The effect of Doubt (and after post #9, Jake asks to be unsubscribed)

[M6*]

Posted by music (here)
Love. It's easy.

And sometimes....not so easy. M6*

[HaveBlue]

Anybody supplying cellphones, and gaming consoles to young children under 18 is an ignorant fool. Harsh words but quite correct.

Why on earth would you want to cook the (still trying to grow) brain of your own child with microwaves?

What good can possibly come from video games? What use are they? training to be a soldier who flys a drone aircraft from some safe location while dropping bombs on innocent citizens is the only use they have.

The NWO is laughing at you. in fact they are saying, see I told you how stupid they are and that is why the useless eaters are mere slaves and canon fodder of ours to do as we like. Too stupid to think for themselves. You're own cellphone is tracking you and spying on you as it cooks your brain and causes brain tumours.

To ignore finding out about such things before you inflict them upon your children surely must be called neglect.
Providing a child with video games to 'get them out of your hair' is also neglect.

Barrie Trower is the man to look up on youtube. He's another one who lost his job because he told the truth.

That is the problem with out finding facts and having integrety- you have to take action.
From distilling my water to rid it of poisons to finding out what the numbers mean on the packets at the supermarket.

My two kids are grateful their dad cares enough. They are happy to be 'deprived' of those moron machines as we call them. Same goes for wireless devices and cordless phones. And the microwave was tossed when I learned about that too.



While it is an expensive mistake to buy all those things and them learn about them and be rid of them, the longer term cost is way more. Neither could we pass the buck and sell or even give them to others that were less informed.

Teach the children well. This post is about what that statement means. Sadly in my own neighbourhood which is a mixture of income brackets, it is the poor kids that have the cellphones and X boxes. No landline nor internet.
Those same kids are behind at school in maths and English. Their learning time for that and everything else is stolen by video games.

I should be happy my two kids are the smartest in their classes. But I am not. They are not especially smart. The others are especially dumbed down with their own parents blessing. It really is a living horror movie/nightmare.

Ignorance was bliss for some that will read this post. What will you do now you know? Just cop out and decide my post is BS without investigating further?
once you have knowledge of something you are no longer innocent.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
A simple question here: How are Tony and Kathie any more responsible for Jake's retirement, than Another Bob is for ROMANWKT's retirement? As much as I like and respect Jake, had he no responsibility for his choice?

Hi, Fred: I've only just got round to looking at what had happened here (on Another Bob's thread Greetings!).

The opening post which upset Roman was an obvious light-hearted spoof about ascension. Another Bob did nothing on that thread to upset anyone. The situation is not quite the same.

Btw -- Roman is back on the forum after requesting that he be re-subscribed. We have not seen or heard from Jake.

[Zelig]

Although this incident seems to have been discussed sufficiently, I am arrogant enough to feel compelled to continue the debate. As I see it, this forum is populated by an unusually well-mannered demographic who, as individuals, are pursuing a wide range of beliefs, theories, quests, etc, and each member has their unique character and approach. Some post with confidence and certainty and others post cautiously and carefully. I very much appreciate Tony's and Roman's posts and respect their willingness to go out on various limbs. I don't have that level of confidence and hope someday to develop it. The dustups that rarely occur are not at all surprising. Each word posted can be interpreted and intended in many ways and it is compounded by the number of words used to express one's point or opinion. It is surprising that more of these incidents don't happen on a regular basis, given the number of posts and threads that are active each day. It was interesting to see how civil the response to this altercation remained. Everyone seems eager to resolve this amicably and with nobody leaving the playground. How refreshing is that?
Getting back to the topic of intent, I had no idea that Tony's wife was Tarka, and when I read the offending post I didn't interpret it as obviously malicious. After Bill pointed out the connection though, I reread it and saw the potential for it coming across as the dagger he described. My point here is that as the reader I can imagine a wide range of intended meaning in others' posts but I have no way of knowing what was in their hearts or minds when they typed it out. Based on the environment of the forum, I am more than willing to assume that the intentions at the root of this whole affair were misunderstood.
I do question, however, why it was deemed necessary for Bill to inform me of Tarka the Duck's identity.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All:

A very close, caring friend has taken me to task for using the word 'arrogant' to describe Tony (pie'n'eal), citing -- correctly -- that I was guilty of double standards inasmuch as had most other members used that kind of language, their post would probably have been reported and the mods prompted into action behind the scenes to censure the offender.

I was reminded of the responsibility I have in setting an example in my language and conduct. All of that is valid.

Close to the heart of this, a number of issues are raised, none of them trivial or easy to wave away or to resolve. Those following the work of passionate advocates such as David Icke, Alex Jones, Duncan O'Finioan and even our very own Kerry Cassidy will know and understand that that very passion, energy, sensitivity and caring that all combines to bring them them at once to be outspoken, courageous, articulate, controversial and (occasionally) upsetting to others, is part of the same package.

I bet it's hard to live with David, Alex, or Duncan, I know it's hard to live with Kerry, and I'm told it's hard to live with me. We are all imperfect humans -- trying, each in the best way we can., to make an impact and change the course of an imperfect world.

And David, Alex, Duncan and Kerry all call it the way they see it. I do too, though normally in my English wordsmith demeanor I choose my words carefully and with responsibility. Occasionally I do not. What that may reveal to others is the extent to which I care about some issues.

I care about Jake -- and I do not need to justify this: I've never met him or spoken with him. I just do. And when I took it upon myself to change the energy of this thread, and shift its focus, I did not know what the response would be.

It appeared that a number of others were also horrified that Jake had jumped off the Bridge, for whatever reason, and shared my concern about what(ever) had occurred. This is also a risk that truthseekers take when they state their perception of the truth: they do not know what the response will be. They are merely the one who has stated their truth first. This is a risky business. They may be hailed as a hero... or nailed to the cross. I do not use that analogy lightly.

So I apologize to the forum for my harsh misuse of language in calling Tony (pie'n'eal) out as arrogant, and stating that Kathie (Tarka the Duck) had knowingly or unknowingly wielded a stiletto. With my moderators' hat off, I remain firm in that view. I cannot apologize for my own truth. I can, however, apologize for the way I communicate it, and the public example I offer.

What would help in this situation is:

• For Tony to understand that he has not been appointed as the forum's resident guru;
• For Kathie to refrain from operating as his tag team partner (and to see this clearly, read their co-ordinated attack on George Green, who with Jake, I also count as a friend, and who is not here to defend or explain himself);
• And for me to conduct myself with more patience and understanding when I am confronted with actions and words which immediately strike me as not up to the standard that I and the moderators expect from members, which necessarily includes myself and them.

I am hopeful that all this learning will occur, and that Jake will return. We will wait and see. As I said earlier, I have told the moderators that I will step back and allow them to decide, without me, what action, if any, should be taken about anything at all. They will confirm that I very rarely influence their perceptions, views or decisions, and this is one of the reasons why the forum works so well.

[CdnSirian]

"I do question, however, why it was deemed necessary for Bill to inform me of Tarka the Duck's identity. "

I'm quite sure, Zelig, that Tarka's identity has been referred to by Pie and herself in various posts. I can't remember where I first read that, but it seems it has not been a secret, and I have been aware of it for a while.

Regards.

[Zelig]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
"I do question, however, why it was deemed necessary for Bill to inform me of Tarka the Duck's identity. "

I'm quite sure, Zelig, that Tarka's identity has been referred to by Pie and herself in various posts. I can't remember where I first read that, but it seems it has not been a secret, and I have been aware of it for a while.

Regards.

This may well be yet another instance of me being the last to know something.

[SKAWF]

underneath EVERYTHING is energy.

really, the words we use are like oily swirls on the surface of water.

balance is a constant.

about half of the humans on earth, are women, with the other half being ... men.
and out of all those men and women, half of them will like you and half of them wont.

this has more to do with the laws of physics than any dogma or belief.

its just energy.

some people sap the energy out of you, and others give you a boost
with some there is harmony..... and with others dischord.

some people (about half!) are born on the opposite phase of the cycle,
and without them even trying.....
interaction with them could.... cause conflict.

is it the words that people say which offend,
or is it some underlying factor that we read into the situation?
the energy of the intent perhaps.

i think..... given how balanced everything is,
and given how many people post here,
and the amount of views which are expressed,

it is a testimony to all of our self control,
that this place as civilized as it is!

[music]

Good on you Bill, apologizing is difficult, but the sign of a good heart. The world would be a better place for more of it.

[Flash]

Now, I wish wonderfull Christmas to Jake and his family, as well as an excellent coming year.

I do wish also a wonderfull holidays to Tony and Tarta.

Thanks Bill for bringning back common sense with your last post. Everyone here understand passion, also most probably a majority of us are difficult people to live with because we are out of the ordinary and quite convinced of our own thinking, however, we most of all are basically well intentioned and have a very good heart. Thank that you do to Bill, this is why this forum is holding up.

So I wish you Bill excellent holiday in the warm weather I envy - me gustaria estar ahi y pasar el hivierno asi.

Great seasons to all on this thread,

Love

Flash

[DarMar]

The Quieter You Become The More You Are Able To Hear

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Dear All:

A very close, caring friend has taken me to task for using the word 'arrogant' to describe Tony (pie'n'eal), citing -- correctly -- that I was guilty of double standards inasmuch as had most other members used that kind of language, their post would probably have been reported and the mods prompted into action behind the scenes to censure the offender.

I was reminded of the responsibility I have in setting an example in my language and conduct. All of that is valid.

Close to the heart of this, a number of issues are raised, none of them trivial or easy to wave away or to resolve. Those following the work of passionate advocates such as David Icke, Alex Jones, Duncan O'Finioan and even our very own Kerry Cassidy will know and understand that that very passion, energy, sensitivity and caring that all combines to bring them them at once to be outspoken, courageous, articulate, controversial and (occasionally) upsetting to others, is part of the same package.

I bet it's hard to live with David, Alex, or Duncan, I know it's hard to live with Kerry, and I'm told it's hard to live with me. We are all imperfect humans -- trying, each in the best way we can., to make an impact and change the course of an imperfect world.

And David, Alex, Duncan and Kerry all call it the way they see it. I do too, though normally in my English wordsmith demeanor I choose my words carefully and with responsibility. Occasionally I do not. What that may reveal to others is the extent to which I care about some issues.

I care about Jake -- and I do not need to justify this: I've never met him or spoken with him. I just do. And when I took it upon myself to change the energy of this thread, and shift its focus, I did not know what the response would be.

It appeared that a number of others were also horrified that Jake had jumped off the Bridge, for whatever reason, and shared my concern about what(ever) had occurred. This is also a risk that truthseekers take when they state their perception of the truth: they do not know what the response will be. They are merely the one who has stated their truth first. This is a risky business. They may be hailed as a hero... or nailed to the cross. I do not use that analogy lightly.

So I apologize to the forum for my harsh misuse of language in calling Tony (pie'n'eal) out as arrogant, and stating that Kathie (Tarka the Duck) had knowingly or unknowingly wielded a stiletto. With my moderators' hat off, I remain firm in that view. I cannot apologize for my own truth. I can, however, apologize for the way I communicate it, and the public example I offer.

What would help in this situation is:

• For Tony to understand that he has not been appointed as the forum's resident guru;
• For Kathie to refrain from operating as his tag team partner (and to see this clearly, read their co-ordinated attack on George Green, who with Jake, I also count as a friend, and who is not here to defend or explain himself);
• And for me to conduct myself with more patience and understanding when I am confronted with actions and words which immediately strike me as not up to the standard that I and the moderators expect from members, which necessarily includes myself and them.

I am hopeful that all this learning will occur, and that Jake will return. We will wait and see. As I said earlier, I have told the moderators that I will step back and allow them to decide, without me, what action, if any, should be taken about anything at all. They will confirm that I very rarely influence their perceptions, views or decisions, and this is one of the reasons why the forum works so well.

A great Light Warrior knows how to make a stand and how to ask for forgivness, and he uses both skills in equal measure. Thank you Bill and thank you Bill's friend ~

[onawah]

I saw this on Facebook today, posted by a very enlightened friend:

SPIRITUALITY PRETEST:

If you can live without caffeine or nicotine
If you can be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains
If you can resist complaining
If you can understand when loved ones are too busy to give you any time
If you can take criticism and blame without resentment
If you can ignore friends’ limited educations and never correct them
If you can treat the rich and poor alike
If you can face the world without lies or deceit
If you can conquer tension without medical help
If you can have no prejudice against creed, color, religion, gender, sexual preference, or politics…
…then you have almost reached the same level of spiritual development as your pet dog.

(author unknown)
www.creationspirit.net

I would add kitties to that equation.
Mine has been my best, most profound and loving teacher.

Avalon has been another wonderful teacher.
I think it's not who's right that matters in the long run, it's what we learn about ourselves and each other through the process of communicating that counts.

It will soon be the year 2013.
Imagine that!!

[Anchor]

That was nice to wake up and read.

I am quite happy to see the thread take the turn it has within the past day.

If anyone does not think that recent days have marked a change in energy and consciousness, then I recommend a review and rethink.

[noxon medem]

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This thread (And Forum) progress
in an amazing way .....

But
Some of the developement seems
based on an uncertain premise ...

Have Jake resigned his AF account ?
- The short answer is No, not by now.

Here a screenimage from recently :

Captured today, local time
(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post604664)

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And then some more fun:


That man looks like Tony to me, and
ay Kid - with a Bucked full of Surprise !
Do not get too comfy, or stale, in your ..
( Chair ..).

- Please , take care of eachother .

One last image association, for now :


( - Carefull , Glass .. )

Cheers and be well, All .



nm

[RunningDeer]

Posted by noxon medem (here)
Have Jake resigned his AF account ?
- The short answer is No, not by now.
Be well, and take care of each other .

One last image association, for now :
- Careful , Glass ..

Cheers and be well, All .



nm

Hello noxon medem,

It's says that Jake is an active member because Paul has left the door open for him. In the meantime, I did follow your first picture to his "Happy New Year" thread. I noticed there were two web addresses in his signature box. I've left messages on both of them.

And funny thing, I saw Paul's cow, had already come and gone. Which to me, serves as another example of how much love there is here. Sniff.

[christian]

What a tussle! I think this is at the heart of human evolution and the awakening, how do we actually deal with each other, right here, on a day to day and moment to moment basis. So we have a good test case here again, may we figure it out in a somewhat detached way. I mean, we are all operating through our limited human body-mind-computer, through which only a fraction of our true consciousness seems to peak through at any given time still. I want to acknowledge that in general virtually everyone here has got the intention to be of service and that it's mostly the inner demons that each of us struggle with that prompt us to engage in those kind of infighting. Given all that, I wanna share my own limited perspective on this whole issue without meaning to offend anyone. I wanna be blunt and impartial, without judgement, just conveying my impressions from my heart to yours, it's all just about helping each other to figure things out. Making the roots of the conflicts conscious instead of bashing a perceived cause that may or may not be real.

Jake, you know I've read good parts of your book, I find you very interesting and find it odd, to say the least, that you left over Kathie's comment that you don't know others (i.e. Tony) and that you are judgemental. Whether or not this is true, I mean if I would have left any situation where I felt offended by things, I wouldn't have gotten much done. My hunch is that there is more that prompted you to leave... There are always things that might offend you, even things good friends do, but I find being tolerant and compassionate and being appreciative of the fact that we all are fallible will help us all much more than being resentful. Plus I'd have thought that you made some really good connections on the forum, so I don't quite get why you would leave all those because of a perceived inappropriate comment. As you can see, your presence here is much appreciated. It's impossible to always agree with everyone here, the challenge really is to get along nevertheless somehow, lead by example. How can humanity stop being thrown back by unnecessary disputes? Let's lead by example. I find it good that there are many different voices here gathered with the overall intent to sail together through rough waters.

Tony, you write a lot of threads about spiritual topics. It seems to me like you're repeating a basic point over and over again, and that is, don't get caught in analyzing the hieroglyphics of a snowman, and don't try to actively do something but just be aware... Now it seems somewhat contradictive to me that you put so much effort into rewording and dissecting your ideas and actively publishing it all on the forum. Are you thus not actively trying to make a difference?

