The effect of Doubt (and after post #9, Jake asks to be unsubscribed)

[gripreaper]

Posted by music (here)
This is a difficult time. Quite apart from the fact there are some very intense energies right now, there are some of us who are severely let down by the lack of fireworks on the 21st, and some of us who are gloating over the lack of fireworks on the 21st. What we must remember is that nothing else matters but love, and when we relate to each from outside of this sacred space, things may be misconstrued (or not), intentionally (or not), insults may be intended (or not), insults may be taken (or not), etc. This is, and should be, a robust forum because nothing teaches us more than looking at the root of our disagreement with each other, and searching for the common ground of truth. When we disagree without a foot on the home-base of love however, we stray from the realm of growing awareness and become mired in labyrinth of the ego.

Love. It's easy.

An what you will find, is that the Forum, including myself, has been relatively quiet this past week. Speaking for myself, when the energy passing through me is perturbed and is not grounded, I generally keep my mouth shut until it clears up and I have had a chance to transmute that which is bombarding the collective.

When the elite will slaughter our children in broad daylight in a ritualistic fashion, you can bet they are rippling evil through the entire collective, and all of us are affected, whether we like it or not. Until I am able to process this energy, as well as other galactic energies which are in opposition to the elite's attempt to circumvent, there will be no Hitler parodies, or words of wisdom.

Sometimes this is the best action.

[DNA]

Wow, I hadn't gotten any farther than Jake's post when I replied a few minutes ago. I'm certainly not trying to weigh in on the rest of what is going on.


Also, this thread was just called "The Effect of Doubt", there was no mention of the Jake thing until after I posted.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Shortly after his last post above, Jake asked Paul by private message to unsubscribe him from the forum immediately. Paul did so, assuring him by e-mail that he would be more than welcome to return at any time.

The e-mail bounced. As best I know, we have no way of communicating with him now, and so I very much hope that he will notice and read this post.

Jake was a credit to the forum, and was a great friend of many. He cared deeply about people's personal suffering. New members may not know that he was also a loved and respected member of the moderators team for quite a while.

Jake - I blew it. I hope you come back soon.

[Calz]

Perhaps a "serenade" with his own talented music would help???

Encore Jake???

Posted by Jake (here)
You guys are ALL my friggin heroes. I have been playing blues guitar for years now. I recorded some tunes and put them on the members music thread,,, but they belong right here in the Blues Thread....


This one is my tribute to Jimi Hendrix, Blues guitar phenom... Since I am a Seattle Native,,, It is perfect...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mat7Z9qPOTg

This one is my slide blues tribute to Robert Johnson... I love the blues, I have a couple of venues where I frequent the 'blues night' open jams.... I can't get enough...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DK7tXj3LdHs

[mahalall]

Challenging the inertia of the light of awareness

Admiring your spirit Jake !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YLSCfLp0iXM

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Shortly after his last post above, Jake asked Paul by private message to unsubscribe him from the forum immediately. Paul did so, assuring him by e-mail that he would be more than welcome to return at any time.

The e-mail bounced. As best I know, we have no way of communicating with him now, and so I very much hope that he will notice and read this post.

Jake was a credit to the forum, and was a great friend of many. He cared deeply about people's personal suffering. New members may not know that he was also a loved and respected member of the moderators team for quite a while.

Jake - I blew it. I hope you come back soon.

Jake - I blew it. I hope you come back soon.

Well this is the first time, I'd have to disagree with you, Paul. The way I see it, you respected Jake's wishes. Not much else you could do.

I sprinkled some fairy dust on my remote viewer machine and cranked it up. I see Jake's return in this time line.

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[Gardener]

"Use the force Jake, use the force."

[Fred Steeves]

A simple question here: How are Tony and Kathie any more responsible for Jake's retirement, than Another Bob is for ROMANKT's retirement? As much as I like and respect Jake, had he no responsibility for his choice?

[westhill]

Jake...
If you have the heart to play the blues like you do (I'm from Chicago), then you have more than enough heart
to please see past this moment. I've been reading all the posts of those who will miss you. They really mean it,
come back!

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Well this is the first time, I'd have to disagree with you, Paul. The way I see it, you respected Jake's wishes. Not much else you could do.

I could have first let Jake know that I hoped he'd stay, and asked what was happening.

I like the view from your remote viewer.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Speaking for myself, when the energy passing through me is perturbed and is not grounded, I generally keep my mouth shut until it clears up and I have had a chance to transmute that which is bombarding the collective.

Ha. Wish I could say the same. But then I'd never get to speak.

Jake, I do hope you will return. Yes, Avalon can be frustrating. I've nearly stormed out several times myself. But your voice is needed here. Please reconsider.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
A simple question here: How are Tony and Kathie any more responsible for Jake's retirement, than Another Bob is for ROMANKT's retirement? As much as I like and respect Jake, had he no responsibility for his choice?

Hi Fred,

ROMANKT, too? I had no idea... Damn, crazy energies. Full disclosure? I've been fighting to not hit the "I'm outta here button." I DO NOT share this for any reason but to demonstrate the crazy energies. My style is to leave quickly and quietly. I've reached that point several times in the last 4-5 weeks. I step back and regroup.

Jake, had he no responsibility for his choice?

I'm thinking this is just rhetorical? Forum communication is a challenge when voice and visual cues aren't there. They are more important to me than the words themselves. Huh? I rely more on them.

Peace,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Well this is the first time, I'd have to disagree with you, Paul. The way I see it, you respected Jake's wishes. Not much else you could do.

I could have first let Jake know that I hoped he'd stay, and asked what was happening.

I like the view from your remote viewer.

I hoped he'd stay, and asked what was happening.

