Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Chester]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)

I am discovering how everything boils down to a personal decision to be in relationship with others (and all life for that matter) or not. It has become that simple to me now. I either chose to be in relationship with other quantum beings and non-quantum beings... or not.

I found I prefer to not be lonely more than I prefer to rule all material realms. I am glad I discovered this ultimate choice. I am glad I chose to be in relationship with all.

Love to All and Enjoy the Day - justone

Welcome, welcome, welcome. You have come home. Nothing matters, but this decision. Moment by moment.
You don't have to be stuck in either one...life is rhythmic.
Decide on the now that is in front of you, and then decide on your response, keeping in mind the consequences and future responses.
A bit like chess.

This stimulates me to ask - what do we do about those who prefer to have their "space?" Those who choose not to be in relation with others... others who appear to be fellow human beings?

See how I framed the question - it is meant to be "tricky" and so I will take my own bait and answer.

We "do" nothing... we allow them to have their space. Why would one not do that?

ahhhh, now I see what I missed in my question so I must rephrase the question.

What do we do about those who engage other human beings and by so doing, force upon those other human beings their own views which appear to be nothing more than barriers placed for the sole purpose of protecting their space?

See, I have discovered a third type of being here. One that not only isolates, but goes the next step to build walls so great and mighty, they are almost forcing the rest of us to "honor" their desire to have their own, protected space.

It is that type of person I am beginning to see is what we call "confused." On the one hand, they want to be left alone and on the other hand they impose themselves on others that they know the answers (and you don't) and they do this because they are desperately trying to avoid the truth within... the truth that they actually do not want to be alone, but are too afraid to admit the truth to themselves that they are afraid to be alone.

Who am I talking about here?

Myself

I see the game I have been playing with myself and I actually believe I have finally gotten sick of the game once and for all.

Today I choose to be in relationship with others in positive ways for all whom I come in contact.

I will report near the end of the day if I was reasonably successful.

Love to All and have a Great Day. Chester

EDIT: - the two previous posts - Fascinating! thanks Anastasia and Ulli

[ulli]

@ Justoneman

Some relationships function best by interacting via a midpoint...orbiting around a common center of gravity, rather than targeting directly.
This would be less personal and less direct.
Or like putting a plate in front of someone instead of pushing a spoon into their mouths.
The latter would indicate that there is still a dependency...like a child that can't feed itself yet.

[ulli]

Here is the part I added to my earlier post about ET...


Had a call coming in, so there was no time to edit this, nor finish what I wanted to say.
The whole process of going through fear and relief, back and forth between the two, led to to a new discovery.
That whenever I was in a state of fear, the outer conditions of my life worsened, and when I had a sudden spike in consciousness the outer conditions of my life improved.
The discovery of such a relationship between the inner and outer was probably my biggest breakthrough of all, far greater than all the other awakenings I had experienced since 1977.

Since then I think more in terms of what I want to direct my creativity towards...and this took me to a full circle conversation with my maker...the question of 'what is the highest plan? Is it to do with earth being just a soul machine, which spits out the "chaff" to create a biosphere on the moon, (one of Gurdjieff's analogies) and the "wheat" which moves up to the power level of the suns, or is it even more than that?
Which would bring us to John Lash and the Gaia myth, ( which is only slightly different from the Bahai idea of "the earth is but one country, and mankind it's citizens"...)
that we are all cells of her body, and need to find our function within that body.

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)
When reading my last post, one might notice that all efforts to control humanity, all contrivances, ultimately, originate from the edges of human perception and knowing. All effort to maintain control, is centered in that area, the very finely feathered edge-limit of all things human connected. Some understand this, some do not, so I'm mentioning it again, in a different context and way. To me, it is a very important thing to understand, and to use in one's long term and daily analysis of human flow. If not, one is left floundering, not knowing where, how, or when the waves are coming from and thus, never finding the 'way' to gain 'sea legs'. The metaphysical version of the thousand yard stare/look.

When Carmody passes me a ball I like to run with it.
Yesterday it was "bowls", today it is "sea legs".

This cartoon may look like a heavily loaded message, but if perceived with the right attitude may lead the viewer to some decent insights.
Whatever one gleans from it can then give one an idea of one's higher, or lower, self.
Depending on focus and direction.

[Belle]

Good morning! It's a beautiful day on the lake...water sparkling from the sun...crisp, clean chill in the air...trees wearing their best golds, oranges and reds...smells of autumn from fallen leaves. Love it.