When it comes to Tony and Kathie acting as a "tag-team", I guess there are quite some friendships on the forum and quite some occasions where people side with others. That's just natural. Now Tony and Kathie even live together, I guess it's still perfectly fine if they converse with each other on the forum, that's what it's there for, it would only be a bugger if they would intentionally pretend to have a conversation when it would all be scripted.

Getting more abstract again, I guess you all saw it at one place or another, where people don't talk bluntly yet gently about little things which each other, but instead allow resentment within themselves to build up to the point where people throw things at each other violently or act in a similarly aggressive way, even if it is just passive-aggressive. I think all we can do is become aware of this pattern, stop it, pluck out its root and look each other in the eye with love, compassion and forbearance and realize, that each one has to come to an understanding on his own eventually, but we can always reach out and lend a helping hand, it's up to the other if it's being taken or not. Let's try to tackle issues while they are small and let's appreciate, that this is still quite difficult, so don't be that harsh with one another.

Having someone throw words at you that seem offending can of course be troublesome. But it's hard to draw a line there; what is meant to hurt, what is just the clumsiness of someone who's hurt himself and what is only perceived hostility? I think in general it should be encouraged to share one's genuine feelings, so they can be observed, appreciated, understood and released out in the open without judgement, so that we can make it all conscious and evolve consciously. This is what respect also means, allowing others to get things off of their chest while keeping one's own triggers under control. This is how you can express true love and thus teach others true love. It's again reaching out a hand, you cannot make the other take it, but you can always reach out. This is an essential part of Avalon in my eyes, members equipping readers and each other to become more efficient facilitators of genuine uplifting change. And as with proper tutorship, this is not about filling a vessel, but reminding others of the burning fire for love, inquisitiveness, courage, greatness and compassion in their own hearts.

Now this is all a rather vague rambling here, but I think this issue is not very clear-cut as well. So what can we do? Cool down and be gentle with each other, for everyone is fighting a hard battle, to quote Plato. And here, "the four commandments" by Don Miguel Ruiz, kind of fits, I find:

1. Be Impeccable with your Word
Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the Word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your Word in the direction of truth and love.

2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

3. Don’t Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by noxon medem (here)
Have Jake resigned his AF account ?
- The short answer is No, not by now.

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
It's says that Jake is an active member because Paul has left the door open for him.

WhiteCrowBlackDeer is correct. The last word we had from Jake was in the PM to me, asking to close his account. I closed his account, and then a day later I reopened it, in order to leave the door open for him. Jake did not request that I reopen it, and so far as I know, does not yet know that it is reopened.

[Kindling]

Noxon, I absolutely adore that duck in the wine glass!

[Bill Ryan]

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Posted by Anchor (here)
If anyone does not think that recent days have marked a change in energy and consciousness, then I recommend a review and rethink.

With respect (and I really do mean that) -- that was not my personal experience. I and another very close friend had a really dreadful day yesterday -- one which I would not want to repeat too frequently.

It's entirely possible that energies are increasing -- whatever that means! But like the wind picking up on a stormy sea, some ships may be propelled faster if their crew is adept and the sails are set well -- while others threaten to capsize, or even founder completely. I don't see any evidence that there'll be an easy ride in the years ahead. In my opinion, we're nowhere near out of the woods yet, and to believe otherwise may be to walk straight into another well-designed trap.

There is reason for hope and opportunity (as I've said and written many times, I and many, many others wouldn't have come to this planet this lifetime if the game was terminally rigged) -- but the outcome is not certain, and it's a very long haul.

There is most certainly a gradually increasing rise of consciousness on the planet, but it doesn't step-change in one day. As I've also said many times, it'll take several generations to clear up the enormous mess that this planet is in, practically on the brink if not pretty much hanging over the edge.

I do believe it's recoverable... but only just. (Note that eminent ecologists like James Lovelock have stated that they disagree, and that they believe is simply too late.)

This is why I am so passionate about facing reality: we do not have the luxury of doing anything else. And it take a very great deal of courage and honesty to do that.