That's a good idea for the next time. We don't know these things until they come up.

Going out on a limb and will quickly push the reply button before I chicken out. I keep getting the numbers 3 or 4. I want to say days, but to cover my a$$ 3 or 4 might mean weeks, that way people will have forgotten this embarrassing display of amateur trainee of the "Dionne Warwick for the Psychic Friends Network".

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And Jake if you are listening....

OMG I just jumped over to the "Happy New Year!" thread. Is Jake back? His avatar is up? Or did you open the door a bit so he can sneak in the back when he's ready?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
OMG I just jumped over to the "Happy New Year!" thread. Is Jakie back? His icon is up? Or did you open the door a bit so he can sneak in the back when he's ready?

You guys are quick .

I opened the door so he could get back in easily.

We're still scanning the horizon, waiting for our smoke signals to be returned.

[Youniverse]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by music (here)
This is a difficult time. Quite apart from the fact there are some very intense energies right now, there are some of us who are severely let down by the lack of fireworks on the 21st, and some of us who are gloating over the lack of fireworks on the 21st. What we must remember is that nothing else matters but love, and when we relate to each from outside of this sacred space, things may be misconstrued (or not), intentionally (or not), insults may be intended (or not), insults may be taken (or not), etc. This is, and should be, a robust forum because nothing teaches us more than looking at the root of our disagreement with each other, and searching for the common ground of truth. When we disagree without a foot on the home-base of love however, we stray from the realm of growing awareness and become mired in labyrinth of the ego.

Love. It's easy.

An what you will find, is that the Forum, including myself, has been relatively quiet this past week. Speaking for myself, when the energy passing through me is perturbed and is not grounded, I generally keep my mouth shut until it clears up and I have had a chance to transmute that which is bombarding the collective.

When the elite will slaughter our children in broad daylight in a ritualistic fashion, you can bet they are rippling evil through the entire collective, and all of us are affected, whether we like it or not. Until I am able to process this energy, as well as other galactic energies which are in opposition to the elite's attempt to circumvent, there will be no Hitler parodies, or words of wisdom.

Sometimes this is the best action.

Forgive my missing something here. I was just wondering, in all sincereity, what your sources of evidence are for the so-called elite's ritualistic slaughter of those children at Sandy Hook. As a father of a six year old son I take such aleegations quite seriously.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
OMG I just jumped over to the "Happy New Year!" thread. Is Jakie back? His icon is up? Or did you open the door a bit so he can sneak in the back when he's ready?

You guys are quick .

I opened the door so he could get back in easily.

We're still scanning the horizon, waiting for our smoke signals to be returned.

You All are such nice S.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
A simple question here: How are Tony and Kathie any more responsible for Jake's retirement, than Another Bob is for ROMANKT's retirement? As much as I like and respect Jake, had he no responsibility for his choice?

Could you report these post(s) for us that evidence your concerns involving ROMANWKT and another bob?

Responsibility is not simply theirs or ours. We each do what we can.

[SKAWF]

thats the thing with internet communications...

its so easy to react to whats said....
which is odd really, because in relation to verbal communication,
we only really get a narrow view whats being said when we read the words people write.

someone suggested once that its wise to give it 24 hours,
if you still feel the same way after that time has passed.... respond.

but to loosely echo what was said earlier....

i'm suprised that someone would leave a high value place
just because of someone elses words.

it places a lot of control in someone elses hands.

balance will no doubt be restored at some point.

[Youniverse]

You know, as a fairly new member on Avalon, one of the main things that attracted me to it was the opportunity to hear a variety of perspectives in a respectable manner. Something that is lacking in many other online forums. If we can't heard differences of opinion on a forum such as this, and maintain respect for each other, than where else is it going to happen? I don't personally know Jake and don't recall any interactions with him(though I probably had some), but I definately would always welcome him back. At the same time, I do recall several of the contributions Tony has made and as far as I've seen, he's made some valuable ones. Whether Tony is arrogant or whatever, I don't know and that's not for me to judge. I'm also wondering if there's a considerable degree of taking sides or favouritism going on within Avalon?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Youniverse (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by music (here)
This is a difficult time. Quite apart from the fact there are some very intense energies right now, there are some of us who are severely let down by the lack of fireworks on the 21st, and some of us who are gloating over the lack of fireworks on the 21st. What we must remember is that nothing else matters but love, and when we relate to each from outside of this sacred space, things may be misconstrued (or not), intentionally (or not), insults may be intended (or not), insults may be taken (or not), etc. This is, and should be, a robust forum because nothing teaches us more than looking at the root of our disagreement with each other, and searching for the common ground of truth. When we disagree without a foot on the home-base of love however, we stray from the realm of growing awareness and become mired in labyrinth of the ego.

Love. It's easy.

An what you will find, is that the Forum, including myself, has been relatively quiet this past week. Speaking for myself, when the energy passing through me is perturbed and is not grounded, I generally keep my mouth shut until it clears up and I have had a chance to transmute that which is bombarding the collective.

When the elite will slaughter our children in broad daylight in a ritualistic fashion, you can bet they are rippling evil through the entire collective, and all of us are affected, whether we like it or not. Until I am able to process this energy, as well as other galactic energies which are in opposition to the elite's attempt to circumvent, there will be no Hitler parodies, or words of wisdom.

Sometimes this is the best action.

Forgive my missing something here. I was just wondering, in all sincereity, what your sources of evidence are for the so-called elite's ritualistic slaughter of those children at Sandy Hook. As a father of a six year old son I take such aleegations quite seriously.

Hello Youniverse,

While you wait for a response, this thread may help: The Sandy Hook Newtown Massacre…the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST