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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Good morning.

    Q. Do we have a soul?
    Q. Is this soul separate from me?
    Q. Can it be captured?

    These are age old questions - your answer to this will dictate what sort of world you live in. If you believe in this thing called a soul, and that it can be captured, then you are living in hell. Why, because fear has been introduced into your life.

    Because of a belief in a soul, people have covered mirrors, not wanted their photo taken, spat on the ground, feared to talk of the devil, become very superstitious and religious. Not forgetting wearing lucky charms. If this helps people get through life, then that is their choice.

    This is a beautiful world, and all the sentient beings on it (in Essence) are beautiful too. Yes, there some very selfish individuals. I am one of them, there is selfishness in all of us, until we finally let go of everything.

    I can recognise consciousness, I can recognise ego, I can recognise Essence, but I cannot recognise a soul. That is because a soul does not exist! In fact neither does consciousness, ego or 'Essence'.

    Essence just is, one cannot say it either exists or doesn't exist, as it's beyond all concepts! If Essence is synonymous with God, which is beyond limits, how can any-thing (which is limited) capture it?

    This thread is needlessly creating fear, it came from the claim that black op can retrieve and transfer souls, and that there are people that can save your soul. Oh, I thought religions did that!

    There are people reading this thread wondering what to believe and getting upset.
    To you I say, trust in that which is aware of all that goes on in your mind and in the world.
    That is your Essence, it is not complicated.

    If we go back to the movie analogy, the film is only seen on the screen by virtue of the light. The film has no reality. The only problem is the projectionist, who still believes what he is projecting is real. Beliefs can have a profound effect on your mind.

    I do not have a soul, so there is nothing to steal. It's like a thief entering an empty house!
    Show me a tortured soul, and I'll show you a tortured mind.


    So, as MC Hammer perfectly said, “Can't touch this!”


    Tony
    Hi Tony

    NO, the soul does not exist, only the life force given to you by your parent.

    Regards

    roman

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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Here we go again!

    What is at the bottom of the rabbit hole? Just another dream! If you stuff your head with things you do not understand, this doesn't leave room for free will and intelligence.

    From https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...re-from-Kerry:

    “10. SOUL RETRIEVAL AND TRANSFERENCE :Taking souls from bodies and putting them into stasis and then into new bodies to serve the 'machine' of the secret state. Clones, androids etc. using Grey technology.”

    This clearly shows the lack of understanding of the difference between consciousness and true being.

    There are electrical impulses in the brain, these are created by the mind = consciousness via the senses. This is your 'normal' mechanical human being. Ordinary human beings who react to everything around them. They either accept everything around them or reject everything around them. They are easily led!

    This brings us to the question of a soul or true being. This is not a thing, it has no dimensions, it cannot even be said to 'exist' as we normally think of things...so it cannot be effected by anything. It is pure awareness.

    What can be controlled is the mind/consciousness, which is just a set of ideas...a mind set! Information goes in...and gets stuck there.
    This is how people are controlled.

    Come on people, stop being so easily led.




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    As announced here, the following thread began life as posts on the Camelot disclosure from Kerry thread. - Paul. ]
    Well agreed. I would say our souls are already captured by the mechinations of rational thought processes for the purpose of relieving the fear that is constantly injected into our environment.

    Thus the question in my mind becomes "Can a Soul be set free?"
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    Quote Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
    Hi Tony

    NO, the soul does not exist, only the life force given to you by your parent.

    Regards

    roman
    Roman,

    What do you believe happens after death?

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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Here we go again!

    What is at the bottom of the rabbit hole? Just another dream! If you stuff your head with things you do not understand, this doesn't leave room for free will and intelligence.

    From https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...re-from-Kerry:

    “10. SOUL RETRIEVAL AND TRANSFERENCE :Taking souls from bodies and putting them into stasis and then into new bodies to serve the 'machine' of the secret state. Clones, androids etc. using Grey technology.”

    This clearly shows the lack of understanding of the difference between consciousness and true being.

    There are electrical impulses in the brain, these are created by the mind = consciousness via the senses. This is your 'normal' mechanical human being. Ordinary human beings who react to everything around them. They either accept everything around them or reject everything around them. They are easily led!

    This brings us to the question of a soul or true being. This is not a thing, it has no dimensions, it cannot even be said to 'exist' as we normally think of things...so it cannot be effected by anything. It is pure awareness.

    What can be controlled is the mind/consciousness, which is just a set of ideas...a mind set! Information goes in...and gets stuck there.
    This is how people are controlled.

    Come on people, stop being so easily led.




    Tony

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    [ Mod-edit:
    As announced here, the following thread began life as posts on the Camelot disclosure from Kerry thread. - Paul. ]
    Well agreed. I would say our souls are already captured by the mechinations of rational thought processes for the purpose of relieving the fear that is constantly injected into our environment.

    Thus the question in my mind becomes "Can a Soul be set free?"




    Whatever this soul is, the answer to "Can a soul be set free?"...is Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes, Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes, Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes!
    If we are saying the SOUL is something like consciousness....then Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes, Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes, Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes!
    If we are saying the SOUL is something like our natural pure being...it is free already! But is obscured by this consciousness thingy!

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    One thing to clarify, there is a huge difference between captured and harmed. If these are being treated as one and the same I think there is some misconception there. To a large extent we can argue we are captured already in this limited existence rather by choice or other reason dosnt matter. But I'm going to have to stick by the fact that no ultimate harm or in fact even minute harm can come to something that is catagorically different from even the most subtle level of the material universe. In the same way that you can't teach Spanish to a rock as a crude example. These things just don't mix.
    It's all about the word 'ultimate'.

    Yes, I agree that ultimately, no harm can come to a soul. But in between the start of eternity and the end (this is a metaphor!!), a lot of bad things can happen that are not necessarily chosen by the soul.

    And that depends on your definition of "bad", as well. My definition of experiencing a bad thing is something like being imprisoned, tortured, used, abused, and implanted to be something quite different from one's basic identity, for up to quadrillions of years and hundreds of universe cycles.

    In the end, that soul can be fully healed and rehabilitated. I have done this myself: I've been trained in the techniques, and how to apply them. But I would personally classify that experience as "harmful". This may really be what this discussion is about.

    In summary: souls/ spirits are categorically not impervious to having bad, unchosen experiences enforced on them by others with agendas that break the agreements of those taking part in "reality". It's very important to understand this.
    Well said. I of course agree with the bad experience part 100%. Also I think you are making a valid point that people should not get a sense of carelessness or over confidence from the fact that "ultimately" they cannot get hurt. As long as you are in and identified with this material reality you can suffer unimaginably. For most everyone,( my self hugely included haha), we cannot come close to saying that we are not identified and attached to even some of the most gross material things. And just how many trillions of lifetimes it might take the average person to become detached even from the subtlest levels of egoic identity is beyond me. And until that happens.... You can suffer. Therefor Clearly lots of possibity to suffer and be entrapped.

    I would differ where you say that others can force the bad experience upon us. And say that it is always our own fault be it from previous desires, karma, actions or some kind of willing consent. This is a debate on its own. But doesn't matter as far as the original point, as the danger is there regardless. You could say our own ability to make limitless mistakes is an enemy too.

    However again in the talk where George green says that nukes present a danger to the "soul energy", I see no way to harmonize this as anything other then hogwash.

    I should add that I enjoyed the rest of his interview very much. And he seemed to me, like a genuine nice person. Vastly more intelligent then myself.

    Just calling him out on that one statement.
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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Here we go again!

    What is at the bottom of the rabbit hole? Just another dream! If you stuff your head with things you do not understand, this doesn't leave room for free will and intelligence.

    From https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...re-from-Kerry:

    “10. SOUL RETRIEVAL AND TRANSFERENCE :Taking souls from bodies and putting them into stasis and then into new bodies to serve the 'machine' of the secret state. Clones, androids etc. using Grey technology.”

    This clearly shows the lack of understanding of the difference between consciousness and true being.

    There are electrical impulses in the brain, these are created by the mind = consciousness via the senses. This is your 'normal' mechanical human being. Ordinary human beings who react to everything around them. They either accept everything around them or reject everything around them. They are easily led!

    This brings us to the question of a soul or true being. This is not a thing, it has no dimensions, it cannot even be said to 'exist' as we normally think of things...so it cannot be effected by anything. It is pure awareness.

    What can be controlled is the mind/consciousness, which is just a set of ideas...a mind set! Information goes in...and gets stuck there.
    This is how people are controlled.

    Come on people, stop being so easily led.




    Tony

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    [ Mod-edit:
    As announced here, the following thread began life as posts on the Camelot disclosure from Kerry thread. - Paul. ]
    Well agreed. I would say our souls are already captured by the mechinations of rational thought processes for the purpose of relieving the fear that is constantly injected into our environment.

    Thus the question in my mind becomes "Can a Soul be set free?"




    Whatever this soul is, the answer to "Can a soul be set free?"...is Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes, Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes, Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes!
    If we are saying the SOUL is something like consciousness....then Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes, Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes, Yes,Yes,Yes,Yes!
    If we are saying the SOUL is something like our natural pure being...it is free already! But is obscured by this consciousness thingy!
    Exactly! Perception is the key! Shift perception and consciousness shifts with it Thus entertaining the 'fact' that a soul can be trapped, is a trap in itself, wouldn't you say?
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    Advanced beings literally move souls around in space.

    Few decades of meditation only got me barely touch what's non-physical state. I began to study other subjects that deal with soul and non-physical worlds. I definitely recommend go through well-written books and videos you can find with open mind. That will give you bigger perspective, closer picture of whole soul business.

    Past life regression, lucid dreaming, mind control especially MKULTRA stuff, and information about ETs'' civilizations in general, quantum theories, holistic healing.

    Possessing soul memory has been done over many generations on Earth. Why people have blank memories of past lives?
    It's logical conclusion any human can be omni-intelligent being like the God if he/she could regain ability of accessing soul memories. Of course not a single party which in power do not want this thing happens in massive scale.
    For free society!

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    The Truman Show in real life – and you can walk out at any time you chose.

    This may throw some light on this topic.

    Derren Brown is a hypnotist and illusionist, and has just completed an exercise called Apocalypse: this is pertinent to this forum. This may just be a staged stunt for the TV, but for me it ranks up there with “1984” and “Brave New World”.

    Briefly, he took a selfish, lost young man through a scenario of a meteor striking the Earth, causing the Apocalypse - and with a zombie plague thrown in. The man returned, now aware of his previous selfishness.

    A little more detail...
    The man was primed weeks before, with fake TV and radio reports about a meteor strike, bringing destruction, panic and fear... just like forums! Then, one day, he was travelling in a bus with primed passengers, when suddenly all around them were explosions, and the bus came to a halt. Derren crept behind the man, placed his hand over the man's face and he was immediately hypnotised.
    He was taken to a compound, where he awoke to find himself with a couple of other (primed) survivors, and he faced a serious of challenges.

    Eventually his behaviour became unselfish, and he began to help others before himself. When escaping from the compound in order to take a young girl home, he heard a 'phone' ringing, picked it up, and was immediately put into another hypnotic trance. He was taken home, woke up (out of the trance), went downstairs and joyously, tearfully hugged his family, as he has just had such a “bad dream. He then went into the lounge and found Derren, who explained all. The man had been changed for the good...and he was incredibly grateful.

    So, the point is that the mind can be primed, hypnotised, made to do things and experience things, be aware, and come out again. The experience was utterly horrific for this man, and he was pushed to his limits.

    There was mind present. There was awareness present. So where was the 'soul'?

    Be very careful of how you are being primed!

    The very thought that there is a secret 'thing' called a soul, and it can be captured, will keep you imprisoned and controlled – in the same way as a belief in an ego will. They are both merely a buzz of consciousness wanting to believe in itself. We can mistake our energy for a soul, but that is just a combination of mind and body...the buzz of consciousness!

    Our pure Essence is beyond all that. When the consciousness is distracted, it forgets pure being.

    Ego, like the soul, does not exist. It too is the buzz of consciousness. These two have been made into “something” but neither exists.

    Most human beings are unconscious of their true nature. Being unconscious, they live in a mental dream – an illusion.
    It is only when we awaken to our inner being that we become aware we have been dreaming.
    It doesn't matter whether we live in London or Vilcabamba, we are all under the same illusion. In the same hypnotic state.
    It's only when we identify a problem that it can be resolved.

    Could the idea of a 'soul' be a comfort thing, a solid identity that never changes? Whereas 'we', the idea of an “I” could merely be a series of temporary impulses, held together by ignorance... ..ignorance of our true nature.



    Yours irritatingly,
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    Pretty much all of Derren Browns work is available on demand and is really important for understanding the potential depth and extent the mind can be manipulated and beliefs implanted and behaviour controlled ... Watch enough shows and you'll realise that the mind can be very gullible and susceptible. This is useful for picking up how we're being influenced without even knowing it. That's why channeled info, visions, voices in the head etc. needs to be challenged! 

    There is definitely an agenda to introduce memes - trends of beliefs - watch tv with dispassion and switch sound down but it's worth checking from time to time. But just walking down the street you'll get an eye full of imagery that you're probably not even aware of. And I can't shake that there's an interactivity that arrived with HD. Cast your mind back to the opening ceremony of the special olympics ... And the collective biting of the apple ... And the biting of the Big Apple now ... Power of the mind?

    We've talked for years in groups over time and space about collectively waking up to this impending prison that people globally are in denial over (funny how those that are outside the illusion or operating in their own are being pruned ...)

    We call the sleeping and unconscious many things - sheeple most often and with most disparagement (I wonder if we could call those willingly participating Goats instead to distinguish between the real innocents and the instigators.  The sheeple are the real victims because they've shut themselves down (trauma, fear) perhaps they cannot overcome their cognitive dissonance, and perhaps in other cases they've deliberately shut themselves down and resigned to play the game (thinking that the rules are fair, governed and entrusted to a reliable referee) ... The game is rigged. The odds are stacked. In fact every bit of evidence points to the protocols of the learned blah blah of fishpaste being implemented without consensus. 

    And yes it's all a lot of illusion, but it's making everything really horrible. And admittedly there's nothing like a shared enemy or threat that can bring a group of people together. But with the barrage of overriding BS, glittery snake eyes and mermaid tails etc. Do we really stand a chance? The next things like nanotechnology and integrated digital life fills me with utter dread but the young just lap it up.

    So I think it's fairly safe to say that we don't have a choice, we are excluded from involvement, we are too psychometrically compassionate to be included - we are as Mr McKenna so eloquently put it, being led by the least if us,

    So yeah we could all collectively decide if that's the way Earth is heading, might as well complete our stuff here and when we die we'll move souls on to somewhere else that's not been invaded. Consciousness is free to go where it chooses. But if the strong leave, who do we leave behind and for how long?
    And secondly apart from the psychos in charge, it's really a lovely planet, why should we be pushed out? When is the wheel going to turn on the archons? 

    There is a reason we have both mind and consciousness. In I, Pet Goat II there's an illustration on the wall where the brain hemispheres have been split apart - exactly what we have here.

    Ang x

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    I am a biscuit – I'll explain.

    For a biscuit to think it exists, it needs ingredients - flour, water, sugar, butter - and cooking.
    Every thing is made up of ingredients, just like a biscuit, and all the compents have to be there in order for it to exist.

    “I” is made up of ingredients.

    Here I will have to put on a Buddhist hat.
    What we are is pure awareness - sacred open space, with no embellishments - no ingredients, but just pure being. We can give this any name that suits you!

    One day, this pure open sacred space, this pure awareness, got attracted to something – it got attracted to being aware! It had a feeling of existence, of personal existence, and it forgot pure being.

    This incident (which happens every moment now!) initiated the filling of this open space with concepts. To hold the whole thing together, we needed ingredients (what are called the five aggregates) - form, feeling, perception, karmic formation and consciousness.
    These are the ingredients to create a sentient being.

    So a sentient being is created out of ignorance (ignorance of their true nature) and that sentient being just went on creating, and enjoying its creation...until it finds that that creation is the very cause of its suffering. This creation has to be maintained and defended, giving rise to aggression and hatred and all the other negative emotions.

    However... once we recognise our true nature, there is no reason not to enjoy the biscuit! Then the benefit of others becomes the reason to create.

    Each moment is a joyous, smiling opportunity to re-establish our true nature. Our only problem now is, in having made the biscuit in the kitchen, we have to clean up all the residue. That cleaning up and the putting everything away is the process of eliminating karma (it is that which is still holding the biscuit together).

    When we finally put everything away, and no more biscuits can be made, we free to do whatever we choose!

    However...the end of the 'biscuit business' brings the arising of unconditional love...so what are you going to do with that?!


    Now doesn't that just take the biscuit?
    Tony




    (You cannot capture open space, but you can muck around with the ingredients! )

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    Just say, for argument sake, that the soul can seem to be captured.
    I would love to know where the persons mind set -- belief system was prior to this capture.

    Ignorance is bliss--- Can a person who is unaware that they have a soul-- therefore not in any fear of it being captured-- have this momentous thing happen?
    Does this only happen to people who have a belief system that says they can loose their soul?
    Bit like being possessed by the devil and then needing exorcism.

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    Ramana translation of the Atma Sakshatkara

    52. When a pot is carried, though the space within the pot,
    Is conceived of as carried,
    Is it not solely the pot that is carried?
    The Self too. like Space, remains motionless.

    53. When the pot breaks, the space in the pot
    Merges with the great Space.
    When the inert body passes away, the Self, seemingly in the body,
    Becomes immediately one with the Supreme Self.

    54 Thus the Authority (behind creation) the omniscient Lord
    Spoke on that occasion with finality.
    One who is liberated, free from bondage
    Realises omni-presence and endless absolute Awareness.


    That text is many thousand years old--- long before Christ or the Buddha.
    To be clear you are that space, that formless awareness, temporarily seeming to be confined within a body.
    You are eternal.
    Your are That I am.

    Found in the collected works of Ramana Maharshi page 168

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    I enjoy reading this particular thread! All these different viewpoints/beliefs are so interesting!

    I received an email a couple of days ago titled "Do Your Beliefs Make You Victor or Victim?" by Nanci Danison, a Near-Death-Experiencer:


    ------------------------------------

    Do Your Beliefs Make You Victor or Victim?

    The only frightening aspect of my afterlife visit was learning that our personal beliefs literally shape our reality. I was terrified that re-entering my body would restore the beliefs I had before I died. And I now realized my old religion was scary.

    I learned in the afterlife that humans believe that life happens TO them. They generally feel unable to control life, and therefore see themselves as victims of circumstances. Oftentimes they blame God/Source for allowing evil into their lives. These feelings are natural. They are part of human nature. There is nothing wrong with perceiving yourself as a victim of bad luck and others' wrongful conduct, or even blaming Source for your miseries as though it scripted your every moment. We enter into human bodies in order to experience human life, including its sense of victimhood. However, if you are unhappy with being a victim, you might want to reconsider your belief that you are nothing more than the body you inhabit.

    You can enlighten yourself and change your beliefs about life. You may think you cannot change your beliefs because "that's just who you are." Well, didn't you once believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy? Didn't you once believe being an adult would be fun? That hard work would always be rewarded? That life was fair? Do you still hold these beliefs?

    You CAN learn and believe that you are actually a powerful spiritual personality--one of Source's many beloved mental characters--merely inhabiting a human body. You can accept that as part of Source you have the ability to, and do unconsciously, manifest what you experience as physical reality. And you can awaken to the realization that you chose this life for its challenges. Experienced human-life incarnates craft the most difficult lives because they seek greater and more demanding challenges. You chose this life while you were in your full-power state in the afterlife, knowing that human life isn't real. You WANT to see how you will react to pain, hardship, the death of loved ones, and tragedies of all types this time around. You want to see whether you are able to bring more spiritual powers to bear this time and rise above feeling like a victim. Participating in human life for a Source-character is like XBox gaming in Call of Duty, Black Ops II for a human. Testing yourself against fearsome odds is the goal, not individual events, the score, or winning or losing. Facing all hardships. Taking on all comers. Looking fear, disease, poverty, loss and death squarely in the face and being able to say to ourselves: "I did it. I lived it." During my life review, my Light Being friends were proud of me just for choosing to become human. Just for taking on the challenge! They considered me a great success, even though I felt like I had failed in many respects.

    We get to control how our life progresses by choosing our beliefs about who we are: victor in the rough-and-tumble and always challenging game of human life? Or victim of bad luck and worse people? Victory is for those willing to believe that they are winners just for taking the exciting risk of human life and the trials it brings. Victors accept the life they have chosen, and may try to improve it through the use of conscious manifesting. Victimhood is the human animal default attitude. Either choice is fine. Source doesn't care whether its characters overcome hurdles in a way humans would deem to be successful, or merely experience them. But what do you want for yourself this life?

    Thank you for being open to the messages I have returned from the afterlife to share.

    Nanci

    ------------------------------------


    I personally "believe" that all viewpoints in this thread are relevant and important to each individual.

    I especially loved this email because she used the "Call of Duty Black Ops II" video gaming analogy.... I'm a total video gaming nut and have pre-ordered this game months ago which includes all extras such as more map layouts, increased game difficulty and other surprise gaming content! I do love challenges!

    Peace, Love & Blessings to you all!

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    From what I have learned studying Kabbalah and other metaphysical sciences, with each ascending "dimension" or "octave" the amount of laws governing existence gets cut in half. That would mean, if I understand it correctly, that evil would also exist in the higher dimensions. And what is evil? It seems that evil is anything selfish that steals from others. I read an excellent book called "Nano: Technology of Mind Over Matter" by Kabbalist Rav Berg that shows how this stealing and its opposite, benevolence, goes on at the molecular level, and how our actions, attitudes and thoughts can have an effect on matter. It also explains how the dimensions above the physical are thought (mental) and above that the levels are emotional. However they all interact with each other in ways that I do not yet fully comprehend.

    I guess what I'm saying is that in the 4th and 5th dimension we can also succumb to evil, and it would make sense to me that souls can be captured, but nothing is permanent. There is an evolutionary dialectic/ apotheosis/ teleology going on at every level and all of it is evolving upwards towards source. On this level of Malkuth it goes in cycles. I would imagine that in higher levels outside space and time it would be different. This is why the metaphysical sciences say that the greatest opportunity for soul growth is on the lowest plane in which we currently "live" or are "plugged into". But if there is a God, nothing is permanent and nothing remains stagnant. The True God is a God of Becoming. We are all becoming, and no one can stop the process.

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    Can you free yourself from the belief of the soul?

    What is fairly evidential , if one knows all that has been uncovered and brought forward for us to know over millennium….is the soul and the spirit are not the same thing.

    Did you all miss that?

    Start with Solar worship.

    Soul-ar worship.

    It appears we FINALLY have a break in our dogma. Which is good if one is not emotionally attached to that construct in such a rigid way as to oppose any other expression on the subject. A break in the matrix. A break in the matrix means an escape from the cell.

    Consider this: On any given day one observes the relentless chatter about how the soul is unconditional?

    Right? The soul is un-conditonable. A day will not go by that you will not hear that.

    But then consider this. The next we have an ongoing discussion on how the soul is maimed, implanted, captured and mangled—conditions.
    Right now would be a good time to decide how that is possible? To opposing beliefs colliding like that is going to create….what?

    Confusion?

    To employe critical thinking skills to see the un-sanity of how something can be conditioned and unconditonable at the same time. How is that contradiction in terms possible-- that the soul is unconditional and the also conditional? Is there two different parts to the soul? . Or are we confusing two different facets of ourselves?

    How we can declare the soul is unconditional but then again carry the burden of all those conditions?

    That is the sort of un-sane thinking instilled in us from our oppressors, the last remnant of Christian and Judaic programming haunting the psyche. The last remnants of corrupted solar (soul-ar) worship haunting our psyche. This is a good time to clear that. Since you have it on the table here, if you CAN, and there is no reason why you cannot, sweep the crumbs away.

    Much of what we ‘know’ about the soul is what has been fed to us by major religions which used this vague aspect of ourselves to lead us through the nose . Right there is the best reason not to trust it. They created the soul to use it against you. The very reason not to trust anything about the soul?

    The concept was created by those who wanted to own your soul. Like……the Vatican? As just one example. Or how about our corporate greed meisters who created the 2.0 version of the soul called the Strawman.

    (Lets create a person(ality) as a corporate (separate) entity, arrange their names in ALL CAPS and make them believe that strawman (soul)is themselves. In that way we can own everything they have through UCC (religious)law)

    And so they did. They have to. Because they can’t own your spirit. What else do they have left to own, and the only way they can own your soul is if you continue perpetrating the notion unto yourself that the soul and the spirit is the same thing. Let it go. After all it’s just a word. Like the strawman it is not you. It was pretty easy to realize that wasn’t it?

    The SOUL has been their singular obsessed focus down through millennia because it was inherent to their agenda. (OWN EVERYTHING) Now their obsession has become ours. You want to own that which they have created?

    Basically we found ourselves arguing over something that doesn’t exist in a profound, meaningful, singular eternal sense unless one is that much of a believer in solar worship.

    Much as we’ve had an artificial mind imposed on us, we’ve had a soul imposed on us with it. We ‘think’ we have a soul because we’ve been told we do. By whom? By major religions. And minor. Where did THEY come from?

    Yes.

    And…WE STILL TRUST WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY??

    Language programming, we see it happening today, confusing one word for the other. Soul / Spirit.

    It’s a compromise right? But is only a compromise between two words. We think compromise is an agreeable word. It is. It’s a word that leads to agreements which are conditions. We compromise ourselves in being compromising people. They compromised us with confusing the soul and spirit and we agreed to it. They compromised us into thinking our strawman was us didn’t they?

    Apparently we are still agreeing to it. Stop continuing to make agreements with those who implanted and mangled you in the first place. Stop agreeing to the implanting.

    We compromised ourselves by believing the soul and the spirit to be the same thing. Because that is what THEY told us and you are still believing it! STILL believing it when you KNOW you can’t believe a word that they say!

    Soul- from the word Sol. Sun. Derived from pre –Christian times when most of the limited world’s population was engaged in the sort of Solar Worship that Christianity corrupted and perverted and assumed so it could use the sol, the soul, to fulfill it’s agenda. .What is Christianity’s biggest focus. The soul. Another version of The Son of God versus the Sun of God. How many versions of this Matrix upload are we going to keep accepting into our servers and expect something to change.

    The soul is an aspect of consciousness, like the mental body, the emotional body, ego. Because you were told that is your living spirit you’ve come to believe that. People still believe that the prison of consciousness is their soul, their spirit, yet should be expanded on. Make the prison bigger.

    That is what you think. It is not what you know. So you look at your soul not realizing it is just another aspect of a damaged consciousness and think the soul is damaged as well. Naturally, like any function of consciousness it can be bent, fold, mangled, implanted, and maimed. You keep trying to fix the alternator by banging on the regulator because the two seem to look alike but have entirely different functions. And circumstances.

    The spirit however remains uncorrupted. Our very continued existence is evidence of that. The fact that you are here arguing over something that doesn’t ‘really’ exist is not only an expression of your un-sane state but also…..

    …also evidence that you have enough wherewithal left to be here in the first place. Thank your spirit for that.

    Every aspect of ourselves has been programmed into un-sanity yet we manage to stagger along barely functional with our emotional, mental process on lockdown for millennia but for some mysterious reason we are still here, if not intact and whole, at least partially functioning in our fragmentation. Still grasping for the key out of our prison.

    HOW are you doing that? If the soul is in lockdown, the consciousness, the emotional body, the mental body, the physical body all in lockdown how is that even possible we are still here to see that little light at the end of the tunnel?

    Because there yet remains an uncorrupted part of ourselves. You are your own evidence of that. In dismissing that evidence you are dismissing yourself, what you KNOW, in favor of what our controllers have indoctrinated us with.

    We are still here staggering along …..

    Because there something beyond consciousness, and beyond soul, that remains inviolate. They have led you to believe that consciousness and all its varied facets, is the soul. It was not so very hard to take that a step further and lead you to believe the soul was the spirit. Nor was it very hard to make them believe your corporate body had something to do with you as human.

    Where do you think they got the idea for the strawman? Because they can never do anything differently!

    And we perpetrate that programming. We are now self-policing. They had to create a self policing body of entities because there are so few of them, and so many of us. "Keep your brother's soul".

    Come on people, they spell this all right out for you to see. Why are you NOT seeing it?


    People do not have the wherewithal to know their expressive facets in their proper perspective or function yet feel they know all the ins and outs of the soul. Yes of course. That’s you feel that because it is a feeling, it is however not critical thinking. We don’t use critical thinking because ‘critical’ is a dirty word these days. It's been confused for judgement like soul has been confused for spirit.

    To this day, in spite of all our opportunities to ‘know thyself’ people confuse the emotional body with the mental body, somehow in their unsanity perceiving that the emotional body has reason and thought when by the very virtue of the word it is an emotional body . We don’t understand that very basic function yet feel that we understand enough to think the soul is somehow the spirit?

    The function of the emotional body is to experience emotions, not think. That is why we have mental bodies, to perform the function of thought. The mental body does not have emotions and the emotional body doesn’t feel. Yet we confuse the two all the time. IN the middle of a conversation where the mental body is engaged in thought and discourse the emotional body comes erupting up in a reactionary state based only on how it feels (not thinks) about the topic of discourse.

    Happens all the time. The emotional body is in a constantly reactive state overwhelming the mental body and evidence of that will be provided shortly .

    We don’t know that very basic premise about ourselves yet we insist that know emphatically and categorically about a facet about ourselves that permeates both ?
    By all means fix that maimed, spindled, implanted, supplanted, overwhelmed facets of yourself. Then you will see, know, feel and think the difference between the soul and the spirit.

    You want evidence?

    You are your own evidence. Your very existence after being smothered for millennia should suffice as evidence that there is something beyond the maimed implanted soul that keeps us staggering along when all other expressive facets of ourselves have been bound and gagged.

    If not for the spirit you wouldn’t be here now to argue about what really doesn’t exist but as yet another construct implanted in your psyche since time out of mind. No pun intended. Basically arguing over shared and collective programming that has been hammered into us for millennia.
    More importantly. This is a matter that our ‘oppressors’ the ones who instigated this agenda, are not real clear on. They too have fallen for the program of the soul.

    Our power lies in the fact that we COULD be very clear on it.

    We COULD. Certainly nothing is preventing us from selling our souls that they gave unto us to control us with.

    We COULD. But will we? How firmly fixed on the belief of the soul are you fixated on? Can you set aside your emotional body long enough to think this through with critical thinking skills? It’s all out there, in the plain sight how they instilled this in us. Can you look at it? Is your self-identity that firmly engrained in the notion that the soul is most illuminated part of you?

    If so….Why would you be chasing your higher expression if all you will meet is another folded, implanted expression of yourself? What good will that do? Another maimed expression of yourself is going to get you out of the prison where the other maimed expressions dwell at?

    If the soul is the highest expression of ourselves how do you reasonably expect with your faulty consciousness to ‘fix’ it when one cannot clear their own consciousness? Or differentiate between its varied facets. How can you fix the soul if you cannot even question the fragility of its existence, the artificial source of its existence?

    Can you honestly examine this without flying into an emotional body reaction to overwhelm the critical thinking skills that will, and I promise you this, WILL reveal to you a great deception concerning the soul. Will you shut the whole notion down in favor of a belief that they instilled in us millenniums ago?

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    Can you free yourself from the belief of the soul?

    What is fairly evidential , if one knows all that has been uncovered and brought forward for us to know over millennium….is the soul and the spirit are not the same thing.

    Did you all miss that?

    Start with Solar worship.

    Soul-ar worship.

    It appears we FINALLY have a break in our dogma. Which is good if one is not emotionally attached to that construct in such a rigid way as to oppose any other expression on the subject. A break in the matrix. A break in the matrix means an escape from the cell.

    Consider this: On any given day one observes the relentless chatter about how the soul is unconditional?

    Right? The soul is un-conditonable. A day will not go by that you will not hear that.

    But then consider this. The next we have an ongoing discussion on how the soul is maimed, implanted, captured and mangled—conditions.
    Right now would be a good time to decide how that is possible? To opposing beliefs colliding like that is going to create….what?

    Confusion?

    To employe critical thinking skills to see the un-sanity of how something can be conditioned and unconditonable at the same time. How is that contradiction in terms possible-- that the soul is unconditional and the also conditional? Is there two different parts to the soul? . Or are we confusing two different facets of ourselves?

    How we can declare the soul is unconditional but then again carry the burden of all those conditions?

    That is the sort of un-sane thinking instilled in us from our oppressors, the last remnant of Christian and Judaic programming haunting the psyche. The last remnants of corrupted solar (soul-ar) worship haunting our psyche. This is a good time to clear that. Since you have it on the table here, if you CAN, and there is no reason why you cannot, sweep the crumbs away.

    Much of what we ‘know’ about the soul is what has been fed to us by major religions which used this vague aspect of ourselves to lead us through the nose . Right there is the best reason not to trust it. They created the soul to use it against you. The very reason not to trust anything about the soul?

    The concept was created by those who wanted to own your soul. Like……the Vatican? As just one example. Or how about our corporate greed meisters who created the 2.0 version of the soul called the Strawman.

    (Lets create a person(ality) as a corporate (separate) entity, arrange their names in ALL CAPS and make them believe that strawman (soul)is themselves. In that way we can own everything they have through UCC (religious)law)

    And so they did. They have to. Because they can’t own your spirit. What else do they have left to own, and the only way they can own your soul is if you continue perpetrating the notion unto yourself that the soul and the spirit is the same thing. Let it go. After all it’s just a word. Like the strawman it is not you. It was pretty easy to realize that wasn’t it?

    The SOUL has been their singular obsessed focus down through millennia because it was inherent to their agenda. (OWN EVERYTHING) Now their obsession has become ours. You want to own that which they have created?

    Basically we found ourselves arguing over something that doesn’t exist in a profound, meaningful, singular eternal sense unless one is that much of a believer in solar worship.

    Much as we’ve had an artificial mind imposed on us, we’ve had a soul imposed on us with it. We ‘think’ we have a soul because we’ve been told we do. By whom? By major religions. And minor. Where did THEY come from?

    Yes.

    And…WE STILL TRUST WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY??

    Language programming, we see it happening today, confusing one word for the other. Soul / Spirit.

    It’s a compromise right? But is only a compromise between two words. We think compromise is an agreeable word. It is. It’s a word that leads to agreements which are conditions. We compromise ourselves in being compromising people. They compromised us with confusing the soul and spirit and we agreed to it. They compromised us into thinking our strawman was us didn’t they?

    Apparently we are still agreeing to it. Stop continuing to make agreements with those who implanted and mangled you in the first place. Stop agreeing to the implanting.

    We compromised ourselves by believing the soul and the spirit to be the same thing. Because that is what THEY told us and you are still believing it! STILL believing it when you KNOW you can’t believe a word that they say!

    Soul- from the word Sol. Sun. Derived from pre –Christian times when most of the limited world’s population was engaged in the sort of Solar Worship that Christianity corrupted and perverted and assumed so it could use the sol, the soul, to fulfill it’s agenda. .What is Christianity’s biggest focus. The soul. Another version of The Son of God versus the Sun of God. How many versions of this Matrix upload are we going to keep accepting into our servers and expect something to change.

    The soul is an aspect of consciousness, like the mental body, the emotional body, ego. Because you were told that is your living spirit you’ve come to believe that. People still believe that the prison of consciousness is their soul, their spirit, yet should be expanded on. Make the prison bigger.

    That is what you think. It is not what you know. So you look at your soul not realizing it is just another aspect of a damaged consciousness and think the soul is damaged as well. Naturally, like any function of consciousness it can be bent, fold, mangled, implanted, and maimed. You keep trying to fix the alternator by banging on the regulator because the two seem to look alike but have entirely different functions. And circumstances.

    The spirit however remains uncorrupted. Our very continued existence is evidence of that. The fact that you are here arguing over something that doesn’t ‘really’ exist is not only an expression of your un-sane state but also…..

    …also evidence that you have enough wherewithal left to be here in the first place. Thank your spirit for that.

    Every aspect of ourselves has been programmed into un-sanity yet we manage to stagger along barely functional with our emotional, mental process on lockdown for millennia but for some mysterious reason we are still here, if not intact and whole, at least partially functioning in our fragmentation. Still grasping for the key out of our prison.

    HOW are you doing that? If the soul is in lockdown, the consciousness, the emotional body, the mental body, the physical body all in lockdown how is that even possible we are still here to see that little light at the end of the tunnel?

    Because there yet remains an uncorrupted part of ourselves. You are your own evidence of that. In dismissing that evidence you are dismissing yourself, what you KNOW, in favor of what our controllers have indoctrinated us with.

    We are still here staggering along …..

    Because there something beyond consciousness, and beyond soul, that remains inviolate. They have led you to believe that consciousness and all its varied facets, is the soul. It was not so very hard to take that a step further and lead you to believe the soul was the spirit. Nor was it very hard to make them believe your corporate body had something to do with you as human.

    Where do you think they got the idea for the strawman? Because they can never do anything differently!

    And we perpetrate that programming. We are now self-policing. They had to create a self policing body of entities because there are so few of them, and so many of us. "Keep your brother's soul".

    Come on people, they spell this all right out for you to see. Why are you NOT seeing it?


    People do not have the wherewithal to know their expressive facets in their proper perspective or function yet feel they know all the ins and outs of the soul. Yes of course. That’s you feel that because it is a feeling, it is however not critical thinking. We don’t use critical thinking because ‘critical’ is a dirty word these days. It's been confused for judgement like soul has been confused for spirit.

    To this day, in spite of all our opportunities to ‘know thyself’ people confuse the emotional body with the mental body, somehow in their unsanity perceiving that the emotional body has reason and thought when by the very virtue of the word it is an emotional body . We don’t understand that very basic function yet feel that we understand enough to think the soul is somehow the spirit?

    The function of the emotional body is to experience emotions, not think. That is why we have mental bodies, to perform the function of thought. The mental body does not have emotions and the emotional body doesn’t feel. Yet we confuse the two all the time. IN the middle of a conversation where the mental body is engaged in thought and discourse the emotional body comes erupting up in a reactionary state based only on how it feels (not thinks) about the topic of discourse.

    Happens all the time. The emotional body is in a constantly reactive state overwhelming the mental body and evidence of that will be provided shortly .

    We don’t know that very basic premise about ourselves yet we insist that know emphatically and categorically about a facet about ourselves that permeates both ?
    By all means fix that maimed, spindled, implanted, supplanted, overwhelmed facets of yourself. Then you will see, know, feel and think the difference between the soul and the spirit.

    You want evidence?

    You are your own evidence. Your very existence after being smothered for millennia should suffice as evidence that there is something beyond the maimed implanted soul that keeps us staggering along when all other expressive facets of ourselves have been bound and gagged.

    If not for the spirit you wouldn’t be here now to argue about what really doesn’t exist but as yet another construct implanted in your psyche since time out of mind. No pun intended. Basically arguing over shared and collective programming that has been hammered into us for millennia.
    More importantly. This is a matter that our ‘oppressors’ the ones who instigated this agenda, are not real clear on. They too have fallen for the program of the soul.

    Our power lies in the fact that we COULD be very clear on it.

    We COULD. Certainly nothing is preventing us from selling our souls that they gave unto us to control us with.

    We COULD. But will we? How firmly fixed on the belief of the soul are you fixated on? Can you set aside your emotional body long enough to think this through with critical thinking skills? It’s all out there, in the plain sight how they instilled this in us. Can you look at it? Is your self-identity that firmly engrained in the notion that the soul is most illuminated part of you?

    If so….Why would you be chasing your higher expression if all you will meet is another folded, implanted expression of yourself? What good will that do? Another maimed expression of yourself is going to get you out of the prison where the other maimed expressions dwell at?

    If the soul is the highest expression of ourselves how do you reasonably expect with your faulty consciousness to ‘fix’ it when one cannot clear their own consciousness? Or differentiate between its varied facets. How can you fix the soul if you cannot even question the fragility of its existence, the artificial source of its existence?

    Can you honestly examine this without flying into an emotional body reaction to overwhelm the critical thinking skills that will, and I promise you this, WILL reveal to you a great deception concerning the soul. Will you shut the whole notion down in favor of a belief that they instilled in us millenniums ago?


    9eagle9, it's great to see you back!

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Ramana translation of the Atma Sakshatkara

    52. When a pot is carried, though the space within the pot,
    Is conceived of as carried,
    Is it not solely the pot that is carried?
    The Self too. like Space, remains motionless.

    53. When the pot breaks, the space in the pot
    Merges with the great Space.
    When the inert body passes away, the Self, seemingly in the body,
    Becomes immediately one with the Supreme Self.

    54 Thus the Authority (behind creation) the omniscient Lord
    Spoke on that occasion with finality.
    One who is liberated, free from bondage
    Realises omni-presence and endless absolute Awareness.


    That text is many thousand years old--- long before Christ or the Buddha.
    To be clear you are that space, that formless awareness, temporarily seeming to be confined within a body.
    You are eternal.
    Your are That I am.

    Found in the collected works of Ramana Maharshi page 168

    Chris





    Break the pot, and space within is inseparable with the space without.
    Meanwhile we bang our pots together.

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    For some years now, I've been increasingly suspicious of there being some form of pre-written storyline that my life is following. I'd notice unlikely similarities between occurrences in my world and something I'd seen somewhere else or in someone else's life. I'd always thought that any similarity between my actions and habits, and those of my parents, could be easily explained away as being genetic or the influence of my childhood environment. Maybe though, it's more due to my lack of imagination or adventure when it comes to life choices. Sometimes, the similarities are so implausible that I become suspicious of someone pranking me. Even television and movie plots have begun appearing in real life situations and news stories. It's been said that we are capable of steering our lives to some extent, and that our thoughts and desires can be made manifest by utilizing some sort of conscious will. If so, and if the steadily flowing stream of our life's experiences is merely a projection created by our own minds, is it possible that we occasionally run out of fresh material and fill the gaps with recycled bits and pieces from our past or from scenarios co-opted from other sources? Maybe the only novelties that we experience - the unexpected twists and turns of our lives - are just instances where our story lines intersect with those of others, and one or both have their trajectories altered in some way, possibly drastically.

    Did anyone not think it odd that, coming from the U.S. government, there was an abundance of zombie references and even a seemingly tongue-in-cheek guide as to how to survive a zombie attack? Was there some connection to the bizarre occurrences shortly thereafter, of people doing things you'd expect to see in a zombie movie? Or how about the purported war against aliens that may or may not be ongoing in the Pacific Ocean and its more than striking similarity to the movie Battleship? The television series Last Resort might also be the script for the recently announced cases of senior military officers being relieved of duty. It has been said that television, movies, music, etc all reflect the social moods, values and hopes of their era but maybe there is a more direct connection. If our consciousness is connected somehow on a large scale, perhaps globally, is it not possible that we occasionally plagiarize material that we see others enjoying or that we find compelling in some way?

    In my personal life, I am routinely bewildered by such coincidences. My current relationship seems to be a mirror of the previous one wherein I am being shown, through my girlfriend's behaviours, how I behaved toward my ex-wife. It's all very enlightening and humbling, but at the same time absurdly surreal. The only thing that I am tentatively certain of is that life is very, very weird.

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    For some years now, I've been increasingly suspicious of there being some form of pre-written storyline that my life is following. I'd notice unlikely similarities between occurrences in my world and something I'd seen somewhere else or in someone else's life. I'd always thought that any similarity between my actions and habits, and those of my parents, could be easily explained away as being genetic or the influence of my childhood environment. Maybe though, it's more due to my lack of imagination or adventure when it comes to life choices. Sometimes, the similarities are so implausible that I become suspicious of someone pranking me. Even television and movie plots have begun appearing in real life situations and news stories. It's been said that we are capable of steering our lives to some extent, and that our thoughts and desires can be made manifest by utilizing some sort of conscious will. If so, and if the steadily flowing stream of our life's experiences is merely a projection created by our own minds, is it possible that we occasionally run out of fresh material and fill the gaps with recycled bits and pieces from our past or from scenarios co-opted from other sources? Maybe the only novelties that we experience - the unexpected twists and turns of our lives - are just instances where our story lines intersect with those of others, and one or both have their trajectories altered in some way, possibly drastically.

    Did anyone not think it odd that, coming from the U.S. government, there was an abundance of zombie references and even a seemingly tongue-in-cheek guide as to how to survive a zombie attack? Was there some connection to the bizarre occurrences shortly thereafter, of people doing things you'd expect to see in a zombie movie? Or how about the purported war against aliens that may or may not be ongoing in the Pacific Ocean and its more than striking similarity to the movie Battleship? The television series Last Resort might also be the script for the recently announced cases of senior military officers being relieved of duty. It has been said that television, movies, music, etc all reflect the social moods, values and hopes of their era but maybe there is a more direct connection. If our consciousness is connected somehow on a large scale, perhaps globally, is it not possible that we occasionally plagiarize material that we see others enjoying or that we find compelling in some way?

    In my personal life, I am routinely bewildered by such coincidences. My current relationship seems to be a mirror of the previous one wherein I am being shown, through my girlfriend's behaviours, how I behaved toward my ex-wife. It's all very enlightening and humbling, but at the same time absurdly surreal. The only thing that I am tentatively certain of is that life is very, very weird.





    Hello Zelig,

    It does seem we are being primed to expect something coming. Like these expected predictions, they tend to fizzle out, but seem to also leave a sticky residue in the mind. That is neuro linguistic programming, mucking around with the ingredients in consciousness.

    All appearance in the mind come to pass, like fleeting fantasies...know thyself as pure awareness.

    When we can cut out the fantasies - we increase our intelligence.




    yours,
    Tony

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