Tomorrow they begin work on the causeway...which means adding 5 to 7 miles of additional travel to get around it. Ugh!

Busy, busy, busy lately. Have agreed to take on the work of someone taking time off to have her baby...didn't sound like much at first, but added to my already filled schedule, it's going to be a long 8 weeks. Today has a lot less on the agenda...a good break before running almost straight out for the next few days.

Finding time to travel the forum in between jobs...posting here and there as I'm able...jumping the 'rims of many bowls '(as Carmody speaks of) and peeking inside each one as I pass by. Interesting perspective. Looking outward from the rim? Working on it.

Thinking about justoneman's post on those who build walls around themselves, yet leave a hidden door to poke their head out and impose their 'truth' on others before ducking back in. Hmmmm....


Edit: can't see the cartoon, ulli.

[araucaria]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
When reading my last post, one might notice that all efforts to control humanity, all contrivances, ultimately, originate from the edges of human perception and knowing. All effort to maintain control, is centered in that area, the very finely feathered edge-limit of all things human connected. Some understand this, some do not, so I'm mentioning it again, in a different context and way. To me, it is a very important thing to understand, and to use in one's long term and daily analysis of human flow. If not, one is left floundering, not knowing where, how, or when the waves are coming from and thus, never finding the 'way' to gain 'sea legs'. The metaphysical version of the thousand yard stare/look.

When Carmody passes me a ball I like to run with it.
Yesterday it was "bowls", today it is "sea legs".

This cartoon may look like a heavily loaded message, but if perceived with the right attitude may lead the viewer to some decent insights.
Whatever one gleans from it can then give one an idea of one's higher, or lower, self.
Depending on focus and direction.

Just come from viewing some vandalized artworks, including Copenhagen's Little Mermaid...

[ulli]

Posted by Belle (here)
Good morning! It's a beautiful day on the lake...water sparkling from the sun...crisp, clean chill in the air...trees wearing their best golds, oranges and reds...smells of autumn from fallen leaves. Love it.

Tomorrow they begin work on the causeway...which means adding 5 to 7 miles of additional travel to get around it. Ugh!

Busy, busy, busy lately. Have agreed to take on the work of someone taking time off to have her baby...didn't sound like much at first, but added to my already filled schedule, it's going to be a long 8 weeks. Today has a lot less on the agenda...a good break before running almost straight out for the next few days.

Finding time to travel the forum in between jobs...posting here and there as I'm able...jumping the 'rims of many bowls '(as Carmody speaks of) and peeking inside each one as I pass by. Interesting perspective. Looking outward from the rim? Working on it.

Thinking about justoneman's post on those who build walls around themselves, yet leave a hidden door to poke their head out and impose their 'truth' on others before ducking back in. Hmmmm....


Edit: can't see the cartoon, ulli.

try this one:
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/gra050317l.jpg

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
When reading my last post, one might notice that all efforts to control humanity, all contrivances, ultimately, originate from the edges of human perception and knowing. All effort to maintain control, is centered in that area, the very finely feathered edge-limit of all things human connected. Some understand this, some do not, so I'm mentioning it again, in a different context and way. To me, it is a very important thing to understand, and to use in one's long term and daily analysis of human flow. If not, one is left floundering, not knowing where, how, or when the waves are coming from and thus, never finding the 'way' to gain 'sea legs'. The metaphysical version of the thousand yard stare/look.

When Carmody passes me a ball I like to run with it.
Yesterday it was "bowls", today it is "sea legs".

This cartoon may look like a heavily loaded message, but if perceived with the right attitude may lead the viewer to some decent insights.
Whatever one gleans from it can then give one an idea of one's higher, or lower, self.
Depending on focus and direction.

Just come from viewing some vandalized artworks, including Copenhagen's Little Mermaid...

Very cool, araucaria...I love it when that happens, don't you?

Now what about the 'vandalized' aspect....
do you see a connection here with the fact that I took a copyrighted cartoon and posted it regardless?
Did I do wrong here?

[ulli]

Posted by Belle (here)
Good morning! It's a beautiful day on the lake...water sparkling from the sun...crisp, clean chill in the air...trees wearing their best golds, oranges and reds...smells of autumn from fallen leaves. Love it.

Tomorrow they begin work on the causeway...which means adding 5 to 7 miles of additional travel to get around it. Ugh!

Busy, busy, busy lately. Have agreed to take on the work of someone taking time off to have her baby...didn't sound like much at first, but added to my already filled schedule, it's going to be a long 8 weeks. Today has a lot less on the agenda...a good break before running almost straight out for the next few days.

Finding time to travel the forum in between jobs...posting here and there as I'm able...jumping the 'rims of many bowls '(as Carmody speaks of) and peeking inside each one as I pass by. Interesting perspective. Looking outward from the rim? Working on it.

Thinking about justoneman's post on those who build walls around themselves, yet leave a hidden door to poke their head out and impose their 'truth' on others before ducking back in. Hmmmm....


Edit: can't see the cartoon, ulli.

I'm sure you can manage all that...if and when it becomes too much you will have to redefine your priority list...
remember there are always solutions, always...
and often they are closer at hand than expected.
Just a matter of figuring out the next chapter in one's manuscript.

[araucaria]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
When reading my last post, one might notice that all efforts to control humanity, all contrivances, ultimately, originate from the edges of human perception and knowing. All effort to maintain control, is centered in that area, the very finely feathered edge-limit of all things human connected. Some understand this, some do not, so I'm mentioning it again, in a different context and way. To me, it is a very important thing to understand, and to use in one's long term and daily analysis of human flow. If not, one is left floundering, not knowing where, how, or when the waves are coming from and thus, never finding the 'way' to gain 'sea legs'. The metaphysical version of the thousand yard stare/look.

When Carmody passes me a ball I like to run with it.
Yesterday it was "bowls", today it is "sea legs".

This cartoon may look like a heavily loaded message, but if perceived with the right attitude may lead the viewer to some decent insights.
Whatever one gleans from it can then give one an idea of one's higher, or lower, self.
Depending on focus and direction.

Just come from viewing some vandalized artworks, including Copenhagen's Little Mermaid...

Very cool, araucaria...I love it when that happens, don't you?

Now what about the 'vandalized' aspect....
do you see a connection here with the fact that I took a copyrighted cartoon and posted it regardless?
Did I do wrong here?

Yes, fun synchronicities. Mermaids are famous for having no feet. This one lost her head in 1964. I wouldn't read much into it.

Except that the story was about the Rothko defaced at Tate Modern, whose director said “We are interested in looking to the future. The person who did this is a person of the past.”

Amen to that.

[Belle]

Posted by ulli (here)

I'm sure you can manage all that...if and when it becomes too much you will have to redefine your priority list...
remember there are always solutions, always...
and often they are closer at hand than expected.
Just a matter of figuring out the next chapter in one's manuscript.

I have back-ups to back-ups to back-ups! Been in the business a long time and early on learned the value of keeping a list of qualified musicians willing to fill in for me when necessary. Hasn't failed me yet. When it gets too much, I have people I can count on to take my place...no one is irreplaceable, yet each one brings their own unique self to the table...thus the need to really know what each is capable of in order to be assured the particular job will be done well...reputations are built on such knowing.

I like the freedom to pick and choose what jobs I take or pass on. Loving going back to studio work, even if it is only until Martha comes back...not a commitment I desire to make for myself, but fun on a temporary basis.


Edit: Can't even see the pic from the link! What's up with that...
Thanks for trying.

[Chester]

Posted by ulli (here)
@ Justoneman

Some relationships function best by interacting via a midpoint...orbiting around a common center of gravity, rather than targeting directly.
This would be less personal and less direct.
Or like putting a plate in front of someone instead of pushing a spoon into their mouths.
The latter would indicate that there is still a dependency...like a child that can't feed itself yet.

This now gets into "the art" of positive relationship. Since I have taken my first baby step in deciding I am interested in only being involved in positive relationship, I will start opening my mind more to the art thereof. Thanks for the feedback, Chester

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
When reading my last post, one might notice that all efforts to control humanity, all contrivances, ultimately, originate from the edges of human perception and knowing. All effort to maintain control, is centered in that area, the very finely feathered edge-limit of all things human connected. Some understand this, some do not, so I'm mentioning it again, in a different context and way. To me, it is a very important thing to understand, and to use in one's long term and daily analysis of human flow. If not, one is left floundering, not knowing where, how, or when the waves are coming from and thus, never finding the 'way' to gain 'sea legs'. The metaphysical version of the thousand yard stare/look.

When Carmody passes me a ball I like to run with it.
Yesterday it was "bowls", today it is "sea legs".

This cartoon may look like a heavily loaded message, but if perceived with the right attitude may lead the viewer to some decent insights.
Whatever one gleans from it can then give one an idea of one's higher, or lower, self.
Depending on focus and direction.

Just come from viewing some vandalized artworks, including Copenhagen's Little Mermaid...

Very cool, araucaria...I love it when that happens, don't you?

Now what about the 'vandalized' aspect....
do you see a connection here with the fact that I took a copyrighted cartoon and posted it regardless?
Did I do wrong here?

Yes, fun synchronicities. Mermaids are famous for having no feet. This one lost her head in 1964. I wouldn't read much into it.

Except that the story mas about the Rothko defaced at Tate Modern, whose director said “We are interested in looking to the future. The person who did this is a person of the past.”

Amen to that.

This is getting weirder by the minute. I just now came from reading about the Rothko defacement.
Not finished yet.
The reason I even read this article was because to do with my own past, indirectly.
My former husband remarried to a Canadian, and divorced her two years later...she got nearly all the money that I had been entitled to, but was too stupid to fight for.
hence I carried some resentment there.
Anyway, she then remarried a Canadian newspaper baron....Lord Thomson...only to be served the next set of divorce papers one year later, the day she was giving birth to their son.
This made huge headlines in Canada, which I followed with a somewhat morbid interest.
The divorce case became rather ugly and one of the details that emerged was that during one of their fights she had threatened to slash one of his Rothkos with a knife....

So where is this going?
I've let go of that past a while ago, but brought it back up to highlight how we all seem to be able to access each others data banks.
Hmmm....

[araucaria]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
When reading my last post, one might notice that all efforts to control humanity, all contrivances, ultimately, originate from the edges of human perception and knowing. All effort to maintain control, is centered in that area, the very finely feathered edge-limit of all things human connected. Some understand this, some do not, so I'm mentioning it again, in a different context and way. To me, it is a very important thing to understand, and to use in one's long term and daily analysis of human flow. If not, one is left floundering, not knowing where, how, or when the waves are coming from and thus, never finding the 'way' to gain 'sea legs'. The metaphysical version of the thousand yard stare/look.

When Carmody passes me a ball I like to run with it.
Yesterday it was "bowls", today it is "sea legs".

This cartoon may look like a heavily loaded message, but if perceived with the right attitude may lead the viewer to some decent insights.
Whatever one gleans from it can then give one an idea of one's higher, or lower, self.
Depending on focus and direction.

Just come from viewing some vandalized artworks, including Copenhagen's Little Mermaid...

Very cool, araucaria...I love it when that happens, don't you?

Now what about the 'vandalized' aspect....
do you see a connection here with the fact that I took a copyrighted cartoon and posted it regardless?
Did I do wrong here?

Yes, fun synchronicities. Mermaids are famous for having no feet. This one lost her head in 1964. I wouldn't read much into it.

Except that the story mas about the Rothko defaced at Tate Modern, whose director said “We are interested in looking to the future. The person who did this is a person of the past.”

Amen to that.

This is getting weirder by the minute. I just now came from reading about the Rothko defacement.
Not finished yet.
The reason I even read this article was because to do with my own past, indirectly.
My former husband remarried to a Canadian, and divorced her two years later...she got nearly all the money that I had been entitled to, but was too stupid to fight for.
hence I carried some resentment there.
Anyway, she then remarried a Canadian newspaper baron....Lord Thomson...only to be served the next set of divorce papers one year later, the day she was giving birth to their son.
This made huge headlines in Canada, which I followed with a somewhat morbid interest.
The divorce case became rather ugly and one of the details that emerged was that during one of their fights she had threatened to slash one of his Rothkos with a knife....

So where is this going?
I've let go of that past a while ago, but brought it back up to highlight how we all seem to be able to access each others data banks.
Hmmm....

Sorry to have inadvertently accessed you private data bank Ulli. Weren't we saying not long ago that there were places where telepathy doesn't go? Still learning I suppose.

Art and money value are an ever-present oxymoron that I have trouble accepting, but maybe it was a good thing here. I guess the Rothko was a potential target as something he loved, but the slasher relented when she realized how much it would be worth, not wanting to shoot herself in the foot.


Where is this going? Nowhere in particular - only as you wish

[araucaria]

Stirring up the past. For me it is often a matter of opening a book. I've just caught a nasty cold almost instantly doing exactly that - I'm allergic to the microscopic fungi in paper more than 5-10 years old. I now have two problems: I'm not feeling too good, and I've got another book I can't read. This is an unavoidable everyday situation. Any suggestions anyone?

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)





Sorry to have inadvertently accessed you private data bank Ulli. Weren't we saying not long ago that there were places where telepathy doesn't go? Still learning I suppose.

Art and money value are an ever-present oxymoron that I have trouble accepting, but maybe it was a good thing here. I guess the Rothko was a potential target as something he loved, but the slasher relented when she realized how much it would be worth, not wanting to shoot herself in the foot.


Where is this going? Nowhere in particular - only as you wish

No harm done...I don't feel threatened by it as I don't sense any hostile intent in you.
My ever-present paranoia alarm bell only rings when the invader's energy is devoid of all courtesy
as well as understanding of the game "rules".

And if Modwiz is reading this...Modwiz, please rest assured that Im not including you in the above invader category, as I don't see the quibbling about semantics as an outright rejection of rules.
I believe your motive was to figure out the language "points of agreement" so as to include a wider circle of readers, including those who object to oppressors imposing dogma...which is even stricter than rules.
Which is how I see araucaria operating as well.
Finding common ground via language.

About the art and money comment...many artists depend on bankers as their clients...
So I quit painting long ago.

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Stirring up the past. For me it is often a matter of opening a book. I've just caught a nasty cold almost instantly doing exactly that - I'm allergic to the microscopic fungi in paper more than 5-10 years old. I now have two problems: I'm not feeling too good, and I've got another book I can't read. This is an unavoidable everyday situation. Any suggestions anyone?

Two different actions are required here.
Solving your book dilemma is easy...just a bit of an astrological jab.

But this wouldn't be timely since you are sick, and such a jab might only make you feel worse.

The first priority is to restore your feelings of wellness.

As I am writing this a fly is spinning on its back by my window, in its final death throws.
Bug deleted.
Be well.

First the bug, later the books.

[modwiz]

Posted by ulli (here)
And if Modwiz is reading this...Modwiz, please rest assured that Im not including you in the above invader category,

It never crossed my mind. A clear conscience helps.

Wizzy don't play dat.

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Art and money value are an ever-present oxymoron that I have trouble accepting, but maybe it was a good thing here. I guess the Rothko was a potential target as something he loved, but the slasher relented when she realized how much it would be worth, not wanting to shoot herself in the foot.


Where is this going? Nowhere in particular - only as you wish

No, not only as I wish...it would make me happy to address your wishes, too.
We could address the oxymoron you mentioned above.

We could perhaps have Modwiz join in there...he is an artist who switched careers in order to become a healer. Same as I did.

Because any artist who finds himself in a world where the only market which offers him a secure life line is that of the very oppressor who traps his work behind his four walls, gradually corrupting him...such an artist must eventually want to drop out of such a game.

A world in a middle of a storm of a major system breakdown needs its artists to become the captains on those rough seas.

One of the surprises I got while reading the Wingmakers interviews with Dr. Neruda was where he says the commander of an interstellar cruiser was an artist, as he represented the right balance of emotional intelligence.
Will try and google the exact quote.

[ulli]

Haven't found he quote yet. But while searching for it I came across this gem...got distracted, I admit.
Felt compelled to share, as it relates directly to my own way of seeing the dilemma the world is in, and what causes the divisions in people thoughts, being given only a small spectrum of alternatives.
We have to find new ways.....


“The Military Force is working on hybrid defensive and offensive weapons that relate to space, bio-weapons, the Internet, and other environments that are as yet not viewed as battlefield arenas. They would contend that R & D budgets should be increased in order to develop these new weapons in order to secure the rights of free people to live without fear of preemptive attack. They intend to remove this reality from the face of the earth and at the same time, propagate democracy.”

Sarah: “But isn’t this a noble goal?”

Dr. Neruda: “Their goals are not necessarily misguided, but their methods to achieve these goals are. This is all about projecting power, and, as a consequence, dictating the prevailing political platform by which the world achieves peace. It is enforced peace. It is peace through power and manipulation.”

Sarah: “But it’s still peace and it’s still democracy. It’s certainly better than the alternative of wars and anarchy or dictatorship.”

Dr. Neruda: “There are other means to achieve the same end.”