts
    1,124
    Thanks
    5,043
    Thanked 7,474 times in 1,084 posts

    Default Re: David Icke: do you trust him or not?

    Paramhansa Yogananda
    On diseases

    Quote The metaphysical method of physical transfer of disease is known to highly advanced yogis. A strong man can assist a weaker one by helping to carry his heavy load; a spiritual superman is able to minimize his disciples' physical or mental burdens by sharing the karma of their past actions. Just as a rich man loses some money when he pays off a large debt for his prodigal son, who is thus saved from dire consequences of his own folly, so a master willingly sacrifices a portion of his bodily wealth to lighten the misery of disciples.
    By a secret method, the yogi unites his mind and astral vehicle with those of a suffering individual; the disease is conveyed, wholly or in part, to the saint's body. Having harvested God on the physical field, a master no longer cares what happens to that material form. Though he may allow it to register a certain disease in order to relieve others, his mind is never affected; he considers himself fortunate in being able to render such aid.
    The devotee who has achieved final salvation in the Lord finds that his body has completely fulfilled its purpose; he can then use it in any way he deems fit. His work in the world is to alleviate the sorrows of mankind, whether through spiritual means or by intellectual counsel or through will power or by the physical transfer of disease. Escaping to the superconsciousness whenever he so desires, a master can remain oblivious of physical suffering; sometimes he chooses to bear bodily pain stoically, as an example to disciples. By putting on the ailments of others, a yogi can satisfy, for them, the karmic law of cause and effect. This law is mechanically or mathematically operative; its workings can be scientifically manipulated by men of divine wisdom.
    The spiritual law does not require a master to become ill whenever he heals another person. Healings ordinarily take place through the saint's knowledge of various methods of instantaneous cure in which no hurt to the spiritual healer is involved. On rare occasions, however, a master who wishes to greatly quicken his disciples' evolution may then voluntarily work out on his own body a large measure of their undesirable karma.
    Jesus signified himself as a ransom for the sins of many. With his divine powers, his body could never have been subjected to death by crucifixion if he had not willingly cooperated with the subtle cosmic law of cause and effect. He thus took on himself the consequences of others' karma, especially that of his disciples. In this manner they were highly purified and made fit to receive the omnipresent consciousness which later descended on them.
    Only a self-realized master can transfer his life force, or convey into his own body the diseases of others. An ordinary man cannot employ this yogic method of cure, nor is it desirable that he should do so; for an unsound physical instrument is a hindrance to God-meditation. The Hindu scriptures teach that the first duty of man is to keep his body in good condition; otherwise his mind is unable to remain fixed in devotional concentration.
    A very strong mind, however, can transcend all physical difficulties and attain to God-realization. Many saints have ignored illness and succeeded in their divine quest. St. Francis of Assisi, severely afflicted with ailments, healed others and even raised the dead.
    Many people imagine that every spiritual master has, or should have, the health and strength of a Sandow. The assumption is unfounded. A sickly body does not indicate that a guru is not in touch with divine powers, any more than lifelong health necessarily indicates an inner illumination. The condition of the physical body, in other words, cannot rightfully be made a test of a master. His distinguishing qualifications must be sought in his own domain, the spiritual.
    Source: http://www.dharma.lt/en.php/interest...nsa-yogananda/

  35. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Finefeather For This Post:

    Caren (27th September 2012), Chester (28th September 2012), Reinhard (27th September 2012), RunningDeer (28th September 2012)

Page 7 of 12 FirstFirst 1 7 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts